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grazorblade wrote:Ds98 wrote:grazorblade wrote:a lot of huddersfield forumites are critical of davidson's positional sense which is the weakest part of his game
in england your positional sense is probably one of the most important attributes none of the new generation have strong positional awareness so england is going to be a tough league for young aussies
mooy isn't great in this regard either so hopefully the ecl fans will see his other attributes I reckon you're being a bit harsh on Mooy there, he doesn't have the best physical attributes, so I reckon he's been focusing and been successful due to his positioning, and his awareness around the ball, however he can improve this even more experiencing higher intensity, But on the contrary for Davo, all last season looked lost when defending. definitely needs improvement in that regard. Mooy actually makes a lot of tackles and intercepts a game and doesn't seem to have a bad engine although probably not as big an engine as the typical ecl player but I remember the grand final between roar and wsw when la rocca went off and mooy had to play in his position. He had trouble keeping a straight vertical line between him and the cb behind him and also keep a straight horizontal line making up the block of 8 like la rocca did which opened up passing lanes and the rest is history. Thats despite him being good with tackles and intercepts. If a team plays a high press where perfect structure isn't key to your teams tactics mooy is fantastic because he will win turnovers, find pockets of space, join in the build up as well as create something in tight spaces (and is a great set piece taker) But if his team is relying on his positional play then he will be shown up because he doesn't suit those tactics :-k when you put it that way it makes a bit more sense. Just hope we haven't seen the best of him just yet.
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well there are probably some la liga players who would struggle in the ecl because of the skills mismatch. Lets hope mooy's team play a modern style
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Ds98
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grazorblade wrote:well there are probably some la liga players who would struggle in the ecl because of the skills mismatch. Lets hope mooy's team play a modern style Well, seeing as the coach was assistant or worked under Klopp for some time, we can assume they will. And judging by the calibre of player they've approached ( Chris Schindler record fee signing, Ivan Paurevic Serbian or Croatian under 21 rep, Kachunga from Ingolstadt) mixed in with the flare of Wells and Scannell, they can potentially push for a promotion play-off spot at the least.. their fans seem genuinely excited about the season. And its easy to see why.
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grazorblade wrote:well there are probably some la liga players who would struggle in the ecl because of the skills mismatch. Lets hope mooy's team play a modern style but yet, that those la liga team now smash the EPL teams it like a players golf swing, the swing looks shit, but it get 5 under par and wins it just talk, to make everyone feel like they know something about football
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adrtho
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Ds98 wrote:grazorblade wrote:well there are probably some la liga players who would struggle in the ecl because of the skills mismatch. Lets hope mooy's team play a modern style Well, seeing as the coach was assistant or worked under Klopp for some time, we can assume they will. And judging by the calibre of player they've approached ( Chris Schindler record fee signing, Ivan Paurevic Serbian or Croatian under 21 rep, Kachunga from Ingolstadt) mixed in with the flare of Wells and Scannell, they can potentially push for a promotion play-off spot at the least.. their fans seem genuinely excited about the season. And its easy to see why. Kachunga on loan from Ingolstadt because he counldn't get a game Chris Schindler was playing next to Degenek at 1860 munchen last year for a bottom 2 bundesliga Ivan Paurevic played 169 minutes at fortuna, the year Robbie Kruse was fortuna star player...that was Paurevic high i don't see it
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adrtho wrote:grazorblade wrote:well there are probably some la liga players who would struggle in the ecl because of the skills mismatch. Lets hope mooy's team play a modern style but yet, that those la liga team now smash the EPL teams it like a players golf swing, the swing looks shit, but it get 5 under par and wins it just talk, to make everyone feel like they know something about football yeah so an aussie might go to the ecl and be deemed not good enough but if they go to an equally strong league on the continent and do well
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adrtho wrote:Ds98 wrote:grazorblade wrote:well there are probably some la liga players who would struggle in the ecl because of the skills mismatch. Lets hope mooy's team play a modern style Well, seeing as the coach was assistant or worked under Klopp for some time, we can assume they will. And judging by the calibre of player they've approached ( Chris Schindler record fee signing, Ivan Paurevic Serbian or Croatian under 21 rep, Kachunga from Ingolstadt) mixed in with the flare of Wells and Scannell, they can potentially push for a promotion play-off spot at the least.. their fans seem genuinely excited about the season. And its easy to see why. Kachunga on loan from Ingolstadt because he counldn't get a game Chris Schindler was playing next to Degenek at 1860 munchen last year for a bottom 2 bundesliga Ivan Paurevic played 169 minutes at fortuna, the year Robbie Kruse was fortuna star player...that was Paurevic high i don't see it you may be right There are arguably some stronger a league teams on paper http://soccerwiki.com/squad.php?clubid=36they could make some signings yet and kachunga should be strong at this level
