The Aussies Abroad Thread


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grazorblade - 18 Sep 2016 8:52 PM
moops - 18 Sep 2016 8:51 PM

so unfortunately whoscored statistics won't give us the full picture since he takes out so many opposition players with clever passes
also he takes out so many players by clever positioning in receiving passes

still whoscored is good for tracking the defensive part of his game

True, Stats do not tell how a player played, really they are only exponents of extremes.
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moops - 18 Sep 2016 8:59 PM
grazorblade - 18 Sep 2016 8:52 PM

True, Stats do not tell how a player played, really they are only exponents of extremes.

whoscored gives an excellent indication for players whose main game is 1v1 duels like jedi

you can get completed forward passes as a useful stat. Decentric looks at 1v1s and eye of the needle passes as well as good first touches

One thing stats will always miss though is off the ball work and positioning. You could make 15 tackles and miss 3 but get a massive whoscored rating but the reason why you are making so many tackles i syour poor positioning is attracting the attack down your side

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To be completely honest, I think the HAL is better than the dutch league.
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grazorblade - 18 Sep 2016 9:02 PM
moops - 18 Sep 2016 8:59 PM

whoscored gives an excellent indication for players whose main game is 1v1 duels like jedi

you can get completed forward passes as a useful stat. Decentric looks at 1v1s and eye of the needle passes as well as good first touches

One thing stats will always miss though is off the ball work and positioning. You could make 15 tackles and miss 3 but get a massive whoscored rating but the reason why you are making so many tackles i syour poor positioning is attracting the attack down your side

Agree
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moops - 18 Sep 2016 8:51 PM
grazorblade - 18 Sep 2016 8:40 PM

Yes
But Ardho makes a point, pass accuracy can be construed because it is all back passes, or sideways passes. Mooy excels because he has great vision and his forward passes are well weighted. 

you both right...it not  pass accuracy, it just doing it ....if  player cut out 4 defense players with a pass , say 1 in every 5 times, that players pass accuracy is only 20%   but the chance of the team winning the game is fucking high
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moops - 18 Sep 2016 9:03 PM
To be completely honest, I think the HAL is better than the dutch league.

MVs squad this year is impressive even if they don''t get essien

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adrtho2 - 18 Sep 2016 9:05 PM
moops - 18 Sep 2016 8:51 PM

you both right...it not  pass accuracy, it just doing it ....if  player cut out 4 defense players with a pass , say 1 in every 5 times, that players pass accuracy is only 20%   but the chance of the team winning the game is fucking high

agree
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grazorblade - 18 Sep 2016 8:52 PM
moops - 18 Sep 2016 8:51 PM

so unfortunately whoscored statistics won't give us the full picture since he takes out so many opposition players with clever passes
also he takes out so many players by clever positioning in receiving passes

still whoscored is good for tracking the defensive part of his game

i think that right on Mooy...and we can see Huddersfield is very low rated as a team on whoscored (11th rated in Championship over 8 games, with Huddersfield winning 6 games )   
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moops - 18 Sep 2016 9:03 PM
To be completely honest, I think the HAL is better than the dutch league.

It's way better has been for years. The Dutch league is trash. 
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TheSelectFew - 18 Sep 2016 8:46 PM
moops - 18 Sep 2016 7:30 PM

Sparta is now. Dougall on the bench. Goodwin out injured I believe.

cheers


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The dutch NT is trash.


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The Fans - 18 Sep 2016 8:58 PM
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This gets to the bottom of why the whoscored ratings for players are so flawed. (In fact I think they should get rid of the ratings). There are key passes and there are assists and thats fine. But there is no measurement of meaningful possession/passes or play-making. 

The statistics that they use have absolutely no way of determining the impact of passes. One player could have the same stats: say 70 passes and have no impact by along the back-line, while another player could make 70 passes and completely dominate with meaningful passing.



the guys making $300 million plus a year betting on football into asia will disagree with you ..

whoscored has done the best they could with the stats they have,  (Live)...the next set, is to take what is a meaningful passing , and what is not , into there ratings 

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adrtho2 - 18 Sep 2016 9:25 PM
The Fans - 18 Sep 2016 8:58 PM

the guys making $300 million plus a year betting on football into asia will disagree with you ..

whoscored has done the best they could with the stats they have,  (Live)...the next set, is to take what is a meaningful passing , and what is not , into there ratings 

That is the thing
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moops - 18 Sep 2016 9:03 PM
To be completely honest, I think the HAL is better than the dutch league.

i get smash on 442 for saying that  :)
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adrtho2 - 18 Sep 2016 9:34 PM
moops - 18 Sep 2016 9:03 PM

i get smash on 442 for saying that  :)

For some reason you have been targeted, maybe you come on to strong?
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adrtho2 - 18 Sep 2016 8:59 PM
TheSelectFew - 18 Sep 2016 8:55 PM

some truth in that

So what part of Tassie?
 ;)


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nothing about Rogic starting
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moops - 18 Sep 2016 9:43 PM
adrtho2 - 18 Sep 2016 9:34 PM

For some reason you have been targeted, maybe you come on to strong?

that ok, i'm use to it ...most will all get there in the end
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Jones starts against PSV. Big match.


By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.

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playmaker11 - 18 Sep 2016 9:51 PM
Jones starts against PSV. Big match.

Yay. Another dodgy Bet365 stream.:rolleyes:


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The Fans - 18 Sep 2016 9:12 PM
moops - 18 Sep 2016 9:03 PM

It's way better has been for years. The Dutch league is trash. 

lets see an a-league team beat man u in a competitive match

 




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inala brah - 18 Sep 2016 9:55 PM
The Fans - 18 Sep 2016 9:12 PM

lets see an a-league team beat man u in a competitive match

Sadly we can't, it would take a very unlikely set of circumstances for that match to occur. However let's not forget that a Dutch team beating ManU was also be them considered a pretty big deal - it was hardly an expected result.
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inala brah - 18 Sep 2016 9:55 PM
The Fans - 18 Sep 2016 9:12 PM

lets see an a-league team beat man u in a competitive match

how will a A-League team play a  competitive match vs Man Utd ?     



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adrtho2 - 18 Sep 2016 10:06 PM
inala brah - 18 Sep 2016 9:55 PM

how will a A-League team play a  competitive match vs Man Utd ?     



Club world cup. Until then Eurosnobs will never take the league seriously.


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83' Dougall on.


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Not sure if this was brought up but I thought I would look at Jedniak's passing stats for his last game at Villa and he was passing at 59% with only one tackle. Seems like a poor performance even by his past passing stats
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Rogic starting.

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TheSelectFew - 18 Sep 2016 10:09 PM
adrtho2 - 18 Sep 2016 10:06 PM

Club world cup. Until then Eurosnobs will never take the league seriously.

no body in Europe give a shit about club world cup
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Edition: Chris Dunlavy describes Aaron Mooy as 'the best player in the Championship'.



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