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+x+x+xThe vietnamese players look like they run on treadmills. Feet move a million miles an hour. The header from blackwood was like taking baby from a candy, they were midgets around him. Overall, they played some great football at times, but it was vietnam and not france etc. I still don't know the final result? Oz played well in the first half. was 5-2. But their two - one was an awesome free, and a penalty. The goals I saw Australia score, were proactive. There were also some close misses. Penalties are often awarded for proactive attacking play and sometimes free kicks.
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One of things FFA do ATM is keep most COE and underage national team tournaments quite secretive.
Their perception is that don't want many football journos, who basically know nothing about analysing football, reporting on results exclusively. They have a point.
However, FFA hardly ever publicise any tournaments. Many coaches lower down in the Oz system want to see what the the final product looks like at the top end. FFA staff coaches have alway watched these games when I talk to them, but it is like it is a secretive event.
There was a lot of fuss made about Berger or Ali Edwards visiting Tas. Another 442 poster PMed me to ask about the NTC comp being held in Tas, as his brother was playing in it. I knew nothing about it and contacted a mate who is a football journo, with a high level coaching and playing background. He knew nothing.
We rang FFTas. Because we knew which questions to ask, thanks to the 442 poster, we found out where the comp was. When we arrived it was all it was all over and had been going for days!
There was nothing in the local media about it!
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Interesting to note that Worst Korea has also been knocked out of the U16 tournament at the group stage. Just shows we don't necessarily need overly dominant youth sides to be dominant at senior level in the region. Whilst it'd be nice for all our teams to be winning everything possible, I'm not fussed if our U16's get touched up once in a while. It does not mean however there shouldn't be a review, but I think it just shows how variable performances and form are in 15 year olds tbh.
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Another issue that will arise, is the HAL clubs will be feeding back to FFA that the players they are looking at are lacking in 1v1 defensive skills.
The other side of the equation is that the national underage teams are defending much more in the past by having so much possession. The KNVB adage is if you have the ball, the other team cannot score.
It is also tiring to spend so much time in defending in BPO without the ball. Former Socceroos have complained of this at FFA coaching conferences when playing South American teams.
Nevertheless, the ability to disturb build ups, particularly effective penalty box defending and full backs being rounded too often, is cause for concern and needs improvement.
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+xInteresting to note that Worst Korea has also been knocked out of the U16 tournament at the group stage. Just shows we don't necessarily need overly dominant youth sides to be dominant at senior level in the region. Whilst it'd be nice for all our teams to be winning everything possible, I'm not fussed if our U16's get touched up once in a while. It does not mean however there shouldn't be a review, but I think it just shows how variable performances and form are in 15 year olds tbh. True.
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+xOne of things FFA do ATM is keep most COE and underage national team tournaments quite secretive. Their perception is that don't want many football journos, who basically know nothing about analysing football, reporting on results exclusively. They have a point. However, FFA hardly ever publicise any tournaments. Many coaches lower down in the Oz system want to see what the the final product looks like at the top end. FFA staff coaches have alway watched these games when I talk to them, but it is like it is a secretive event. There was a lot of fuss made about Berger or Ali Edwards visiting Tas. Another 442 poster PMed me to ask about the NTC comp being held in Tas, as his brother was playing in it. I knew nothing about it and contacted a mate who is a football journo, with a high level coaching and playing background. He knew nothing. We rang FFTas. Because we knew which questions to ask, thanks to the 442 poster, we found out where the comp was. When we arrived it was all it was all over and had been going for days! There was nothing in the local media about it! What a great way of keeping the football community onside- keeping tournaments secret and banning journos! And also declaring that "journos know nothing about football"! You have to despair for the future with this sort of arrogance and high handedness.
