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+x+xJedinak and Irvine facing each other. Mooy and Wright starting. Bristol really need a win. No Williams or Elder for Barnsley. A rough season with little but time consuming injuries. Meredith and Burgess starting against each other. O'Neill, Inman on the bench. No Beadling or Herd. Maty, Davidson and Hrustic on later. Trying to find info on Yeboah. Bulut has been injured for a while with muscle problems. Apparently he started and scored again today. I'll see if I can find a source. yep scored 82nd min they won 3-1 away to tsg sprockhovel also to add.. hes scored 6 goals in 16 for borussia monchengladbach II. I think this is the last year of his contract though
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+xNo real surprises here that Mooy is starting for Huddersfield who are away at Nottingham Forest. Game is live on Bein Sports 1 for those who have Foxtel. It's great to be able to watch Mooy play a full game at club level on TV when I'm still awake, this has only happened 3-4 times this season. this is the first sunday ive had off work in 5 years. There is so much football on i dont know where to turn. I got the laptop set up for the prem and ill keep bein on for the Huddersfield game
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@dan the red
Excatly what i was thinking. saw this from 2012 etc Here's how to know if a player is worth keeping an eye out for and where the player is most likley to be a top level players
If they play reguarly at a top club in the top leagues in the world at a young age. Think about it, name me one player under 23 who went on to become one of the world's best or elite footballers (top 10) etc or top 50 who didnt play for a elite club at a young age
Ronaldo 18- man utd
Bale -20 playing regarly for Spurs
Theres so many but i cbs writing them all down
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+xHere's an update on some of the younger/lesser known Aussies abroad: Gabriel Cleur (the 19 year old at Virtus Entella in Serie B) has played his last five games at five different positions (RB, DM, CB, LB, CM). According to his Transfermarkt Page, his most common position is RB. Surely worth keeping tabs on for the future! Reno Piscopo (18 year old left winger/forward) scored his first goal for Torino in the Primavera this week. Jonathon Alcorace (19 year old at Salernitana in Serie B/Primavera) has being playing regularly at right back and centre back for the U19 team. The team has been horrible and only won 1 of the 13 games he's played in this year, but hopefully that's not a reflection on him. Cameron Burgess (21 year old midfielder/centreback at Bury in League One) has being playing regularly for the senior team as a centre back. According to his Transfermarkt Page, he's played 13 games this year for them - all for the full 90 minutes at CB - and they've only lost twice in that period. Definitely one to look out for in the future! Also, here's some young Aussies abroad that are harder to find data on because they're still playing at youth level or in competitions where data isn't easily available: - Daniel Baggio (17 year old midfielder at Sampdoria in Italy) - Thomas Prinsen (17 year old attacking midfielder at PEC Zwolle in the Netherlands) - Yanni Barberoglou (17 year old striker at Feyenoord in the Netherlands) - Dylan Ryan (16 year old centre-back at Willem II in the Netherlands) - Jake Soutter (18 year old goalkeeper at Fulham in England) - Liam Driscoll (17 year old goalkeeper at Reading in England) - Ashley Maynard-Brewer (17 year old goalkeeper at Charlton Athletic in England) - Jacob Young (17 year old centre-back at Sunderland in England) - Joel Rollinson (17 year old attacking midfielder at Reading in England) - James Georgaklis (18 year old midfielder at Swindon Town in England) - Con Ouzonidis (17 year old defender at Everton in England) - Daniel Wong (19 year old striker at Espanyol in Spain) - Isaac Danzo (17 year old defensive midfielder at Levante in Spain) - Jake Brimmer (19 year old midfielder at Liverpool in England) - Chris Marques (19 year old goalkeeper at Nottingham Forest in England) - Dominic Kurasik (20 year old goalkeeper at Brentford in England) - Jasko Keranovic (19 year old goalkeeper at West Brom in England) - Tom Glover (19 year old goalkeeper at Tottenham in England) - Lyndon Dykes (21 year old striker at Queen of the South in Scotland) - Jordan Lyden (21 year old defensive midfielder at Aston Villa in England) - Joshua Laws (19 year old defensive midfielder at Fortuna Dusseldorf in Germany) If any of the above players could break out and nail down roles in the first teams at their respective clubs, that would be fantastic. In the unlikely event that all of the above players become members of their senior teams, the future potential would be insane for the national team. And my goodness are we stacked for goalkeeper options for the next 15 years! nice !
