Aljay
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adrtho wrote:Aljay wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:So the Americans bombed a bunch of innocent Syrians. Fuck me dead. It's a cycle and it's completely unnecessary. I just wonder if the Americans are deliberately this incompetent. FFS. Bush and his neocon handlers have a fuck load to answer for. Iraq War created such a mess. They haven't gone away either with their push for war with Iran and using the Bush presidency to stack the State Dept with their ideological followers. Edited by Aljay: 21/7/2016 08:50:49 AM people forget, there always been a mess... USA didn't make Saddam Hussein invaded Iran the USA didn't make Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait the USA didn't make Iran quds force take over defector control of Iraq USA didn't make the Sunni countries create ISIS as a counter balances sometimes, when the USA pull it's troops out (Iraq) and Navy (philippines) , other countries see it as a opportunity (Iran) and (China) I agree with most of what you wrote (not sure on Sunni countries creating Isis as a counter balance to Shia influence, but whatever), particularly about American power being a counter balance and better alternative to competing powers around the world. nevertheless I still think the invasion of Iraq was an absolute global tragedy and the American neocon movement is solely to blame. There has been a mess in the ME since 1948. You could even make an argument that it has been a mess for 100 years before that, which is the reason that the British and French found it so easy to colonise and also the reason that they thought it should be colonised - to bring order out of chaos. One issue that often gets overlooked is the massive population growth in the region that has occurred with the introduction of western medicine. When Saddam came to power in 1979 Iraq had a population of 14mil, now it is 34mil. When Israel was established in 1948 the population of Jodran was under a million, now it is over 9mil. I'm sure if you looked at Oman or Qatar the population increase would be even more dramatic.
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TheSelectFew
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100% agree. Shouldve let them go at it.
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:lol: So apparently there was a fake letter sent to a whole bunch of newspapers and made to look like it was from the Germans welcoming the coup in Turkey
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paulbagzFC
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lol Miami police that shot that carer, fucking hell how do they train these numpties. -PB
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Toughlove
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AzzaMarch wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:I went through that pdf file, it has "political" as its main reasons for lone wolf attacks, but i couldnt find what its sources are , and what kind of "lone wolf" attacks its referring too. Page 5 of the report: "80 per cent of deaths in the West from lone wolf attacks being attributed to a mixture of right wing extremists, nationalists, anti-government elements, other types of political extremism and supremacism". The Annex starting on Page 92 goes through their methodology and results in detail. So I don't really trust that you read much of the report. Just keep dishing out the slapdowns Azza. I'm enjoying watching the ignorant, self absorbed, know-it-alls get smacked time and time again. Most of these morons suffer from a severe case of Dunning Kruger syndrome. Skim read an article, dismiss anything that doesn't confirm their pre-conceived biases and/or the lived experience and then try and shit all over actual facts. Then get schooled. Again and again and again. Keep up the good work though I don't know how you manage to keep posting in such a neutral manner. I'd be dishing out out abuse left, right and centre.
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Toughlove
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Which would explain why I couldn't download 'Mad Max - Fury Road' this afternoon. Extratorrents it is then.
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paulbagzFC wrote:lol Miami police that shot that carer, fucking hell how do they train these numpties.
-PB It's a 3rd world country masquerading as first world. Absolute shit hole.
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Glory Recruit
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AzzaMarch wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:I went through that pdf file, it has "political" as its main reasons for lone wolf attacks, but i couldnt find what its sources are , and what kind of "lone wolf" attacks its referring too. Page 5 of the report: "80 per cent of deaths in the West from lone wolf attacks being attributed to a mixture of right wing extremists, nationalists, anti-government elements, other types of political extremism and supremacism". The Annex starting on Page 92 goes through their methodology and results in detail. So I don't really trust that you read much of the report. I only skimmed through it, but your post doesnt really help me, is there a page that lists the individual attacks in the west that it's tallying up? Thanks According to New America, a think tank, from 2001-2016, 512 people have been charged with terrorism or intention to commit terrorism in USA. 330 were muslim, 182 were not. http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/analysis.htmlList of deadly attacks in the USA since 2001 http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html Azza's link is obviously b4 Orlando, and Nice also, and includes the whole of the west. Edited by iridium1010: 22/7/2016 01:39:12 AMtoughlove wrote:Just keep dishing out the slapdowns Azza. I'm enjoying watching the ignorant, self absorbed, know-it-alls get smacked time and time again.
Most of these morons suffer from a severe case of Dunning Kruger syndrome.
Skim read an article, dismiss anything that doesn't confirm their pre-conceived biases and/or the lived experience and then try and shit all over actual facts.
Then get schooled. Again and again and again.
