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433 wrote:Obviously hadn't seen that.
Look, you can obfuscate all you want. But the vast, vast majority of media presents integration as a good thing.
You and Azza can construct all these false targets if you want, but innocents will continue to die while people like you ignore the problem. False targets. :roll:
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mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:Here in Sydney many terror attack already. Chinese guy was killed from my area.
Here we see what terror is real. I have my doubts as to whether you're genuinely a vietnamese person, but let's indulge. Were you around when Cabramatta was a hotbed of violence perpetrated by young viet gangs? If so, how did you feel to be put into the same basket as them? Have you been to Cabra mate? :lol: Or are you gonna tell him what it's like from Google maps . I've been there a few times and some of my Viet mates have grown up there. They weren't in the gangs but they thought it was tough growing up in that time, but you know they worked hard to get respect for their community on their part What's your point...were you a regular at John St? are you talking from experience or are you talking from your backside again Edited by Socawho: 15/7/2016 03:54:25 PM
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433 wrote:
Literally never seen anyone ever do this.
Mate - I was directly responding to the comments on this forum calling her a token selection. Flick back a couple of pages.
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AzzaMarch wrote:433 wrote:
Literally never seen anyone ever do this.
Mate - I was directly responding to the comments on this forum calling her a token selection. Flick back a couple of pages. Token selections still have to get elected though right?
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mcjules wrote:433 wrote:Obviously hadn't seen that.
Look, you can obfuscate all you want. But the vast, vast majority of media presents integration as a good thing.
You and Azza can construct all these false targets if you want, but innocents will continue to die while people like you ignore the problem. False targets. :roll: You attack people for criticizing integration, when in reality 99% of people would say "integration is generally a good thing". You're attacking a non-existent target.
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433 wrote:mcjules wrote:433 wrote:Obviously hadn't seen that.
Look, you can obfuscate all you want. But the vast, vast majority of media presents integration as a good thing.
You and Azza can construct all these false targets if you want, but innocents will continue to die while people like you ignore the problem. False targets. :roll: You attack people for criticizing integration, when in reality 99% of people would say "integration is generally a good thing". You're attacking a non-existent target. Show me where I said that integration is bad? I may have a different opinion on what integration means to others. Religion doesn't play any part in it.
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433 wrote:mcjules wrote:433 wrote:Obviously hadn't seen that.
Look, you can obfuscate all you want. But the vast, vast majority of media presents integration as a good thing.
You and Azza can construct all these false targets if you want, but innocents will continue to die while people like you ignore the problem. False targets. :roll: You attack people for criticizing integration, when in reality 99% of people would say "integration is generally a good thing". You're attacking a non-existent target. What are you on about????? Who attacked anyone for criticising integration??? What I said was that it isn't really fair to criticise muslims for not integrating on the one hand, yet those very same people deride muslims who integrate and are in the public eye, as tokens. Do you want muslims to integrate or not? And the assumption that if a muslim person becomes an MP, or is on TV, it can't just be because of their merit (like everyone else), it must be due to some "leftist agenda". People want to have it both ways. Just like when they complain that immigrants are somehow simultaneously taking all the jobs, and are also all on the dole!
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SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:Here in Sydney many terror attack already. Chinese guy was killed from my area.
Here we see what terror is real. I have my doubts as to whether you're genuinely a vietnamese person, but let's indulge. Were you around when Cabramatta was a hotbed of violence perpetrated by young viet gangs? If so, how did you feel to be put into the same basket as them? Have you been to Cabra mate? :lol: Or are you gonna tell him what it's like from Google maps . I've been there a few times and some of my Viet mates have grown up there. What's your point...were you a regular at John St? You think everything ends with a fairytale ending? I have been to cabramatta, had some top viet food there. Even better than Kilkenny. Are you suggesting it was a safe place in the 80s and 90s? If so that was not what the media were reporting at the time. Lots of people deriding vietnamese and wanting migration to be stopped and for the ones here to be kicked out of the country for not "integrating" too.
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Azza said that there's no win for Muslims, because they're attacked if they don't integrate and derided as tokens if they do.
What I said was that the vast majority of the population supports integration, so this idea that there are a group of people out there attacking Muslims just for integrating is foolish.
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mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:Here in Sydney many terror attack already. Chinese guy was killed from my area.