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+x+xOne of things FFA do ATM is keep most COE and underage national team tournaments quite secretive. Their perception is that don't want many football journos, who basically know nothing about analysing football, reporting on results exclusively. They have a point. However, FFA hardly ever publicise any tournaments. Many coaches lower down in the Oz system want to see what the the final product looks like at the top end. FFA staff coaches have alway watched these games when I talk to them, but it is like it is a secretive event. There was a lot of fuss made about Berger or Ali Edwards visiting Tas. Another 442 poster PMed me to ask about the NTC comp being held in Tas, as his brother was playing in it. I knew nothing about it and contacted a mate who is a football journo, with a high level coaching and playing background. He knew nothing. We rang FFTas. Because we knew which questions to ask, thanks to the 442 poster, we found out where the comp was. When we arrived it was all it was all over and had been going for days! There was nothing in the local media about it! What a great way of keeping the football community onside- keeping tournaments secret and banning journos! And also declaring that "journos know nothing about football"! You have to despair for the future with this sort of arrogance and high handedness. Or he's not in the know as much as he would like you to think he is. Here's a heads up from the 'secretive' FFA lads. The NTC's for 13's and 14's boys are on in Coffs from the 3rd to the 7th of October. See you there. (At quite possibly the best fields in Australia.) Shhhhhh....don't tell any pesky journos though. Someone might get criticised and asked a few awkward questions and that'd be just awful
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+x+x+x[quote]What a disgrace from the joeys, 6-0 and failing to pick up a point in the group and crash out. Huge technical level disparity between both sides and also tactically Japan much more sound tactically too, surely questions will be asked? And to think these kids have gone through the new system they still technically not good enough and their level of football IQ was very poor. At least the young socceroos did well to win, hopefully they can qualify for the world cup and do a much better effort than the Joeys! Eric Abrams doesnt realise how much a big a task he has to fix the youth system here in australia. http://www.the-afc.com/u-16-championship-2016/japan-cruise-into-quarter-final-meeting-with-uaeGroup B winners Japan cruised into the AFC U-16 Championship India 2016 quarter-finals and a meeting with United Arab Emirates on the back of a perfect record after thrashing already-eliminated Australia 6-0 at GMC Stadium on Thursday.A much-changed Japan side took the lead inside five minutes through Soichiro Kozuki but after a dominant first half-hour by the team in blue, Australia did respond to keep the scoreline 1-0 at the break.The two-time winners, who had already posted scorelines of 7-0 and 8-0 in their previous Group B fixtures, raised their game in the second half and Taisei Miyashiro and Gijo Sehata all netted before the hour-mark, after which Nagi Matsumoto thumped home a sublime finish before Kozuki completed his brace on 83 minutes and substitute Akito Tanahashi added the side's sixth.Having already wrapped up Group B with a game to spare, Japan coach Yoshiro Moriyama made several changes to his starting line-up as seven players made their tournament bows.The Joeys, meanwhile, had just the one enforced change with injured midfielder Fabian Monge making way for Jacob Italiano.It was one of Australia's ever-presents, Thomas Aquilina, who was at the centre of the game's first action, though, as his pass to his centre-back partner Joel King was short and Kozuki intercepted before firing past Nicholas Suman to give Japan the lead within the opening four minutes.The Australia 'keeper was being kept busy as Toichi Suzuki then forced Suman into a sprawling save before he tipped over Miyashiro's rising drive as Japan dominated the opening spells.Shunsuke Tanimoto then passed up a golden chance for goal number two before 20 minutes were up as he blazed over from Kenta Kikuchi's cross, before Miyashiro drilled wide when one-on-one with Suman. Australia almost punished Japan's prolificacy halfway through the first half as Dylan Pierias found time outside the penalty area to unleash a firm effort on goal that drew a solid save from Kokoro Aoki. Indeed, despite having been overwhelmed in the opening period, it was Australia who arguably finished the half the stronger despite remaining a goal behind at the interval. The Joeys looked to keep up the momentum after the break but eight minutes in it was Japan who added their second as Miyashiro slid home Suzuki's low cross from the right. And Moriyama's team gave Australia a mountain to climb just a minute later as Kikuchi's deep cross