Keep up the good work though I don't know how you manage to keep posting in such a neutral manner. I'd be dishing out out abuse left, right and centre. I didn't dismiss anything I simply asked what was the source of the material. Edited by iridium1010: 22/7/2016 01:49:49 AM
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TheSelectFew
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So you're racist if you ask questions and about the source of data. Gee whiz.
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paulbagzFC wrote:lol Miami police that shot that carer, fucking hell how do they train these numpties.
-PB Would be embarrassing if they actually did have any sort of training. Shocking stuff
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adrtho
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It's Official: Hillary Clinton Is Running Against Vladimir Putin Quote:The Republican nominee for president, Donald J. Trump, has chosen this week to unmask himself as a de facto agent of Russian President Vladimir Putin, a KGB-trained dictator who seeks to rebuild the Soviet empire by undermining the free nations of Europe, marginalizing NATO, and ending America’s reign as the world’s sole superpower.
I am not suggesting that Donald Trump is employed by Putin—though his campaign manager, Paul Manafort, was for many years on the payroll of the Putin-backed former president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych. I am arguing that Trump’s understanding of America’s role in the world aligns with Russia’s geostrategic interests; that his critique of American democracy is in accord with the Kremlin’s critique of American democracy; and that he shares numerous ideological and dispositional proclivities with Putin—for one thing, an obsession with the sort of “strength” often associated with dictators. Trump is making it clear that, as president, he would allow Russia to advance its hegemonic interests across Europe and the Middle East. His election would immediately trigger a wave of global instability—much worse than anything we are seeing today—because America’s allies understand that Trump would likely dismantle the post-World War II U.S.-created international order. Many of these countries, feeling abandoned, would likely pursue nuclear weapons programs on their own, leading to a nightmare of proliferation. http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/07/clinton-trump-putin-nato/492332/I've knowing about Paul Manafort working for Viktor Yanukovych, the Ukraine ex-president who now hiding in Russia for a long time ...but i always thought US ntelligence would have killed off Trump run by now.....i guess it starting now
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adrtho
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Quote:Trump told the Times that, should Russia attack a NATO ally, he would first assess whether those nations “have fulfilled their obligations to us.” If they have, he said, he would then come to their defense. everyone in Canberra are now shitting there self, because if NATO is up in the air, ANZUS is up in the air....there will be people with Canberra , looking at the law that can withdraw Australia from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty If Trump wins, Australia must double defense spending
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adrtho wrote: Quote:Trump told the Times that, should Russia attack a NATO ally, he would first assess whether those nations “have fulfilled their obligations to us.” If they have, he said, he would then come to their defense. everyone in Canberra are now shitting there self, because if NATO is up in the air, ANZUS is up in the air....there will be people with Canberra , looking at the law that can withdraw Australia from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty If Trump wins, Australia must double defense spending  Do you think USA would allow China to take Australia?
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adrtho
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Donald Trump Is Sucking Up and Selling Out to Putin Quote:The Donald might be talking tough, but he’s on his knees in front of Russia if he betrays the Western alliance. And that’s what he’s doing. Not long ago, I was sitting with the foreign minister of a European NATO country and thought I might, after a long discussion on Russia, Ukraine, ISIS and Syrian refugees, bring up the subject of Donald J. Trump. At that exact moment, a puffy orange cloud migrated across an overhanging television screen above a CNN chyron (“Trump: Cruz’s Wife ‘Attractive’” or some such), causing the diplomat to lean back in his chair, throw his hands up and say matter-of-factly: “It’s the end of the West.” http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/21/donald-trump-is-sucking-up-and-selling-out-to-putin.html
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adrtho
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scott21 wrote:adrtho wrote: Quote:Trump told the Times that, should Russia attack a NATO ally, he would first assess whether those nations “have fulfilled their obligations to us.” If they have, he said, he would then come to their defense. everyone in Canberra are now shitting there self, because if NATO is up in the air, ANZUS is up in the air....there will be people with Canberra , looking at the law that can withdraw Australia from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty If Trump wins, Australia must double defense spending Do you think USA would allow China to take Australia? your asking the wrong questions it not what you think will happen, it what you think could happen, and what can you do to reduce that risk of the could if it does happen
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adrtho
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there a reason why Australia is buying-building Attack submarine fleet that double the size of the British Royal Navy and French Navy attack submarine fleet
there a reason why Australia per person spends 20% more on military them UK and 30% more then the French
it not because the Australian Government (i'm not talking about Libs or ALP) see peace for ever coming
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paulbagzFC
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Iridium1010 wrote:http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-to-temporarily-suspend-european-convention-on-human-rights-after-coup-attempt.aspx?pageID=238&nid=101910&NewsCatID=338 Fucking lol. Preview to full blown dictatorship. -PBb
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AzzaMarch
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SocaWho wrote: I think you imply that lone wolf and Religous zeal are exclusive of each other if the religion is Islam but if they were Christian then the two go together
Edited by Socawho: 21/7/2016 07:21:09 PM
I don't know how you came to that conclusion. I haven't implied that in the slightest. This is much more indicative of how you interpret things that other people say.
