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+xI presume the Dutch club you talking about is Brisbane. I follow SFC in the A-League & Manly in the NPL. When SFC plays Brisbane, I have no such feeling that this is club has a Dutch heritage from the game day experience. When Manly plays Olympic, there is no doubt that this club has Greek heritage. And when you go to a wellington match in another country do you feel like youre in australia? And watching an australian club with australian heritage? Like i said im not arguing for olympics inclusion. i know that smfc are a broad based club now, have ticked all boxes for viablity and deserve a spot in the top flight.
Is Wellington diverse? Dont know, however this is a club that has no historical or existing link to a specific migrant group - Rusty Einstein
The negative stereotypes are perpetuated by people who either have no idea or are serving a vested interest; neither viewpoint should get anywhere near running Australian football - Ange Postecoglou
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I have no issues with South Melb's inclusion as I have no experience with them lately. I think they would be a very strong inclusion to the A-League. I just cannot comment on the way they portray themselves in Vic NPL.
Sydney Olympic is the experience I had & that is the one club that should not going anywhere near the A-League.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDoes anyone like the idea of a team playing out of balmier sports ground??? If they were to play 1 or 2 game out of jubilee or cronulla you could get that whole area behind the team, and it wouldn't be taking too many supporters from SFC or WSW. Maybe it would work better vice versa (1 or 2 games at balmier, home ground jubilee), but personally would love to see a team playing there one day. Not olympic though... dont know this club that youve made a stipulation about......Why not olympic? Can you please be explicit? Sydney Olympic. Nothing against them just feel that they would fail to bring in a wider audience. If you follow the nsw npl you can see olympic have always had an emphasis on greek culture and have kind of clung onto it, which is great for them as an NPL side but is too risky for A-League. They also have a lot of enemies in the area as well so it just wouldn't work Australians of Greek descent at least formally register their clubs in Australia for Tax purposes. ??? South Melbourne is registered under Australian Tax Laws. Wellington or a Auckland team are not. South Melbourne is founded by Australians born overseas. That is their only crime. It is back door 'pro Anglo' racism, this Aus-NZ Sporting Alliance. It is a sham which the Aussie Soccer Community is calling out. Ok you can't compare nz and olympic purely on the basis that i have brought them up on separate occasions. I love olympic in the npl, great team, great people, but i just don't see them engaging the kogarah area that they would need to in order to be successful. All things being equal, clubs like apia, like melita, like blacktown have all done a lot more to engage their wider local community than what olympic has done, and i can confidently say that as a local, a fan, a coach, a former referee and a player. Its not "effnick" bs, its actually simple fact, and you would agree if you have ever been to one of their games. As for the tax thing, you are right. They pay tax to Oz. Does that make me change my mind about NZ - no. And its not "pro-anglo racism" for someone to suggest a culturally dominated club whose image hasn't really changed too much since the NSL days would be unhealthy for the A-League. You brought them up idiot. Randomly. You introduced them into the discussion as a means of instigating bullshit about the internal effnik debate. Dont play coy here. Youre an inflammatory upstart hypocrite prick is all you are. wow both of you are looking ways to much into this. You know there are other people who like the idea of Auckland, you really need to get out of that bubble. "Other people" ......very scientific of you. Youre starting to sound alot like ryan m with your unsubstantiated bullshit.
And who are all these legions of people that support aukland? the ones that didnt show up last time we pumped millions of dollars into an overseas foreign club that bombed? The same people who didn't support the last quagmire?
Its hilarious that you opened up the ethnic debate and talking about clubs that can or cannot reach a broad based Australian audience and in the same breath are calling for auklands inclusion - a club that by all logic and by its very definition WILL NOT APPEAL TO A BROAD-BASED AUSTRALIAN AUDIENCE. FKN LOL.
You want to talk about ethnicity....have you seen the latest yoshi/youve gotta have a team campaign? There are maori women in traditional dress doing the haka. Thats some pretty bold ethnic imagery being utilized in the main advertising campaign, that most certainly doesnt relate to a broadbased australian audience let alone attract one....
Now how does that impact the NCIIP? The use of bold ethnic imagery.... now i have nothing but respect for the proud maori people, but the ffa are having a laugh.... and makes all of you hypocritical idiots like williamn, ryan m, paulc yourself etc etc who are so accepting of a foreign nz club, and the use of bold ethnic imagery to advertise our league, (yet are so fkn outspoken about Australian clubs and their ethnic roots) look like a the fkn ridiculous fkn joke that you all are. No no no no no. Just no. Comparing a maori welcome dance with olympics greek culture is incompatible. Thats like saying its racist of a club to have a welcome to country from aboriginal australians. And saying no one can relate to auckland is no different to a WSW not being able to relate to perth or mariners or any other team. A perth team won't necessarily appeal to a melbourne audience in the same way an auckland team wouldn't appeal to a sydney audience, thats why these people called fans usually support the team from their area. And if you think that me saying sydney olympic has a greek culture surrounding it is racist and a use of "bold ethnic imagery" then you are well and truly inside that bubble of yours. Hope for your sake you can pop it one day...