from the left was sent back into the middle by Suzuki and Sehata tapped in from close-range to put his side three goals to the good. Matsumoto then scored the pick of the bunch on 64 minutes with a stunning strike from the cusp of the penalty area that rocketed into the top corner for a 4-0 scoreline. Roberts went close to a consolation for Australia with nine minutes remaining after his forceful run into the box culminated with Aoki tipping his shot onto the crossbar. But Japan responded immediately by surging up the field and Kozuki fired low past Suman for Japan's fifth. And there was still time for Tanahashi to net his fourth of the tournament, and goal number six for Japan, as his low shot rolled in via the inside of Suman's left-hand post with five minutes left. Japan coach Yoshiro Moriyama:
"We scored early but after the first goal we had a lot of opportunities that we couldn't finish and so we struggled a bit in the first half. We played well in the second half, though and the goals came again. "I was impressed with all the players who played today, all the performances were good and it was clear they gave 100 percent for the team. "If I had to pick out one, it would be Nagi Matsumoto. He is the youngest in the team and I'm sure he was nervous, so I was especially impressed with him. "We couldn't finish as clinically as we could have so we'll need to improve this accuracy in the games ahead." Australia coach Tony Vidmar:
"We gave away a goal straight away so were on the back foot early on. Although we came back into the game in parts our turnover rate and possession was poor. "There was gaps in our team and Japan, an excellent team, were simply playing through us. "We will go back and review what happened and go from there. Our side is a young one and maybe physically at a disadvantage as we struggled but we always look at the talent and potential we have. "It will be a big learning experience for them to have played at a tournament like this. For the next stage in their careers they will hopefully take on board these lessons from the past two weeks." Interesting that Vidmar claimed they played young talented players, who may have been a bit young for the comp. when he had an older and stronger bench!
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWatched the Thailand the Laos games, i don't think the way of playing isnt the problem for me its about managing the counter attacks and being more efficient in the final third i.e last pass or shot which seems to be a problem at all levels...but they play some nice football. Technically we weren't any worse than the two teams we played the much better football, but their finishing especially thailand was very good and clinical. Shabow and Maia look like exceptional players for the young socceroos technically good and decision making decent, promising if you're a WSW fan. Are you Decentric in disguise? We got pined, shellacked and had our pants pulled down 5-1 and apparently ' we played the much better football' Would hate to see the scoreline if we played shit. FMD. This. The idea results don't matter kills me. If you get wrecked by 5 goals to 1 to a side like Thailand and then win 2 goals to 1 to a side like Laos how can you be playing good football? Unfortunately you don't get points for style like diving. "If you're in the penalty area and don't know what to do with the ball, put it in the net and we'll discuss the options later." Bob Paisley Im just playing devils advocate here for a bit its always easy to see the result and go 'hey what a disaster' but sometimes we need to watch the game first and then make an honest appraisal of things, its not always black and white. When the joeys lost 1-0 to Kyrgyzstan you think how but when watching the game i can see why they lost simply because they did nothing wrong throughout the whole entire game. Well why don't you make an 'honest' appraisal. Bear in mind gents these are 17 and 18 year olds. Not 14, 15 year olds. You'll do well to sugar coat these. Goal #1 - Ball watching players, players not tracking runners / marking non-existant Goal #2 - Shit control, first touch towards danger, poor body position, poor communication between defender and keeper Goal #3 - unmarked winger, poor positioning, beaten for pace. (Diagonal long ball too. His highness would love that one.) Goal #4 - unmarked winger, poor positioning, centre defender committed too early, right fullback too slow to cover, no other cover tracking Thai forwards. (In fact if the goalscorer wanted to he could have squared it up to not 1 but 2 Thai guys bombing through.) Goal #5 - Poor backpass, hesitant keeper, centre defender stopping dead after backpass allowing Thai forward unimpeded run on keeper. Shit all round but you know we 'triangled' them off the park so there is that. If you're happy with that you're easily pleased. Waiting for your 'honest appraisal' Barca. Remember this is the game where we 'played the better football."