Here we see what terror is real. I have my doubts as to whether you're genuinely a vietnamese person, but let's indulge. Were you around when Cabramatta was a hotbed of violence perpetrated by young viet gangs? If so, how did you feel to be put into the same basket as them? Have you been to Cabra mate? :lol: Or are you gonna tell him what it's like from Google maps . I've been there a few times and some of my Viet mates have grown up there. What's your point...were you a regular at John St? You think everything ends with a fairytale ending? I have been to cabramatta, had some top viet food there. Even better than Kilkenny. Are you suggesting it was a safe place in the 80s and 90s? If so that was not what the media were reporting at the time. Lots of people deriding vietnamese and wanting migration to be stopped and for the ones here to be kicked out of the country for not "integrating" too. I lived in Sydney during the late 80's and remember well all the hoo haa with regards to the Vietnamese and the 'ghettos' they were creating. A Current Affair had a field day at the time. HOWEVER I don't remember any Vietnamese bloke wanting to go Jihad on a bunch of Westerner arses. There is something fundamentally wrong with Islam. Christianity has it's lunatics but Islamic lunatics are on a whole other level.
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433 wrote:Azza said that there's no win for Muslims, because they're attacked if they don't integrate and derided as tokens if they do.
What I said was that the vast majority of the population supports integration, so this idea that there are a group of people out there attacking Muslims just for integrating is foolish. You may have said that and fair enough but he does have a point. On the one hand they're all on the dole on the other they're taking everyone's jobs. You have to admit you hear that a fair bit.
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mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:Here in Sydney many terror attack already. Chinese guy was killed from my area.
Here we see what terror is real. I have my doubts as to whether you're genuinely a vietnamese person, but let's indulge. Were you around when Cabramatta was a hotbed of violence perpetrated by young viet gangs? If so, how did you feel to be put into the same basket as them? Have you been to Cabra mate? :lol: Or are you gonna tell him what it's like from Google maps . I've been there a few times and some of my Viet mates have grown up there. What's your point...were you a regular at John St? You think everything ends with a fairytale ending? I have been to cabramatta, had some top viet food there. Even better than Kilkenny. Are you suggesting it was a safe place in the 80s and 90s? If so that was not what the media were reporting at the time. Lots of people deriding vietnamese and wanting migration to be stopped and for the ones here to be kicked out of the country for not "integrating" too. You're problem is you think everyone is wired the same
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Toughlove wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:Here in Sydney many terror attack already. Chinese guy was killed from my area.
Here we see what terror is real. I have my doubts as to whether you're genuinely a vietnamese person, but let's indulge. Were you around when Cabramatta was a hotbed of violence perpetrated by young viet gangs? If so, how did you feel to be put into the same basket as them? Have you been to Cabra mate? :lol: Or are you gonna tell him what it's like from Google maps . I've been there a few times and some of my Viet mates have grown up there. What's your point...were you a regular at John St? You think everything ends with a fairytale ending? I have been to cabramatta, had some top viet food there. Even better than Kilkenny. Are you suggesting it was a safe place in the 80s and 90s? If so that was not what the media were reporting at the time. Lots of people deriding vietnamese and wanting migration to be stopped and for the ones here to be kicked out of the country for not "integrating" too. I lived in Sydney during the late 80's and remember well all the hoo haa with regards to the Vietnamese and the 'ghettos' they were creating. A Current Affair had a field day at the time. HOWEVER I don't remember any Vietnamese bloke wanting to go Jihad on a bunch of Westerner arses. There is something fundamentally wrong with Islam. Christianity has it's lunatics but Islamic lunatics are on a whole other level. My point wasn't what they were doing was the same thing (though the roots of why some are doing it may be the same). The point was about how Vietnamese people were labelled in similar ways in regards to not integrating and being a scourge on society.
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mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:Question to the people saying its 2nd generation immigrants and immigrants aren't the problem. The thing is eventually they will give birth to 2nd gen immigrants. So, should we castrate them? Kill their babies? Or perhaps not let them in in the first place? All 3 of us that have made this argument have acknowledged that they have kids. Did you actually read what was posted? Think about the nature of the threats 20 years ago, the world changes quicker than that. tbitm wrote:Its incredibly sad these attacks. I think most australians have their heart pound when they hear an attack has happened in Europe because we almost always have a loved one or friends over there. I know mine did.
But while these attackers are disgusting, these are only part of the affects of the islamisation of Europe has had we need to take a serious look at now, not when the Sydney Opera House is on fire, the West Gate Bridge is bombed or movie world gets gunned. Now.