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AzzaMarch
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Aljay wrote: There has been a mess in the ME since 1948. You could even make an argument that it has been a mess for 100 years before that, which is the reason that the British and French found it so easy to colonise and also the reason that they thought it should be colonised - to bring order out of chaos.
Not at all. The British and the French carved the region up for their own economic motives. I t had precisely zero to do with "bringing order out of chaos". In fact, the way they colonised these countries has been precisely the cause of the region's instability: - Borders that make no sense - Putting minority ethnicities in power, and excluding the mass ethnic group, in order to ensure the ruling elite was totally dependent on the English/French for their position of power. Classic Roman "divide and conquer' tactics.
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AzzaMarch
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Iridium1010 wrote: I only skimmed through it, but your post doesnt really help me, is there a page that lists the individual attacks in the west that it's tallying up?
AzzaMarch wrote: The Annex starting on Page 92 goes through their methodology and results in detail.
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And Everyone Blamed Clive
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Fun Fact : Brexit means Britain will be unable to vote to approve Turkeys membership application for the EU
Winner of Official 442 Comment of the day Award - 10th April 2017
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View from the fence wrote:Fun Fact :
Brexit means Britain will be unable to vote to approve Turkeys membership application for the EU Won't bother them. They will lock up the borders lol. -PB
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AzzaMarch wrote:Aljay wrote: There has been a mess in the ME since 1948. You could even make an argument that it has been a mess for 100 years before that, which is the reason that the British and French found it so easy to colonise and also the reason that they thought it should be colonised - to bring order out of chaos.
Not at all. The British and the French carved the region up for their own economic motives. I t had precisely zero to do with "bringing order out of chaos". In fact, the way they colonised these countries has been precisely the cause of the region's instability: - Borders that make no sense - Putting minority ethnicities in power, and excluding the mass ethnic group, in order to ensure the ruling elite was totally dependent on the English/French for their position of power. Classic Roman "divide and conquer' tactics. The creation of Israel was a giant clusterf*ck by the British. To be honest, there should be a 'western sahara' type situation with Jerusalem. It's just my opinion but I feel that nothing good will ever come from trying to 'fairly' separate Jerusalem. I am also dubious about a two state solution without 'neutral zones'. I don't even know if neutral zones would work. The Palestine/Israel issue is beyond a joke.
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AzzaMarch wrote:Iridium1010 wrote: I only skimmed through it, but your post doesnt really help me, is there a page that lists the individual attacks in the west that it's tallying up?
AzzaMarch wrote: The Annex starting on Page 92 goes through their methodology and results in detail.
I can only see 50 worst terrorist attacks in 2014, but i admit im only skimming through it again:lol:
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Ironically France carved up Syria along ethnic/religious lines, but they forcefully reunited again, with the exception of Lebanon. Edited by iridium1010: 22/7/2016 02:43:01 PM
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paulbagzFC wrote:View from the fence wrote:Fun Fact :
Brexit means Britain will be unable to vote to approve Turkeys membership application for the EU Won't bother them. They will lock up the borders lol. -PB Exactly. Kind of funny how all this happens now of all times just as UK bail.
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AzzaMarch
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TheSelectFew wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:View from the fence wrote:Fun Fact :
Brexit means Britain will be unable to vote to approve Turkeys membership application for the EU Won't bother them. They will lock up the borders lol. -PB Exactly. Kind of funny how all this happens now of all times just as UK bail. Not sure what this line of thought is about.... Turkey - EU negotiations have been stalled for well over a decade. Erdogan has lost interest anyway because of the rule of law and human rights requirements. There is no danger of Turkey joining the EU for the foreseeable future. Neither party is interested.
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AzzaMarch wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:View from the fence wrote:Fun Fact :
Brexit means Britain will be unable to vote to approve Turkeys membership application for the EU Won't bother them. They will lock up the borders lol. -PB Exactly. Kind of funny how all this happens now of all times just as UK bail. Not sure what this line of thought is about.... Turkey - EU negotiations have been stalled for well over a decade. Erdogan has lost interest anyway because of the rule of law and human rights requirements. There is no danger of Turkey joining the EU for the foreseeable future. Neither party is interested. Agreed, anything else is just lip service
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Greece must decide what to do with turkish soldiers who fled there 'illegally' when their helicopter came under fire during the coup attempt. send them home to their death? or stand up to erdogan?
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