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Aikhme wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:Aikhme wrote:Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote: Don't wish to discuss this with someone who takes the deaths of innocence seriously.
:lol: No worries, man. Nice work. Well you obviously get some sick enjoyment out of it. Aha I assumed you were joking... You really are struggling to keep up Have a good weekend, man. It was meant to have doesn't. Either way way. You get the drift. I understood your typo and I still think you're a dickhead IF that's what you think of me and that's what you got out of me taking the piss out of Aikhme or whoever it was' comments re immigration when 2 commnest later i clarified how disgusting and barbaric this act was. If you didn't see that then no worries, sorry for the confusion Don't misrepresent my comments. I only said that Australia should bias its immigration towards Nations with similar values and ideals as us. There is nothing wrong with this idea at all. In fact it is very sensible. Once upon a time the values brought by the Greeks and every other European were not similar enough either. Lets not judge one people but a few stupid ones. I'm shocked to read how intolerant some of you football supporters are. Hasn't the world game taught you anything about inclusiveness? "Terrorism" became a big thing after we started to invade Islamic nations and tried to force our values on them. Our government should allow other countries to make their own decisions instead of getting involved. That might solve the problem of why these "terrorists" had western countries so much. That's totally nonsense. Greeks and Italians and Europeans in general have virtually the same ideals and values as Australians. They not only integrate and socialise well, but they thrive economically and culturally. ×2
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TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:You dont know xinjiang muslims expansion and want separatist. Please dont talk about china politics here. Its not Australia. Not like it. Dont make this comparison. I'd rather not talk about chinese politics here either, especially with you. My opinion is the state trying to control religions has limited efficacy and China is an example where that is the case. Perfectly valid comparison. But you know nothing about it to make a comparison. He just said. You have nothing but western preconceptions. That's what you assume, he seems to think he knows about it but can't make a point at all except "you don't know about ...". Honestly, the two of you are embarrassing yourselves. I appreciate it's an emotional time but I'm tired of discussing this with people that bring nothing to the table.
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AzzaMarch wrote:BETHFC wrote:Davide82 wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:is there any non muslim here who has actually studied the Quran and islamic culture? Maybe what we need is western countries to investigate Islam as to whether its actually compatible with western values. I know people hate hearing about Christianity's shady past with violence and terror coz it's 2016 now but it does show one thing and that is the bible or the quaran or whatever can be interpreted in whatever way you need to in order to make it fit. I know this seems obvious to many but people still ask these questions so maybe it's not? We tend to ignore the vengeful parts of Yahweh. But it's our society around the religion that has "moved on" not the religion or the bible itself. I hazard to guess if roles were entirely reversed today and religions swapped so that the middle east was all variations of christians, they would find room in the bible to justify their anger and violence. Yes, the Quaran has many violent sections but far out man, some of the bible is vicious aha The Qaran didn't stop these societies from "developing" how we did technologically etc, resources did!! Indeed. However, something has changed within the Christian religion whereby they're not raiding Jerusalem in the name of the almighty or burning witches. Being in a backward shithole doesn't make it ok to kill innocent people. Nothing has changed within the Christian religion. What has changed is the societies that the Christian religion exists predominantly in (The West) doesn't take it seriously anymore. And by seriously I mean that there is a separation of church and state, the churches have no legal powers of control etc. Go have a look in some African failed states and you will see that Christians can be just as vicious against muslims as muslims are against Christians. The issue is that the countries in the middle east are violent societies ruled by authoritarian regimes, or straight-up dictatorships. Violent extremist islam evolved as a response to this. Ultimately the problem is one of society, not just religion. But turning middle eastern countries into democracies with rule of law, separation of church and state???? Good luck! Indeed, the bible and the Quran are equally violent. A product of their times where violence was a part of every day life. I love how people claim these books are divine. They're books. Nothing more.
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mcjules wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:You dont know xinjiang muslims expansion and want separatist. Please dont talk about china politics here. Its not Australia. Not like it. Dont make this comparison. I'd rather not talk about chinese politics here either, especially with you. My opinion is the state trying to control religions has limited efficacy and China is an example where that is the case. Perfectly valid comparison. But you know nothing about it to make a comparison. He just said. You have nothing but western preconceptions. That's what you assume, he seems to think he knows about it but can't make a point at all except "you don't know about ...". Honestly, the two of you are embarrassing yourselves. I appreciate it's an emotional time but I'm tired of discussing this with people that bring nothing to the table.  Not everyone wants to sit at your table
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scott21 wrote:mcjules wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:You dont know xinjiang muslims expansion and want separatist. Please dont talk about china politics here. Its not Australia. Not like it. Dont make this comparison. I'd rather not talk about chinese politics here either, especially with you. My opinion is the state trying to control religions has limited efficacy and China is an example where that is the case. Perfectly valid comparison. But you know nothing about it to make a comparison. He just said. You have nothing but western preconceptions. That's what you assume, he seems to think he knows about it but can't make a point at all except "you don't know about ...". Honestly, the two of you are embarrassing yourselves. I appreciate it's an emotional time but I'm tired of discussing this with people that bring nothing to the table.  Not everyone wants to sit at your table Yeah I'm sitting at my table and these 2 guys keep coming over with plates but tripping over and spilling it all over the ground. Thanks for the analogy.