The other affects which have taken place are quite obvious. The Euro, or any other sporting competition will almost certainly never be held again without maximum security. Almost every national holiday won't just be a day to celebrate, but a day to fear. Jews are leaving in droves. Gays, who fought so long to live their lives openly are going back or will start going back into the closet. Metal detectors are popping up and becoming more and more common. You can't draw what you want without getting death threats or a fatwa against your head. Women are being harassed and raped at a greater rate and are being forced to be far more careful than they otherwise would be. I imaging metal poles are going to be put up in crowded places to stop cars from ramming civilians but its all just a bandaid on the real issue.
Only a matter of time before they attack atheist rallies/meetups, NYE celebrations, liquor stores, annexing territory, firing rockets and release dirty bombs. Don't count on the Eiffel Tower always being there. You want to see it, go soon.
These aren't terrorist attacks. These are acts of war and its time we start treating them that way. What's your solution apart from stemming immigration? Yes a lot can change in 20 years, for instance Jews will be completely eradicated from Europe by then. Its only going to get worse. There have been as many terrorist attacks since the creation of ISIS (2013) than there was in the previous 20 years.* Do you honestly see this slowing down? 1) Investigate all mosques. Only that way can we see which ones are good and which ones need continuous monitoring 2) Deport all non citizens that are muslim 3) Import secular muslim leaders that share our values and allow them a platform to promote a new type of islam. See Majid Nawaz 4) Infiltrate their communities with spys. At least 5% of the population in these should be spies 5) Promote real muslim role models that can promote our values and build a model Muslim society for the rest of the world to envy. We can only do these things once we declare war on Islam. *Going off Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
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tbitm wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:Question to the people saying its 2nd generation immigrants and immigrants aren't the problem. The thing is eventually they will give birth to 2nd gen immigrants. So, should we castrate them? Kill their babies? Or perhaps not let them in in the first place? All 3 of us that have made this argument have acknowledged that they have kids. Did you actually read what was posted? Think about the nature of the threats 20 years ago, the world changes quicker than that. tbitm wrote:Its incredibly sad these attacks. I think most australians have their heart pound when they hear an attack has happened in Europe because we almost always have a loved one or friends over there. I know mine did.
But while these attackers are disgusting, these are only part of the affects of the islamisation of Europe has had we need to take a serious look at now, not when the Sydney Opera House is on fire, the West Gate Bridge is bombed or movie world gets gunned. Now.
The other affects which have taken place are quite obvious. The Euro, or any other sporting competition will almost certainly never be held again without maximum security. Almost every national holiday won't just be a day to celebrate, but a day to fear. Jews are leaving in droves. Gays, who fought so long to live their lives openly are going back or will start going back into the closet. Metal detectors are popping up and becoming more and more common. You can't draw what you want without getting death threats or a fatwa against your head. Women are being harassed and raped at a greater rate and are being forced to be far more careful than they otherwise would be. I imaging metal poles are going to be put up in crowded places to stop cars from ramming civilians but its all just a bandaid on the real issue.
Only a matter of time before they attack atheist rallies/meetups, NYE celebrations, liquor stores, annexing territory, firing rockets and release dirty bombs. Don't count on the Eiffel Tower always being there. You want to see it, go soon.
These aren't terrorist attacks. These are acts of war and its time we start treating them that way. What's your solution apart from stemming immigration? Yes a lot can change in 20 years, for instance Jews will be completely eradicated from Europe by then. Its only going to get worse. There have been as many terrorist attacks since the creation of ISIS (2013) than there was in the previous 20 years.* Do you honestly see this slowing down? 1) Investigate all mosques. Only that way can we see which ones are good and which ones need continuous monitoring 2) Deport all non citizens that are muslim 3) Import secular muslim leaders that share our values and allow them a platform to promote a new type of islam. See Majid Nawaz 4) Infiltrate their communities with spys. At least 5% of the population in these should be spies 5) Promote real muslim role models that can promote our values and build a model Muslim society for the rest of the world to envy. We can only do these things once we declare war on Islam. *Going off Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks :shock: 1. Those sort of tactics are what they do in China but they still have issues. It drives people underground and they still have attacks. 2. Not a believer in Section 116 of the Australian constitution?
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433 wrote:Azza said that there's no win for Muslims, because they're attacked if they don't integrate and derided as tokens if they do.
