For me it's not about not liking Waleed, it's more about the Project is a shit show lol.

-PB

It was and still is a crap show. I dont get why people get so bothered by it , if you dont like it dont watch.

I never watch the show either but people get bothered by it as Waleed's opinion gets decent media penetration beyond the show and they think he's getting a free ride because he's a brown muslim man. Hardly ever do I see these people try and rebut his opinion but instead focus on that. It's really all quite pathetic.

Ding ding ding we have a winner. He's on a safe bet too, because if anybody dares to criticise him he knows the Left will rush to defend him and dismiss anybody's reasonable disapproval as racism or Islamophobia. It's as stupid as somebody suggesting that disliking Milo Yiannopoulos makes you a homophobe with little regard for anything beyond that.

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All your (and 11.mvfc.11's until he was challenged to come up with something else) posts in this thread have been this exact argument. It's pissweak and for that I guess I am a winner. Now I'm going to leave you to your "can't criticise Waleed circlejerk" because frankly it aint worth my time, have fun.

Look, I think Waleed is a smart guy and an articulate one as well. I think he should go into politics and I imagine he'd have a reasonable future as a candidate for The Greens. My issue (besides the one I've mentioned) is that there are people who actually hold him up as some sort of fair and balanced voice of reason (which is complete bullshit), not to mention his deliberate vagueness or complete absence from The Project when another Islamic terrorist attack occurs.

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You must have interesting definitions for "deliberate vagueness" and "complete absence".

He's absolutely unequivocal.

Oh wait. It's much more fun to think all Muslims want to blow you up.

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I agree he has biases but there are people who hold Bolt up as fair and balanced too. People tend to think they're smack bang in the centre when they really aren't so anyone who agrees with their views would look fair and balanced to them.

I don't really see it as something to get worked up about.

I'm pretty right wing but even I can't stomach at least 75% of what Bolt comes up with. There is no way in hell he is central in his opinions, he's pure right wing.

It's unfortunate, he can be articulate (5-10% of the time) and he can make good points but some of the nonsense he comes up with (now on Sky News) is out of control.

I think Waleed is quite smug and thinks he teflon to anything...even being the butt of all jokes.

Absolutely. I'm not sure to what extent Waleed agrees with the Australian Labor [sic] Party or the Greens. But I'd imagine the two would cover a large amount of his opinions. If that's incorrect, I'm sorry for misrepresenting Waleed's opinion.

What I'm saying is that I disagree with a lot (but not all) of what the ALP and the Greens promote (or have promoted) in recent times. As such, that would probably put me at odds with a lot of Waleed's opinions.

But I still have a lot of respect for the guy. And I certainly think that with respect to things like the community responses to terrorist atrocities, he is bang on.

I generally enjoy reading his work. He's articulate and presents himself well. His views challenge the reader and I like and respect that whether or not I agree with it.

However to say anyone who disagrees with him is racist is fucking nonsense.

Having people called racists for disagreeing with an opinion is akin to the very opinions propagated by Waleed himself that we need to above such ridiculous ideas.

Not just anyone who disagrees with him. However the vitriol directed towards Waleed, which isn't usually directed towards say Pickering, suggests that there might be racist and/or bigoted overtones on the part of some who disagree with him (but not all).

Check yo' d1ck for diseases after you're done plunging it up MuscRat's bunghole ay :lol: :lol:

SIEG HEIL :lol:

I've never found myself disagreeing w/the guy on anything per se, but I'm no fan of his either. Mainly due to the fact that as a media-whore, millennial-hipster larvae flock to his opinion before that of someone more qualified than him.

I saw that segment when it came out. Basically "Don't criticise these people or else they'll just make it worse!" Fact is, ISIS could think up any reason to recruit people. The idea that a bunch of people on the internet talking shit is going to change that is ludicrous.

I agree with BETHFC on Bolt- he's obviously biased to anybody that isn't a hard-core right winger. Yet even he (recently) praised Charlie Pickering after appearing as a guest on his show, saying it was again proof that you can have a dialogue and get on fine with people even if you disagree with a lot of their ideologies.

I think the basic point is that (as other people have pointed out) Charlie seems to take himself a little less seriously, whereas Waleed, while eloquent and often reasonable enough, can have the attitude that he's beyond reproach. I don't dislike the guy myself, even if I disagree with his slant on a lot of things.

I've put in italics the weak part of what you're saying.

Can you substantiate?

Why do people want to join extremists? Sometimes because they're psychopaths. To this extent, there are people who would join ISIS and you're right about that.

But we're not talking about a huge proportion of people. We're talking about such a small minority who can do only rather limited damage (touch wood).

Who else joins (or is indoctrinated) by extremists? The weak, vulnerable and marginalised. They mightn't be bad people initially. But they can be cajoled into doing terrible things because their lives have been made so shit by the rest of society.

These terrorist attacks split society. Most people are too thick to be able to understand different shades of grey. Understanding how to manipulate fear and division (although usually on non-terrorist issues) is how Sir Lynton Crosby has made a ton of money in Australia and the UK electioneering. He is alive to this and convinced people like John Howard and David Cameron to use fear and wedge politics to win elections. Well, what do you know, Howard was in government for a long time and Cameron won the general election by a country mile.

ISIS also play on fear and division. They exploit basic human psychology. They want people like you to hate Muslims, en masse. They want Muslims to be marginalised on social, cultural, political and institutional levels. This will drive moderates who are marginalised to be primed for indoctrination to extremism.

If only people weren't so stupid as not to realise it. But maybe people just like to hate.

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