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HortoMagiko
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDoes anyone like the idea of a team playing out of balmier sports ground??? If they were to play 1 or 2 game out of jubilee or cronulla you could get that whole area behind the team, and it wouldn't be taking too many supporters from SFC or WSW. Maybe it would work better vice versa (1 or 2 games at balmier, home ground jubilee), but personally would love to see a team playing there one day. Not olympic though... dont know this club that youve made a stipulation about......Why not olympic? Can you please be explicit? Sydney Olympic. Nothing against them just feel that they would fail to bring in a wider audience. If you follow the nsw npl you can see olympic have always had an emphasis on greek culture and have kind of clung onto it, which is great for them as an NPL side but is too risky for A-League. They also have a lot of enemies in the area as well so it just wouldn't work Australians of Greek descent at least formally register their clubs in Australia for Tax purposes. ??? South Melbourne is registered under Australian Tax Laws. Wellington or a Auckland team are not. South Melbourne is founded by Australians born overseas. That is their only crime. It is back door 'pro Anglo' racism, this Aus-NZ Sporting Alliance. It is a sham which the Aussie Soccer Community is calling out. Ok you can't compare nz and olympic purely on the basis that i have brought them up on separate occasions. I love olympic in the npl, great team, great people, but i just don't see them engaging the kogarah area that they would need to in order to be successful. All things being equal, clubs like apia, like melita, like blacktown have all done a lot more to engage their wider local community than what olympic has done, and i can confidently say that as a local, a fan, a coach, a former referee and a player. Its not "effnick" bs, its actually simple fact, and you would agree if you have ever been to one of their games. As for the tax thing, you are right. They pay tax to Oz. Does that make me change my mind about NZ - no. And its not "pro-anglo racism" for someone to suggest a culturally dominated club whose image hasn't really changed too much since the NSL days would be unhealthy for the A-League. You brought them up idiot. Randomly. You introduced them into the discussion as a means of instigating bullshit about the internal effnik debate. Dont play coy here. Youre an inflammatory upstart hypocrite prick is all you are. wow both of you are looking ways to much into this. You know there are other people who like the idea of Auckland, you really need to get out of that bubble. "Other people" ......very scientific of you. Youre starting to sound alot like ryan m with your unsubstantiated bullshit.
And who are all these legions of people that support aukland? the ones that didnt show up last time we pumped millions of dollars into an overseas foreign club that bombed? The same people who didn't support the last quagmire?
Its hilarious that you opened up the ethnic debate and talking about clubs that can or cannot reach a broad based Australian audience and in the same breath are calling for auklands inclusion - a club that by all logic and by its very definition WILL NOT APPEAL TO A BROAD-BASED AUSTRALIAN AUDIENCE. FKN LOL.
You want to talk about ethnicity....have you seen the latest yoshi/youve gotta have a team campaign? There are maori women in traditional dress doing the haka. Thats some pretty bold ethnic imagery being utilized in the main advertising campaign, that most certainly doesnt relate to a broadbased australian audience let alone attract one....
Now how does that impact the NCIIP? The use of bold ethnic imagery.... now i have nothing but respect for the proud maori people, but the ffa are having a laugh.... and makes all of you hypocritical idiots like williamn, ryan m, paulc yourself etc etc who are so accepting of a foreign nz club, and the use of bold ethnic imagery to advertise our league, (yet are so fkn outspoken about Australian clubs and their ethnic roots) look like a the fkn ridiculous fkn joke that you all are. No no no no no. Just no. Comparing a maori welcome dance with olympics greek culture is incompatible. Thats like saying its racist of a club to have a welcome to country from aboriginal australians. And saying no one can relate to auckland is no different to a WSW not being able to relate to perth or mariners or any other team. A perth team won't necessarily appeal to a melbourne audience in the same way an auckland team wouldn't appeal to a sydney audience, thats why these people called fans usually support the team from their area. And if you think that me saying sydney olympic has a greek culture surrounding it is racist and a use of "bold ethnic imagery" then you are well and truly inside that bubble of yours. Hope for your sake you can pop it one day... Congratulations. Youve just lost all credibility with that barely legible, incoherent and waffling post. An absolutley nonsensical pile of turd of a post. Did you read my post? Do you know what the NCIP actually is? Do you know what constitutes a breach of that policy? Do you undersatnd what thhe fuck youre talking about and or what the differnece is between your arse and your elbow? Youre a sham. and a charlatan. but most of all youre a hypocrite cretin who idiotically raised an argument that comepletely debunks your original line of argument... shows you what a self contradicting fool you are. Youre pontificating about ethnicity from your foreign standpoint. Youre saying its ok to advertise bold ethnic imagery in association w the promotion of one club, but thats its not ok to do with another. Shit poster.
Is Wellington diverse? Dont know, however this is a club that has no historical or existing link to a specific migrant group - Rusty Einstein
The negative stereotypes are perpetuated by people who either have no idea or are serving a vested interest; neither viewpoint should get anywhere near running Australian football - Ange Postecoglou
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDoes anyone like the idea of a team playing out of balmier sports ground??? If they were to play 1 or 2 game out of jubilee or cronulla you could get that whole area behind the team, and it wouldn't be taking too many supporters from SFC or WSW. Maybe it would work better vice versa (1 or 2 games at balmier, home ground jubilee), but personally would love to see a team playing there one day. Not olympic though... dont know this club that youve made a stipulation about......Why not olympic? Can you please be explicit? Sydney Olympic. Nothing against them just feel that they would fail to bring in a wider audience. If you follow the nsw npl you can see olympic have always had an emphasis on greek culture and have kind of clung onto it, which is great for them as an NPL side but is too risky for A-League. They also have a lot of enemies in the area as well so it just wouldn't work Australians of Greek descent at least formally register their clubs in Australia for Tax purposes. ??? South Melbourne is registered under Australian Tax Laws. Wellington or a Auckland team are not. South Melbourne is founded by Australians born overseas. That is their only crime. It is back door 'pro Anglo' racism, this Aus-NZ Sporting Alliance. It is a sham which the Aussie Soccer Community is calling out. Ok you can't compare nz and olympic purely on the basis that i have brought them up on separate occasions. I love olympic in the npl, great team, great people, but i just don't see them engaging the kogarah area that they would need to in order to be successful. All things being equal, clubs like apia, like melita, like blacktown have all done a lot more to engage their wider local community than what olympic has done, and i can confidently say that as a local, a fan, a coach, a former referee and a player. Its not "effnick" bs, its actually simple fact, and you would agree if you have ever been to one of their games. As for the tax thing, you are right. They pay tax to Oz. Does that make me change my mind about NZ - no. And its not "pro-anglo racism" for someone to suggest a culturally dominated club whose image hasn't really changed too much since the NSL days would be unhealthy for the A-League. You brought them up idiot. Randomly. You introduced them into the discussion as a means of instigating bullshit about the internal effnik debate. Dont play coy here. Youre an inflammatory upstart hypocrite prick is all you are. wow both of you are looking ways to much into this. You know there are other people who like the idea of Auckland, you really need to get out of that bubble. "Other people" ......very scientific of you. Youre starting to sound alot like ryan m with your unsubstantiated bullshit.