What I said was that the vast majority of the population supports integration, so this idea that there are a group of people out there attacking Muslims just for integrating is foolish. Ok - I was more making a comment about the posters on this forum calling her token. Not necessarily the public generally.
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tbitm wrote:
Yes a lot can change in 20 years, for instance Jews will be completely eradicated from Europe by then. Its only going to get worse. There have been as many terrorist attacks since the creation of ISIS (2013) than there was in the previous 20 years.* Do you honestly see this slowing down?
I think you are mistaken to assume the upwards trajectory will continue for decades. The reality is that at some point a new power equilibrium will be established in the middle east. Whether that is from the Iraqi govt continuing to turn the tide against ISIS, or the break-up of Iraq into new countries, I don't know. I think that ISIS have probably already passed their peak in terms of power. The fact that (Bataclan attack aside) nearly all of the terrorist attacks of recent times have been the work of individuals, and were 'inspired' by ISIS rather than being complex organised efforts by a group of people, is at least indicative of a reduced capability to commit organised acts of terror. I mean you can't get much more low-tech and blunt that driving a truck through a crowd. One thing which was really crucial was the Iraqis taking back Mosul, and the oil fields there. For a period that was funding much of the ISIS infrastructure. I think once ISIS is no longer a regional entity, that will make a huge difference to online recruitment, propaganda etc. Edited by AzzaMarch: 15/7/2016 04:44:59 PM
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mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:Here in Sydney many terror attack already. Chinese guy was killed from my area.
Here we see what terror is real. I have my doubts as to whether you're genuinely a vietnamese person, but let's indulge. Were you around when Cabramatta was a hotbed of violence perpetrated by young viet gangs? If so, how did you feel to be put into the same basket as them? Have you been to Cabra mate? :lol: Or are you gonna tell him what it's like from Google maps . I've been there a few times and some of my Viet mates have grown up there. What's your point...were you a regular at John St? You think everything ends with a fairytale ending? I have been to cabramatta, had some top viet food there. Even better than Kilkenny. Are you suggesting it was a safe place in the 80s and 90s? If so that was not what the media were reporting at the time. Lots of people deriding vietnamese and wanting migration to be stopped and for the ones here to be kicked out of the country for not "integrating" too. Just because you walked through there once or twice doesn't mean shit.:lol: Having spent time in the area and also knowing people who grew up in that area and they speak from experience ...not their imagination
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Maybe what we need is western countries to investigate Islam as to whether its actually compatible with western values.
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mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:Question to the people saying its 2nd generation immigrants and immigrants aren't the problem. The thing is eventually they will give birth to 2nd gen immigrants. So, should we castrate them? Kill their babies? Or perhaps not let them in in the first place? All 3 of us that have made this argument have acknowledged that they have kids. Did you actually read what was posted? Think about the nature of the threats 20 years ago, the world changes quicker than that. tbitm wrote:Its incredibly sad these attacks. I think most australians have their heart pound when they hear an attack has happened in Europe because we almost always have a loved one or friends over there. I know mine did.
But while these attackers are disgusting, these are only part of the affects of the islamisation of Europe has had we need to take a serious look at now, not when the Sydney Opera House is on fire, the West Gate Bridge is bombed or movie world gets gunned. Now.
The other affects which have taken place are quite obvious. The Euro, or any other sporting competition will almost certainly never be held again without maximum security. Almost every national holiday won't just be a day to celebrate, but a day to fear. Jews are leaving in droves. Gays, who fought so long to live their lives openly are going back or will start going back into the closet. Metal detectors are popping up and becoming more and more common. You can't draw what you want without getting death threats or a fatwa against your head. Women are being harassed and raped at a greater rate and are being forced to be far more careful than they otherwise would be. I imaging metal poles are going to be put up in crowded places to stop cars from ramming civilians but its all just a bandaid on the real issue.
Only a matter of time before they attack atheist rallies/meetups, NYE celebrations, liquor stores, annexing territory, firing rockets and release dirty bombs. Don't count on the Eiffel Tower always being there. You want to see it, go soon.
