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Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:Oh btw, you can't be sitting in glass houses throwing stones. I wouldn't be calling Greece xenophobic.
Yes there is a party called Golden Dawn and they did get about 3.5% of the vote and yes they are xenophobic and of the extreme right and probably fascist too. And yes, their supporters have done vulgar things.
But in Australia, you have One Nation. In France you have Le Pen! In the UK you have UKIP. Xenophobia is sweeping across Europe because people are under pressure. Austerity has hit hard and many are unemployed.
But they are hardly representative!
And I still wonder what Australia's excuse is. Because I am starting to scratch my head trying to find an EU country to knock Australia off its dizzy heights of gross HR violations against juveniles in custody. Can someone help? It is so sad that you continue attack the country that you live in. I have not been here many years, I suspect you have been here much longer than I??.... maybe your parents brought you here as a baby??? And yet you still talk about ' you Australians did this... you australians are racist....' I chose to come here as an adult and when I compare it places I have lived or my family lived in europe I am grateful everyday that I have left so much crap behind. But f modern Greek 'culture' suits you.... if the Greek economy looks a winner.....if you like the sound of a place that some American celebrities think is alright..... then just go! This country is using me for my qualifications. I am using it for the money. But let me give you the tip! If you were rich and had to choose between living between Australia or Greece, most people will pick Greece every time! But the time will come when I will take my super and bid Australia Antio! And I will never look back! The rich and famous, will always pick Greece every time! Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 06:03:33 PM Ok, good luck to you and your partner and children if you have them - I hope you all find Greece to be a land of happiness and economic opportunity (I'm sure the news reports and my experience there is actually wrong). Although if you are a big Apoel fan then why not try to Cyprus...have you been? Not so many Hollywood types but a nice change from Adelaide.... .....just as inbred and dull, but a little further back in time. Also the kebabs are better. You just have to put up with being permanently an outsider if you weren't born in the same village as everyone else's cousin! Edited by luckee: 27/7/2016 06:28:18 PM
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luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:Oh btw, you can't be sitting in glass houses throwing stones. I wouldn't be calling Greece xenophobic.
Yes there is a party called Golden Dawn and they did get about 3.5% of the vote and yes they are xenophobic and of the extreme right and probably fascist too. And yes, their supporters have done vulgar things.
But in Australia, you have One Nation. In France you have Le Pen! In the UK you have UKIP. Xenophobia is sweeping across Europe because people are under pressure. Austerity has hit hard and many are unemployed.
But they are hardly representative!
And I still wonder what Australia's excuse is. Because I am starting to scratch my head trying to find an EU country to knock Australia off its dizzy heights of gross HR violations against juveniles in custody. Can someone help? It is so sad that you continue attack the country that you live in. I have not been here many years, I suspect you have been here much longer than I??.... maybe your parents brought you here as a baby??? And yet you still talk about ' you Australians did this... you australians are racist....' I chose to come here as an adult and when I compare it places I have lived or my family lived in europe I am grateful everyday that I have left so much crap behind. But f modern Greek 'culture' suits you.... if the Greek economy looks a winner.....if you like the sound of a place that some American celebrities think is alright..... then just go! This country is using me for my qualifications. I am using it for the money. But let me give you the tip! If you were rich and had to choose between living between Australia or Greece, most people will pick Greece every time! But the time will come when I will take my super and bid Australia Antio! And I will never look back! The rich and famous, will always pick Greece every time! Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 06:03:33 PM Ok, good luck to you and your partner and children if you have them - I hope you all find Greece to be a land of happiness and economic opportunity. Although if you are a big Apoel fan then why not try to Cyprus...have you been? Not so many Hollywood types but a nice change from Adelaide.... .....just as inbred and dull, but a little further back in time. Also the kebabs are better. You just have to put up with being permanently an outsider if you weren't born in the same village as everyone else's cousin! Thanks! My children will remain in Australia and they will visit every year at Daddy's expense. When they get married, I will come to Australia to pay for the wedding and buy them a house! Or I will have them fly over to Greece for a village wedding with 3000 guests where they will get enough money to buy 2 houses! I have a house in Cyprus 2. But I have always dreamed of Greece. This is the country of dreams. I'm not exaggerating at all. Greece is mythical. It is burst bueatiful. It is hard to describe. The people are hard to describe. Greece is a very special country. Believe me when I tell you. If I had you as my guest on the Ionian Coast, you would move there too if you did not have to work. It is a Mediterranean playground! Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 06:34:39 PM
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luckee don't bother with him, he is a troll.
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Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:Oh btw, you can't be sitting in glass houses throwing stones. I wouldn't be calling Greece xenophobic.
Yes there is a party called Golden Dawn and they did get about 3.5% of the vote and yes they are xenophobic and of the extreme right and probably fascist too. And yes, their supporters have done vulgar things.
But in Australia, you have One Nation. In France you have Le Pen! In the UK you have UKIP. Xenophobia is sweeping across Europe because people are under pressure. Austerity has hit hard and many are unemployed.
But they are hardly representative!
