Stadium is too big.

The FA can't just think about ratings and they won't. What they want are sustainable clubs with a following, Canberra and Wollongong fit that criteria and have stadiums. The 3rd Melbourne team and others will come eventually. 

What is the potential of a second Brisbane club in Brisbane Strikers FC? They have a lot of things going for them: existing npl broad-based club with history in the former NSL. They would start a derby with the Roar (whom the Strikers lost to when initially bidding for the A-League). They may attract disillusioned Roar/other fans. I don't know how much support they have and Perry Park is small but surely it can be upgraded and modernised?

Geelong offers a area that would be very sustainable.
Currently the Geelong Cats only need a crowd of 4000 to break even. It's actually more profitable for them to get a crowd of 22000 than getting 70000 at the MCG.
I believe there were figures thrown around of making about 600k per an average home game.
Kardinia Park currently is vacant in the summer.

The media and region are very parochial. When Victory plays down at Geelong they dedicate a min of 4 pages to the sport for the games and have a very loyal following in the AFL.

So with a supportive council; media and stadium ownership and base of even 7500 members can be sustainable and that's not even including the derbies which would be money spinner for all three Victorian sides.

what they dont have is a suitable stadium

The FTA networks feel that the current 5 cities ratings system is flawed and are pushing for national ratings to be used the criteria for when considering advertising as they indicate the true impact of a production rather than the five city ratings.

How do FOXTEL feel about it because it will be them pushing for locations?

I assume they would follow suit. They aren't the biggest players.

It seems unlikely that FTA would swoop in and take control from FOXTEL.

FOXTEL have done the leg work and have the relationship with FFA.

FTA would not have as much say as FOXTEL regarding expansion imo.

you would think the TV dosh would be enough to put them up in suncorp with roar

Brisbane Strikers Brisbane Roar doubler headers

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Do we get City, Victory double headers now?
 

You may as well place the team at Redcliffe. Suncorp would/will be a disaster for any new team in the A-League.

I didn't mean that as a comment per se on decisions re the HAL - more that in general terms that Foxtel will follow what the FTA in terms of how advertising rates are determined. 

Tbh i've never heard of Redcliffe being targeted as an expansion area not do i know much about the Moreton Bay area.
Just did a quick google and see that the Dolphins are aiming for a revamp of the venue almost suitable for Brisbane #2 side.
For a club that plays in the second tier why do they have such a tidy little stadium? Do they get big crowds?

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http://www.visitmoretonbayregion.com.au/dolphin-stadium-redcliffe-is-now-open-and-youre-invited-to-the-housewarming-party/

That's beautiful. I think it may be used for rugby too,

Before the NSWRL came in a created the Broncos they were a 1st grade team. They have not bid for an A-League team. I think Power will play games at the stadium. They are looking to be a hub for teams. They have one of the biggest leagues clubs in Qld and own the stadium and shopping centre (I pretty sure)

This is from their shopping centre page 

The Dolphins brand has been firmly entrenched in the hearts and minds of the local community since 1947. Today it is the most recognisable brand on the Peninsula.

The Dolphins are genuine market leaders in their chosen endeavours including the award winning Dolphins Health Precinct; the mighty Redcliffe Dolphins, the most successful side in the history of the Queensland Cup; the remarkable Redcliffe Leagues Club; and the state of the art Dolphins Bingo Centre.

The next exciting phase of Dolphins growth is this modern retail environment, Dolphins Central, offering locals an additional community service. A range of retail outlets are offered to make the necessity of shopping a joy rather than a chore.

For local businesses, the opportunity to leverage the powerful Dolphins brand combined with the foot traffic a brand new Coles Supermarket will deliver now and into the future.
http://www.dolphinscentral.com.au/index.php/about-us'

 

Part of $12 million. That was stage 1. 



 going to be something like this

Dolphins have their own state of the art bingo hall???!!! They've gotta be the first cab off the rank now.

You laugh, but Moreton Bay has 450 000 people in their council. Just opened a new train line close(ish) to the stadium at Kippa-Ring. 