These aren't terrorist attacks. These are acts of war and its time we start treating them that way. What's your solution apart from stemming immigration? Yes a lot can change in 20 years, for instance Jews will be completely eradicated from Europe by then. Its only going to get worse. There have been as many terrorist attacks since the creation of ISIS (2013) than there was in the previous 20 years.* Do you honestly see this slowing down? 1) Investigate all mosques. Only that way can we see which ones are good and which ones need continuous monitoring 2) Deport all non citizens that are muslim 3) Import secular muslim leaders that share our values and allow them a platform to promote a new type of islam. See Majid Nawaz 4) Infiltrate their communities with spys. At least 5% of the population in these should be spies 5) Promote real muslim role models that can promote our values and build a model Muslim society for the rest of the world to envy. We can only do these things once we declare war on Islam. *Going off Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks :shock: 1. Those sort of tactics are what they do in China but they still have issues. It drives people underground and they still have attacks. 2. Not a believer in Section 116 of the Australian constitution? When I say war on Islam, what I mean are a certain set of idea's. Sharia, Jihad, etc... You can still be a muslim or convert to Islam. Investigating places of radicalisation should be a given. I'd investigate priests too. Theres no easy solution. We can either bite our tongue, go against our principles and solve this now or we will inevitably elect a far right winger to do it in 30-40 years who will do far more heinous acts. IMO, these are our choices.
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SocaWho wrote:Have you been to Cabra mate? :lol:
Or are you gonna tell him what it's like from Google maps .
I've been there a few times and some of my Viet mates have grown up there.
What's your point...were you a regular at John St?
You think everything ends with a fairytale ending?
Just because you walked through there once or twice doesn't mean shit.:lol:
Having spent time in the area and also knowing people who grew up in that area and they speak from experience ...not their imagination I actually don't think you get his point... Even if he had never been to Cabramatta it would not make a difference to the point he was making. Please try to keep up
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mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:Question to the people saying its 2nd generation immigrants and immigrants aren't the problem. The thing is eventually they will give birth to 2nd gen immigrants. So, should we castrate them? Kill their babies? Or perhaps not let them in in the first place? All 3 of us that have made this argument have acknowledged that they have kids. Did you actually read what was posted? Think about the nature of the threats 20 years ago, the world changes quicker than that. tbitm wrote:Its incredibly sad these attacks. I think most australians have their heart pound when they hear an attack has happened in Europe because we almost always have a loved one or friends over there. I know mine did.
But while these attackers are disgusting, these are only part of the affects of the islamisation of Europe has had we need to take a serious look at now, not when the Sydney Opera House is on fire, the West Gate Bridge is bombed or movie world gets gunned. Now.
The other affects which have taken place are quite obvious. The Euro, or any other sporting competition will almost certainly never be held again without maximum security. Almost every national holiday won't just be a day to celebrate, but a day to fear. Jews are leaving in droves. Gays, who fought so long to live their lives openly are going back or will start going back into the closet. Metal detectors are popping up and becoming more and more common. You can't draw what you want without getting death threats or a fatwa against your head. Women are being harassed and raped at a greater rate and are being forced to be far more careful than they otherwise would be. I imaging metal poles are going to be put up in crowded places to stop cars from ramming civilians but its all just a bandaid on the real issue.
Only a matter of time before they attack atheist rallies/meetups, NYE celebrations, liquor stores, annexing territory, firing rockets and release dirty bombs. Don't count on the Eiffel Tower always being there. You want to see it, go soon.
These aren't terrorist attacks. These are acts of war and its time we start treating them that way. What's your solution apart from stemming immigration? Yes a lot can change in 20 years, for instance Jews will be completely eradicated from Europe by then. Its only going to get worse. There have been as many terrorist attacks since the creation of ISIS (2013) than there was in the previous 20 years.* Do you honestly see this slowing down? 1) Investigate all mosques. Only that way can we see which ones are good and which ones need continuous monitoring 2) Deport all non citizens that are muslim 3) Import secular muslim leaders that share our values and allow them a platform to promote a new type of islam. See Majid Nawaz 4) Infiltrate their communities with spys. At least 5% of the population in these should be spies 5) Promote real muslim role models that can promote our values and build a model Muslim society for the rest of the world to envy. We can only do these things once we declare war on Islam. *Going off Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks :shock: 1. Those sort of tactics are what they do in China but they still have issues. It drives people underground and they still have attacks. 2. Not a believer in Section 116 of the Australian constitution? Implying that the constitution is a great refrence. This isnt the US our constitution is massively different. Study it. We have very few rights protected under it. Stop clutching at straws.
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tbitm wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:Question to the people saying its 2nd generation immigrants and immigrants aren't the problem. The thing is eventually they will give birth to 2nd gen immigrants. So, should we castrate them? Kill their babies? Or perhaps not let them in in the first place? All 3 of us that have made this argument have acknowledged that they have kids. Did you actually read what was posted? Think about the nature of the threats 20 years ago, the world changes quicker than that. tbitm wrote:Its incredibly sad these attacks. I think most australians have their heart pound when they hear an attack has happened in Europe because we almost always have a loved one or friends over there. I know mine did.