And who are all these legions of people that support aukland? the ones that didnt show up last time we pumped millions of dollars into an overseas foreign club that bombed? The same people who didn't support the last quagmire?
Its hilarious that you opened up the ethnic debate and talking about clubs that can or cannot reach a broad based Australian audience and in the same breath are calling for auklands inclusion - a club that by all logic and by its very definition WILL NOT APPEAL TO A BROAD-BASED AUSTRALIAN AUDIENCE. FKN LOL.
You want to talk about ethnicity....have you seen the latest yoshi/youve gotta have a team campaign? There are maori women in traditional dress doing the haka. Thats some pretty bold ethnic imagery being utilized in the main advertising campaign, that most certainly doesnt relate to a broadbased australian audience let alone attract one....
Now how does that impact the NCIIP? The use of bold ethnic imagery.... now i have nothing but respect for the proud maori people, but the ffa are having a laugh.... and makes all of you hypocritical idiots like williamn, ryan m, paulc yourself etc etc who are so accepting of a foreign nz club, and the use of bold ethnic imagery to advertise our league, (yet are so fkn outspoken about Australian clubs and their ethnic roots) look like a the fkn ridiculous fkn joke that you all are. No no no no no. Just no. Comparing a maori welcome dance with olympics greek culture is incompatible. Thats like saying its racist of a club to have a welcome to country from aboriginal australians. And saying no one can relate to auckland is no different to a WSW not being able to relate to perth or mariners or any other team. A perth team won't necessarily appeal to a melbourne audience in the same way an auckland team wouldn't appeal to a sydney audience, thats why these people called fans usually support the team from their area. And if you think that me saying sydney olympic has a greek culture surrounding it is racist and a use of "bold ethnic imagery" then you are well and truly inside that bubble of yours. Hope for your sake you can pop it one day... Congratulations. Youve just lost all credibility with that barely legible, incoherent and waffling post. An absolutley nonsensical pile of turd of a post. Did you read my post? Do you know what the NCIP actually is? Do you know what constitutes a breach of that policy? Do you undersatnd what thhe fuck youre talking about and or what the differnece is between your arse and your elbow? Youre a sham. and a charlatan. but most of all youre a hypocrite cretin who idiotically raised an argument that comepletely debunks your original line of argument... shows you what a self contradicting fool you are. Youre pontificating about ethnicity from your foreign standpoint. Youre saying its ok to advertise bold ethnic imagery in association w the promotion of one club, but thats its not ok to do with another. Shit poster. +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDoes anyone like the idea of a team playing out of balmier sports ground??? If they were to play 1 or 2 game out of jubilee or cronulla you could get that whole area behind the team, and it wouldn't be taking too many supporters from SFC or WSW. Maybe it would work better vice versa (1 or 2 games at balmier, home ground jubilee), but personally would love to see a team playing there one day. Not olympic though... dont know this club that youve made a stipulation about......Why not olympic? Can you please be explicit? Sydney Olympic. Nothing against them just feel that they would fail to bring in a wider audience. If you follow the nsw npl you can see olympic have always had an emphasis on greek culture and have kind of clung onto it, which is great for them as an NPL side but is too risky for A-League. They also have a lot of enemies in the area as well so it just wouldn't work Australians of Greek descent at least formally register their clubs in Australia for Tax purposes. ??? South Melbourne is registered under Australian Tax Laws. Wellington or a Auckland team are not. South Melbourne is founded by Australians born overseas. That is their only crime. It is back door 'pro Anglo' racism, this Aus-NZ Sporting Alliance. It is a sham which the Aussie Soccer Community is calling out. Ok you can't compare nz and olympic purely on the basis that i have brought them up on separate occasions. I love olympic in the npl, great team, great people, but i just don't see them engaging the kogarah area that they would need to in order to be successful. All things being equal, clubs like apia, like melita, like blacktown have all done a lot more to engage their wider local community than what olympic has done, and i can confidently say that as a local, a fan, a coach, a former referee and a player. Its not "effnick" bs, its actually simple fact, and you would agree if you have ever been to one of their games. As for the tax thing, you are right. They pay tax to Oz. Does that make me change my mind about NZ - no. And its not "pro-anglo racism" for someone to suggest a culturally dominated club whose image hasn't really changed too much since the NSL days would be unhealthy for the A-League. You brought them up idiot. Randomly. You introduced them into the discussion as a means of instigating bullshit about the internal effnik debate. Dont play coy here. Youre an inflammatory upstart hypocrite prick is all you are. wow both of you are looking ways to much into this. You know there are other people who like the idea of Auckland, you really need to get out of that bubble. "Other people" ......very scientific of you. Youre starting to sound alot like ryan m with your unsubstantiated bullshit.
And who are all these legions of people that support aukland? the ones that didnt show up last time we pumped millions of dollars into an overseas foreign club that bombed? The same people who didn't support the last quagmire?
Its hilarious that you opened up the ethnic debate and talking about clubs that can or cannot reach a broad based Australian audience and in the same breath are calling for auklands inclusion - a club that by all logic and by its very definition WILL NOT APPEAL TO A BROAD-BASED AUSTRALIAN AUDIENCE. FKN LOL.
You want to talk about ethnicity....have you seen the latest yoshi/youve gotta have a team campaign? There are maori women in traditional dress doing the haka. Thats some pretty bold ethnic imagery being utilized in the main advertising campaign, that most certainly doesnt relate to a broadbased australian audience let alone attract one....