And I still wonder what Australia's excuse is. Because I am starting to scratch my head trying to find an EU country to knock Australia off its dizzy heights of gross HR violations against juveniles in custody. Can someone help? It is so sad that you continue attack the country that you live in. I have not been here many years, I suspect you have been here much longer than I??.... maybe your parents brought you here as a baby??? And yet you still talk about ' you Australians did this... you australians are racist....' I chose to come here as an adult and when I compare it places I have lived or my family lived in europe I am grateful everyday that I have left so much crap behind. But f modern Greek 'culture' suits you.... if the Greek economy looks a winner.....if you like the sound of a place that some American celebrities think is alright..... then just go! This country is using me for my qualifications. I am using it for the money. But let me give you the tip! If you were rich and had to choose between living between Australia or Greece, most people will pick Greece every time! But the time will come when I will take my super and bid Australia Antio! And I will never look back! The rich and famous, will always pick Greece every time! Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 06:03:33 PM Ok, good luck to you and your partner and children if you have them - I hope you all find Greece to be a land of happiness and economic opportunity. Although if you are a big Apoel fan then why not try to Cyprus...have you been? Not so many Hollywood types but a nice change from Adelaide.... .....just as inbred and dull, but a little further back in time. Also the kebabs are better. You just have to put up with being permanently an outsider if you weren't born in the same village as everyone else's cousin! Thanks! My children will remain in Australia and they will visit every year at Daddy's expense. When they get married, I will come to Australia to pay for the wedding and buy them a house! Or I will have them fly over to Greece for a village wedding with 3000 guests where they will get enough money to buy 2 houses! I have a house in Cyprus 2. But I have always dreamed of Greece. This is the country of dreams. I'm not exaggerating at all. Greece is mythical. It is burst bueatiful. It is hard to describe. The people are hard to describe. Greece is a very special country. Believe me when I tell you. If I had you as my guest on the Ionian Coast, you would move there too if you did not have to work. It is a Mediterranean playground! Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 06:34:39 PM I know the Ionian. I also know Cyprus. But I prefer Australia because of the people and the more integrated culture. You are right though, the Greek/Cypriot people are hard to describe :-k But I wont be too critical. I am very happy with my lot and in an interesting way I owe many of the opportunities I have had to that Cypriot man (whether I liked him or not). Edit: Thanks Memeboy, noted. Edited by luckee: 27/7/2016 06:49:26 PMEdited by luckee: 27/7/2016 06:52:12 PM
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mcjules wrote:grazorblade wrote:mcjules wrote:Discrimination and alienation is a factor in terrorism, it's not the only factor and I don't think grazorblade believes that to be the case. I took his comments as his opinion on the effectiveness of blanket banning immigration of muslim people. Of course not mentioning in every post that "Islam is the worst religion in history" leaves you open to being an "apologist" and a bunch of other people that try and act tough as if they're "doing something to fix things". thats right it is a factor and one of the few factors we can control unfortunately. The way it is a factor is the degree of crazy it takes to believe violence is justified picture crazy is a spectrum with everyone somewhere on the spectrum and above a certain threshold you are willing to do violence. Dylan roof in the usa was a terrorist in the sense that he was idealogically motivated to violence. But it took a higher level of crazy - and the guy really was insane- to believe that black folk were oppressing white folk. On the flipside a Marine who appeared to have all his marbles committed a terrorist act against police officers because well it takes a lot lower level of crazy to do what he did because of african american marginalization in this case due to police brutality. Muslim alienation isn't nearly as bad as aboriginal or african american alienation but still the level of crazy it takes to commit a terror attack is lower than it could be Frisking muslim "looking" people at airports more often than grandma probably happens anyway but isn't the major cause of alienation. The frisking of grandma is probably just a show to give the appearance of equality anyway. Something like that is a small source of alienation that barely registers as a mild irritation (although anything can be a straw that breaks the camels back I suppose including the bikini example given before but still the bigger loads are the problem) some major sources of alienation in the muslim community are 1. copping racial verbal and physical abuse 2. job discrimination 3. Rumours being spread about what they believe 4. If a parent is an immigrant and a crappy parent the child's immigration status might mean they go without welfare while going through school and this can cause them to meet and mingle with some bad influences (this I have seen personally) One thing that isn't being discussed is the other ways to lower terrorism. One way which we have already implemented is gun control. The Lindt shooter had a crappy gun and only killed a couple*. Perhaps there is nothing that can be done about the following but I'd welcome a discussion on 1. better intelligence practice (I know little about this) 2. the theological influence of theocracies (I can't think of a logistically and ethically sound action to address this) 3. the role of left and right wing conspiracy in terrorist thinking (conspiracy theories by the left and right to attack each other can be used in terrorist propaganda to prove that the west is evil. Perhaps socially discouraging conspiracy theory is a small thing people can do) *The fact that the Lindt shooter was pretty crazy might be a good sign that muslim alienation in Australia isn't as bad yet as it is in other countries Good post grazor. What are your thoughts on the proposal to detain people if there is evidence to show they are likely to be involved in terrorism. Personally I think that law could potentially help but it'd have to be written properly to avoid abuse. detaining people for a crime before its commited makes me nervous as it could be abused. Even if it was done with a jury system it would make me nervous. The reason why we have an innocent till proven guilty system is any other system can be used by governments to control people
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BETHFC wrote:mcjules wrote:Discrimination and alienation is a factor in terrorism, it's not the only factor and I don't think grazorblade believes that to be the case. I took his comments as his opinion on the effectiveness of blanket banning immigration of muslim people. Of course not mentioning in every post that "Islam is the worst religion in history" leaves you open to being an "apologist" and a bunch of other people that try and act tough as if they're "doing something to fix things". This argument would have more power if they were the only group facing discrimination and alienation. I think that's why there is a negative reaction to this point. It's so easy to say "well why aren't Africans who are forced to sell key rings on the streets of Paris" blowing people up"? My response would be several fold 1. actually african americans in the usa have had terrorist movements. Malcom x was a violent protest movement. In Baton rouge there was recently a terrorist attack from blm protestors. I'd be interested in class controlled homicide rates from different marginalized groups throughout the west. Even if you include terrorist attacks its not clear to me that muslims would be more violent 2. marginalization is one factor but it isn't the only factor. The reason to focus on it is it is one of the few factors we can control and would make a difference 3. there are a couple of other differences between muslims and other marginilized groups. a) We haven't recently invaded an african country outside of the oil belt like we have muslim countries. We have had a lot more controversial and violent intervention recently in muslim majority countries b) Islamic theocracies have historically promoted anti-western sentiment and conspiracy. One of the effects of (awful but in this case convenient for us) colonialism was Christians from 3rd world countries were given pro-western propaganda. However, some muslims are given "the west is satan" propaganda which can be more plausible if you have been marginalized. c) specifically in the case of isis they are butchers trying to cut off the escape of those fleeing for their lives. Their periodical speaks more hatred to "fake muslims" who flee from them or don't join them than it does for any other people group. They want to marginalize muslims partly because they think this will bring about the end times, partly because they want to undermine the safe refuges of those who want to flee from their butchery so that refugees will have no protection from them and partly because they have a theory that if muslims are marginilized they will be forced to either abandon their faith or join isis. Their awful thinking can be accessed via isis's periodical
