How the FFA Cup stirs more than memory lane at Melbourne Knights


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How the FFA Cup stirs more than memory lane at Melbourne Knights



"There will never be another Australian team like that," said Frank Juric, motioning to a photo on the wall with the tagline "January 1996". "Horvat, Stabba, Simunic, Cervinski, Pondeljak, Kovacevic, Tiatto." And the great goalkeeper is probably right - never mind that Mark Viduka left for Dinamo Zagreb the year before.
By Sebastian Hassett
11 AUG 2016 - 9:38 PM UPDATED YESTERDAY 9:38 PM



We’re under the main grandstand at Knights Stadium, in the groundsman’s room - which looks like something out of the Derby County scenes in The Damned United - and Juric is relaxing with a cold beer and pondering the past.

"This my club, this is my home and this is our history," he said, motioning around at the walls, filled with the glorious moments and team photos.

"But it’s not about the politics, we just love football."

He sure loves it tonight (Wednesday). The Melbourne Knights - his boys - are in the final 16 of the FFA Cup. All around us, Somers Street is a hive of pure excitement.

They reckon they can win the whole thing. Why not?




FFA Cup shocks add weight to promotion-relegation push
On back-to-back nights, the FFA Cup delivered two of the great all-time shocks in Australian club football.
I can understand why Juric, now the club’s goalkeeping coach, feels compelled to point out that team, two decades old.

For the first time in 12 years, the Knights are back in the big time, and it’s got everyone contemplating the past and future simultaneously.

Usually playing in front of crowds of a few hundred, the Knights have just beaten Western Australian side Cockburn City 2-1 in front of several thousands.

The FFA Cup has become a lightning rod of excitement outside the A-League. It’s tapping into a deep, rich vein of the game that never died. It was just dormant for a decade.

The draw for the next round is happening in Sydney, so all the players are huddled around someone’s iPad for the live stream.


“[Melbourne] Victory, come on, we want Victory,” one of the players yells. Near naked, his call is endorsed by all as the balls start to come out of the bowl.

Right now, the magic of the cup is much more than cliche or a hashtag.

Juric and Knights coach Andrew Marth want the Victory, too. We can take them.

More balls get pulled out. It might actually be the Victory - until the next ball kills that dream.

Giant-killing Green Gully it is, and a local derby will have to suffice until the next round.

By now, the Croatian Social Club, which forms part of the greater Somers Street complex, is busting to capacity.

I lose count of the number of times I hear people catching up for the first time since the club exited the National Soccer League.

It seems anyone who is anyone is back here. Truly, it’s an unofficial reunion.

The great Socceroos forward Billy Vojtek, a Knights Team of the Century member, is swapping stories with David Davutovic, now of the Herald Sun.

Davutovic is clutching a swathe of the old match day programs he used to edit as a teenager.

Tonci Prusac, the old media manager and dedicated community figure (now fitness entrepenuer), has made the trip up from Geelong with his kids.

John Sigur, the team manager in the 1994-1995, and whose father helped secure the land on which the team is now based, has flown down from Sydney just for the occasion. He can’t walk more than two metres without being accosted.

Ange Cimera - an iconic figure in Victorian football and the Knights’ honorary chairman - is suffering from mixed emotions.

The social club (which he runs) and the football club are separate entities, though no more than 50 metres apart (and if you’re wondering what happened to the old Batcave bar, it’s now a gym).

"This is great, it’s a fantastic night. It’s fantastic to see everyone come back to the club again," he said, beaming.



The magical moments that the FFA Cup keeps providing us every year have vindicated Football Federation Australia's decision to fall in line with the rest of the world and stage an annual knockout competition.
"But it’s hard, mate. We want more nights like this but we’ve got this artificial ceiling in the NPL. We’re not allowed to aspire to be any better than that and for a lot of people, if there’s no chance at getting into a higher league, what’s the point?"

I ask Cimera what his turnover is compared to usual. On a night like this, the potential of the club - football and social - is all around him.

"We’ll probably make tonight about four or five times as much as we would make in an NPL game," he said. His mind starts ticking again.

"If we were just allowed to compete for promotion - even to just get into a second division - it would be like this all the time. The community would come back together. Local people would come and watch us. But there’s no incentive. We need to be allowed to compete."

For some, especially those who haven’t come back in so long, it’s a beautiful evening and a chance to reminisce.

And they do, long into the night. Songs in the mother tongue are belted out at full steam, fuelled by an endless supply of Karlovačko; only bettered as Croatia’s finest export by Luka Modric and Davor Suker.

