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inala brah wrote:adrtho wrote:Club Elo for Aussie player in Europe
1817 Mark Schwarzer Leicester City
1809 Robbie Kruse Bayer Leverkusen
1806 Brad Smith Liverpool
1765 Mat Ryan Valencia CF
1662 Bernie Ibini-Isei Club Brugge
1639 Mile Jedinak Crystal Palace
1633 Curtis Good Newcastle United
1625 Adam Federici AFC Bournemouth
1606 Mathew Leckie FC Ingolstadt
1602 Mitchell Langerak VfB Stuttgart
1583 Luke Wilkshire Terek Grozny
1557 Tomi Juric FC Luzern
1554 Alex Gersbach Rosenberg
1538 Brad Jones Feyenoord
1522 Terry Antonis PAOK
1522 Tom Rogic Celtic FC
1511 Awer Mabil FC Midtjylland
1511 Jordan Lyden Aston Villa
1502 Massimo Luongo QPR
1489 Jimmy Jeggo SK Sturm Graz
1471 Ben Halloran FC Heidenheim
1468 Aziz Behich Bursaspor
1459 Neil Kilkenny Preston North End
1459 Bailey Wright Preston North End
1437 Anthony Carter CFR Cluj
1429 Jason Davidson Huddersfield Town
1429 Aaron Mooy Huddersfield Town (loan Manchester City) 1854
1428 Cameron Burgess Fulham
1421 Milos Degenek TSV 1860 Munich
1403 James Holland MSV Duisburg
1401 Anthony Kalik HNK Hajduk Split
1393 Nikita Rukavytsya Maccabi Haifa
1390 Christopher Ikonomidis Lazio (loan Lazio) 1684
1352 Aaron Lennox Aberdeen FC
1344 Daniel De Silva Roda FC
1341 Kerem Bulut Iraklis 1908 FC
1334 Tomislav Mrcela NK Lokomotiva Zagreb
1334 Mustafa Amini AGF Aarhus
1333 Craig Goodwin Sparta Rotterdam
1333 Adam Sarota Go Ahead Eagles
1333 Kenny Dougall Sparta Rotterdam
1330 Josh Brillante Como (loan Fiorentina) 1702
1330 James Meredith Bradford City
1318 Brent McGrath Esbjerg
1315 Andy Rose Coventry City
1290 Bradden Inman Peterborough
1255 Aaron Downes Chesterfield
1252 Scott McDonald Motherwell
1251 Jesse Curran Dundee
1248 Jackson Irvine Ross County
1245 James Wesolowski Shrewsbury Town
1242 Ryan Edwards Partick Thistle
1219 David Williams Szombathelyi Halladas
just shows how flawed the elo is sure....would you like to place in order , the strength of the clubs Aussie players are playing at it? i would love to have your opinion Edited by adrtho: 10/7/2016 09:59:05 PM
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tsf wrote:Look at the clubs Rogic gets in pre season, some criticise Scottish football here, sometimes fairly but much of it misguided and uninformed. When you play for a club like Celtic, these are the sorts of teams you can attract or become involved in, which means more experience and more eyes on you. pre-season? you mean like MVFC playing Juventus and Atlético Madrid pre-season
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Giannou scored a goal
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Did Rogic come on as a sub? If he played 90 minutes, he looked full of running at the end of the game.=d>
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adrtho wrote:Club Elo for Aussie player in Europe
1817 Mark Schwarzer Leicester City
1809 Robbie Kruse Bayer Leverkusen
1806 Brad Smith Liverpool
1765 Mat Ryan Valencia CF
1662 Bernie Ibini-Isei Club Brugge
1639 Mile Jedinak Crystal Palace
1633 Curtis Good Newcastle United
1625 Adam Federici AFC Bournemouth
1606 Mathew Leckie FC Ingolstadt
1602 Mitchell Langerak VfB Stuttgart
1583 Luke Wilkshire Terek Grozny
1557 Tomi Juric FC Luzern
1554 Alex Gersbach Rosenberg
1538 Brad Jones Feyenoord
1522 Terry Antonis PAOK
1522 Tom Rogic Celtic FC
1511 Awer Mabil FC Midtjylland
1511 Jordan Lyden Aston Villa
1502 Massimo Luongo QPR
1489 Jimmy Jeggo SK Sturm Graz
1471 Ben Halloran FC Heidenheim
1468 Aziz Behich Bursaspor
1459 Neil Kilkenny Preston North End
1459 Bailey Wright Preston North End
1437 Anthony Carter CFR Cluj
1429 Jason Davidson Huddersfield Town
1429 Aaron Mooy Huddersfield Town (loan Manchester City) 1854
1428 Cameron Burgess Fulham
1421 Milos Degenek TSV 1860 Munich
1403 James Holland MSV Duisburg
1401 Anthony Kalik HNK Hajduk Split
1393 Nikita Rukavytsya Maccabi Haifa
1390 Christopher Ikonomidis Lazio (loan Lazio) 1684
1352 Aaron Lennox Aberdeen FC
1344 Daniel De Silva Roda FC
1341 Kerem Bulut Iraklis 1908 FC
1334 Tomislav Mrcela NK Lokomotiva Zagreb
1334 Mustafa Amini AGF Aarhus
1333 Craig Goodwin Sparta Rotterdam
1333 Adam Sarota Go Ahead Eagles
1333 Kenny Dougall Sparta Rotterdam
1330 Josh Brillante Como (loan Fiorentina) 1702
1330 James Meredith Bradford City