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grazorblade wrote:mcjules wrote:grazorblade wrote:mcjules wrote:Discrimination and alienation is a factor in terrorism, it's not the only factor and I don't think grazorblade believes that to be the case. I took his comments as his opinion on the effectiveness of blanket banning immigration of muslim people. Of course not mentioning in every post that "Islam is the worst religion in history" leaves you open to being an "apologist" and a bunch of other people that try and act tough as if they're "doing something to fix things". thats right it is a factor and one of the few factors we can control unfortunately. The way it is a factor is the degree of crazy it takes to believe violence is justified picture crazy is a spectrum with everyone somewhere on the spectrum and above a certain threshold you are willing to do violence. Dylan roof in the usa was a terrorist in the sense that he was idealogically motivated to violence. But it took a higher level of crazy - and the guy really was insane- to believe that black folk were oppressing white folk. On the flipside a Marine who appeared to have all his marbles committed a terrorist act against police officers because well it takes a lot lower level of crazy to do what he did because of african american marginalization in this case due to police brutality. Muslim alienation isn't nearly as bad as aboriginal or african american alienation but still the level of crazy it takes to commit a terror attack is lower than it could be Frisking muslim "looking" people at airports more often than grandma probably happens anyway but isn't the major cause of alienation. The frisking of grandma is probably just a show to give the appearance of equality anyway. Something like that is a small source of alienation that barely registers as a mild irritation (although anything can be a straw that breaks the camels back I suppose including the bikini example given before but still the bigger loads are the problem) some major sources of alienation in the muslim community are 1. copping racial verbal and physical abuse 2. job discrimination 3. Rumours being spread about what they believe 4. If a parent is an immigrant and a crappy parent the child's immigration status might mean they go without welfare while going through school and this can cause them to meet and mingle with some bad influences (this I have seen personally) One thing that isn't being discussed is the other ways to lower terrorism. One way which we have already implemented is gun control. The Lindt shooter had a crappy gun and only killed a couple*. Perhaps there is nothing that can be done about the following but I'd welcome a discussion on 1. better intelligence practice (I know little about this) 2. the theological influence of theocracies (I can't think of a logistically and ethically sound action to address this) 3. the role of left and right wing conspiracy in terrorist thinking (conspiracy theories by the left and right to attack each other can be used in terrorist propaganda to prove that the west is evil. Perhaps socially discouraging conspiracy theory is a small thing people can do) *The fact that the Lindt shooter was pretty crazy might be a good sign that muslim alienation in Australia isn't as bad yet as it is in other countries Good post grazor. What are your thoughts on the proposal to detain people if there is evidence to show they are likely to be involved in terrorism. Personally I think that law could potentially help but it'd have to be written properly to avoid abuse. detaining people for a crime before its commited makes me nervous as it could be abused. Even if it was done with a jury system it would make me nervous. The reason why we have an innocent till proven guilty system is any other system can be used by governments to control people Yeah it makes me nervous too, governments (especially this one) have a habit of giving themselves plenty of leeway when it comes to things like this. Actually found a good article on this later today https://theconversation.com/will-post-sentence-detention-of-convicted-terrorists-make-australia-any-safer-62980Personally, provided the bar for post sentence detention is set appropriately high I think the positives outweigh the negatives.
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luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:Oh btw, you can't be sitting in glass houses throwing stones. I wouldn't be calling Greece xenophobic.
Yes there is a party called Golden Dawn and they did get about 3.5% of the vote and yes they are xenophobic and of the extreme right and probably fascist too. And yes, their supporters have done vulgar things.
But in Australia, you have One Nation. In France you have Le Pen! In the UK you have UKIP. Xenophobia is sweeping across Europe because people are under pressure. Austerity has hit hard and many are unemployed.
But they are hardly representative!
And I still wonder what Australia's excuse is. Because I am starting to scratch my head trying to find an EU country to knock Australia off its dizzy heights of gross HR violations against juveniles in custody. Can someone help? It is so sad that you continue attack the country that you live in. I have not been here many years, I suspect you have been here much longer than I??.... maybe your parents brought you here as a baby??? And yet you still talk about ' you Australians did this... you australians are racist....' I chose to come here as an adult and when I compare it places I have lived or my family lived in europe I am grateful everyday that I have left so much crap behind. But f modern Greek 'culture' suits you.... if the Greek economy looks a winner.....if you like the sound of a place that some American celebrities think is alright..... then just go! This country is using me for my qualifications. I am using it for the money. But let me give you the tip! If you were rich and had to choose between living between Australia or Greece, most people will pick Greece every time! But the time will come when I will take my super and bid Australia Antio! And I will never look back! The rich and famous, will always pick Greece every time! Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 06:03:33 PM Ok, good luck to you and your partner and children if you have them - I hope you all find Greece to be a land of happiness and economic opportunity. Although if you are a big Apoel fan then why not try to Cyprus...have you been? Not so many Hollywood types but a nice change from Adelaide.... .....just as inbred and dull, but a little further back in time. Also the kebabs are better. You just have to put up with being permanently an outsider if you weren't born in the same village as everyone else's cousin! Thanks! My children will remain in Australia and they will visit every year at Daddy's expense. When they get married, I will come to Australia to pay for the wedding and buy them a house! Or I will have them fly over to Greece for a village wedding with 3000 guests where they will get enough money to buy 2 houses! I have a house in Cyprus 2. But I have always dreamed of Greece. This is the country of dreams. I'm not exaggerating at all. Greece is mythical. It is burst bueatiful. It is hard to describe. The people are hard to describe. Greece is a very special country. Believe me when I tell you. If I had you as my guest on the Ionian Coast, you would move there too if you did not have to work. It is a Mediterranean playground! Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 06:34:39 PM I know the Ionian. I also know Cyprus. But I prefer Australia because of the people and the more integrated culture. You are right though, the Greek/Cypriot people are hard to describe :-k But I wont be too critical. I am very happy with my lot and in an interesting way I owe many of the opportunities I have had to that Cypriot man (whether I liked him or not). Edit: Thanks Memeboy, noted. Edited by luckee: 27/7/2016 06:49:26 PMEdited by luckee: 27/7/2016 06:52:12 PM Don't worry!u expect nothing else from you. Too many years in this country and you probably are an Anglo! Don't make me laugh about integration because there is not even an Australian culture or Australian food apart from what you stole!