Now how does that impact the NCIIP? The use of bold ethnic imagery.... now i have nothing but respect for the proud maori people, but the ffa are having a laugh.... and makes all of you hypocritical idiots like williamn, ryan m, paulc yourself etc etc who are so accepting of a foreign nz club, and the use of bold ethnic imagery to advertise our league, (yet are so fkn outspoken about Australian clubs and their ethnic roots) look like a the fkn ridiculous fkn joke that you all are. No no no no no. Just no. Comparing a maori welcome dance with olympics greek culture is incompatible. Thats like saying its racist of a club to have a welcome to country from aboriginal australians. And saying no one can relate to auckland is no different to a WSW not being able to relate to perth or mariners or any other team. A perth team won't necessarily appeal to a melbourne audience in the same way an auckland team wouldn't appeal to a sydney audience, thats why these people called fans usually support the team from their area. And if you think that me saying sydney olympic has a greek culture surrounding it is racist and a use of "bold ethnic imagery" then you are well and truly inside that bubble of yours. Hope for your sake you can pop it one day... Congratulations. Youve just lost all credibility with that barely legible, incoherent and waffling post. An absolutley nonsensical pile of turd of a post. Did you read my post? Do you know what the NCIP actually is? Do you know what constitutes a breach of that policy? Do you undersatnd what thhe fuck youre talking about and or what the differnece is between your arse and your elbow? Youre a sham. and a charlatan. but most of all youre a hypocrite cretin who idiotically raised an argument that comepletely debunks your original line of argument... shows you what a self contradicting fool you are. Youre pontificating about ethnicity from your foreign standpoint. Youre saying its ok to advertise bold ethnic imagery in association w the promotion of one club, but thats its not ok to do with another. Shit poster. you definitely have misunderstood the NCIP and never attended an nsl game in your life if you think a maori welcome dance is a breach of the policy due to its "bold ethnic imagery". You only have to look at the badges of NSL teams like olympic, hakoah, united, etc to see the difference between them and the nix. And even then they haven't been found to be in breach of the NCIP. And before you jump on me for being a racist kiwi (lol kiwi) know that i have no problem with those clubs embracing their culture, just not as an a-league side. You want an example of a club that has embraced their wider community just look at wollongong wolves, they have taken great steps to become more appealing to the whole of the gong. man that bubble is just getting bigger and bigger by the minute hortooooo :)
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Ethnic kiwis out of my league now!
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Back to expansion.. http://eonsports.com.au/real-estate-mogul-heads-bid-to-put-a-league-team-in-tassie/REAL ESTATE MOGUL HEADS BID TO PUT A-LEAGUE TEAM IN TASSIEat Categories Tags 9 46 0  A general view during the round 16 A-League match between the Melbourne Victory and the Central Coast Mariners at Aurora Stadium on January 12, 2013 in Launceston, Australia. (PIC by Robert Cianflone/Getty Images)
By Ben Cuzzupe, EON Sports Radio’s Football EditorFormer Melbourne Victory director and property mogul Harry Stamoulis wants to put an A-League team in Tasmania.EON Sports Radio believes Stamoulis not only has plans to establish an A-League team in Hobart or Launceston, but may also be in the early stages of proposing a new rectangular stadium for the state. The Football Federation of Australia is aware of the bid, but is still tendering interest from a range of parties who want to back potential new clubs from all over the country and New Zealand.Sources confirmed the status of a bid to put a side in Tasmania, but remarked the idea is still in ‘embryonic stages’. It is still unconfirmed at this stage if the Tasmanian state government or the Football Federation Tasmania will back the bid, but numerous sources confirmed the proposal is currently being developed and has been taken to the FFA.It comes as the A-League have signaled their intentions to expand the competition, and a consortium seeks to head up a bid led by former Gold Coast United manager Miron Bleiberg to put a second team in south-east Queensland. Jean Carlos Solorzano of the Victory is pressured by Michael Thwaite of Gold Coast United during the round 17 A-League match between the Melbourne Victory and Gold Coast United at Aurora Stadium on February 1, 2012 in Launceston, Australia. (PIC by Robert Cianflone/Getty Images)A team in Tasmania has long been mooted, as a taskforce registered the name ‘Tasmania United FC’ in 2008 and submitted a bid to join the A-League for the 2011-12 season. Melbourne Victory had previously played home games for points in the state and also discontinued their pre-season games there in 2015 after three seasons of appearances.Stamoulis’ family, according to the Australian Financial Review is set to be worth $540 million. The developer runs the Stamoulis Property Group, and father Spiros Stamoulis founded the soft drink company Gold Label which was sold to Cadbury Schwepps in 2004.Stamoulis sold his stake in A-League giants Melbourne Victory in 2014, and was the second largest share-holder in the club at the time.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDoes anyone like the idea of a team playing out of balmier sports ground??? If they were to play 1 or 2 game out of jubilee or cronulla you could get that whole area behind the team, and it wouldn't be taking too many supporters from SFC or WSW. Maybe it would work better vice versa (1 or 2 games at balmier, home ground jubilee), but personally would love to see a team playing there one day. Not olympic though... dont know this club that youve made a stipulation about......Why not olympic? Can you please be explicit? Sydney Olympic. Nothing against them just feel that they would fail to bring in a wider audience. If you follow the nsw npl you can see olympic have always had an emphasis on greek culture and have kind of clung onto it, which is great for them as an NPL side but is too risky for A-League. They also have a lot of enemies in the area as well so it just wouldn't work Australians of Greek descent at least formally register their clubs in Australia for Tax purposes. ??? South Melbourne is registered under Australian Tax Laws. Wellington or a Auckland team are not. South Melbourne is founded by Australians born overseas. That is their only crime. It is back door 'pro Anglo' racism, this Aus-NZ Sporting Alliance. It is a sham which the Aussie Soccer Community is calling out. Ok you can't compare nz and olympic purely on the basis that i have brought them up on separate occasions. I love olympic in the npl, great team, great people, but i just don't see them engaging the kogarah area that they would need to in order to be successful. All things being equal, clubs like apia, like melita, like blacktown have all done a lot more to engage their wider local community than what olympic has done, and i can confidently say that as a local, a fan, a coach, a former referee and a player. Its not "effnick" bs, its actually simple fact, and you would agree if you have ever been to one of their games. As for the tax thing, you are right. They pay tax to Oz. Does that make me change my mind about NZ - no. And its not "pro-anglo racism" for someone to suggest a culturally dominated club whose image hasn't really changed too much since the NSL days would be unhealthy for the A-League. You brought them up idiot. Randomly. You introduced them into the discussion as a means of instigating bullshit about the internal effnik debate. Dont play coy here. Youre an inflammatory upstart hypocrite prick is all you are. wow both of you are looking ways to much into this. You know there are other people who like the idea of Auckland, you really need to get out of that bubble. "Other people" ......very scientific of you. Youre starting to sound alot like ryan m with your unsubstantiated bullshit.