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Ds98
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adrtho wrote:Ds98 wrote:grazorblade wrote:well there are probably some la liga players who would struggle in the ecl because of the skills mismatch. Lets hope mooy's team play a modern style Well, seeing as the coach was assistant or worked under Klopp for some time, we can assume they will. And judging by the calibre of player they've approached ( Chris Schindler record fee signing, Ivan Paurevic Serbian or Croatian under 21 rep, Kachunga from Ingolstadt) mixed in with the flare of Wells and Scannell, they can potentially push for a promotion play-off spot at the least.. their fans seem genuinely excited about the season. And its easy to see why. Kachunga on loan from Ingolstadt because he counldn't get a game Chris Schindler was playing next to Degenek at 1860 munchen last year for a bottom 2 bundesliga Ivan Paurevic played 169 minutes at fortuna, the year Robbie Kruse was fortuna star player...that was Paurevic high i don't see it Things change Adrtho, Ivan Paurevic is a quality player, Kachunga a quality player on his day, Schindler a very good Centre-back, Aaron Mooy arguably Australia's best talent atm, Jack Payne, a rising star from League One, Jon Gorenc Stankovic, player who was managed by Wagner at Dortmund, and a few other exciting others, re wind back to last season, Jason Davidson, player who didn't play all the previous season, Emyr Huws a welsh man with a name who I still cannot pronounce who was half decent... See it now??... probably not...
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grazorblade wrote:adrtho wrote:grazorblade wrote:well there are probably some la liga players who would struggle in the ecl because of the skills mismatch. Lets hope mooy's team play a modern style but yet, that those la liga team now smash the EPL teams it like a players golf swing, the swing looks shit, but it get 5 under par and wins it just talk, to make everyone feel like they know something about football yeah so an aussie might go to the ecl and be deemed not good enough but if they go to an equally strong league on the continent and do well if continent team beat the EPL, it because the continent players are better
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adrtho
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Ds98 wrote:adrtho wrote:Ds98 wrote:grazorblade wrote:well there are probably some la liga players who would struggle in the ecl because of the skills mismatch. Lets hope mooy's team play a modern style Well, seeing as the coach was assistant or worked under Klopp for some time, we can assume they will. And judging by the calibre of player they've approached ( Chris Schindler record fee signing, Ivan Paurevic Serbian or Croatian under 21 rep, Kachunga from Ingolstadt) mixed in with the flare of Wells and Scannell, they can potentially push for a promotion play-off spot at the least.. their fans seem genuinely excited about the season. And its easy to see why. Kachunga on loan from Ingolstadt because he counldn't get a game Chris Schindler was playing next to Degenek at 1860 munchen last year for a bottom 2 bundesliga Ivan Paurevic played 169 minutes at fortuna, the year Robbie Kruse was fortuna star player...that was Paurevic high i don't see it Things change Adrtho, Ivan Paurevic is a quality player, Kachunga a quality player on his day, Schindler a very good Centre-back, Aaron Mooy arguably Australia's best talent atm, Jack Payne, a rising star from League One, Jon Gorenc Stankovic, player who was managed by Wagner at Dortmund, and a few other exciting others, re wind back to last season, Jason Davidson, player who didn't play all the previous season, Emyr Huws a welsh man with a name who I still cannot pronounce who was half decent... See it now??... probably not... thing do change, and thing do stay the same... knowing when things change is the art or the science
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adrtho wrote:grazorblade wrote:adrtho wrote:grazorblade wrote:well there are probably some la liga players who would struggle in the ecl because of the skills mismatch. Lets hope mooy's team play a modern style but yet, that those la liga team now smash the EPL teams it like a players golf swing, the swing looks shit, but it get 5 under par and wins it just talk, to make everyone feel like they know something about football yeah so an aussie might go to the ecl and be deemed not good enough but if they go to an equally strong league on the continent and do well if continent team beat the EPL, it because the continent players are better I know I'm just saying that ecl is tougher for modern aussie players because of the skills mismatch