There's a flare in the beer garden - I know because it explodes right next to my foot. The place is smoked out and while nobody cares too much, Cimera - who is left to open all the shutters - mutters something about them "never learning".


Honestly, the moment is more nostalgic than threatening.

Players from both clubs have came in for the post-match meal, and the Cockburn players, used to the Western Australian heat, just seem happy to be out of the cold. It was pelting down during the match.

It’s getting towards midnight when I decide to go, but not before about countless handshakes. Cimera makes me promise I’ll return soon.

You certainly don’t get this in the A-League. The cup’s magic is real.






http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/blog/2016/08/11/how-ffa-cup-stirs-more-memory-lane-melbourne-knights
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Article pretty much sums up my night over in Sunshine. I actually had a great time at Knights Stadium and think they'd be a great addition to top tier football. A big club, with a loyal and vocal community and excellent facilities. At the very least, you can be sure that they wouldn't have the same bullshit "just make it to the finals" mentality that Clubs like the Mariners have.

Anyone who thinks it's anything like the "big bad #effnik warzone" bullshit that we've been hearing about over the last decade is completely delusional or hasn't actually seen it for themselves.

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Cant wait to hear paulys thoughts


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scotty21 - 12 Aug 2016 10:58 PM
Cant wait to hear paulys thoughts

Something about bitters etc.


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TheSelectFew - 12 Aug 2016 10:59 PM
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Something about bitters etc.

I expect this "Something Something Flares something something effniks something something I'm a douche"


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Victory, City, Knights and the South Melbourne? Bit too much
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RedshirtWilly - 13 Aug 2016 1:32 PM
Victory, City, Knights and the South Melbourne? Bit too much

Idk, there'd be some wicked games between them at least. 

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melbourne_terrace - 12 Aug 2016 10:52 PM
Article pretty much sums up my night over in Sunshine. I actually had a great time at Knights Stadium and think they'd be a great addition to top tier football. A big club, with a loyal and vocal community and excellent facilities. At the very least, you can be sure that they wouldn't have the same bullshit "just make it to the finals" mentality that Clubs like the Mariners have.

Anyone who thinks it's anything like the "big bad #effnik warzone" bullshit that we've been hearing about over the last decade is completely delusional or hasn't actually seen it for themselves.

agree.  i cant wait for clubs like this to get a shot.  they have the stadium already.  we need more like this.

 




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Apart of me in thinks in hindsight the leftover NSL clubs like this should've been put into a semi pro national 2nd division (without pro/rel to start with) , when the HAL first started, with the goal to become proffessional. They were pretty much self funding anyway. Much wouldn't have changed for them in the short term. Let the likes of Victory and Glory etc bring them up to their standard.
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Lol the irony is that glory are an "old NSL leftovers".



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"Victory, City, and South Melbourne. The Knights Bit too much"

FTFY.

Jokes aside. Fast forward to when we have the HAL fully expanded and a real quality league. You'd expect there'd be 4 melb teams. This is them.



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I understand that so we're Adelaide United. What I meant was they were setting the pace in professionalism at the timenull
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HortoMagiko - 13 Aug 2016 2:06 PM
Lol the irony is that glory are an "old NSL leftovers".

The irony is that glory were a much bigger club in the NSL. 







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Idk, there'd be some wicked games between them at least. 

Definitely. Small local stadiums mixed with big stadiums all fighting for local supremacy. 


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scotty21 - 12 Aug 2016 10:58 PM
Cant wait to hear paulys thoughts

Oh, OK Scottyboy this is what I read.....

References to the Croatian social club
They state they want the old community back
Pictures of flares shown etc

If they think they can repeat what was allowed to fester and destroy the code in Australia then this must be a joke.

But I having nothing against Melb Croatia's delusional dreams. It's good for the little clubs.


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melbourne_terrace - 12 Aug 2016 10:52 PM
Article pretty much sums up my night over in Sunshine. I actually had a great time at Knights Stadium and think they'd be a great addition to top tier football. A big club, with a loyal and vocal community and excellent facilities. At the very least, you can be sure that they wouldn't have the same bullshit "just make it to the finals" mentality that Clubs like the Mariners have.

Anyone who thinks it's anything like the "big bad #effnik warzone" bullshit that we've been hearing about over the last decade is completely delusional or hasn't actually seen it for themselves.

If you hate the FFA and plastic league that much and like the Knights insular set up, why don't you just join the 200-300 supporters and be done with it?