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mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:You dont know xinjiang muslims expansion and want separatist. Please dont talk about china politics here. Its not Australia. Not like it. Dont make this comparison. I'd rather not talk about chinese politics here either, especially with you. My opinion is the state trying to control religions has limited efficacy and China is an example where that is the case. Perfectly valid comparison. You're the one who brought up Chinese politics you loser. Please stop ...you've brought up Chinese politics then you back track because you got shut down Mate you like to think you know the world better than you do...and therein lies the problem...you think too much. Try talking from life experience for a change, I don't claim to know about everything and I wouldn't claim to know about China because I've never set foot there Edited by Socawho: 15/7/2016 07:32:42 PM
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TheSelectFew
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mcjules wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:You dont know xinjiang muslims expansion and want separatist. Please dont talk about china politics here. Its not Australia. Not like it. Dont make this comparison. I'd rather not talk about chinese politics here either, especially with you. My opinion is the state trying to control religions has limited efficacy and China is an example where that is the case. Perfectly valid comparison. But you know nothing about it to make a comparison. He just said. You have nothing but western preconceptions. That's what you assume, he seems to think he knows about it but can't make a point at all except "you don't know about ...". Honestly, the two of you are embarrassing yourselves. I appreciate it's an emotional time but I'm tired of discussing this with people that bring nothing to the table. Jog on to you too mate. Good to read you know nothing despite claiming to be an expert.
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SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:You dont know xinjiang muslims expansion and want separatist. Please dont talk about china politics here. Its not Australia. Not like it. Dont make this comparison. I'd rather not talk about chinese politics here either, especially with you. My opinion is the state trying to control religions has limited efficacy and China is an example where that is the case. Perfectly valid comparison. You're the one who brought up Chinese politics you loser. Please stop ...you've brought up Chinese politics then you back track because you got shut down Edited by Socawho: 15/7/2016 07:30:24 PM Exactly. How embarrassing.
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TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:You dont know xinjiang muslims expansion and want separatist. Please dont talk about china politics here. Its not Australia. Not like it. Dont make this comparison. I'd rather not talk about chinese politics here either, especially with you. My opinion is the state trying to control religions has limited efficacy and China is an example where that is the case. Perfectly valid comparison. But you know nothing about it to make a comparison. He just said. You have nothing but western preconceptions. A 3 year Arts degree and everyone's an expert in politics, religion, culture and history these days.
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Aikhme wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:You dont know xinjiang muslims expansion and want separatist. Please dont talk about china politics here. Its not Australia. Not like it. Dont make this comparison. I'd rather not talk about chinese politics here either, especially with you. My opinion is the state trying to control religions has limited efficacy and China is an example where that is the case. Perfectly valid comparison. If you restrict the Islamic Intake, you won't have China's problem or need to control anything. BTW, it's not just China. There are issues in every country where there are large Islamic populations. Look at what hapenned to Bosnia. Look at France, Germany, UK, Sweden etc etc. That will be Australia in due course unless we address this right now! Edited by Aikhme: 15/7/2016 07:20:33 PM Thats how Kosovo got annexed by Albania.
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SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:You dont know xinjiang muslims expansion and want separatist. Please dont talk about china politics here. Its not Australia. Not like it. Dont make this comparison. I'd rather not talk about chinese politics here either, especially with you. My opinion is the state trying to control religions has limited efficacy and China is an example where that is the case. Perfectly valid comparison. You're the one who brought up Chinese politics you loser. Please stop ...you've brought up Chinese politics then you back track because you got shut down I'm "back tracking" because people are getting emotional and don't say anything other than "you don't know". If someone wants to put their chinese politics credentials on the table I'd be happy to listen to them. Otherwise it's just ad hominems with no substance. Better for everyone involved if someone doesn't reply and if the others aren't big enough to do it I will. Zaijian.