And who are all these legions of people that support aukland? the ones that didnt show up last time we pumped millions of dollars into an overseas foreign club that bombed? The same people who didn't support the last quagmire?
Its hilarious that you opened up the ethnic debate and talking about clubs that can or cannot reach a broad based Australian audience and in the same breath are calling for auklands inclusion - a club that by all logic and by its very definition WILL NOT APPEAL TO A BROAD-BASED AUSTRALIAN AUDIENCE. FKN LOL.
You want to talk about ethnicity....have you seen the latest yoshi/youve gotta have a team campaign? There are maori women in traditional dress doing the haka. Thats some pretty bold ethnic imagery being utilized in the main advertising campaign, that most certainly doesnt relate to a broadbased australian audience let alone attract one....
Now how does that impact the NCIIP? The use of bold ethnic imagery.... now i have nothing but respect for the proud maori people, but the ffa are having a laugh.... and makes all of you hypocritical idiots like williamn, ryan m, paulc yourself etc etc who are so accepting of a foreign nz club, and the use of bold ethnic imagery to advertise our league, (yet are so fkn outspoken about Australian clubs and their ethnic roots) look like a the fkn ridiculous fkn joke that you all are. No no no no no. Just no. Comparing a maori welcome dance with olympics greek culture is incompatible. Thats like saying its racist of a club to have a welcome to country from aboriginal australians. And saying no one can relate to auckland is no different to a WSW not being able to relate to perth or mariners or any other team. A perth team won't necessarily appeal to a melbourne audience in the same way an auckland team wouldn't appeal to a sydney audience, thats why these people called fans usually support the team from their area. And if you think that me saying sydney olympic has a greek culture surrounding it is racist and a use of "bold ethnic imagery" then you are well and truly inside that bubble of yours. Hope for your sake you can pop it one day... Congratulations. Youve just lost all credibility with that barely legible, incoherent and waffling post. An absolutley nonsensical pile of turd of a post. Did you read my post? Do you know what the NCIP actually is? Do you know what constitutes a breach of that policy? Do you undersatnd what thhe fuck youre talking about and or what the differnece is between your arse and your elbow? Youre a sham. and a charlatan. but most of all youre a hypocrite cretin who idiotically raised an argument that comepletely debunks your original line of argument... shows you what a self contradicting fool you are. Youre pontificating about ethnicity from your foreign standpoint. Youre saying its ok to advertise bold ethnic imagery in association w the promotion of one club, but thats its not ok to do with another. Shit poster. +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDoes anyone like the idea of a team playing out of balmier sports ground??? If they were to play 1 or 2 game out of jubilee or cronulla you could get that whole area behind the team, and it wouldn't be taking too many supporters from SFC or WSW. Maybe it would work better vice versa (1 or 2 games at balmier, home ground jubilee), but personally would love to see a team playing there one day. Not olympic though... dont know this club that youve made a stipulation about......Why not olympic? Can you please be explicit? Sydney Olympic. Nothing against them just feel that they would fail to bring in a wider audience. If you follow the nsw npl you can see olympic have always had an emphasis on greek culture and have kind of clung onto it, which is great for them as an NPL side but is too risky for A-League. They also have a lot of enemies in the area as well so it just wouldn't work Australians of Greek descent at least formally register their clubs in Australia for Tax purposes. ??? South Melbourne is registered under Australian Tax Laws. Wellington or a Auckland team are not. South Melbourne is founded by Australians born overseas. That is their only crime. It is back door 'pro Anglo' racism, this Aus-NZ Sporting Alliance. It is a sham which the Aussie Soccer Community is calling out. Ok you can't compare nz and olympic purely on the basis that i have brought them up on separate occasions. I love olympic in the npl, great team, great people, but i just don't see them engaging the kogarah area that they would need to in order to be successful. All things being equal, clubs like apia, like melita, like blacktown have all done a lot more to engage their wider local community than what olympic has done, and i can confidently say that as a local, a fan, a coach, a former referee and a player. Its not "effnick" bs, its actually simple fact, and you would agree if you have ever been to one of their games. As for the tax thing, you are right. They pay tax to Oz. Does that make me change my mind about NZ - no. And its not "pro-anglo racism" for someone to suggest a culturally dominated club whose image hasn't really changed too much since the NSL days would be unhealthy for the A-League. You brought them up idiot. Randomly. You introduced them into the discussion as a means of instigating bullshit about the internal effnik debate. Dont play coy here. Youre an inflammatory upstart hypocrite prick is all you are. wow both of you are looking ways to much into this. You know there are other people who like the idea of Auckland, you really need to get out of that bubble. "Other people" ......very scientific of you. Youre starting to sound alot like ryan m with your unsubstantiated bullshit.
And who are all these legions of people that support aukland? the ones that didnt show up last time we pumped millions of dollars into an overseas foreign club that bombed? The same people who didn't support the last quagmire?
Its hilarious that you opened up the ethnic debate and talking about clubs that can or cannot reach a broad based Australian audience and in the same breath are calling for auklands inclusion - a club that by all logic and by its very definition WILL NOT APPEAL TO A BROAD-BASED AUSTRALIAN AUDIENCE. FKN LOL.
You want to talk about ethnicity....have you seen the latest yoshi/youve gotta have a team campaign? There are maori women in traditional dress doing the haka. Thats some pretty bold ethnic imagery being utilized in the main advertising campaign, that most certainly doesnt relate to a broadbased australian audience let alone attract one....