But while these attackers are disgusting, these are only part of the affects of the islamisation of Europe has had we need to take a serious look at now, not when the Sydney Opera House is on fire, the West Gate Bridge is bombed or movie world gets gunned. Now.
The other affects which have taken place are quite obvious. The Euro, or any other sporting competition will almost certainly never be held again without maximum security. Almost every national holiday won't just be a day to celebrate, but a day to fear. Jews are leaving in droves. Gays, who fought so long to live their lives openly are going back or will start going back into the closet. Metal detectors are popping up and becoming more and more common. You can't draw what you want without getting death threats or a fatwa against your head. Women are being harassed and raped at a greater rate and are being forced to be far more careful than they otherwise would be. I imaging metal poles are going to be put up in crowded places to stop cars from ramming civilians but its all just a bandaid on the real issue.
Only a matter of time before they attack atheist rallies/meetups, NYE celebrations, liquor stores, annexing territory, firing rockets and release dirty bombs. Don't count on the Eiffel Tower always being there. You want to see it, go soon.
These aren't terrorist attacks. These are acts of war and its time we start treating them that way. What's your solution apart from stemming immigration? Yes a lot can change in 20 years, for instance Jews will be completely eradicated from Europe by then. Its only going to get worse. There have been as many terrorist attacks since the creation of ISIS (2013) than there was in the previous 20 years.* Do you honestly see this slowing down? 1) Investigate all mosques. Only that way can we see which ones are good and which ones need continuous monitoring 2) Deport all non citizens that are muslim 3) Import secular muslim leaders that share our values and allow them a platform to promote a new type of islam. See Majid Nawaz 4) Infiltrate their communities with spys. At least 5% of the population in these should be spies 5) Promote real muslim role models that can promote our values and build a model Muslim society for the rest of the world to envy. We can only do these things once we declare war on Islam. *Going off Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks :shock: 1. Those sort of tactics are what they do in China but they still have issues. It drives people underground and they still have attacks. 2. Not a believer in Section 116 of the Australian constitution? When I say war on Islam, what I mean are a certain set of idea's. Sharia, Jihad, etc... You can still be a muslim or convert to Islam. Investigating places of radicalisation should be a given. I'd investigate priests too. Theres no easy solution. We can either bite our tongue, go against our principles and solve this now or we will inevitably elect a far right winger to do it in 30-40 years who will do far more heinous acts. IMO, these are our choices. Even in a moderate society like Turkey, you can get persecuted for preaching Christianity
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SocaWho
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Davide82 wrote:SocaWho wrote:Have you been to Cabra mate? :lol:
Or are you gonna tell him what it's like from Google maps .
I've been there a few times and some of my Viet mates have grown up there.
What's your point...were you a regular at John St?
You think everything ends with a fairytale ending?
Just because you walked through there once or twice doesn't mean shit.:lol:
Having spent time in the area and also knowing people who grew up in that area and they speak from experience ...not their imagination I actually don't think you get his point... Even if he had never been to Cabramatta it would not make a difference to the point he was making. Please try to keep up Maybe you should do some research into the background of my argument ...
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Viet Guy wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:Question to the people saying its 2nd generation immigrants and immigrants aren't the problem. The thing is eventually they will give birth to 2nd gen immigrants. So, should we castrate them? Kill their babies? Or perhaps not let them in in the first place? All 3 of us that have made this argument have acknowledged that they have kids. Did you actually read what was posted? Think about the nature of the threats 20 years ago, the world changes quicker than that. tbitm wrote:Its incredibly sad these attacks. I think most australians have their heart pound when they hear an attack has happened in Europe because we almost always have a loved one or friends over there. I know mine did.
But while these attackers are disgusting, these are only part of the affects of the islamisation of Europe has had we need to take a serious look at now, not when the Sydney Opera House is on fire, the West Gate Bridge is bombed or movie world gets gunned. Now.
