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quickflick - 12 Aug 2016 7:07 PM
Can Okon be evaluated on the basis of the results and the way they've played since he was put in charge of these sides, however?

I haven't been thrilled with okon's performance

often plays 2 6's against teams parking the bus

struggle to maintain posesion in opposition territory

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Barca4Life - 12 Aug 2016 2:21 AM
The Young Socceroos played WSW yesterday, they lead 1-0 at HT but in the end they lost 4-1 at FT.

The sooner Gombau comes in the better please, i don't think Paul Okon is capable enough.

Reluctantly, I have to agree with you, Barca.

Okon needs to coach a youth team in the HAL , at best,  coach a senior team in the NPL for some years  or go overseas like many others. He needs far more week to week experience before he get  gigs like national teams. Arthur Papas has a far more varied CV.

Too many coaches, just because they've been former national team players are being promoted far too quickly through the system. Darren Davies has done a lot more HAL youth coaching and assistant senior  HAL coaching, so is a better credentialled candidate for assistant national team coach.

Having said this, Vidmar was the youth coach at AU (I think), but has done a far better job with the under  Joeys than Okon has with the under 20s.
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quickflick - 12 Aug 2016 7:07 PM
Can Okon be evaluated on the basis of the results and the way they've played since he was put in charge of these sides, however?

The way they've played has been poor.

QF, we look forward to your cricket comments on the 3rd Sri Lankan Test, mate.
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grazorblade - 15 Aug 2016 1:31 PM
quickflick - 12 Aug 2016 7:07 PM

I haven't been thrilled with okon's performance

often plays 2 6's against teams parking the bus

struggle to maintain posesion in opposition territory

All the top line coaches I've met, apart from one of  Okon's temporary national team assistants, exude a significant degree of social skills - humour, charm, ability to engage an audience.

 I can only judge from Okon's TV persona, but he seems to be an incredibly serious, uptight and tense individual  - totally devoid of humour and fun. I strongly doubt that  his communication skills would be adequate as a head coach. It seems his best role could be an assistant coach. 
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Final camp underway at gosford for the u20s prior to team selection for Veitnam tournament in 2 weeks or so .
Not sure if Gombou will make appearance , he is in Sydney so imagine he would take a run up the freeway.


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Surely take some artillery up there. 


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Decentric - 15 Aug 2016 8:30 PM
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All the top line coaches I've met, apart from one of  Okon's temporary national team assistants, exude a significant degree of social skills - humour, charm, ability to engage an audience.

 I can only judge from Okon's TV persona, but he seems to be an incredibly serious, uptight and tense individual  - totally devoid of humour and fun. I strongly doubt that  his communication skills would be adequate as a head coach. It seems his best role could be an assistant coach. 

to be fair gumbau doesn't have much charm :D

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Jonsnow - 12 Aug 2016 5:28 PM
Watched game and must say very disappointed with u19s Terrible in Defence , slow in transition , passing was all over the place , players looked as if they had just met one another this week ( which is probs the fact)Don't know if we can blame Okon as 3/4 of the squad that played in Laos are either injured , overseas or not realeased by clubs .Looks a very disjointed operation 2 months out from Aisian cup , not sure if Gombau will be silver bullet unless he can call in all of the best 97 and 98 born which is doubtful .

Thanks for the round up.

Why and who are the best players not available?
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For the short term I want the regional cup. The AFF cup is our short term focus and we should aim to win it. The kids are further along the development chart.


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Gersbach , Desilva , Tanner ,Glover and Holmes all overseas
Mells, Alessi , OToole , Fofanah and Devlin injured
That's a big percentage out of the 23 man squad .
Granted Desilva and Tanner didn't go to Laos but are probs our best midfielders , maybe also put in the young ONeil lad that debut for Burnley on the weekend.


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Jonsnow - 24 Aug 2016 12:30 PM
Gersbach , Desilva , Tanner ,Glover and Holmes all overseas Mells, Alessi , OToole , Fofanah and Devlin injuredThat's a big percentage out of the 23 man squad .Granted Desilva and Tanner didn't go to Laos but are probs our best midfielders , maybe also put in the young ONeil lad that debut for Burnley on the weekend.