Now how does that impact the NCIIP? The use of bold ethnic imagery.... now i have nothing but respect for the proud maori people, but the ffa are having a laugh.... and makes all of you hypocritical idiots like williamn, ryan m, paulc yourself etc etc who are so accepting of a foreign nz club, and the use of bold ethnic imagery to advertise our league, (yet are so fkn outspoken about Australian clubs and their ethnic roots) look like a the fkn ridiculous fkn joke that you all are. No no no no no. Just no. Comparing a maori welcome dance with olympics greek culture is incompatible. Thats like saying its racist of a club to have a welcome to country from aboriginal australians. And saying no one can relate to auckland is no different to a WSW not being able to relate to perth or mariners or any other team. A perth team won't necessarily appeal to a melbourne audience in the same way an auckland team wouldn't appeal to a sydney audience, thats why these people called fans usually support the team from their area. And if you think that me saying sydney olympic has a greek culture surrounding it is racist and a use of "bold ethnic imagery" then you are well and truly inside that bubble of yours. Hope for your sake you can pop it one day... Congratulations. Youve just lost all credibility with that barely legible, incoherent and waffling post. An absolutley nonsensical pile of turd of a post. Did you read my post? Do you know what the NCIP actually is? Do you know what constitutes a breach of that policy? Do you undersatnd what thhe fuck youre talking about and or what the differnece is between your arse and your elbow? Youre a sham. and a charlatan. but most of all youre a hypocrite cretin who idiotically raised an argument that comepletely debunks your original line of argument... shows you what a self contradicting fool you are. Youre pontificating about ethnicity from your foreign standpoint. Youre saying its ok to advertise bold ethnic imagery in association w the promotion of one club, but thats its not ok to do with another. Shit poster. you definitely have misunderstood the NCIP and never attended an nsl game in your life if you think a maori welcome dance is a breach of the policy due to its "bold ethnic imagery". You only have to look at the badges of NSL teams like olympic, hakoah, united, etc to see the difference between them and the nix. And even then they haven't been found to be in breach of the NCIP. And before you jump on me for being a racist kiwi (lol kiwi) know that i have no problem with those clubs embracing their culture, just not as an a-league side. You want an example of a club that has embraced their wider community just look at wollongong wolves, they have taken great steps to become more appealing to the whole of the gong. man that bubble is just getting bigger and bigger by the minute hortooooo :) Which Auckland based PR firm sent you here?
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+xBack to expansion.. http://eonsports.com.au/real-estate-mogul-heads-bid-to-put-a-league-team-in-tassie/REAL ESTATE MOGUL HEADS BID TO PUT A-LEAGUE TEAM IN TASSIEat Categories Tags 9 46 0 A general view during the round 16 A-League match between the Melbourne Victory and the Central Coast Mariners at Aurora Stadium on January 12, 2013 in Launceston, Australia. (PIC by Robert Cianflone/Getty Images)
By Ben Cuzzupe, EON Sports Radio’s Football EditorFormer Melbourne Victory director and property mogul Harry Stamoulis wants to put an A-League team in Tasmania.EON Sports Radio believes Stamoulis not only has plans to establish an A-League team in Hobart or Launceston, but may also be in the early stages of proposing a new rectangular stadium for the state. The Football Federation of Australia is aware of the bid, but is still tendering interest from a range of parties who want to back potential new clubs from all over the country and New Zealand.Sources confirmed the status of a bid to put a side in Tasmania, but remarked the idea is still in ‘embryonic stages’. It is still unconfirmed at this stage if the Tasmanian state government or the Football Federation Tasmania will back the bid, but numerous sources confirmed the proposal is currently being developed and has been taken to the FFA.It comes as the A-League have signaled their intentions to expand the competition, and a consortium seeks to head up a bid led by former Gold Coast United manager Miron Bleiberg to put a second team in south-east Queensland.Jean Carlos Solorzano of the Victory is pressured by Michael Thwaite of Gold Coast United during the round 17 A-League match between the Melbourne Victory and Gold Coast United at Aurora Stadium on February 1, 2012 in Launceston, Australia. (PIC by Robert Cianflone/Getty Images)A team in Tasmania has long been mooted, as a taskforce registered the name ‘Tasmania United FC’ in 2008 and submitted a bid to join the A-League for the 2011-12 season. Melbourne Victory had previously played home games for points in the state and also discontinued their pre-season games there in 2015 after three seasons of appearances.Stamoulis’ family, according to the Australian Financial Review is set to be worth $540 million. The developer runs the Stamoulis Property Group, and father Spiros Stamoulis founded the soft drink company Gold Label which was sold to Cadbury Schwepps in 2004.Stamoulis sold his stake in A-League giants Melbourne Victory in 2014, and was the second largest share-holder in the club at the time.
Stamoulis must have a lot of money tied up in Tassie.... hmmm.........
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Pftt..
And tassie at that.
Not unless theres pro/rel... Otherwise derbies.... the main cities...where the sponsors are attracted... its the only way to go. More derbies. More marquee fixtures. God help us for tassie v ccm fixture.
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auckland would surely play out of mt smart than a 50k proposed new stadium
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I like the idea of a Tassie based franchise. I just hope the team is actually called Hobart or Launceston [insert nickname], and not just go for a broad Tasmania franchise, like the NZ Knights.
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+xI like the idea of a Tassie based franchise. I just hope the team is actually called Hobart or Launceston [insert nickname], and not just go for a broad Tasmania franchise, like the NZ Knights. Is that the smart thing to do though? cut off half of the population. Tasmania wont be getting 2 teams, it would get one if it is extremely lucky. Hobart has 200k people. There are many many better option than that on the main land.
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+x+xI like the idea of a Tassie based franchise. I just hope the team is actually called Hobart or Launceston [insert nickname], and not just go for a broad Tasmania franchise, like the NZ Knights. Is that the smart thing to do though? cut off half of the population. Tasmania wont be getting 2 teams, it would get one if it is extremely lucky. Hobart has 200k people. There are many many better option than that on the main land. Far better two have two small clubs in Tasmania. One representing Hobart the other Launceston. Ready made derby, Tassie on the national stage. The locals, the media, everyone would lap it up. Would really put Tassie in the spotlight. You put one 'Tasmania United' side in and there's zero room for future growth.