1318 Brent McGrath Esbjerg
1315 Andy Rose Coventry City
1290 Bradden Inman Peterborough
1255 Aaron Downes Chesterfield
1252 Scott McDonald Motherwell
1251 Jesse Curran Dundee
1248 Jackson Irvine Ross County
1245 James Wesolowski Shrewsbury Town
1242 Ryan Edwards Partick Thistle
1219 David Williams Szombathelyi Halladas
Interesting to read the ELO. In terms of recent Socceroo performances, they don't correlate much. Edited by Decentric: 10/7/2016 11:22:20 PM
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adrtho wrote:Giannou scored a goal Good. The rest of his skill set looked just what we need when he played the only Socceroo game I saw him play in a qualifier against an opponent I cannot remember. If he was speaking earnestly, he seemed a little in awe of the Socceroos and calibre of football the team played.
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playmaker11 wrote:Full matches and wins for Burns and Mrcela.
Sainsbury starts All good.
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Decentric wrote:Did Rogic come on as a sub? If he played 90 minutes, he looked full of running at the end of the game.=d> Read on a Celtic forum that he looked by far their fittest player on the pitch. I was concerned (like yourself I believe) that he didn't have the engine to play top flight footy. Nice early signs for the season ahead.
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adrtho wrote:tsf wrote:Look at the clubs Rogic gets in pre season, some criticise Scottish football here, sometimes fairly but much of it misguided and uninformed. When you play for a club like Celtic, these are the sorts of teams you can attract or become involved in, which means more experience and more eyes on you. pre-season? you mean like MVFC playing Juventus and Atlético Madrid pre-season MV is better than half of the clubs you listed in just about any measure, but rating Lazio below FC Luzern, PAOK, Midtjylland, CFR Cluj and Maccabi Haifa... :lol:
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Decentric wrote:Interesting to read the ELO.
In terms of recent Socceroo performances, they don't correlate much. Is that so? Would you be able to expand on this, Decentric? Edited by paladisious: 11/7/2016 12:08:13 AM
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SK Sturm Graz - TSV 1860 München https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clt_E_UO07EJeggo & Degenek are both starting Edited by adrtho: 11/7/2016 01:00:47 AM
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paladisious wrote:adrtho wrote:tsf wrote:Look at the clubs Rogic gets in pre season, some criticise Scottish football here, sometimes fairly but much of it misguided and uninformed. When you play for a club like Celtic, these are the sorts of teams you can attract or become involved in, which means more experience and more eyes on you. pre-season? you mean like MVFC playing Juventus and Atlético Madrid pre-season MV is better than half of the clubs you listed in just about any measure, but rating Lazio below FC Luzern, PAOK, Midtjylland, CFR Cluj and Maccabi Haifa... :lol: i fix it, it should have been Salernitana, Lazio is 1684 Edited by adrtho: 11/7/2016 01:23:04 AM
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neverwozza wrote:Decentric wrote:Did Rogic come on as a sub? If he played 90 minutes, he looked full of running at the end of the game.=d> Read on a Celtic forum that he looked by far their fittest player on the pitch. I was concerned (like yourself I believe) that he didn't have the engine to play top flight footy. Nice early signs for the season ahead. He came on about the 60th minute mark. The whole team was changed i think.
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Decentric wrote:adrtho wrote:Giannou scored a goal Good. The rest of his skill set looked just what we need when he played the only Socceroo game I saw him play in a qualifier against an opponent I cannot remember. If he was speaking earnestly, he seemed a little in awe of the Socceroos and calibre of football the team played. https://youtu.be/KamF8OSyljMHere is the goal with Arabic commentary curiously and with Aussie Turk international Ersan Gulum at the back for the opposition. That's Apostolos third in 5 matches i think.