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adrtho wrote:grazorblade wrote:adrtho wrote:grazorblade wrote:well there are probably some la liga players who would struggle in the ecl because of the skills mismatch. Lets hope mooy's team play a modern style but yet, that those la liga team now smash the EPL teams it like a players golf swing, the swing looks shit, but it get 5 under par and wins it just talk, to make everyone feel like they know something about football yeah so an aussie might go to the ecl and be deemed not good enough but if they go to an equally strong league on the continent and do well if continent team beat the EPL, it because the continent players are better there's much more to it than just who has the better players. otherwise leicester would never have won the epl. Edited by inala brah: 11/7/2016 08:38:17 PM
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inala brah wrote:adrtho wrote:grazorblade wrote:adrtho wrote:grazorblade wrote:well there are probably some la liga players who would struggle in the ecl because of the skills mismatch. Lets hope mooy's team play a modern style but yet, that those la liga team now smash the EPL teams it like a players golf swing, the swing looks shit, but it get 5 under par and wins it just talk, to make everyone feel like they know something about football yeah so an aussie might go to the ecl and be deemed not good enough but if they go to an equally strong league on the continent and do well if continent team beat the EPL, it because the continent players are better there's much more to it than just who has the better players. otherwise leicester would never have won the epl. Edited by inala brah: 11/7/2016 08:38:17 PM right...luck play a part , but when we are asking the Questions "is Leicester better then Arsenal" , then luck can still play it part because the team was close and it was only one year, but if you ask "is Leicester better then Swansea City" then luck is very unlikely to play a part style of play the best style of play is what wins the most games, and the players who can play that style of play are the best players (because they can win the most games)
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Ds98 wrote:grazorblade wrote:a lot of huddersfield forumites are critical of davidson's positional sense which is the weakest part of his game
in england your positional sense is probably one of the most important attributes none of the new generation have strong positional awareness so england is going to be a tough league for young aussies
mooy isn't great in this regard either so hopefully the ecl fans will see his other attributes I reckon you're being a bit harsh on Mooy there, he doesn't have the best physical attributes, so I reckon he's been focusing and been successful due to his positioning, and his awareness around the ball, however he can improve this even more experiencing higher intensity, But on the contrary for Davo, all last season looked lost when defending. definitely needs improvement in that regard. I wonder if his time in the eredivise did he play in a flat back 4 or maybe a 532? cause he really seems to struggle playing a flat line..
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Here we go again. Great work, tardtho. Ruining this thread again. This is not a comparing thread you twit.
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Callum Elder is with the first team in Austria for the pre-season.
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I cut out the more relevant parts for Smith, but the whole article is worth a read: Liverpool Echo wrote:[size=7]Loan offers pour in for Liverpool FC youngsters but Klopp in no rush to lose them[/size] 05:00, 11 JUL 2016 UPDATED 08:36, 11 JUL 2016 BY JAMES PEARCE
Reds boss has a dilemma when it comes to those on the fringes of his squad
Liverpool have been inundated with loan offers for their top young talent - but Jurgen Klopp intends to take his time before deciding what’s best for their development this season.
A host of Championship clubs have registered an interest in Brad Smith but the Australian left-back is unlikely to go anywhere until Liverpool have strengthened in that position. Ben Chilwell is the club’s top target but they have so far been unable to agree a fee with Leicester City having had a £7million bid rejected.
Klopp finds himself facing something of a dilemma when it comes to loan deals.
When he first arrived at Melwood last October he was shocked to discover the club had no fewer than 17 players out on loan. It was a situation completely alien to the former Borussia Dortmund boss, who insisted a club should nurture their own young talent rather than send them elsewhere.
“It is not normal to have players on loan in Germany, but in England it is,” he said. “I’m not sure it’s always best to give young players to other clubs. I think it’s a kind of pressure you don’t need at that age.
“Maybe we need to cool down the situation a little bit, hold on to these guys longer and let them play in our second team and develop as a team.”
However, in the months since Klopp has come to understand more fully why the Reds previously felt the need to send their youngsters far and wide.
Whereas he was used to Dortmund’s under-23s playing in the regionalised third tier of German football, the Under-21s Premier League doesn’t come close to bridging the gap between youth and senior football. The fixture list is sporadic and matches are often little more than glorified training exercises with little edge or intensity.
He wants to work with them on the training ground, assess where they are up to and leave them in no doubt about what’s required to be part of his long-term plans.