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scott21 wrote:mcjules wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:You dont know xinjiang muslims expansion and want separatist. Please dont talk about china politics here. Its not Australia. Not like it. Dont make this comparison. I'd rather not talk about chinese politics here either, especially with you. My opinion is the state trying to control religions has limited efficacy and China is an example where that is the case. Perfectly valid comparison. But you know nothing about it to make a comparison. He just said. You have nothing but western preconceptions. That's what you assume, he seems to think he knows about it but can't make a point at all except "you don't know about ...". Honestly, the two of you are embarrassing yourselves. I appreciate it's an emotional time but I'm tired of discussing this with people that bring nothing to the table.  Not everyone wants to sit at your table
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Enzo Bearzot wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:You dont know xinjiang muslims expansion and want separatist. Please dont talk about china politics here. Its not Australia. Not like it. Dont make this comparison. I'd rather not talk about chinese politics here either, especially with you. My opinion is the state trying to control religions has limited efficacy and China is an example where that is the case. Perfectly valid comparison. But you know nothing about it to make a comparison. He just said. You have nothing but western preconceptions. A 3 year Arts degree and everyone's an expert in politics, religion, culture and history these days. They are deep man. Very deep and insightful.
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Enzo Bearzot wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:You dont know xinjiang muslims expansion and want separatist. Please dont talk about china politics here. Its not Australia. Not like it. Dont make this comparison. I'd rather not talk about chinese politics here either, especially with you. My opinion is the state trying to control religions has limited efficacy and China is an example where that is the case. Perfectly valid comparison. But you know nothing about it to make a comparison. He just said. You have nothing but western preconceptions. A 3 year Arts degree and everyone's an expert in politics, religion, culture and history these days. Apparently an expert on China too without having ever been there.
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Viet Guy wrote:mcjules wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:Question to the people saying its 2nd generation immigrants and immigrants aren't the problem. The thing is eventually they will give birth to 2nd gen immigrants. So, should we castrate them? Kill their babies? Or perhaps not let them in in the first place? All 3 of us that have made this argument have acknowledged that they have kids. Did you actually read what was posted? Think about the nature of the threats 20 years ago, the world changes quicker than that. tbitm wrote:Its incredibly sad these attacks. I think most australians have their heart pound when they hear an attack has happened in Europe because we almost always have a loved one or friends over there. I know mine did.
But while these attackers are disgusting, these are only part of the affects of the islamisation of Europe has had we need to take a serious look at now, not when the Sydney Opera House is on fire, the West Gate Bridge is bombed or movie world gets gunned. Now.
The other affects which have taken place are quite obvious. The Euro, or any other sporting competition will almost certainly never be held again without maximum security. Almost every national holiday won't just be a day to celebrate, but a day to fear. Jews are leaving in droves. Gays, who fought so long to live their lives openly are going back or will start going back into the closet. Metal detectors are popping up and becoming more and more common. You can't draw what you want without getting death threats or a fatwa against your head. Women are being harassed and raped at a greater rate and are being forced to be far more careful than they otherwise would be. I imaging metal poles are going to be put up in crowded places to stop cars from ramming civilians but its all just a bandaid on the real issue.
Only a matter of time before they attack atheist rallies/meetups, NYE celebrations, liquor stores, annexing territory, firing rockets and release dirty bombs. Don't count on the Eiffel Tower always being there. You want to see it, go soon.
These aren't terrorist attacks. These are acts of war and its time we start treating them that way. What's your solution apart from stemming immigration? Yes a lot can change in 20 years, for instance Jews will be completely eradicated from Europe by then. Its only going to get worse. There have been as many terrorist attacks since the creation of ISIS (2013) than there was in the previous 20 years.* Do you honestly see this slowing down? 1) Investigate all mosques. Only that way can we see which ones are good and which ones need continuous monitoring 2) Deport all non citizens that are muslim 3) Import secular muslim leaders that share our values and allow them a platform to promote a new type of islam. See Majid Nawaz 4) Infiltrate their communities with spys. At least 5% of the population in these should be spies 5) Promote real muslim role models that can promote our values and build a model Muslim society for the rest of the world to envy. We can only do these things once we declare war on Islam. *Going off Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks :shock: 1. Those sort of tactics are what they do in China but they still have issues. It drives people underground and they still have attacks. 2. Not a believer in Section 116 of the Australian constitution? You dont know about xinjiang mate. I do mate. Going to Urumqi end of August. Wish me luck! That implies you haven't been there. Thus, you know squat. So petty. I'm right though. Don't bullshit us. Well I know a number of people from there (why would I be going otherwise the flights are costing me a packet) including some Uighurs. I've also been into other places in China with significant muslim communities such as Lanzhou and Xi'an. Some terrorist attacks in China have happened in Beijing and I've been there too. Really though, if you're best argument is "you haven't been there so you don't know" you really are a simpleton. Even if I lived there my evidence would still be anecdotal. That's not what you said though. If you lived there you would have a better leg to stad on than '...im going there'. He claimed I didn't know about Xinjiang. Of course I know about it, otherwise I wouldn't be going there. Any rate, what's the point anyway? That muslims in Xinjiang practice their religion freely and openly and what I claimed was incorrect? Why would anyone challenge me on that? :lol: You dont know xinjiang muslims expansion and want separatist. Please dont talk about china politics here. Its not Australia. Not like it. Dont make this comparison. Thats ALWAYS the endgame wherever large muslim populations exist.