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Jeggo almost scores a cracker at 14:30
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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Giannou is having a good run. 7 weeks until Iraq game. Hopefully it continues until then.
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adrtho wrote:inala brah wrote:adrtho wrote:Club Elo for Aussie player in Europe
1817 Mark Schwarzer Leicester City
1809 Robbie Kruse Bayer Leverkusen
1806 Brad Smith Liverpool
1765 Mat Ryan Valencia CF
1662 Bernie Ibini-Isei Club Brugge
1639 Mile Jedinak Crystal Palace
1633 Curtis Good Newcastle United
1625 Adam Federici AFC Bournemouth
1606 Mathew Leckie FC Ingolstadt
1602 Mitchell Langerak VfB Stuttgart
1583 Luke Wilkshire Terek Grozny
1557 Tomi Juric FC Luzern
1554 Alex Gersbach Rosenberg
1538 Brad Jones Feyenoord
1522 Terry Antonis PAOK
1522 Tom Rogic Celtic FC
1511 Awer Mabil FC Midtjylland
1511 Jordan Lyden Aston Villa
1502 Massimo Luongo QPR
1489 Jimmy Jeggo SK Sturm Graz
1471 Ben Halloran FC Heidenheim
1468 Aziz Behich Bursaspor
1459 Neil Kilkenny Preston North End
1459 Bailey Wright Preston North End
1437 Anthony Carter CFR Cluj
1429 Jason Davidson Huddersfield Town
1429 Aaron Mooy Huddersfield Town (loan Manchester City) 1854
1428 Cameron Burgess Fulham
1421 Milos Degenek TSV 1860 Munich
1403 James Holland MSV Duisburg
1401 Anthony Kalik HNK Hajduk Split
1393 Nikita Rukavytsya Maccabi Haifa
1390 Christopher Ikonomidis Lazio (loan Lazio) 1684
1352 Aaron Lennox Aberdeen FC
1344 Daniel De Silva Roda FC
1341 Kerem Bulut Iraklis 1908 FC
1334 Tomislav Mrcela NK Lokomotiva Zagreb
1334 Mustafa Amini AGF Aarhus
1333 Craig Goodwin Sparta Rotterdam
1333 Adam Sarota Go Ahead Eagles
1333 Kenny Dougall Sparta Rotterdam
1330 Josh Brillante Como (loan Fiorentina) 1702
1330 James Meredith Bradford City
1318 Brent McGrath Esbjerg
1315 Andy Rose Coventry City
1290 Bradden Inman Peterborough
1255 Aaron Downes Chesterfield
1252 Scott McDonald Motherwell
1251 Jesse Curran Dundee
1248 Jackson Irvine Ross County
1245 James Wesolowski Shrewsbury Town
1242 Ryan Edwards Partick Thistle
1219 David Williams Szombathelyi Halladas
just shows how flawed the elo is sure....would you like to place in order , the strength of the clubs Aussie players are playing at it? i would love to have your opinion Edited by adrtho: 10/7/2016 09:59:05 PM it's not too bad really. the ones that pop out to me would be newcastle and valencia being too high up the list. also aberdeen would probably thump a few of the teams above them luzern is interesting. good to see how they go this year in the UCL. Edited by inala brah: 11/7/2016 05:48:20 AM
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Is Curtis Good still broken?
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Gersbach was an unused sub in RBK's 5-2 victory against Sarpsborg.
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eldorado wrote:Is Curtis Good still broken? Curtis NoGood :cool:
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neverwozza wrote:Decentric wrote:Did Rogic come on as a sub? If he played 90 minutes, he looked full of running at the end of the game.=d> Read on a Celtic forum that he looked by far their fittest player on the pitch. I was concerned (like yourself I believe) that he didn't have the engine to play top flight footy. Nice early signs for the season ahead. Ta. When I looked up the team they played, they are a Slovenian team. Probably not too much to be excited about as it was only a friendly. Nevertheless, Rogic seems to be one Euroroo in a very good club scenario. From a coaching clinic I attended with Melb Victory coaching staff, Muscy said that Brendan Rodgers, coached in a very similar way to himself and Ange. I was worried about Deila leaving, but Rodgers is even better. Muscy spent a lot of time with Rodgers at Liverpool, De Boer or Koeman, at Ajax and at Barca in last year's off season. I was very taken with Muscy's MV training ground sessions.