The other affects which have taken place are quite obvious. The Euro, or any other sporting competition will almost certainly never be held again without maximum security. Almost every national holiday won't just be a day to celebrate, but a day to fear. Jews are leaving in droves. Gays, who fought so long to live their lives openly are going back or will start going back into the closet. Metal detectors are popping up and becoming more and more common. You can't draw what you want without getting death threats or a fatwa against your head. Women are being harassed and raped at a greater rate and are being forced to be far more careful than they otherwise would be. I imaging metal poles are going to be put up in crowded places to stop cars from ramming civilians but its all just a bandaid on the real issue.
Only a matter of time before they attack atheist rallies/meetups, NYE celebrations, liquor stores, annexing territory, firing rockets and release dirty bombs. Don't count on the Eiffel Tower always being there. You want to see it, go soon.
These aren't terrorist attacks. These are acts of war and its time we start treating them that way. What's your solution apart from stemming immigration? Yes a lot can change in 20 years, for instance Jews will be completely eradicated from Europe by then. Its only going to get worse. There have been as many terrorist attacks since the creation of ISIS (2013) than there was in the previous 20 years.* Do you honestly see this slowing down? 1) Investigate all mosques. Only that way can we see which ones are good and which ones need continuous monitoring 2) Deport all non citizens that are muslim 3) Import secular muslim leaders that share our values and allow them a platform to promote a new type of islam. See Majid Nawaz 4) Infiltrate their communities with spys. At least 5% of the population in these should be spies 5) Promote real muslim role models that can promote our values and build a model Muslim society for the rest of the world to envy. We can only do these things once we declare war on Islam. *Going off Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks :shock: 1. Those sort of tactics are what they do in China but they still have issues. It drives people underground and they still have attacks. 2. Not a believer in Section 116 of the Australian constitution? You dont know about xinjiang mate. I do mate. Going to Urumqi end of August. Wish me luck!
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TheSelectFew
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mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:Question to the people saying its 2nd generation immigrants and immigrants aren't the problem. The thing is eventually they will give birth to 2nd gen immigrants. So, should we castrate them? Kill their babies? Or perhaps not let them in in the first place? All 3 of us that have made this argument have acknowledged that they have kids. Did you actually read what was posted? Think about the nature of the threats 20 years ago, the world changes quicker than that. tbitm wrote:Its incredibly sad these attacks. I think most australians have their heart pound when they hear an attack has happened in Europe because we almost always have a loved one or friends over there. I know mine did.
But while these attackers are disgusting, these are only part of the affects of the islamisation of Europe has had we need to take a serious look at now, not when the Sydney Opera House is on fire, the West Gate Bridge is bombed or movie world gets gunned. Now.
The other affects which have taken place are quite obvious. The Euro, or any other sporting competition will almost certainly never be held again without maximum security. Almost every national holiday won't just be a day to celebrate, but a day to fear. Jews are leaving in droves. Gays, who fought so long to live their lives openly are going back or will start going back into the closet. Metal detectors are popping up and becoming more and more common. You can't draw what you want without getting death threats or a fatwa against your head. Women are being harassed and raped at a greater rate and are being forced to be far more careful than they otherwise would be. I imaging metal poles are going to be put up in crowded places to stop cars from ramming civilians but its all just a bandaid on the real issue.
Only a matter of time before they attack atheist rallies/meetups, NYE celebrations, liquor stores, annexing territory, firing rockets and release dirty bombs. Don't count on the Eiffel Tower always being there. You want to see it, go soon.
These aren't terrorist attacks. These are acts of war and its time we start treating them that way. What's your solution apart from stemming immigration? Yes a lot can change in 20 years, for instance Jews will be completely eradicated from Europe by then. Its only going to get worse. There have been as many terrorist attacks since the creation of ISIS (2013) than there was in the previous 20 years.* Do you honestly see this slowing down? 1) Investigate all mosques. Only that way can we see which ones are good and which ones need continuous monitoring 2) Deport all non citizens that are muslim 3) Import secular muslim leaders that share our values and allow them a platform to promote a new type of islam. See Majid Nawaz 4) Infiltrate their communities with spys. At least 5% of the population in these should be spies 5) Promote real muslim role models that can promote our values and build a model Muslim society for the rest of the world to envy. We can only do these things once we declare war on Islam. *Going off Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks :shock: 1. Those sort of tactics are what they do in China but they still have issues. It drives people underground and they still have attacks. 2. Not a believer in Section 116 of the Australian constitution? You dont know about xinjiang mate. I do mate. Going to Urumqi end of August. Wish me luck! That implies you haven't been there. Thus, you know squat.