However, after the tour of the States there will be some big decisions to make. Liverpool’s absence from Europe this season means there will be less need to rotate and less game time for those on the fringes.
The situation is complicated by the scrapping of the emergency loan system in the Football League which means loans now have to be done on a window-to-window basis. With no more one-month loans or the ability to recall at a moment’s notice, parent clubs will have to think carefully about where their players are heading.
If a loan offer looks appealing Liverpool will send staff to check out a club’s facilities and examine training methods and playing style before giving the green light to it. It has to be the right fit.
Ultimately, it will come down to what Klopp believes is best for those looking to make the grade at Anfield.
Train at Melwood on a daily basis and make maybe half a dozen senior appearances all season or go elsewhere and get 30 games under your belt in the Championship or League One?
There will certainly be fewer loans sanctioned this summer but for some it will still be the right option in order to ensure they kick on.
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TheSelectFew wrote:Here we go again. Great work, tardtho. Ruining this thread again. This is not a comparing thread you twit. :-({|= Edited by adrtho: 12/7/2016 05:18:46 AM
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Check out @MCFClnfo's Tweet: https://twitter.com/MCFClnfo/status/752538054141837312?s=09Mooys assist in the behind closed doors friendly against Acrington Stanley. Typical Aaron assist.
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great find look like Mooy was playing a NPL side with all that spaces :p Edited by adrtho: 12/7/2016 09:08:21 AM
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adrtho wrote:great find look like Mooy was playing a NPL side with all that spaces :p Edited by adrtho: 12/7/2016 09:08:21 AM Geez you're an annoying twit. Is it possible to remove his 'world class' forum ranking to something like 'world class shit stirrer'?
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kaufusi wrote:adrtho wrote: great find look like Mooy was playing a NPL side with all that spaces :p
Edited by adrtho: 12/7/2016 09:08:21 AM
Geez you're an annoying twit. Is it possible to remove his 'world class' forum ranking to something like 'world class shit stirrer'? How many years have the streams of NPL games been available (to someone in Belarus for example) to watch? Genuine question
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Davide82 wrote:kaufusi wrote:adrtho wrote: great find look like Mooy was playing a NPL side with all that spaces :p
Edited by adrtho: 12/7/2016 09:08:21 AM
Geez you're an annoying twit. Is it possible to remove his 'world class' forum ranking to something like 'world class shit stirrer'? How many years have the streams of NPL games been available (to someone in Belarus for example) to watch? Genuine question Since day one. But they havent all been streamed. And not always live.
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Ardtho, do you have any connection to Australia? or Aussie football? Why is it your interest if you do live overseas? Genuine question
Edited by lebo_roo: 12/7/2016 01:07:27 PM
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TheSelectFew wrote:Davide82 wrote:kaufusi wrote:adrtho wrote: great find look like Mooy was playing a NPL side with all that spaces :p
Edited by adrtho: 12/7/2016 09:08:21 AM
Geez you're an annoying twit. Is it possible to remove his 'world class' forum ranking to something like 'world class shit stirrer'? How many years have the streams of NPL games been available (to someone in Belarus for example) to watch? Genuine question Since day one. But they havent all been streamed. And not always live. Cheers man
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Rogic's competitive season starts tomorrow 04:00am AEST, worth watching if only to see Lincoln Red Imp's home ground!
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paladisious wrote:Rogic's competitive season starts tomorrow 04:00am AEST, worth watching if only to see Lincoln Red Imp's home ground! I haven't looked at the tv guide but was hoping for bein sports tp broadcast it. Too early in the morning for some stream.
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lebo_roo wrote:paladisious wrote:Rogic's competitive season starts tomorrow 04:00am AEST, worth watching if only to see Lincoln Red Imp's home ground! I haven't looked at the tv guide but was hoping for bein sports tp broadcast it. Too early in the morning for some stream. Seems they're not :(
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I'm not sure that's even an assist is it? From what I can tell (from a poor angle) Aaron plays it to the central striker, who flicks it on to the guy who eventually scores.
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kaufusi wrote:adrtho wrote:great find look like Mooy was playing a NPL side with all that spaces :p Edited by adrtho: 12/7/2016 09:08:21 AM Geez you're an annoying twit. Is it possible to remove his 'world class' forum ranking to something like 'world class shit stirrer'? get fuck you cow, Geez, you're a grade a loser all i did was thank a poster for , posting a video link, and said the game look like NPL
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