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+x+xOne of things FFA do ATM is keep most COE and underage national team tournaments quite secretive. Their perception is that don't want many football journos, who basically know nothing about analysing football, reporting on results exclusively. They have a point. However, FFA hardly ever publicise any tournaments. Many coaches lower down in the Oz system want to see what the the final product looks like at the top end. FFA staff coaches have alway watched these games when I talk to them, but it is like it is a secretive event. There was a lot of fuss made about Berger or Ali Edwards visiting Tas. Another 442 poster PMed me to ask about the NTC comp being held in Tas, as his brother was playing in it. I knew nothing about it and contacted a mate who is a football journo, with a high level coaching and playing background. He knew nothing. We rang FFTas. Because we knew which questions to ask, thanks to the 442 poster, we found out where the comp was. When we arrived it was all it was all over and had been going for days! There was nothing in the local media about it! What a great way of keeping the football community onside- keeping tournaments secret and banning journos! And also declaring that "journos know nothing about football"! You have to despair for the future with this sort of arrogance and high handedness. I said FFA perceived that many journos are incapable of analysing football game results beyond goals scored and conceded. Can you provide concrete examples that a majority of journos , with no significant playing or coach education background in football, can analyse games beyond goals scored and conceded? What football criteria would they use that they are familiar with?
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I just watched some of the u16 game against Japan.
The Japanese team looked like a team coached to play a competitive game where they attack and defend according to a plan and in particular space is minimised in defence and players get back in numbers.
Australia well they looked a rabble.It reminded me of one of those bottom of the table teams ,lacking any spirirt or discipline and trying individual things under pressure and long balls.
Defensive structure was terrible.Numbers never got back to defend and most of the players wanted to be up the field leaving Japan to pressure a thin defensive line trying to playout from the back.What a mess.
Add to that defensive players being poor at defending and you wonder what is going on.
Individual skills of players still looked good.
Bottom line, the team looked like they werent coached to do anything other than get most players up the pitch and play into a japanese compact defensive structure and get completely outnumbered on turnovers.Leading to easy opportunities for Japan.
The Aussie boys just shrugged off each goal and kept playing the same way with gaping space in front of the defensive line,with only one dm .
Under that structure I challenge any team not to get flogged.
Even as a training exercise ,I cant see anything gained by playing that game,except what not to do.
Wouldnt it be great if the coaching staff explained what the hell was going on.Because if FFA are funding teams to play in tournaments like that ,they may as well not bother.
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Just having a look at the Japan u16's games played from June 2015 - Sept 2016
Costa rica 7-0
Chile 2-0
France 3-1
England 4-3
France 3-2
Mongolia 17-0
Hong Kong 7-0
Hungary 4-1
Mail 1-2 (there was no mri scans done on Mail)
Mexico 6-0
And then the last three results 8-0 7-0 and 6-0
Apart from the great results have a look at the country's played and compare them to who we've played.
Now we go smacked by a very good team. Find fault in the players/coaches/formation/tactics/technique not the best team picked the conditions the travel whatever but its clear that the preparation in order to develop these young boys.....we are a million miles behind.
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+x+x+xOne of things FFA do ATM is keep most COE and underage national team tournaments quite secretive. Their perception is that don't want many football journos, who basically know nothing about analysing football, reporting on results exclusively. They have a point. However, FFA hardly ever publicise any tournaments. Many coaches lower down in the Oz system want to see what the the final product looks like at the top end. FFA staff coaches have alway watched these games when I talk to them, but it is like it is a secretive event. There was a lot of fuss made about Berger or Ali Edwards visiting Tas. Another 442 poster PMed me to ask about the NTC comp being held in Tas, as his brother was playing in it. I knew nothing about it and contacted a mate who is a football journo, with a high level coaching and playing background. He knew nothing. We rang FFTas. Because we knew which questions to ask, thanks to the 442 poster, we found out where the comp was. When we arrived it was all it was all over and had been going for days! There was nothing in the local media about it! What a great way of keeping the football community onside- keeping tournaments secret and banning journos! And also declaring that "journos know nothing about football"! You have to despair for the future with this sort of arrogance and high handedness. Shhhhhh....don't tell any pesky journos though. Someone might get criticised and asked a few awkward questions and that'd be just awful Hmmph, journalists and fans... What do they know? They probably only care about the quality of the play when they really should be caring about the jargon... Something about milieu...KNVB...curriculum...milieu...triangles...milieu...milieu...methodology...diagonal milieu etc etc
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It is likely that nationally at u16 level nationally we just arent structurally at the same level as countries like Japan.