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So a story that's gone relatively between the cracks is the ACCC raids on the CFMEU HQ in Canberra. Be interesting to see what comes out of this probe. -PB
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BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:Australia is as racist as the best of them. A very sick and broken country with no compassion or dignity. I find this a very unusual comment if you are from Europe and not my experience at all thankfully. Maybe childhood nostalgia for Greece. MAybe you didnt see the racism in Greece because you fit in? Believe me mate. Europe is not as racist as Australia is, with some minor exceptions from the Northern Scandinavian countries, Germany and Australia and possibly France. So many that that are far ahead of all of them including Australia. In fact I am not sure why I would even mention Australia, because what we have seen here, is bordering on South Africa during Apartheid. When you have Australian citizens from Academia changing their names, then I'm really sorry, but we have a BIG problem in this country. A very BIG problem. Ever been to Serbia, Croatia, Hungary? :roll: Stupid comment. what do you mean....90% of his post are hysterical drivel....ranting on about anything that floods his juvenile delinquent mind ......
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Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:Oh btw, you can't be sitting in glass houses throwing stones. I wouldn't be calling Greece xenophobic.
Yes there is a party called Golden Dawn and they did get about 3.5% of the vote and yes they are xenophobic and of the extreme right and probably fascist too. And yes, their supporters have done vulgar things.
But in Australia, you have One Nation. In France you have Le Pen! In the UK you have UKIP. Xenophobia is sweeping across Europe because people are under pressure. Austerity has hit hard and many are unemployed.
But they are hardly representative!
And I still wonder what Australia's excuse is. Because I am starting to scratch my head trying to find an EU country to knock Australia off its dizzy heights of gross HR violations against juveniles in custody. Can someone help? It is so sad that you continue attack the country that you live in. I have not been here many years, I suspect you have been here much longer than I??.... maybe your parents brought you here as a baby??? And yet you still talk about ' you Australians did this... you australians are racist....' I chose to come here as an adult and when I compare it places I have lived or my family lived in europe I am grateful everyday that I have left so much crap behind. But f modern Greek 'culture' suits you.... if the Greek economy looks a winner.....if you like the sound of a place that some American celebrities think is alright..... then just go! This country is using me for my qualifications. I am using it for the money. But let me give you the tip! If you were rich and had to choose between living between Australia or Greece, most people will pick Greece every time! But the time will come when I will take my super and bid Australia Antio! And I will never look back! The rich and famous, will always pick Greece every time! Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 06:03:33 PM Ok, good luck to you and your partner and children if you have them - I hope you all find Greece to be a land of happiness and economic opportunity. Although if you are a big Apoel fan then why not try to Cyprus...have you been? Not so many Hollywood types but a nice change from Adelaide.... .....just as inbred and dull, but a little further back in time. Also the kebabs are better. You just have to put up with being permanently an outsider if you weren't born in the same village as everyone else's cousin! Thanks! My children will remain in Australia and they will visit every year at Daddy's expense. When they get married, I will come to Australia to pay for the wedding and buy them a house! Or I will have them fly over to Greece for a village wedding with 3000 guests where they will get enough money to buy 2 houses! I have a house in Cyprus 2. But I have always dreamed of Greece. This is the country of dreams. I'm not exaggerating at all. Greece is mythical. It is burst bueatiful. It is hard to describe. The people are hard to describe. Greece is a very special country. Believe me when I tell you. If I had you as my guest on the Ionian Coast, you would move there too if you did not have to work. It is a Mediterranean playground! Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 06:34:39 PM I know the Ionian. I also know Cyprus. But I prefer Australia because of the people and the more integrated culture. You are right though, the Greek/Cypriot people are hard to describe :-k But I wont be too critical. I am very happy with my lot and in an interesting way I owe many of the opportunities I have had to that Cypriot man (whether I liked him or not). Edit: Thanks Memeboy, noted. Edited by luckee: 27/7/2016 06:49:26 PMEdited by luckee: 27/7/2016 06:52:12 PM Don't worry!u expect nothing else from you. Too many years in this country and you probably are an Anglo! Don't make me laugh about integration because there is not even an Australian culture or Australian food apart from what you stole! can't wait till you leave and we see the arse end of you....whinging sniveling wimp .....full of delusions of grandeur and hysterical nostalgia.......fuck off to your so called paradise and don't come back....suits us fine you stupid fuckstick
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You can tell aikhme was probably called a wog once and it cut him up so bad he's had an axe to grind ever since. Like most bitter people who feel rejected by this country he ignores all the beautiful parts such as our sunny beaches, strong economy , beautiful rainforests, tolerance for other races (as confirmed by the OECD) and targets our one supposed weakness which is culture, despite Australia being one of the most culturally rich diverse countries on the planet, compared to Greece's singular mono culture. You wont find too many anglo's upset about not having a national fonz dance or leaf hat as part of our dress code, we don't have time for that nonsense, too busy surfing, fishing, boating, winning gold medals, whatever tickles our fancy.
Straya is a top country aikhme, one of the best in fact. I'm not one to bleat on about how Australia is the best country in the world but if you were to list all of Australia's pros and cons and compare them with Greece we would wipe the floor with you. I can say proudly and objectively Australia is a better country than Greece, no amount of denigration of this beautiful land or faux nationalistic fist pumping for Greece will refute the facts. After all there has to be a reason Greece such a large international diaspora and Melbourne the second biggest Greek community outside of Athens :p
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Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:luckee wrote:Aikhme wrote:Oh btw, you can't be sitting in glass houses throwing stones. I wouldn't be calling Greece xenophobic.
Yes there is a party called Golden Dawn and they did get about 3.5% of the vote and yes they are xenophobic and of the extreme right and probably fascist too. And yes, their supporters have done vulgar things.
But in Australia, you have One Nation. In France you have Le Pen! In the UK you have UKIP. Xenophobia is sweeping across Europe because people are under pressure. Austerity has hit hard and many are unemployed.
But they are hardly representative!