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There was even a thread 10 years ago about top prospects pf Australian footballers literally nearly all thoose names u've probably never heard about and play in low level leagues. None of them made it to the top of football
some players who people thought were prospects and exiting players to look out for yet who didnt make it from years ago:
Antonis, Yeboah, Rogic (i know he can play in the top 5 league but the hype he was getting doesnt match his level right now. His turning 25 this year....), Amini, Oar, Sarota, Zullo, Ibini Isei, Taggart, Petratos, Juric, Mochols, Brillante, Duganzic, Cernak,Spiramovic,
What some names u know of that i missed
Dont think the majoirty you listed would nail first team footbsll for their clubs.... sad truth probably
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+xThere was even a thread 10 years ago about top prospects pf Australian footballers literally nearly all thoose names u've probably never heard about and play in low level leagues. None of them made it to the top of footballsome players who people thought were prospects and exiting players to look out for yet who didnt make it from years ago:Antonis, Yeboah, Rogic (i know he can play in the top 5 league but the hype he was getting doesnt match his level right now. His turning 25 this year....), Amini, Oar, Sarota, Zullo, Ibini Isei, Taggart, Petratos, Juric, Mochols, Brillante, Duganzic, Cernak,Spiramovic,What some names u know of that i missed The thread from 10 years ago did mention Troisi and Spiranovic, who have been capped for the Socceroos multiple times and played in international tournaments since then, so not every mention was in vain, even if they didn't become world class. And from the names you mentioned, Rogic has been excellent (only injury and fitness has prevented him from being the best of the current crop of Australian players), while Amini and Juric still have plenty of time to forge some good careers abroad in Europe, plus they've appeared at international level so they're hardly failures (and Juric was much more of a late bloomer with less hype than the others, I recall). If five or six of the players from the list I mentioned become Troisis, Spiras, Rogics, and Jurics, then I'm happy with that. With our current environment and lack of development at the formative years (and the fact that none of the players on my list would have been developed with the national curriculum or any circumstances better than 10 years ago), that's about as much as we can expect. I sincerely doubt we'll be producing any more Cahills, Kewells, or Vidukas for the next decade, and it would be unfair to expect our current young players to reach those heights, in my opinion.
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Mooy is way too good for these dribblers, they arent on his wave length
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+x+xThere was even a thread 10 years ago about top prospects pf Australian footballers literally nearly all thoose names u've probably never heard about and play in low level leagues. None of them made it to the top of footballsome players who people thought were prospects and exiting players to look out for yet who didnt make it from years ago:Antonis, Yeboah, Rogic (i know he can play in the top 5 league but the hype he was getting doesnt match his level right now. His turning 25 this year....), Amini, Oar, Sarota, Zullo, Ibini Isei, Taggart, Petratos, Juric, Mochols, Brillante, Duganzic, Cernak,Spiramovic,What some names u know of that i missed The thread from 10 years ago did mention Troisi and Spiranovic, who have been capped for the Socceroos multiple times and played in international tournaments since then, so not every mention was in vain, even if they didn't become world class. And from the names you mentioned, Rogic has been excellent (only injury and fitness has prevented him from being the best of the current crop of Australian players), while Amini and Juric still have plenty of time to forge some good careers abroad in Europe, plus they've appeared at international level so they're hardly failures (and Juric was much more of a late bloomer with less hype than the others, I recall). If five or six of the players from the list I mentioned become Troisis, Spiras, Rogics, and Jurics, then I'm happy with that. With our current environment and lack of development at the formative years (and the fact that none of the players on my list would have been developed with the national curriculum or any circumstances better than 10 years ago), that's about as much as we can expect. I sincerely doubt we'll be producing any more Cahills, Kewells, or Vidukas for the next decade, and it would be unfair to expect our current young players to reach those heights, in my opinion. Considering we dont have academies yet we'll continue to fall behind
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Well Juric is 26 this year and Amini is 24 this year, what i mean when i list theese names are that they have made it to the top leagues of Europe where they played reguarly. I wouldnt be sure if they didnt though, Spiranovic and Troisi failed to make the cit for the top 5 leagues unfortunetly