If O'Neill is going to remain part of the first team at Burnley he should stay there. Would learn a hell of a lot more playing with a Premier League first team than he would under Okon or whoever is in charge of the U20s
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Agree 100%
Reality is with these underage teams we very rarely get all the so called "top players" yet if we don't win or qualify for major tournaments we tend to crucify the coach .


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Jonsnow - 24 Aug 2016 12:49 PM
Agree 100% Reality is with these underage teams we very rarely get all the so called "top players" yet if we don't win or qualify for major tournaments we tend to crucify the coach .

Good point, Jon Snow.
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Jonsnow - 24 Aug 2016 12:49 PM
Agree 100% Reality is with these underage teams we very rarely get all the so called "top players" yet if we don't win or qualify for major tournaments we tend to crucify the coach .

It becomes a question of where to draw the line.

You've got a point. But when the coach oversees failure after failure after failure and the style is deplorable, eyebrows need to be raised at the very least.
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Jonsnow - 24 Aug 2016 12:30 PM

If O'Neill is going to remain part of the first team at Burnley he should stay there. Would learn a hell of a lot more playing with a Premier League first team than he would under Okon or whoever is in charge of the U20s

Spot on
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So if Okon goes to Marinars who is gonna take the 20s to Veitnam and Bahrain ?
Is joseph ready to go ?


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Jonsnow - 27 Aug 2016 10:55 PM
So if Okon goes to Marinars who is gonna take the 20s to Veitnam and Bahrain ?Is joseph ready to go ?

Has Gombau arrived in Oz?
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Yes , he was at last weeks camp in gosford


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Jonsnow - 28 Aug 2016 4:28 AM
Yes , he was at last weeks camp in gosford

Its good to hear, was he involved with the coaching already or just observing the team?
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Since Okon has left for the Mariners, any news regarding who will be the new young socceroos coach? 
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Barca4Life - 31 Aug 2016 12:23 AM
Since Okon has left for the Mariners, any news regarding who will be the new young socceroos coach? 

I haven't heard any news although i know Josep Gombau was supposed to assist Okon before he took the ccm job
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With only 6 days before squad departs for Veitnam , the u20s have no coach but better still the 23 man squad has not even been announced .
If we can qualify for 20s WC in Korea it will be a miracle .
All the FFA is worried about is Socceroos don't give a shit about underage , in fact rumor is that they may use Okon leaving as an excuse to pull out of Veitnam tournament .


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Jonsnow - 31 Aug 2016 7:14 AM
With only 6 days before squad departs for Veitnam , the u20s have no coach but better still the 23 man squad has not even been announced .If we can qualify for 20s WC in Korea it will be a miracle .All the FFA is worried about is Socceroos don't give a shit about underage , in fact rumor is that they may use Okon leaving as an excuse to pull out of Veitnam tournament .

If that happens heads should role. 


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TheSelectFew - 31 Aug 2016 7:16 AM
Jonsnow - 31 Aug 2016 7:14 AM

If that happens heads should role. 

The trouble is they don't know their "role" and therefore their heads should "roll".
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Footballking55 - 31 Aug 2016 7:24 AM
TheSelectFew - 31 Aug 2016 7:16 AM

The trouble is they don't know their "role" and therefore their heads should "roll".

#fail. 


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Lookout for a rushed in house appointment this week , more jobs for the boys .


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Josh Mccloughan should be a consideration, has worked with the Socceroos, and joeys in the last 2 years and of course ex Roar youth coach.
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Surely its just Gombau taking the spot. 

They couldn't announce him as the head coach originally as it would have been massively disrespectful towards a former great player in Okon. 

With Okon gone you'd think Gombau would get promoted from 'assistant' fulltime coach to just fulltime coach.

And I don't know why people think we'll be worse off for having no officially announced coach in any case. Okon was a tragedy. Even the much sought after inanimate carbon rod would do a better job than him!

The squads been playing friendlies and i'm sure the squad has been announced to the players, just no the public because the FFA doesn't think of these things much. 
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Jonsnow - 31 Aug 2016 8:06 AM
Lookout for a rushed in house appointment this week , more jobs for the boys .

It's just so lazy. 


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Jonsnow - 31 Aug 2016 8:06 AM
Lookout for a rushed in house appointment this week , more jobs for the boys .

Wouldn't Gombau be the natural choice? At least in the short term?
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