And I still wonder what Australia's excuse is. Because I am starting to scratch my head trying to find an EU country to knock Australia off its dizzy heights of gross HR violations against juveniles in custody. Can someone help? It is so sad that you continue attack the country that you live in. I have not been here many years, I suspect you have been here much longer than I??.... maybe your parents brought you here as a baby??? And yet you still talk about ' you Australians did this... you australians are racist....' I chose to come here as an adult and when I compare it places I have lived or my family lived in europe I am grateful everyday that I have left so much crap behind. But f modern Greek 'culture' suits you.... if the Greek economy looks a winner.....if you like the sound of a place that some American celebrities think is alright..... then just go! This country is using me for my qualifications. I am using it for the money. But let me give you the tip! If you were rich and had to choose between living between Australia or Greece, most people will pick Greece every time! But the time will come when I will take my super and bid Australia Antio! And I will never look back! The rich and famous, will always pick Greece every time! Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 06:03:33 PM Ok, good luck to you and your partner and children if you have them - I hope you all find Greece to be a land of happiness and economic opportunity. Although if you are a big Apoel fan then why not try to Cyprus...have you been? Not so many Hollywood types but a nice change from Adelaide.... .....just as inbred and dull, but a little further back in time. Also the kebabs are better. You just have to put up with being permanently an outsider if you weren't born in the same village as everyone else's cousin! Thanks! My children will remain in Australia and they will visit every year at Daddy's expense. When they get married, I will come to Australia to pay for the wedding and buy them a house! Or I will have them fly over to Greece for a village wedding with 3000 guests where they will get enough money to buy 2 houses! I have a house in Cyprus 2. But I have always dreamed of Greece. This is the country of dreams. I'm not exaggerating at all. Greece is mythical. It is burst bueatiful. It is hard to describe. The people are hard to describe. Greece is a very special country. Believe me when I tell you. If I had you as my guest on the Ionian Coast, you would move there too if you did not have to work. It is a Mediterranean playground! Edited by Aikhme: 27/7/2016 06:34:39 PM I know the Ionian. I also know Cyprus. But I prefer Australia because of the people and the more integrated culture. You are right though, the Greek/Cypriot people are hard to describe :-k But I wont be too critical. I am very happy with my lot and in an interesting way I owe many of the opportunities I have had to that Cypriot man (whether I liked him or not). Edit: Thanks Memeboy, noted. Edited by luckee: 27/7/2016 06:49:26 PMEdited by luckee: 27/7/2016 06:52:12 PM Don't worry!u expect nothing else from you. Too many years in this country and you probably are an Anglo! I probably know Greece and Cyprus better than you do!!!!! Like I said, I have only been here a few years and I'm not Anglo. You have been here all your life.... but you hate it!!?? This confirms you didn't grow up in Europe and that you are both naive and nostalgic for a life you never really knew. It is very sad what Greece and Cyprus have become.
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Aikhme strikes me as someone old, like 40s. -PB
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paulbagzFC wrote:Aikhme strikes me as someone old, like 40s.
-PB You may be right but please don't call 40s old, won't be long until I'm there :lol: Edited by mcjules: 28/7/2016 10:23:51 AM
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My response would be several fold
1. actually african americans in the usa have had terrorist movements. Malcom x was a violent protest movement. In Baton rouge there was recently a terrorist attack from blm protestors. I'd be interested in class controlled homicide rates from different marginalized groups throughout the west. Even if you include terrorist attacks its not clear to me that muslims would be more violent
Sorry, my reason for bringing up Africans was that I saw them all around Paris trying to sell us nic-nacs. It's a tough job and they cop a lot of abuse. However they don't seem to be causing much trouble, certainly no more than any other group. Africans around the world have been involved in terrorist activities. Was it the black panthers in the 70's who were involved in a few targeted attacks? grazorblade wrote:
2. marginalization is one factor but it isn't the only factor. The reason to focus on it is it is one of the few factors we can control and would make a difference
How do we act upon it? How are we to approach it? Other than educating out general attitudes such as causal racism and public discrimination, in a work environment, communication is an issue. In a work environment, the people we hire are based on our clients. As I said elsewhere in this thread, we have a Bosnian who works for us with very decent communication skills who still has issues in our workplace dealing with clients over communication. It's not racist, our clients just don't have the time for it. grazorblade wrote:
3. there are a couple of other differences between muslims and other marginilized groups.
a) We haven't recently invaded an african country outside of the oil belt like we have muslim countries. We have had a lot more controversial and violent intervention recently in muslim majority countries
Indeed, but the negative actions (such as civilians dying etc.) have been overplayed by the anti-war groups. Even on this forum it's clear to see that some people have absolutely no idea how war works and cannot accept collateral damage. One major issue seems to be that following the first Gulf War, the USA refused to leave Saudi Arabia at the end of the conflict. grazorblade wrote:
b) Islamic theocracies have historically promoted anti-western sentiment and conspiracy. One of the effects of (awful but in this case convenient for us) colonialism was Christians from 3rd world countries were given pro-western propaganda. However, some muslims are given "the west is satan" propaganda which can be more plausible if you have been marginalized.
Indeed so why do we tolerate this? Do we need these people in our countries? Their anti-west agenda doesn't seem to stop them flooding into western countries for a better life. I'm all for people having freedom of speech but a lot of anti-west sentiment is hate speech which is unacceptable. It gets brushed under the rug because it's not a white male criticising a minority group. grazorblade wrote:
c) specifically in the case of isis they are butchers trying to cut off the escape of those fleeing for their lives. Their periodical speaks more hatred to "fake muslims" who flee from them or don't join them than it does for any other people group. They want to marginalize muslims partly because they think this will bring about the end times, partly because they want to undermine the safe refuges of those who want to flee from their butchery so that refugees will have no protection from them and partly because they have a theory that if muslims are marginilized they will be forced to either abandon their faith or join isis. Their awful thinking can be accessed via isis's periodical
I agree with this.
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Sorry, my reason for bringing up Africans was that I saw them all around Paris trying to sell us nic-nacs. It's a tough job and they cop a lot of abuse. However they don't seem to be causing much trouble, certainly no more than any other group.
Africans around the world have been involved in terrorist activities. Was it the black panthers in the 70's who were involved in a few targeted attacks?
yes and there was a recent attack from a black lives matter protestor who snipered a few cops. (I say this as a support of blm). There was also dylan roof who was a white anti black protestor who shot up a black church because he thought black people were oppressing whites. Needless to say dylan roof was a lot crazier than the black one so its a good example of how marganilization affects the level of crazy it takes to become violent. Incidentally the lindt shooter seemed pretty crazy so perhaps thats a good sign that marginilization of muslims in australia isn't at the level it is in other countries BETHFC wrote:
How do we act upon it? How are we to approach it? Other than educating out general attitudes such as causal racism and public discrimination, in a work environment, communication is an issue. In a work environment, the people we hire are based on our clients. As I said elsewhere in this thread, we have a Bosnian who works for us with very decent communication skills who still has issues in our workplace dealing with clients over communication. It's not racist, our clients just don't have the time for it.