Does almost fit Gallop fish thing, but yeah, they are Rugby League as f there.  IMO they could almost pull off an NRL team. 

My laughter wasn't a reflection on whether they are a good prospect for a side (most of the things said look extremely promising). I was just mocking their "About Us" page description of themself which boasted about their bingo centre:

"The Dolphins are genuine market leaders in their chosen endeavours including the award winning Dolphins Health Precinct; the mighty Redcliffe Dolphins, the most successful side in the history of the Queensland Cup; the remarkable Redcliffe Leagues Club; and the state of the art Dolphins Bingo Centre."

Bingo is amazing. Morton Bay for Aliq

Wow! In!

So what you're saying is that in 12 years of a NZ team being in the A league 38 Aussies have been given first team opportunities, which is 3 Aussies a season, pretty underwhelming.

As opposed to an Australian based team which at the bare minimum has 9 Aussie players a game (6 Aussies on field with the other 5 foreigners and 3 Aussie subs). Even if the Aussie clubs were to use the same team each game and have no injuries or suspensions for the season, they are at a minimum (and this scenario is virtually impossible) playing 3 times as many Aussie players than any NZ team has. This is the problem with having 1 team from NZ let alone 2.

I don't know why everyone is so supportive of any NZ (or foreign) teams in the A league when we have not got that many professional opportunities in Australia for our own players. Not to mention the pitiful return we get for the TV deal from NZ, I doubt a derby will make it go up heaps. No NZ TV company is going to break the bank for essentially 3 big games, when there is not even competition for the rights in NZ.

 Ohh and anyone complaining about aussie clubs playing players like Marc Warren, etc. There have been plenty of shit NZ players who have played for the Nix.

The other issue is the added cost of travel, which is either paid for by the FFA or clubs (I am not sure). Seems like an unnecessary expense, where we are still playing catch up in finances as a league. Especially considering there are plenty of local options, who could easily get a team bus to some away games, especially in NSW or VIC.

Again, not saying they should be first option at all, but you can't deny that auckland ticks a lot of the boxes for the ffa, or that they haven't contributed to the development of australian footballers. How can you say almost 40 players getting an opportunity to play professional football isn't something? Thats 38 players who would otherwise be stuck in amateur football, and thats not even including the australian coaches, management, academy players, etc that have been with the nix. 
And the point of me bringing it up in the first place is because there is mostly resentment towards the idea, i don't know how u can say everyone is so supportive of NZ teams when most people would take their chances with a tassie team before even looking across the ditch.

Have said it all along the only way the Nix can be a success off the field is for a team to come in from Auckland, otherwise they'll be mediocre forever. The issue currently with bringing in a team from Auckland would be $$$. There's probably nobody at the moment who'd have the balls to fund it. A local derby would be huge for NZ and for both clubs. You'd defintely see an increase in members, sponsors, you'd think even SkyNZ would tip something in too.

Ok put it this way, 38 Aussie players in 12 years (or 3 a season) courtesy of NZ football VS 108 players at a minimum (9 a season) in 12 years if it was an Aussie team.

The numbers just don't stack up. For everything an Auckland team would add an Aussie team can add that and more. There is nothing to suggest they will even bring in additional viewers/TV revenue

Even if it were true that those 3 games a year were big, what about when they travel to Australia and no one is turning up to see either NZ team play. Nix are the least attractive team in terms of numbers when it comes to playing away. Why would you want a second team like that for 3 big games a year.

There is also nothing to suggest SkyNZ would tip in a lot of extra cash because of 3 games, as I'm pretty sure they are the only ones remotely interested in the A league rights.

Its utter madness jaymz... just cut and paste this merrick quote (the quote from my post that paddy conveniently ommited) everytime a nz expansion crackpot arks up...

""First and foremost it has always been the club's intention to give young New Zealanders an opportunity to play professional football," Merrick said."I will continue to take that approach but I need to find a balance between New Zealand Football's demands for players in the international window when our Kiwi players are required for the All Whites and the need to field a competitive team." - ernie merrick, wellington phoenix manager.

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