Man thats sad you'd be happy with Australia producig sub level players who cant make the top leagies in the world. But it makes sense in terms of progress compared to previous years, however when icwatch epl games etc. its amazing to see an Australian footbaler playing reguarly. It seems instict that when i watch epl games ill see an Australian footballer playing unfortunetly in the mean time
Rogic may have been injured but it doesnt hide the fact he hasnt made it yet. I reckon he has the potentiol to. He'll make it a best a mid level epl team like Southampton
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But dont we have that program the ffa introduced in like 2010 or something for 9-12'year old
We hafent really seen a player thats been a product yet, only Mcgree however he only had 1 year of that system i think
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How has Mass been for QPR
I remember when he was named player of the tournament in Asia, weird a league one player at that time won it. His 25 this year by what was happening in the past i think alot of people would have though he'd play premier league
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How can Norwich score 6 goals in the first half against Reading?
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Any updates on De Silva? Who remembers when he was 17 and playing for Perth Glory
I think he was playing reguarly for an Eredivse team than it got cut short 6 months earlier
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+x+x+xThere was even a thread 10 years ago about top prospects pf Australian footballers literally nearly all thoose names u've probably never heard about and play in low level leagues. None of them made it to the top of footballsome players who people thought were prospects and exiting players to look out for yet who didnt make it from years ago:Antonis, Yeboah, Rogic (i know he can play in the top 5 league but the hype he was getting doesnt match his level right now. His turning 25 this year....), Amini, Oar, Sarota, Zullo, Ibini Isei, Taggart, Petratos, Juric, Mochols, Brillante, Duganzic, Cernak,Spiramovic,What some names u know of that i missed The thread from 10 years ago did mention Troisi and Spiranovic, who have been capped for the Socceroos multiple times and played in international tournaments since then, so not every mention was in vain, even if they didn't become world class. And from the names you mentioned, Rogic has been excellent (only injury and fitness has prevented him from being the best of the current crop of Australian players), while Amini and Juric still have plenty of time to forge some good careers abroad in Europe, plus they've appeared at international level so they're hardly failures (and Juric was much more of a late bloomer with less hype than the others, I recall). If five or six of the players from the list I mentioned become Troisis, Spiras, Rogics, and Jurics, then I'm happy with that. With our current environment and lack of development at the formative years (and the fact that none of the players on my list would have been developed with the national curriculum or any circumstances better than 10 years ago), that's about as much as we can expect. I sincerely doubt we'll be producing any more Cahills, Kewells, or Vidukas for the next decade, and it would be unfair to expect our current young players to reach those heights, in my opinion. Considering we dont have academies yet we'll continue to fall behind Yep, and don't get me started on the lack of opportunities for young players in the A-League! So many places are being taken up by mercenaries, journeymen, and safe squad players rather than promising young players. The fact that players like Daniel Arzani, Lucas Derrick, Charles Lokolingoy, and Daniel Margush aren't playing every week is proof of that. Plus the fact that Joe Caletti only got a look-in because of injury and the ACL for Brisbane Roar, while Rashid Mahazi was playing more than Sebastian Pasquali at Melbourne Victory, and I'm sure there's plenty of other examples that I'm missing. And of course there's the problem that every prolific striker/centre forward is a foreigner, with the only exceptions being Maclaren and Taggart. On top of all that, there's only about 50 to 60 starting spots available each week for Australian players when you factor in the foreigners. When you take out the marquees, journeymen, safe squad players, and aging A-League life-career players, we're left with about 10 spots at the most for young players to have a shot, and that's being very generous! Also, the $7000 "reward"/cap for players leaving NPL teams and the lack of transfer fees between Australian clubs means that there's practically no incentive to develop quality young players without taking huge financial risks or essentially losing money over the long term at grassroots level. There's so many problems with our youth development I'm sure we could all write a book on it!