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http://www.htafc.com/news/article/2016-17/huddersfield-town-accrington-stanley-friendly-pre-season-3177762.aspxMooy played 2nd half in a preseason match yesterday for huddersfield, with huddersfield beating league two accrington stanley 4-1. I mean its a league two team but according to this article mooy's debut was impressive, really looking forward to see how he progresses this season. Edited by Dillhole: 11/7/2016 01:51:11 PM
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Dillhole wrote:http://www.htafc.com/news/article/2016-17/huddersfield-town-accrington-stanley-friendly-pre-season-3177762.aspx
Mooy played 2nd half in a preseason match yesterday for huddersfield, with huddersfield beating league two accrington stanley 4-1.
I mean its a league two team but according to this article mooy's debut was impressive, really looking forward to see how he progresses this season.
Edited by Dillhole: 11/7/2016 01:51:11 PM He raised eyebrows amongst England fans in the friendly all asking about him. He'll have some blinders and a quiet few games aswell. Hopefully he does really well against the league's best teams.
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looks like it was 1-0 first half, then mooy came on in the second half and it finished at 4-1... seems like he impressed.
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a lot of huddersfield forumites are critical of davidson's positional sense which is the weakest part of his game
in england your positional sense is probably one of the most important attributes
none of the new generation have strong positional awareness so england is going to be a tough league for young aussies
mooy isn't great in this regard either so hopefully the ecl fans will see his other attributes
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grazorblade wrote:a lot of huddersfield forumites are critical of davidson's positional sense which is the weakest part of his game
in england your positional sense is probably one of the most important attributes
none of the new generation have strong positional awareness so england is going to be a tough league for young aussies
mooy isn't great in this regard either so hopefully the ecl fans will see his other attributes I reckon you're being a bit harsh on Mooy there, he doesn't have the best physical attributes, so I reckon he's been focusing and been successful due to his positioning, and his awareness around the ball, however he can improve this even more experiencing higher intensity, But on the contrary for Davo, all last season looked lost when defending. definitely needs improvement in that regard.
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Decentric wrote:neverwozza wrote:Decentric wrote:Did Rogic come on as a sub? If he played 90 minutes, he looked full of running at the end of the game.=d> Read on a Celtic forum that he looked by far their fittest player on the pitch. I was concerned (like yourself I believe) that he didn't have the engine to play top flight footy. Nice early signs for the season ahead. Ta. When I looked up the team they played, they are a Slovenian team. Probably not too much to be excited about as it was only a friendly. Nevertheless, Rogic seems to be one Euroroo in a very good club scenario. From a coaching clinic I attended with Melb Victory coaching staff, Muscy said that Brendan Rodgers, coached in a very similar way to himself and Ange. I was worried about Deila leaving, but Rodgers is even better. Muscy spent a lot of time with Rodgers at Liverpool, De Boer or Koeman, at Ajax and at Barca in last year's off season. I was very taken with Muscy's MV training ground sessions. Rogic only played the final half hour of the Friendly against Maribor. It is going to be interesting to see who Rodgers lines up in the team for his first "competitive" match in the Champions League qualifier mid week.
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Ds98 wrote:grazorblade wrote:a lot of huddersfield forumites are critical of davidson's positional sense which is the weakest part of his game
in england your positional sense is probably one of the most important attributes
none of the new generation have strong positional awareness so england is going to be a tough league for young aussies
mooy isn't great in this regard either so hopefully the ecl fans will see his other attributes I reckon you're being a bit harsh on Mooy there, he doesn't have the best physical attributes, so I reckon he's been focusing and been successful due to his positioning, and his awareness around the ball, however he can improve this even more experiencing higher intensity, But on the contrary for Davo, all last season looked lost when defending. definitely needs improvement in that regard. Mooy actually makes a lot of tackles and intercepts a game and doesn't seem to have a bad engine although probably not as big an engine as the typical ecl player but I remember the grand final between roar and wsw when la rocca went off and mooy had to play in his position. He had trouble keeping a straight vertical line between him and the cb behind him and also keep a straight horizontal line making up the block of 8 like la rocca did which opened up passing lanes and the rest is history. Thats despite him being good with tackles and intercepts. If a team plays a high press where perfect structure isn't key to your teams tactics mooy is fantastic because he will win turnovers, find pockets of space, join in the build up as well as create something in tight spaces (and is a great set piece taker) But if his team is relying on his positional play then he will be shown up because he doesn't suit those tactics
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