Not sure of a comprehensive plan. Some preliminary suggestions to discuss are 1. work place affirmative action (controversial but effective) 2. integration programs including help with language 3. non-government based social interactions (social clubs creating social interactions) 4. just calling out anyone who makes bigoted comments about muslims. Little slactivist things like the ill ride with you made campaign meant a lot to some muslims I'll know so never dismiss slactivism BETHFC wrote:
3. there are a couple of other differences between muslims and other marginilized groups.
a) We haven't recently invaded an african country outside of the oil belt like we have muslim countries. We have had a lot more controversial and violent intervention recently in muslim majority countries
Indeed, but the negative actions (such as civilians dying etc.) have been overplayed by the anti-war groups. Even on this forum it's clear to see that some people have absolutely no idea how war works and cannot accept collateral damage.
One major issue seems to be that following the first Gulf War, the USA refused to leave Saudi Arabia at the end of the conflict.
Not much we can do about it now I suppose. Some of it though has been underplayed by the media. Like how iran was pretty democratic muslim country until massedegh wanted to nationalize the oil and eisenhower overthrew him as a result and installed a dictator in his place. The west's support of Israel is also a major sore point for muslims BETHFC wrote:
Indeed so why do we tolerate this? Do we need these people in our countries? Their anti-west agenda doesn't seem to stop them flooding into western countries for a better life.
I'm all for people having freedom of speech but a lot of anti-west sentiment is hate speech which is unacceptable. It gets brushed under the rug because it's not a white male criticising a minority group.
Its challenging, if we don't educate ourselves about how we benefit from the harms done by colonialism then people can resent the third world for being poor when we had a part in it, or they might have resentment about foreign aid. So a mature conversation about the wrongs of our past is needed. But at the moment the cultural dichotomy given to even white people along the left-right spectrum is either whitewashing our past and celebrating western cultural and moral output or ignoring the cultural acheivements of the west to focus on its sins. A frequent meme on the cultural right is to complain that western pride is bad but asian/black pride is good. But western pride is never modeled well, it involved minimizing and whitewashing past wrongs which usually leads to racism I would also add that just because islamic theocracies have spread anti-western propganda deosn't mean there aren't many very patriotic muslims in western countries, including members of the military. Its just that the propaganda war is a factor
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yes and there was a recent attack from a black lives matter protestor who snipered a few cops. (I say this as a support of blm). There was also dylan roof who was a white anti black protestor who shot up a black church because he thought black people were oppressing whites. Needless to say dylan roof was a lot crazier than the black one so its a good example of how marganilization affects the level of crazy it takes to become violent. Incidentally the lindt shooter seemed pretty crazy so perhaps thats a good sign that marginilization of muslims in australia isn't at the level it is in other countries
I support equality for black people but there was a hilarious mobile phone video of BLM protestors forcing white supports of their movement to the back of their demonstration. Pretty hilarious :lol: grazorblade wrote:
Not sure of a comprehensive plan. Some preliminary suggestions to discuss are
1. work place affirmative action (controversial but effective)
2. integration programs including help with language
3. non-government based social interactions (social clubs creating social interactions)
4. just calling out anyone who makes bigoted comments about muslims. Little slactivist things like the ill ride with you made campaign meant a lot to some muslims I'll know so never dismiss slactivism
I think we should teach kids about Islam in school. A lot of misinformation exists about Islam. We fear what we do not understand and Islam is a very foreign concept to our western ways. A lot of people will bitch and moan but lets face it, our schools are a breeding ground for Christian indoctrination the way things are going. Comparative religious teaching doesn't exist. grazorblade wrote:
Not much we can do about it now I suppose. Some of it though has been underplayed by the media. Like how iran was pretty democratic muslim country until massedegh wanted to nationalize the oil and eisenhower overthrew him as a result and installed a dictator in his place. The west's support of Israel is also a major sore point for muslims
The Palestine-Israel conflict is a tough one. Muslims unconditionally support Palestine. I've never had a good discussion/debate about Israel. There's a lot of misinformation and unrealistic expectations when it comes to these discussions. A good starting point is that both sides are as bad as each other. grazorblade wrote:
Its challenging, if we don't educate ourselves about how we benefit from the harms done by colonialism then people can resent the third world for being poor when we had a part in it, or they might have resentment about foreign aid. So a mature conversation about the wrongs of our past is needed. But at the moment the cultural dichotomy given to even white people along the left-right spectrum is either whitewashing our past and celebrating western cultural and moral output or ignoring the cultural acheivements of the west to focus on its sins. A frequent meme on the cultural right is to complain that western pride is bad but asian/black pride is good. But western pride is never modeled well, it involved minimizing and whitewashing past wrongs which usually leads to racism
I would also add that just because islamic theocracies have spread anti-western propganda deosn't mean there aren't many very patriotic muslims in western countries, including members of the military. Its just that the propaganda war is a factor
We benefit from colonialism of course but what are we meant to do about it? Are we meant to feel guilt for the wrongs done before we were born? It disgusts me that aboriginals were treated under the flora and fauna act until the 60's. The African slave trade for hundreds of years disgusts me. It disgusts me that Martin Luther King Jr. gave his life for equal rights for African Americans. I was born 22 years after he died. I have a massive problem with trying to attribute blame/culpability for things that happened before today's generation was alive to change it. There's a big problem for me in accepting culpability for things we had no chance of ever stopping. I don't see what the discussion about our 'wrongs' would achieve. All we'll do is open old wounds. The people responsible for some of the most horrific wrongs are long dead. What meaning is there in apologising for something today's generation didn't do? What sins are we answering for? Sadly western pride is always modelled unfavourably. It's as if we're not allowed to celebrate our identity because our celebration is somehow linked to celebrating the wrongs done in the past which is offensive to other groups. An example is Australia day. I for one agree that the 26th of January is not an appropriate day for this celebration. However, irrespective of the date it eventually gets linked to 'invasion day' and so on and a celebration of 'taking over'.