Whether this has any relevance to the performance of players nationally at older ages is maybe debatable.
U19 's were much more professional and competent at most aspects of the game.If at u16 ,these same players were as bad nationally as the current players,does it just indicate u16 tournaments are a waste of time?
My thinking is the more you learn ,earlier, the better player you will be faster.So it just comes down to getting a better u16structure in place nationally,with better coaches and picking the best players .Not wasting time on one select group.
Sending a select u16 to tournaments overseas should not happen under the Australian banner ,under FFA funding unless they are the best available.
Playing for a national team at any age should be a reward for being the best players.
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+xJust having a look at the Japan u16's games played from June 2015 - Sept 2016 Costa rica 7-0 Chile 2-0 France 3-1 England 4-3 France 3-2 Mongolia 17-0 Hong Kong 7-0 Hungary 4-1 Mail 1-2 (there was no mri scans done on Mail) Mexico 6-0 And then the last three results 8-0 7-0 and 6-0 Apart from the great results have a look at the country's played and compare them to who we've played. Now we go smacked by a very good team. Find fault in the players/coaches/formation/tactics/technique not the best team picked the conditions the travel whatever but its clear that the preparation in order to develop these young boys.....we are a million miles behind. incredible results japan play a pretty impressive style too so perhaps those results signal a very good senior generation for them
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+xJDBO3It is likely that nationally at u16 level nationally we just arent structurally at the same level as countries like Japan.Whether this has any relevance to the performance of players nationally at older ages is maybe debatable.U19 's were much more professional and competent at most aspects of the game.If at u16 ,these same players were as bad nationally as the current players,does it just indicate u16 tournaments are a waste of time?My thinking is the more you learn ,earlier, the better player you will be faster.So it just comes down to getting a better u16structure in place nationally,with better coaches and picking the best players .Not wasting time on one select group. Sending a select u16 to tournaments overseas should not happen under the Australian banner ,under FFA funding unless they are the best available.Playing for a national team at any age should be a reward for being the best players. I agree totally. I guess atm with regards to the COE its at a stage where some players had a option of HAL youth set ups and not take up the offer, so then this opened the door for other players to be offered a scholarship. For eg there is not one player from VIC at the COE why..... they took the City and victory option. That up to the kid and families as to what they do. my point is that these options weren't really there before so you would most likely see the best players at the COE. The question now is why aren't the best players at these comps? Maybe the coaches believe that they are? This is debatable and based on opinion.
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If I was a youth I would choose an A league youth set up over the COE personally just because it looks a better option and wouldn't mean moving
I suspect many youth have done this too
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+x+x+xOne of things FFA do ATM is keep most COE and underage national team tournaments quite secretive. Their perception is that don't want many football journos, who basically know nothing about analysing football, reporting on results exclusively. They have a point. However, FFA hardly ever publicise any tournaments. Many coaches lower down in the Oz system want to see what the the final product looks like at the top end. FFA staff coaches have alway watched these games when I talk to them, but it is like it is a secretive event. There was a lot of fuss made about Berger or Ali Edwards visiting Tas. Another 442 poster PMed me to ask about the NTC comp being held in Tas, as his brother was playing in it. I knew nothing about it and contacted a mate who is a football journo, with a high level coaching and playing background. He knew nothing. We rang FFTas. Because we knew which questions to ask, thanks to the 442 poster, we found out where the comp was. When we arrived it was all it was all over and had been going for days! There was nothing in the local media about it! What a great way of keeping the football community onside- keeping tournaments secret and banning journos! And also declaring that "journos know nothing about football"! You have to despair for the future with this sort of arrogance and high handedness. I said FFA perceived that many journos are incapable of analysing football game results beyond goals scored and conceded. Can you provide concrete examples that a majority of journos , with no significant playing or coach education background in football, can analyse games beyond goals scored and conceded? What football criteria would they use that they are familiar with? The old deflecting criticism with pedantry trick! Seems that "our system is so fantastic and complex that mere players, journalists and fans don't understand it"! Elitist, corporate bullshit.