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+x+x+xI like the idea of a Tassie based franchise. I just hope the team is actually called Hobart or Launceston [insert nickname], and not just go for a broad Tasmania franchise, like the NZ Knights. Is that the smart thing to do though? cut off half of the population. Tasmania wont be getting 2 teams, it would get one if it is extremely lucky. Hobart has 200k people. There are many many better option than that on the main land. Far better two have two small clubs in Tasmania. One representing Hobart the other Launceston. Ready made derby, Tassie on the national stage. The locals, the media, everyone would lap it up. Would really put Tassie in the spotlight. You put one 'Tasmania United' side in and there's zero room for future growth. THIS! Tasmania United is the dumbest idea as they will only be playing at the one stadium. Best to promote existing sides in Tassie.
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+x+x+x+xI like the idea of a Tassie based franchise. I just hope the team is actually called Hobart or Launceston [insert nickname], and not just go for a broad Tasmania franchise, like the NZ Knights. Is that the smart thing to do though? cut off half of the population. Tasmania wont be getting 2 teams, it would get one if it is extremely lucky. Hobart has 200k people. There are many many better option than that on the main land. Far better two have two small clubs in Tasmania. One representing Hobart the other Launceston. Ready made derby, Tassie on the national stage. The locals, the media, everyone would lap it up. Would really put Tassie in the spotlight. You put one 'Tasmania United' side in and there's zero room for future growth. THIS! Tasmania United is the dumbest idea as they will only be playing at the one stadium. Best to promote existing sides in Tassie. I just cant see realistically why Hobart or Launceston should be ahead of Cairns, Townsville, Sunshine Coast/Wide Bay, Ipswich, Logan, Gold Coast and that is just in Queensland. They are on par with Coffs and Ballarat. Not Adelaide City, South Melbourne, Shire, Wollongong, Canberra, Perth 2, Geelong, SE Melbourne, Brisbane2 etc etc etc
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An interesting thought would be the effect to Roar. Say Miron's Brisbane2 came in and played smaller matches out of an upgraded Perry Park getting 5-6k then their bigger games against SFC, WSW, MV (and moving any big games if they are near top of league) at Lang getting 10k+. Say this meant Roar lost an average of 2k per match, which is hard to compare but seems to be about what happened to Victory & SFC in the first season of rivalry. Then the derby games all get 25k+ each. I think Roar would actually end up ahead overall and the rivalry would increase interest and force Roar to be better as Miron was saying. Further down the track, it would probably helpt lead to a 20k rectangular ground in which both clubs could play smaller fixtures. I think it's quite a good idea, and 25k for a derby match seems quite conservative. Brisbane may be a one-team city in NRL and Super Rugby but it doesn't seem as effective as having two smaller more sustainable sides in A-league football.
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+x+x+x+xI like the idea of a Tassie based franchise. I just hope the team is actually called Hobart or Launceston [insert nickname], and not just go for a broad Tasmania franchise, like the NZ Knights. Is that the smart thing to do though? cut off half of the population. Tasmania wont be getting 2 teams, it would get one if it is extremely lucky. Hobart has 200k people. There are many many better option than that on the main land. Far better two have two small clubs in Tasmania. One representing Hobart the other Launceston. Ready made derby, Tassie on the national stage. The locals, the media, everyone would lap it up. Would really put Tassie in the spotlight. You put one 'Tasmania United' side in and there's zero room for future growth. THIS! Tasmania United is the dumbest idea as they will only be playing at the one stadium. Best to promote existing sides in Tassie. surely a tasmanian side would use the existing success of south hobart fc as their foundations
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+xAn interesting thought would be the effect to Roar. Say Miron's Brisbane2 came in and played smaller matches out of an upgraded Perry Park getting 5-6k then their bigger games against SFC, WSW, MV (and moving any big games if they are near top of league) at Lang getting 10k+. Say this meant Roar lost an average of 2k per match, which is hard to compare but seems to be about what happened to Victory & SFC in the first season of rivalry. Then the derby games all get 25k+ each. I think Roar would actually end up ahead overall and the rivalry would increase interest and force Roar to be better as Miron was saying. Further down the track, it would probably helpt lead to a 20k rectangular ground in which both clubs could play smaller fixtures. I think it's quite a good idea, and 25k for a derby match seems quite conservative. Brisbane may be a one-team city in NRL and Super Rugby but it doesn't seem as effective as having two smaller more sustainable sides in A-league football. opposite happened to east, their crowds went up, however they would put it down to del piero rather than having a city rival. the issue here isnt about roar losing numbers, because we already know roar fans are fairly well rusted on, they turn up to each and every grand final, and any loss of fans is compensated by two bumped up figures for the derbies. the issue is whether brisbane2 has a basis to attract supporters. with roar basing themselves south of the river, this gives brisbane2 possible based out of brisbane strikers home facilities to target the north of the river.
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+x+x+x+x+xI like the idea of a Tassie based franchise. I just hope the team is actually called Hobart or Launceston [insert nickname], and not just go for a broad Tasmania franchise, like the NZ Knights. Is that the smart thing to do though? cut off half of the population. Tasmania wont be getting 2 teams, it would get one if it is extremely lucky. Hobart has 200k people. There are many many better option than that on the main land. Far better two have two small clubs in Tasmania. One representing Hobart the other Launceston. Ready made derby, Tassie on the national stage. The locals, the media, everyone would lap it up. Would really put Tassie in the spotlight. You put one 'Tasmania United' side in and there's zero room for future growth. THIS! Tasmania United is the dumbest idea as they will only be playing at the one stadium. Best to promote existing sides in Tassie. surely a tasmanian side would use the existing success of south hobart fc as their foundations Why not just make it South Hobart?