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understanding the wrongs of our past is important because a lot of people look at people who still suffer from the residual effects of collonialism as proof that those groups are inherently inferior. Understanding our past and the truth of it and our relationship with it including how we benefit from the same history that effects that hurts them can bring compassion and understanding. Perhaps they might even want to contribute to righting the wrongs of the past even if it costs them - after all many have reasoned that if they inherit the burdens of collonialism is it too unreasonable to inherit the burdens as well? Having said that if education done in a way to make people feel guilty that seems pretty pointless
I'd be pretty happy if islam was taught in schools as well as Christianity I think that would bring understanding. Doesn't need to be comparative religion just a verbatim reading of the quran and hadith along with a summary of how different groups in the muslim world understand it and apply it plus the history of a few muslim countries could go a long way
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grazorblade wrote:understanding the wrongs of our past is important because a lot of people look at people who still suffer from the residual effects of collonialism as proof that those groups are inherently inferior. Understanding our past and the truth of it and our relationship with it including how we benefit from the same history that effects that hurts them can bring compassion and understanding. Perhaps they might even want to contribute to righting the wrongs of the past even if it costs them - after all many have reasoned that if they inherit the burdens of collonialism is it too unreasonable to inherit the burdens as well? Having said that if education done in a way to make people feel guilty that seems pretty pointless
I'd be pretty happy if islam was taught in schools as well as Christianity I think that would bring understanding. Doesn't need to be comparative religion just a verbatim reading of the quran and hadith along with a summary of how different groups in the muslim world understand it and apply it plus the history of a few muslim countries could go a long way What if a verbatim reading of the quran entrenched ideas rathered than explained them? There's some pretty horrible verses in there with nowhere near the wriggle room that Christianity has between the Old and New testaments.
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grazorblade wrote:understanding the wrongs of our past is important because a lot of people look at people who still suffer from the residual effects of collonialism as proof that those groups are inherently inferior. Understanding our past and the truth of it and our relationship with it including how we benefit from the same history that effects that hurts them can bring compassion and understanding. Perhaps they might even want to contribute to righting the wrongs of the past even if it costs them - after all many have reasoned that if they inherit the burdens of collonialism is it too unreasonable to inherit the burdens as well? Having said that if education done in a way to make people feel guilty that seems pretty pointless There is understanding and accepting but what does that achieve other than what you state (compassion/understanding)? Lets say we all nationally accept that Captain Cook was an invader. What does that achieve? Does there need to be something tangible? How do we right the wrongs? Compensation? How do you agree what's fair? Too little and nothing changes, it would be viewed as offensive. Too much and everyone is screwed. Compensation for this sort of thing is a slippery slope. I will leave the country if it ever happens. grazorblade wrote:
I'd be pretty happy if islam was taught in schools as well as Christianity I think that would bring understanding. Doesn't need to be comparative religion just a verbatim reading of the quran and hadith along with a summary of how different groups in the muslim world understand it and apply it plus the history of a few muslim countries could go a long way
A good start would be explaining Islamic dress and mannerisms that look so unfamiliar to us. What is a burqa or a hijab. Why are they worn by women. Why do women choose to wear them. That sort of stuff. Maybe an explanation of prayer and some information about Mosques i.e. why muslims pray 5 times a day, why they wash their feet before entering a mosque. Just the basics which we identify with in public places.
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BETHFC wrote:
There is understanding and accepting but what does that achieve other than what you state (compassion/understanding)? Lets say we all nationally accept that Captain Cook was an invader. What does that achieve? Does there need to be something tangible?
How do we right the wrongs? Compensation? How do you agree what's fair? Too little and nothing changes, it would be viewed as offensive. Too much and everyone is screwed. Compensation for this sort of thing is a slippery slope. I will leave the country if it ever happens.
Everyone will have different opinions on how to write the wrongs but a conversation about that can't even occur on reasonable terms until we understand the past in detail. Calling captain cook an invader is just a word. Learning specifics and detail about the history of our interactions with aboriginals for that example would help a big deal with the conversation. I think if you have a lot of knowledge of these things its a lot harder to say "boohoo get over it". Would an informed australia then decide to go with reparations as a solution? Hard to say (personally I wouldn't mind) but an informed Australia is always going to make better decisions than an uninformed one bethfc wrote:
A good start would be explaining Islamic dress and mannerisms that look so unfamiliar to us. What is a burqa or a hijab. Why are they worn by women. Why do women choose to wear them. That sort of stuff. Maybe an explanation of prayer and some information about Mosques i.e. why muslims pray 5 times a day, why they wash their feet before entering a mosque. Just the basics which we identify with in public places.
that would be good
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Toughlove wrote:grazorblade wrote:understanding the wrongs of our past is important because a lot of people look at people who still suffer from the residual effects of collonialism as proof that those groups are inherently inferior. Understanding our past and the truth of it and our relationship with it including how we benefit from the same history that effects that hurts them can bring compassion and understanding. Perhaps they might even want to contribute to righting the wrongs of the past even if it costs them - after all many have reasoned that if they inherit the burdens of collonialism is it too unreasonable to inherit the burdens as well? Having said that if education done in a way to make people feel guilty that seems pretty pointless
I'd be pretty happy if islam was taught in schools as well as Christianity I think that would bring understanding. Doesn't need to be comparative religion just a verbatim reading of the quran and hadith along with a summary of how different groups in the muslim world understand it and apply it plus the history of a few muslim countries could go a long way What if a verbatim reading of the quran entrenched ideas rathered than explained them? There's some pretty horrible verses in there with nowhere near the wriggle room that Christianity has between the Old and New testaments. I tend to think bad ideas survive less if it is discussed amicably in public - including a way reading of a religious book to justify something immoral (I did find that a conservative reading of the quran had some concerning consequences, not terrorism but other things). Thats not a guarantee just the best option in my opinion (as opposed to some reading it in private with a person who is a good manipulator) I kind of wish the Bible was read more in school so that some of the things the religious right say would be seen through
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Everyone will have different opinions on how to write the wrongs but a conversation about that can't even occur on reasonable terms until we understand the past in detail. Calling captain cook an invader is just a word. Learning specifics and detail about the history of our interactions with aboriginals for that example would help a big deal with the conversation. I think if you have a lot of knowledge of these things its a lot harder to say "boohoo get over it". Would an informed australia then decide to go with reparations as a solution? Hard to say (personally I wouldn't mind) but an informed Australia is always going to make better decisions than an uninformed one
That would have to start with the generation coming through. It's too late for most of us who are completely unaware about most of the grim history, simply because it's never brought up and we weren't taught about it at school. Personally it's not a case of "get over it" but more a case of "what am I meant to say to make things better". If we're meant to feel sorry for what happened to aboriginals why don't we apologise to Jewish victims of the holocaust while we're at it? Reparations are a slippery slope. They have been a disaster in New Zealand with land claims. Nothing has changed. I can see people pushing for reparations but I can't see anything good coming from it. Taking from one group to give to another will divide the country.