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+xWell Juric is 26 this year and Amini is 24 this year, what i mean when i list theese names are that they have made it to the top leagues of Europe where they played reguarly. I wouldnt be sure if they didnt though, Spiranovic and Troisi failed to make the cit for the top 5 leagues unfortunetly Man thats sad you'd be happy with Australia producig sub level players who cant make the top leagies in the world. But it makes sense in terms of progress compared to previous years, however when icwatch epl games etc. its amazing to see an Australian footbaler playing reguarly. It seems instict that when i watch epl games ill see an Australian footballer playing unfortunetly in the mean time Rogic may have been injured but it doesnt hide the fact he hasnt made it yet. I reckon he has the potentiol to. He'll make it a best a mid level epl team like Southampton I'm not happy about it, but given the circumstances of our youth development what we've got at the moment is about what we can expect in terms of results. We're not going to produce any Kewells any time soon, and given how dire our youth situation has been domestically over the past five years I'd be ecstatic if we produced another Rogic! And in defence of how Spiranovic and Troisi turned out, I believe it was their decisions that were what let them down. Both of them took the big bucks in the Middle East when they could have been decent players in the Championship, Eredivisie, and Belgian Pro League. Playing regularly in the latter competitions for a couple of seasons would have much better for their careers, but that shipped has sailed. And yet, Spiranovic played in the World Cup and Troisi scored the winner in the Asian Cup, so their careers have been far from failures. Heck, if one of the players I listed scores the winner in an Asian Cup in the future then I'd be over the moon!
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Hence why expanding the A-league, and even creating a second division would help
Yet why hasnt it been done
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Yeah, however wasnt there a change in the youth system that happened in like 2010 meaningwe havent seen the success of this yet., as players right now who went through that youth system designed for 9-12'year olds would still be to young.
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+xHence why expanding the A-league, and even creating a second division would help Yet why hasnt it been done Question of the century right there.
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This is a bit off topic, but I noticed that Norwich are currently winning 6-1 against Reading at half time. Yes, HALF TIME. And yes, 6 (SIX) to one. Norwich lost 3-0 to Huddersfield earlier in the week (in which Mooy scored) and now they're thrashing a playoff contender. They scored 5 goals in half an hour. What even?
I wonder if Reading will give any of their young Australian academy players a go in the future, since the first team has clearly fallen off a cliff? Even the infamous Brazil collapse in 2014 only shipped 5 goals before half-time. Crazy.
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Despite his poor form, Alex starts in RBK's big match against rivals Molde. Last time I checked they led 2-1, Molde's goal coming courtesy of ... Lord Bendtner! Hopefully Alex picks up his form.
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+x+xHence why expanding the A-league, and even creating a second division would help Yet why hasnt it been done Question of the century right there. Expansion is somewhat of a false god, especially if you're talking about Mariners and the Jets 2.0 run on shoestring budget. Their needs to be more straight forward reforms such as Loans and transfers between clubs, full time academies, more trained coaches, monetary payments for clubs playing more youngsters. The Bundesliga gives 2% of the tv deal to clubs who give the most minutes to u23s as well as other payments for being a higher ranked club over the course of the last ten years etc.