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NEWS: Football kicking goals in Geelong as participation growth breaks records again! The rapid growth of football in the greater Geelong region has continued with a record breaking increase in players for the second straight year.A statewide player increase of 20% in two years has been reflected in the huge rise in popularity of the world game in Geelong.Player numbers in greater Geelong increased 9% in 2016, off the back of an 18% rise in 2015.Greater Geelong now has 3712 players pulling on the boots in the region, up from 3402 last year. Football Federation Victoria President Kimon Taliadoros said the numbers reflected the hard work from all of football's stakeholders."The message is clear; football is popular and growing rapidly, playing football is a great experience and playing football is fun," Mr Taliadoros said."Every stakeholder in the game, from clubs, to Councils and Government, to FFV's corporate partners is to be commended on the role they have played in making football Victoria's premier sport." Geelong Regional Football Committee (GRFC) Chair Jo Plummer credited many opportunities provided for people to play as a driving force behind the increase. “With the creation of a new Men’s Over 35s (Masters’) league, the introduction of a Women’s second division as well as continued growth in the Juniors’ and Sub-Juniors’ categories, the numbers of players playing the World Game has increased right across the region,” Ms Plummer said. “With the introduction of the Division 1 and Division 2 formats in Geelong, it has allowed us to group together the better sides in the region hence increasing the overall standard in that particular age group, whilst also ensuring the developmental or second squads are guaranteed a better match day experience playing against teams at their own level in the developmental division. “With a new club (FC Leopold) entering the picture next year, as well as the likelihood of several more Juniors’ divisions - including a new Girls’ Under 12s competition and possibly a Boys’ Under 19s league - our numbers are set to grow even further in 2017." The game is growing so rapidly it is imperative that all of football's stakeholders work together to harness the growth and cater for demand. FFV, GRFC, clubs and councils all must work together to ensure that every player who wants to play has the opportunity to do so." INTERESTING FACT: A total of 3,712 players were registered in the Geelong region, which constitutes 5.6 percent of the statewide total of 66,194. According to Wikipedia, the total combined population of the Geelong, Surf Coast and Golden Plains municipalities is 231,187 or 3.8 percent of the entire Victorian population of an estimated 6 million! This means that football in the Geelong region is disproportionately higher than the actual population figure by almost 2 percent! source
As a participant in the Geelong football community, I can attest to the explosion of players and general interest in the region. Got 4 divisions lined up for next year in the Amateur leagues, whilst many clubs are also running senior teams in the State leagues. We may not have the millions of 'population' that Gallop seems to think is required for a team, but there is no doubting there is a general enthusiasm for the game in Geelong, and with a strong history of sporting success in the form of the Geelong Cats, I'm confident that an A-League side would also be able to draw on the parochial nature of the city.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI like the idea of a Tassie based franchise. I just hope the team is actually called Hobart or Launceston [insert nickname], and not just go for a broad Tasmania franchise, like the NZ Knights. Is that the smart thing to do though? cut off half of the population. Tasmania wont be getting 2 teams, it would get one if it is extremely lucky. Hobart has 200k people. There are many many better option than that on the main land. Far better two have two small clubs in Tasmania. One representing Hobart the other Launceston. Ready made derby, Tassie on the national stage. The locals, the media, everyone would lap it up. Would really put Tassie in the spotlight. You put one 'Tasmania United' side in and there's zero room for future growth. THIS! Tasmania United is the dumbest idea as they will only be playing at the one stadium. Best to promote existing sides in Tassie. surely a tasmanian side would use the existing success of south hobart fc as their foundations Why not just make it South Hobart? And have North Hobart for more Derbies
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To maximise crowds and TV ratings in Australia we need also derbies in Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. These cities should each have 2 teams in the A League before expansion elsewhere. Adelaide City should be admitted.
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+xTo maximise crowds and TV ratings in Australia we need also derbies in Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. These cities should each have 2 teams in the A League before expansion elsewhere. Adelaide City should be admitted. Not sure Adelaide can support two teams tbh. It would be a heart mark II
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI like the idea of a Tassie based franchise. I just hope the team is actually called Hobart or Launceston [insert nickname], and not just go for a broad Tasmania franchise, like the NZ Knights. Is that the smart thing to do though? cut off half of the population. Tasmania wont be getting 2 teams, it would get one if it is extremely lucky. Hobart has 200k people. There are many many better option than that on the main land. Far better two have two small clubs in Tasmania. One representing Hobart the other Launceston. Ready made derby, Tassie on the national stage. The locals, the media, everyone would lap it up. Would really put Tassie in the spotlight. You put one 'Tasmania United' side in and there's zero room for future growth. THIS! Tasmania United is the dumbest idea as they will only be playing at the one stadium. Best to promote existing sides in Tassie. surely a tasmanian side would use the existing success of south hobart fc as their foundations Why not just make it South Hobart? And have North Hobart for more Derbies Yeah man, sure. If you say so. 
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI like the idea of a Tassie based franchise. I just hope the team is actually called Hobart or Launceston [insert nickname], and not just go for a broad Tasmania franchise, like the NZ Knights. Is that the smart thing to do though? cut off half of the population. Tasmania wont be getting 2 teams, it would get one if it is extremely lucky. Hobart has 200k people. There are many many better option than that on the main land. Far better two have two small clubs in Tasmania. One representing Hobart the other Launceston. Ready made derby, Tassie on the national stage. The locals, the media, everyone would lap it up. Would really put Tassie in the spotlight. You put one 'Tasmania United' side in and there's zero room for future growth. THIS! Tasmania United is the dumbest idea as they will only be playing at the one stadium. Best to promote existing sides in Tassie. surely a tasmanian side would use the existing success of south hobart fc as their foundations Why not just make it South Hobart? And have North Hobart for more Derbies Yeah man, sure. If you say so. Just adding my own fairy dust to the Communal Dream thread
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+x+xTo maximise crowds and TV ratings in Australia we need also derbies in Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. These cities should each have 2 teams in the A League before expansion elsewhere. Adelaide City should be admitted. Not sure Adelaide can support two teams tbh. It would be a heart mark II Really? I would have thought Adelaide City already has its own following and would be a perfect 2nd Adelaide club.
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Does anyone know how many registered players are on the Central coast? For comparison sake with Geelong's 3700...
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