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TheSelectFew
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SocaWho wrote:Davide82 wrote:SocaWho wrote:Have you been to Cabra mate? :lol:
Or are you gonna tell him what it's like from Google maps .
I've been there a few times and some of my Viet mates have grown up there.
What's your point...were you a regular at John St?
You think everything ends with a fairytale ending?
Just because you walked through there once or twice doesn't mean shit.:lol:
Having spent time in the area and also knowing people who grew up in that area and they speak from experience ...not their imagination I actually don't think you get his point... Even if he had never been to Cabramatta it would not make a difference to the point he was making. Please try to keep up Maybe you should do some research into the background of my argument ... Peacefully though.
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Davide82
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Iridium1010 wrote:is there any non muslim here who has actually studied the Quran and islamic culture? Maybe what we need is western countries to investigate Islam as to whether its actually compatible with western values. I know people hate hearing about Christianity's shady past with violence and terror coz it's 2016 now but it does show one thing and that is the bible or the quaran or whatever can be interpreted in whatever way you need to in order to make it fit. I know this seems obvious to many but people still ask these questions so maybe it's not? We tend to ignore the vengeful parts of Yahweh. But it's our society around the religion that has "moved on" not the religion or the bible itself. I hazard to guess if roles were entirely reversed today and religions swapped so that the middle east was all variations of christians, they would find room in the bible to justify their anger and violence. Yes, the Quaran has many violent sections but far out man, some of the bible is vicious aha The Qaran didn't stop these societies from "developing" how we did technologically etc, resources did!!
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mcjules
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TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:Question to the people saying its 2nd generation immigrants and immigrants aren't the problem. The thing is eventually they will give birth to 2nd gen immigrants. So, should we castrate them? Kill their babies? Or perhaps not let them in in the first place? All 3 of us that have made this argument have acknowledged that they have kids. Did you actually read what was posted? Think about the nature of the threats 20 years ago, the world changes quicker than that. tbitm wrote:Its incredibly sad these attacks. I think most australians have their heart pound when they hear an attack has happened in Europe because we almost always have a loved one or friends over there. I know mine did.
But while these attackers are disgusting, these are only part of the affects of the islamisation of Europe has had we need to take a serious look at now, not when the Sydney Opera House is on fire, the West Gate Bridge is bombed or movie world gets gunned. Now.
The other affects which have taken place are quite obvious. The Euro, or any other sporting competition will almost certainly never be held again without maximum security. Almost every national holiday won't just be a day to celebrate, but a day to fear. Jews are leaving in droves. Gays, who fought so long to live their lives openly are going back or will start going back into the closet. Metal detectors are popping up and becoming more and more common. You can't draw what you want without getting death threats or a fatwa against your head. Women are being harassed and raped at a greater rate and are being forced to be far more careful than they otherwise would be. I imaging metal poles are going to be put up in crowded places to stop cars from ramming civilians but its all just a bandaid on the real issue.
Only a matter of time before they attack atheist rallies/meetups, NYE celebrations, liquor stores, annexing territory, firing rockets and release dirty bombs. Don't count on the Eiffel Tower always being there. You want to see it, go soon.
These aren't terrorist attacks. These are acts of war and its time we start treating them that way. What's your solution apart from stemming immigration? Yes a lot can change in 20 years, for instance Jews will be completely eradicated from Europe by then. Its only going to get worse. There have been as many terrorist attacks since the creation of ISIS (2013) than there was in the previous 20 years.* Do you honestly see this slowing down? 1) Investigate all mosques. Only that way can we see which ones are good and which ones need continuous monitoring 2) Deport all non citizens that are muslim 3) Import secular muslim leaders that share our values and allow them a platform to promote a new type of islam. See Majid Nawaz 4) Infiltrate their communities with spys. At least 5% of the population in these should be spies 5) Promote real muslim role models that can promote our values and build a model Muslim society for the rest of the world to envy. We can only do these things once we declare war on Islam. *Going off Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks :shock: 1. Those sort of tactics are what they do in China but they still have issues. It drives people underground and they still have attacks. 2. Not a believer in Section 116 of the Australian constitution? Implying that the constitution is a great refrence. This isnt the US our constitution is massively different. Study it. We have very few rights protected under it. Stop clutching at straws. And, this is one of the few rights that is. So it's highly relevant. For tbitm's plan to work would require a referendum where 2 thirds of the states say yes and a majority overall. That's a seriously high bar. I'm going to assume people are highly emotional at the moment and aren't thinking straight.
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