There's nothing that this mono ethnic club is offering now that is different to when they were in the NSL. They are unable and unwilling to broaden their appeal, not that they want to anyway.


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scotty21 - 12 Aug 2016 11:01 PM
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I expect this "Something Something Flares something something effniks something something I'm a douche"

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scotty21 - 12 Aug 2016 10:58 PM

Oh, OK Scottyboy this is what I read.....

References to the Croatian social club
They state they want the old community back
Pictures of flares shown etc

If they think they can repeat what was allowed to fester and destroy the code in Australia then this must be a joke.

But I having nothing against Melb Croatia's delusional dreams. It's good for the little clubs.



Well i was pretty close




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scotty21 - 12 Aug 2016 10:58 PM
Cant wait to hear paulys thoughts

[quote=Paulc]Lol, old soccer is bad. Franchise soccer is gud. Muslims and non Western Europeans is bad. Aussie is good let's kill all non whites. [/quote]

Could be just quoting Pauline Hanson, though. 

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Well i was pretty close


What and where have they improved Scottyboy? If you can't answer because you were still in your nappies in those days then say so.


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"The irony is that glory were a much bigger club in the NSL. "

Good point RBBA. Perth haven't quite risen to their glory days in the NSL, in terms of attendances and titles. How do those cold hard facts fit the "bitters" narrative... I'm sure there's a way lol




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pauly has a point that the Knights don't have a broader appeal in general. This has changed marginally due to the influx of different nationalities in the area joining the club, but not much. City and victory both offer a broad appeal. In saying that it is possible that being included in the aleague the Knights would be able to appeal to their local community but I'd say many people would know what and who they stand for and refuse to join. And that's resting on the Knigts themselves being open and making themselves appeal to everyone.

Just on a side note I'm not a fan of the nazi salut being on display on national television and on the front page of newspapers either. Just a personal thing of mine you know, if anyone's ok with this then fair enough.
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scotty21 - 12 Aug 2016 11:01 PM
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I expect this "Something Something Flares something something effniks something something I'm a douche"

Spot on :Whistling::Whistling::Whistling::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

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n i k o - 13 Aug 2016 5:36 PM
pauly has a point that the Knights don't have a broader appeal in general. This has changed marginally due to the influx of different nationalities in the area joining the club, but not much. City and victory both offer a broad appeal. In saying that it is possible that being included in the aleague the Knights would be able to appeal to their local community but I'd say many people would know what and who they stand for and refuse to join. And that's resting on the Knigts themselves being open and making themselves appeal to everyone. Just on a side note I'm not a fan of the nazi salut being on display on national television and on the front page of newspapers either. Just a personal thing of mine you know, if anyone's ok with this then fair enough.

Of course I have a point and a big one at that. The Crawford report listed a serious of problems with the defunct NSL and one was mono ethnic club.

Now seeing someone else brought up the subjetc flares I can add that in one of their blogs they proudly showed a clip of the their team lining up against their sister club Sydney Croatia with flares galore going off in front of the players on one side of the ground with the players applauding them. The club seems to also allow this unruly, code destructive and illegal behaviour. Is this a club we want in the A-League?

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What and where have they improved Scottyboy? If you can't answer because you were still in your nappies in those days then say so.



Why should i bother putting a comprehensive argument together for you pauly?
I mean your only response will be "Flarez, Voilence, Effniks"


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Why should i bother putting a comprehensive argument together for you pauly?
I mean your only response will be "Flarez, Voilence, Effniks"

You can't answer it because you know what I say is true. Thought as much. Now run along, mummy is calling.


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How is their claim against the FFA going for not allowing CROATIA  in big letters in front of their shirts?

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I think the Knights are ready for a second division now, but what happens in an open pro/rel system when they play a Serbian team like Bonnyrigg?

SU58 can't even play them in a public match.
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SoccerLogic - 13 Aug 2016 7:18 PM
I think the Knights are ready for a second division now, but what happens in an open pro/rel system when they play a Serbian team like Bonnyrigg?

SU58 can't even play them in a public match.

This is the problem.

Melbourne Croatia were already banned from all participation in football during the late sixties to mid seventies for their violence against JUST in Vic. Banned without exception in playing football. This will be just another repeat going by their attacks on Bobby Deptovski, opposition players and officials during the latter years of the NSL.

The mono ethnic clashes will persist and the delusional think they will be allowed in top flight lol.


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Ahhh the good old Batcave Bar - had our year 10 formal after party there. No ID required for drinks, good times :D
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