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grazorblade wrote:Toughlove wrote:grazorblade wrote:understanding the wrongs of our past is important because a lot of people look at people who still suffer from the residual effects of collonialism as proof that those groups are inherently inferior. Understanding our past and the truth of it and our relationship with it including how we benefit from the same history that effects that hurts them can bring compassion and understanding. Perhaps they might even want to contribute to righting the wrongs of the past even if it costs them - after all many have reasoned that if they inherit the burdens of collonialism is it too unreasonable to inherit the burdens as well? Having said that if education done in a way to make people feel guilty that seems pretty pointless
I'd be pretty happy if islam was taught in schools as well as Christianity I think that would bring understanding. Doesn't need to be comparative religion just a verbatim reading of the quran and hadith along with a summary of how different groups in the muslim world understand it and apply it plus the history of a few muslim countries could go a long way What if a verbatim reading of the quran entrenched ideas rathered than explained them? There's some pretty horrible verses in there with nowhere near the wriggle room that Christianity has between the Old and New testaments. I tend to think bad ideas survive less if it is discussed amicably in public - including a way reading of a religious book to justify something immoral (I did find that a conservative reading of the quran had some concerning consequences, not terrorism but other things). Thats not a guarantee just the best option in my opinion (as opposed to some reading it in private with a person who is a good manipulator) I kind of wish the Bible was read more in school so that some of the things the religious right say would be seen through Blasphamy!!!!! Deuteronomy 13:26 'Eat a big bag of dicks!'
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BETHFC wrote:grazorblade wrote:
Everyone will have different opinions on how to write the wrongs but a conversation about that can't even occur on reasonable terms until we understand the past in detail. Calling captain cook an invader is just a word. Learning specifics and detail about the history of our interactions with aboriginals for that example would help a big deal with the conversation. I think if you have a lot of knowledge of these things its a lot harder to say "boohoo get over it". Would an informed australia then decide to go with reparations as a solution? Hard to say (personally I wouldn't mind) but an informed Australia is always going to make better decisions than an uninformed one
That would have to start with the generation coming through. It's too late for most of us who are completely unaware about most of the grim history, simply because it's never brought up and we weren't taught about it at school. Personally it's not a case of "get over it" but more a case of "what am I meant to say to make things better". If we're meant to feel sorry for what happened to aboriginals why don't we apologise to Jewish victims of the holocaust while we're at it? Reparations are a slippery slope. They have been a disaster in New Zealand with land claims. Nothing has changed. I can see people pushing for reparations but I can't see anything good coming from it. Taking from one group to give to another will divide the country. The opportunity and prospects of the maori are surely better than the australian aboriginal wouldn't you agree? I'm not sure what you mean by slippery slope. Do you mean that they inevitably lead to more reperations? But that may not be the solution people come up with. They may just want to help the current generation for example. Apparently aboriginals claim that police brutality is a problem in australia too despite it not being as straight forward as being shot in the face https://newmatilda.com/2016/07/13/without-video-evidence-australians-find-it-hard-to-believe-that-black-lives-matter/the documentary series first contact is a good place to start too.
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grazorblade wrote:BETHFC wrote:grazorblade wrote:
Everyone will have different opinions on how to write the wrongs but a conversation about that can't even occur on reasonable terms until we understand the past in detail. Calling captain cook an invader is just a word. Learning specifics and detail about the history of our interactions with aboriginals for that example would help a big deal with the conversation. I think if you have a lot of knowledge of these things its a lot harder to say "boohoo get over it". Would an informed australia then decide to go with reparations as a solution? Hard to say (personally I wouldn't mind) but an informed Australia is always going to make better decisions than an uninformed one
That would have to start with the generation coming through. It's too late for most of us who are completely unaware about most of the grim history, simply because it's never brought up and we weren't taught about it at school. Personally it's not a case of "get over it" but more a case of "what am I meant to say to make things better". If we're meant to feel sorry for what happened to aboriginals why don't we apologise to Jewish victims of the holocaust while we're at it? Reparations are a slippery slope. They have been a disaster in New Zealand with land claims. Nothing has changed. I can see people pushing for reparations but I can't see anything good coming from it. Taking from one group to give to another will divide the country. The opportunity and prospects of the maori are surely better than the australian aboriginal wouldn't you agree? I'm not sure what you mean by slippery slope. Do you mean that they inevitably lead to more reperations? But that may not be the solution people come up with. They may just want to help the current generation for example. Apparently aboriginals claim that police brutality is a problem in australia too despite it not being as straight forward as being shot in the face https://newmatilda.com/2016/07/13/without-video-evidence-australians-find-it-hard-to-believe-that-black-lives-matter/the documentary series first contact is a good place to start too. Depends if you ask Maori's or not. Or which Maori group you ask to be honest. With reparations, they seemed to get bigger and bigger, a famous one was claiming ownership of the foreshore and seabed. Problems also arose with land claims on private property where non-maori land owners were not suitably compensated for losing some of their property. Conveniently it was often the most fertile/valuable. The big question is how do you cut it off? When do reparations become invalid? Mate, I respect you as a balanced and informative poster, please refrain from nonsense from New Matilda :lol: Six pages ago in this thread or so I was ripping on that abortion of an organization. Complete left bias. I even mentioned this article as virtual click-bait :lol:
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left wing click bait or not the unfortunate reality is that far left rags tend to be the only rags to give an occasional voice to the experience of the marginilized.
Its not much different to how far right rags were the only ones to talk about Christian persecution over the last century by muslims and communists (although missed violent persecution by hindus and bhuddists)
or how new age rags worshipping gaia were at one stage a decade or so ago taking scientists warnings about climate change seriously.
It is what it is and ultimately the content is more important than the rag. In this case the rag is writing an article from an aboriginal lady that seems consistent with what of aboriginals seem to be saying but doesn't get said in the media much
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p.s. we have native title here already. Personally I prefer affirmative action (controversial but seems to have some effect) and more investment in education
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Despite isolated incidents of aboriginals dying when in custody, does that suppose thata there is a culture of institutionalised abuse and brutality against aboriginals by police?
There are far more aboriginals dying in aboriginal custody than in police custody, why does it take the direct or indirect involvement of white people and police for black lives to suddenly matter?
These social justice juggernauts are just red herrings to deflect the real causes behind violence, deaths and disadvantage in these communities. Blaming police and white people for the sufferings of the black community is not a solution.
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