This is an interesting one because it’s an unholy battle between two groups of companies and none of them are as pure as they make out to be.

It feels like traditional media are using this as an opportunity to get more control again but at the same time Google/Facebook etc should be paying more for Australian content.

Probably but that's not the point.  It's weird how people rage against Murdoch et al and yet monoliths like facebook and Google get a free pass.  They know far more abut you, your movements and your life than any newspaper or TV station.

Multiple and diverse media is what a vibrant democracy needs.  This concentration, traditional and new, of the media is not ideal. 

They'll just stop linking to those media outlets and will nuke them in search results.

Aus media will end up floundering more than they are now.

-PB

The Oz used to be one of the best papers going around.  Then they went full right . And its just a cheerleading paper for the lnp and the far right . Hell even the age has veered.  Say what you want about the left but we need both sides

Listen to this 7 minute clip Pala.

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/newcastle/programs/mornings/google-fights-the-accc/12573518

Google etc are going hard here not because Australia is a massive market for them but because other countries are watching with interest and there could be huge knock on effects.

Just like plain packaging on cigarettes and how big tobacco tied Australia up in Hong Kong courts for $300 million for years google will be willing to spend plenty to see this doesn't happen.

As the pod says market capitalisation of Australian media is 1% of Google's overall worth.  Their handwringing over this is disengenuous to say the least.

Would take the ACCCs word over Google any day of the week.

https://amp-abc-net-au.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/12566670?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15981526361121&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2Fnews%2F2020-08-17%2Fgoogle-open-letter-to-australia-news-media-code%2F12566670

That's wrong too but google Facebook and YouTube take articles from newspapers and tv shows and republishes those without payment.

You know, content theft.

Funny how no sooner the government proposes this legislation and YouTube and Google start running 'we're under threat' garbage then this video pops up.

I'm no fan of Murdoch but nor do I want to live in a world where Google and Facebook are the primary news sources.

Oddly I'm sitting at lunch perusing The Australian at this very moment that someone left behind.  I used to be an avid reader of the weekend papers (the SMH and the Oz).  Didn't realise how much I missed proper journalism in the printed form.

What do you mean by "pinching content"? Surely the already existing copyright laws would stop that? How do you feel about Murdoch et al. being allowed to rig the algorithms to appear before independent sources, or the handing over of user data?

Well that was a flashy video not addressing why the government is trying to stop YouTube, Facebook and Google pinching content without payment.

Is this what we really want?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj2r948rUkQ

Says everything you need to know about anyone involved with Qanaon or anything similar.

They couldn't give a flying fuck about child sex trafficking unless they could tie  it into a "elite cabal" conspiracy narrative. 

Got him!!

Rusty in a nutshell. Expects other posters to constantly denounce things like looting, etc (many of us have but he ignores that), but NEVER criticises conservative media for their bullshit, instead deflecting with a "what about the time this left wing journalist said... etc".

lol this shit is appearing everywhere even here in Australia

(another reason why hash tags are lame and silly)

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/savethechildren-qanon-pizzagate-facebook-block-hashtag-1041812/

-PB

Colour me shocked

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/queensland-police-investigating-top-chinese-diplomat-after-complaint-from-aussie-uni-student/news-story/d9bd9f8838076ab36156346403cc04f3

-PB

My point is its not wrong to hold other media outlets to account when they publish fake news.  This notion that CNN and other news outlets are somehow beyond criticism, or that you’re not allowed to criticise them because they are just vulnerable innocent journalistic professionals who only tell the truth, is oppressive and undemocratic.  It’s not like the left have resisted blaming entire election losses across multiple geographies on Rupert Murdoch.

Right, so we need to denounce CNN for being left wing but it’s ok for Fox News to be right wing to bring in balance?

Ahh, Fox News, the saviors of us all.

-PB

It’s not just looters, do you denounce Antifa and their violent tactics?  Do you denounce CNN and other left wing media for encouraging the riots and rationalising their actions?  Do you denounce BLM for wanting to defund police, who save millions of more lives than they take but get no credit?  Do you denounce Democrats who also want to defund police and who are deliberately stoking racial divisions?

I'm not sticking up for left wing radicals.  Looters are scum and I've said it more than once.

Both are bad.  Unlike you I wont try to downplay their actions, or contrast them with the radical right, so they dont look as bad, and a little halo forms around them.  

Of course it's the 'radical left's that's the problem.

2nd only to Sunni extremists.  Congratulations Rusty for hitching your wagon these bunch of clusterfucks.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-12/asio-briefing-warns-far-right-is-exploiting-coronavirus/12344472

Aboriginal deaths in custody is probably one of Australia's most shameful & unresolved episodes. 

Protest for BLM in Sydney at Town Hall on Saturday 3pm for anyone interested. 

Find out in the USA in two weeks 

Does protesting cure Corona Virus ?   

There’s a protest in Melbourne on Saturday not show it’s allowed to ahead 

China is asshoe!

China being cunce again.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/student-activist-warns-of-chilling-effect-after-china-s-patriotic-media-singles-him-out-20200425-p54n66.html

''I’m 20 years old and a nuclear-armed superpower has officially condemned me,'' said Pavlou, a UQ student, after Global Times, a daily newspaper closely linked to the Communist Party of China, published the article calling him an ''anti-China rioter''.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/uq-takes-disciplinary-action-against-student-activist-critical-of-beijing-20200416-p54kba.html

Drew Pavlou, an outspoken activist on human rights issues and critic of UQ's strong ties to Beijing, faces a disciplinary hearing later this month and possible expulsion following complaints about his protest activities and comments on social media.

I should say an awkward plot point or not as engaging. But yes, each to their own both are great shows.

I thought that was the point, that they don't get on/have much in common but both appear to try as they are brothers.

Each to their own. Personally while I like Breaking Bad a lot Its not even close to The Sopranos or The Wire for me.