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The end game is to end all Western Governments with Christian ideals and values. It is an anathema to them. We are infidels.
Then introduce Sharia Law and become more independent. Possibly even replace our Governments with a global Caliphate for the believers.
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mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:You dont know xinjiang muslims expansion and want separatist. Please dont talk about china politics here. Its not Australia. Not like it. Dont make this comparison. I'd rather not talk about chinese politics here either, especially with you. My opinion is the state trying to control religions has limited efficacy and China is an example where that is the case. Perfectly valid comparison. You're the one who brought up Chinese politics you loser. Please stop ...you've brought up Chinese politics then you back track because you got shut down I'm "back tracking" because people are getting emotional and don't say anything other than "you don't know". If someone wants to put their chinese politics credentials on the table I'd be happy to listen to them. Otherwise it's just ad hominems with no substance. Better for everyone involved if someone doesn't reply and if the others aren't big enough to do it I will. Zaijian. So now you're saying everyone with a view different is emotional now? Oh come on. I think you are 442's own version of Baron Munchausen Edited by Socawho: 15/7/2016 10:00:27 PM
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Aikhme wrote:Enzo Bearzot wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:You dont know xinjiang muslims expansion and want separatist. Please dont talk about china politics here. Its not Australia. Not like it. Dont make this comparison. I'd rather not talk about chinese politics here either, especially with you. My opinion is the state trying to control religions has limited efficacy and China is an example where that is the case. Perfectly valid comparison. But you know nothing about it to make a comparison. He just said. You have nothing but western preconceptions. A 3 year Arts degree and everyone's an expert in politics, religion, culture and history these days. Apparently an expert on China too without having ever been there. He's like Pokemon GO, he's been everywhere except having been there. And he has the audacity to lecture me on what my own backyard looks like without been there in person. Go figure
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Article in the fin review saying terrorism not brexit is the biggest threat to world peace. Britans must be relieved at their decision.
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Aikhme wrote:The end game is to end all Western Governments with Christian ideals and values. It is an anathema to them. We are infidels.
Then introduce Sharia Law and become more independent. Possibly even replace our Governments with a global Caliphate for the believers. Seems to be the case. I'm not aware of any examples of appeasement stopping Islamist progression either. From western societies to moderate Muslim countries like Malaysia or turkey to more extreme societies like Egypt, Pakistan . Genuinely interested to hear counter-examples. India perhaps?
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the_donald using photos of dead victims of the Nice massacre (including children) to advance their agenda and get upvotes. Scum.
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scott21 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:scott21 wrote:Should spend more time presidenting :lol: This. You have a race divide in your country ffs. Everybody blaming Trump for the state of the world and forgetting Obama is in charge and has been for 7 years. I guess it all must be Bush's fault. Guess Trump is following my posts Quote:Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 8m8 minutes ago Four more years of weakness with a Crooked Hillary Administration is not acceptable. Look what has happened to the world with O & Hillary! I dont use twitter, I just looked at his page after salmon made a post. In regrad to that I think it is no different from when pictures were posted and printed of a little boys corpse on a beach to fit their politcial agenda.
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I find it hilarious how McJules makes the comparison between Vietnamese in the 90s to the issue of Islamic extremism at hand...:lol:
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SocaWho wrote:I find it hilarious how McJules makes the comparison between Vietnamese in the 90s to the issue of Islamic extremism at hand...:lol:
Implying deaths
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So Turkey's military is trying to take over the country... -PB
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salmonfc wrote:the_donald using photos of dead victims of the Nice massacre (including children) to advance their agenda and get upvotes.
Scum. Dude, upvotes mean nothing. Literally nothing. People need to not give shit about imaginary internet points on a pond like reddit ffs. -PB
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Good News!
Erdogan is on the Run, with a Military Coup in Turkey taking charge of Government.
FANTASTIC!
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paulbagzFC wrote:salmonfc wrote:the_donald using photos of dead victims of the Nice massacre (including children) to advance their agenda and get upvotes.
Scum. Dude, upvotes mean nothing. Literally nothing. People need to not give shit about imaginary internet points on a pond like reddit ffs. -PB This :lol:
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Aikhme wrote:Good News!
Erdogan is on the Run, with a Military Coup in Turkey taking charge of Government.
FANTASTIC! Honestly that could mean anything.
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lol watching the news when they released the Nice driver's name; Please don't be Muhammed please don't be Muhammed; FUCK. -PB
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