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+xJust having a look at the Japan u16's games played from June 2015 - Sept 2016 Costa rica 7-0 Chile 2-0 France 3-1 England 4-3 France 3-2 Mongolia 17-0 Hong Kong 7-0 Hungary 4-1 Mail 1-2 (there was no mri scans done on Mail) Mexico 6-0 And then the last three results 8-0 7-0 and 6-0 Someone needs to tell whoever is running the program over there that results don't matter.
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+x+x+x+x[quote]What a disgrace from the joeys, 6-0 and failing to pick up a point in the group and crash out. Huge technical level disparity between both sides and also tactically Japan much more sound tactically too, surely questions will be asked? And to think these kids have gone through the new system they still technically not good enough and their level of football IQ was very poor. At least the young socceroos did well to win, hopefully they can qualify for the world cup and do a much better effort than the Joeys! Eric Abrams doesnt realise how much a big a task he has to fix the youth system here in australia. http://www.the-afc.com/u-16-championship-2016/japan-cruise-into-quarter-final-meeting-with-uaeGroup B winners Japan cruised into the AFC U-16 Championship India 2016 quarter-finals and a meeting with United Arab Emirates on the back of a perfect record after thrashing already-eliminated Australia 6-0 at GMC Stadium on Thursday.A much-changed Japan side took the lead inside five minutes through Soichiro Kozuki but after a dominant first half-hour by the team in blue, Australia did respond to keep the scoreline 1-0 at the break.The two-time winners, who had already posted scorelines of 7-0 and 8-0 in their previous Group B fixtures, raised their game in the second half and Taisei Miyashiro and Gijo Sehata all netted before the hour-mark, after which Nagi Matsumoto thumped home a sublime finish before Kozuki completed his brace on 83 minutes and substitute Akito Tanahashi added the side's sixth.Having already wrapped up Group B with a game to spare, Japan coach Yoshiro Moriyama made several changes to his starting line-up as seven players made their tournament bows.The Joeys, meanwhile, had just the one enforced change with injured midfielder Fabian Monge making way for Jacob Italiano.It was one of Australia's ever-presents, Thomas Aquilina, who was at the centre of the game's first action, though, as his pass to his centre-back partner Joel King was short and Kozuki intercepted before firing past Nicholas Suman to give Japan the lead within the opening four minutes.The Australia 'keeper was being kept busy as Toichi Suzuki then forced Suman into a sprawling save before he tipped over Miyashiro's rising drive as Japan dominated the opening spells.Shunsuke Tanimoto then passed up a golden chance for goal number two before 20 minutes were up as he blazed over from Kenta Kikuchi's cross, before Miyashiro drilled wide when one-on-one with Suman. Australia almost punished Japan's prolificacy halfway through the first half as Dylan Pierias found time outside the penalty area to unleash a firm effort on goal that drew a solid save from Kokoro Aoki. Indeed, despite having been overwhelmed in the opening period, it was Australia who arguably finished the half the stronger despite remaining a goal behind at the interval. The Joeys looked to keep up the momentum after the break but eight minutes in it was Japan who added their second as Miyashiro slid home Suzuki's low cross from the right. And Moriyama's team gave Australia a mountain to climb just a minute later as Kikuchi's deep cross from the left was sent back into the middle by Suzuki and Sehata tapped in from close-range to put his side three goals to the good. Matsumoto then scored the pick of the bunch on 64 minutes with a stunning strike from the cusp of the penalty area that rocketed into the top corner for a 4-0 scoreline. Roberts went close to a consolation for Australia with nine minutes remaining after his forceful run into the box culminated with Aoki tipping his shot onto the crossbar. But Japan responded immediately by surging up the field and Kozuki fired low past Suman for Japan's fifth. And there was still time for Tanahashi to net his fourth of the tournament, and goal number six for Japan, as his low shot rolled in via the inside of Suman's left-hand post with five minutes left. Japan coach Yoshiro Moriyama:
"We scored early but after the first goal we had a lot of opportunities that we couldn't finish and so we struggled a bit in the first half. We played well in the second half, though and the goals came again. "I was impressed with all the players who played today, all the performances were good and it was clear they gave 100 percent for the team. "If I had to pick out one, it would be Nagi Matsumoto. He is the youngest in the team and I'm sure he was nervous, so I was especially impressed with him. "We couldn't finish as clinically as we could have so we'll need to improve this accuracy in the games ahead." Australia coach Tony Vidmar:
"We gave away a goal straight away so were on the back foot early on. Although we came back into the game in parts our turnover rate and possession was poor. "There was gaps in our team and Japan, an excellent team, were simply playing through us. "We will go back and review what happened and go from there. Our side is a young one and maybe physically at a disadvantage as we struggled but we always look at the talent and potential we have. "It will be a big learning experience for them to have played at a tournament like this. For the next stage in their careers they will hopefully take on board these lessons from the past two weeks." Interesting that Vidmar claimed they played young talented players, who may have been a bit young for the comp. What were Postecoglou's results when he got the grilling from Foster? IMO Vidmar should be sacked immediately. There are no excuses for those losses against these teams. Yes and no. You could argue tactics all day but, at the risk of upsetting a few parents here, the skills on show last night in the under 16's match were deplorable. You are talking about kids that cannot hit a pass more the 5 metres 2 or 3 times in a row. Kids that couldn't trap or control the ball or take a first touch away from trouble. I could not believe, even if some of the other kids are now in youth HAL setups, the poor skills on display. It really was woeful and blaming the coach for picking favourites or not getting the tactics right is only part of the problem. How can you employ tactics if you don't have the cattle in the first place? Don't believe me, ask tsf or TheSelectFew or anyone that watched the game last night. They will tell you exactly the same thing. And as for the pathetic under 19's showing the other night where apparently we 'played the better football' and lost 5 - 1 well that really is something else again. Hopefully that'll be turned around in time for the final.
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+x+xJust having a look at the Japan u16's games played from June 2015 - Sept 2016 Costa rica 7-0 Chile 2-0 France 3-1 England 4-3 France 3-2 Mongolia 17-0 Hong Kong 7-0 Hungary 4-1 Mail 1-2 (there was no mri scans done on Mail) Mexico 6-0 And then the last three results 8-0 7-0 and 6-0 Someone needs to tell whoever is running the program over there that results don't matter.
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+x+xJust having a look at the Japan u16's games played from June 2015 - Sept 2016 Costa rica 7-0 Chile 2-0 France 3-1 England 4-3 France 3-2 Mongolia 17-0 Hong Kong 7-0 Hungary 4-1 Mail 1-2 (there was no mri scans done on Mail) Mexico 6-0 And then the last three results 8-0 7-0 and 6-0 Someone needs to tell whoever is running the program over there that results don't matter. I'll do it.
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The u19 played well and comfortably beat Vietnam,yet they were well beaten by Thailand.I didnt see that game .But can anyone explain the difference?Are Thailand the best team?
One thing to consider is that a lot of these youth coaches for our natinal teams are effectively cutting their teeth .They are not experienced at nuances of coaching and I think this shows,particularly with more complex issues of defending turnovers .
When you consider that many failed HAL coaches struggle with things like defending turnovers,why are we not getting better coaxhes for youth teams?
When I see lots of space in defence and no covering when players go forward and I see an u16 japanese team getting back in numbers and being very structured in defence ,I wonder if our coaching is just not good enough .
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+xThe u19 played well and comfortably beat Vietnam,yet they were well beaten by Thailand.I didnt see that game .But can anyone explain the difference?Are Thailand the best team?One thing to consider is that a lot of these youth coaches for our natinal teams are effectively cutting their teeth .They are not experienced at nuances of coaching and I think this shows,particularly with more complex issues of defending turnovers .When you consider that many failed HAL coaches struggle with things like defending turnovers,why are we not getting better coaxhes for youth teams?When I see lots of space in defence and no covering when players go forward and I see an u16 japanese team getting back in numbers and being very structured in defence ,I wonder if our coaching is just not good enough . And it surely could be good enough if Gombau was in charge of a younger age group. By the time we're talking about the Olyroos, they should have got that sort of stuff down pat. Shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted? Maybe a bit of an exaggeration and some of them will already be really decent footballers just finetuning. Still.
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The Japanese have always done youth development very well. There was an article about it over on the Leopold method website by Scott Mc last year in which he talks about how the clubs offer a good developmental pathway and a realistic chance of getting in to the first team. There is also a very developed youth league with players playing 40+ games a season. I missed the game against Japan last night but would expect them to be very well drilled, very technical and very good at following a plan.
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+x+xJust having a look at the Japan u16's games played from June 2015 - Sept 2016 Costa rica 7-0 Chile 2-0 France 3-1 England 4-3 France 3-2 Mongolia 17-0 Hong Kong 7-0 Hungary 4-1 Mail 1-2 (there was no mri scans done on Mail) Mexico 6-0 And then the last three results 8-0 7-0 and 6-0 Apart from the great results have a look at the country's played and compare them to who we've played. Now we go smacked by a very good team. Find fault in the players/coaches/formation/tactics/technique not the best team picked the conditions the travel whatever but its clear that the preparation in order to develop these young boys.....we are a million miles behind. incredible results japan play a pretty impressive style too so perhaps those results signal a very good senior generation for them Agree. Very impressive results. When Vidmar's under 16s beat them a while ago, it must have been one of the last teams to do so. The way Japan play is good too.
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+xThe Japanese have always done youth development very well. There was an article about it over on the Leopold method website by Scott Mc last year in which he talks about how the clubs offer a good developmental pathway and a realistic chance of getting in to the first team. There is also a very developed youth league with players playing 40+ games a season. I missed the game against Japan last night but would expect them to be very well drilled, very technical and very good at following a plan. 40 plus games per season in a well established youth league is good for development.
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+x+x+x+xOne of things FFA do ATM is keep most COE and underage national team tournaments quite secretive. Their perception is that don't want many football journos, who basically know nothing about analysing football, reporting on results exclusively. They have a point. However, FFA hardly ever publicise any tournaments. Many coaches lower down in the Oz system want to see what the the final product looks like at the top end. FFA staff coaches have alway watched these games when I talk to them, but it is like it is a secretive event. There was a lot of fuss made about Berger or Ali Edwards visiting Tas. Another 442 poster PMed me to ask about the NTC comp being held in Tas, as his brother was playing in it. I knew nothing about it and contacted a mate who is a football journo, with a high level coaching and playing background. He knew nothing. We rang FFTas. Because we knew which questions to ask, thanks to the 442 poster, we found out where the comp was. When we arrived it was all it was all over and had been going for days! There was nothing in the local media about it! What a great way of keeping the football community onside- keeping tournaments secret and banning journos! And also declaring that "journos know nothing about football"! You have to despair for the future with this sort of arrogance and high handedness. I said FFA perceived that many journos are incapable of analysing football game results beyond goals scored and conceded. Can you provide concrete examples that a majority of journos , with no significant playing or coach education background in football, can analyse games beyond goals scored and conceded? What football criteria would they use that they are familiar with? The old deflecting criticism with pedantry trick! Seems that "our system is so fantastic and complex that mere players, journalists and fans don't understand it"! Elitist, corporate bullshit. Obviously you can't. Given an opportunity to deconstruct and refute what FFA advance in terms of people not trained in football being able to analyse it with a degree of insight, you prefer to play the man, not the ball.
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With regards to u19s v Thailand , tounament football does tend to turn up some crazy results , remember also that Talay is new coach for this group of 23 players and it looks like he was trying out different combinations , playing to the players strengths . Last night was another story where we played a previously unbeaten Veitnam in their backyard and gave them a touch up . Like I said tounament football can be strange sometimes. Not sure where the young joeys go from here but I wouldn't be throwing the baby out with the bath water just yet , maybe we should look to Japan for our youth development ?
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