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+x+x+xHence why expanding the A-league, and even creating a second division would help Yet why hasnt it been done Question of the century right there. Expansion is somewhat of a false god, especially if you're talking about Mariners and the Jets 2.0 run on shoestring budget. Their needs to be more straight forward reforms such as Loans and transfers between clubs, full time academies, more trained coaches, monetary payments for clubs playing more youngsters. The Bundesliga gives 2% of the tv deal to clubs who give the most minutes to u23s as well as other payments for being a higher ranked club over the course of the last ten years etc. Especially when you consider all the youngsters that have come through the Mariners and yet none of them have got to the Socceroo levels
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+x+x+x+xHence why expanding the A-league, and even creating a second division would help Yet why hasnt it been done Question of the century right there. Expansion is somewhat of a false god, especially if you're talking about Mariners and the Jets 2.0 run on shoestring budget. Their needs to be more straight forward reforms such as Loans and transfers between clubs, full time academies, more trained coaches, monetary payments for clubs playing more youngsters. The Bundesliga gives 2% of the tv deal to clubs who give the most minutes to u23s as well as other payments for being a higher ranked club over the course of the last ten years etc. Especially when you consider all the youngsters that have come through the Mariners and yet none of them have got to the Socceroo levels There was certainly a period under Arnie where the mariners did very well and for that i'll give the credit. But now the better resourced clubs have flexed their muscles the Mariners have been found wanting
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+x+x+x+x+xHence why expanding the A-league, and even creating a second division would help Yet why hasnt it been done Question of the century right there. Expansion is somewhat of a false god, especially if you're talking about Mariners and the Jets 2.0 run on shoestring budget. Their needs to be more straight forward reforms such as Loans and transfers between clubs, full time academies, more trained coaches, monetary payments for clubs playing more youngsters. The Bundesliga gives 2% of the tv deal to clubs who give the most minutes to u23s as well as other payments for being a higher ranked club over the course of the last ten years etc. Especially when you consider all the youngsters that have come through the Mariners and yet none of them have got to the Socceroo levels There was certainly a period under Arnie where the mariners did very well and for that i'll give the credit. But now the better resourced clubs have flexed their muscles the Mariners have been found wanting They will be back sooner than you think, Unfortunately the better resourced clubs are not giving their youngsters much of a go.
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+xWell Juric is 26 this year and Amini is 24 this year, what i mean when i list theese names are that they have made it to the top leagues of Europe where they played reguarly. I wouldnt be sure if they didnt though, Spiranovic and Troisi failed to make the cit for the top 5 leagues unfortunetly Man thats sad you'd be happy with Australia producig sub level players who cant make the top leagies in the world. But it makes sense in terms of progress compared to previous years, however when icwatch epl games etc. its amazing to see an Australian footbaler playing reguarly. It seems instict that when i watch epl games ill see an Australian footballer playing unfortunetly in the mean time Rogic may have been injured but it doesnt hide the fact he hasnt made it yet. I reckon he has the potentiol to. He'll make it a best a mid level epl team like Southampton That's not old. Those guys such as Tomi Juric and Mustafa Amini still could make end up doing things at a higher level. But, based on what I've watched of their games, they need to up their game. It's not so much the age thing, it's down to the fact they haven't consistently showed a mixture of things such as technique, temperament, talent and super high football IQ. They have some of those things, but world-class footballers usually have all of those things. Tom Rogic has more of that. He could do well in the Premier League. He, as with Mooy, does best in a team where he's surrounded by top notch teammates. He then plays at his best because he can set them up. For our NT, he is nowhere near as good because his teammates are distinctly average. But basically, it's really, really tough to get to the level of the top four leagues. It takes really gifted footballers. And for positions such as fullbacks, wingers, strikers and goalkeepers, they usually need to be very athletically gifted in terms of pace and agility. I.e. rarely are there top notch footballers in those positions who don't have that kind of athleticism. Australian football doesn't, usually, get the best of Australia's athletes. This is because football doesn't have enough of an impact on Australia's sporting cultural landscape. As things stand, for an Aussie footballer to make it to those leagues, it basically involves a lot of fluke. We need Australian football to get to the point where there is a brilliant development system, pathways and enough interest in the game for Australian football to be gaining the participation of the best athletes for it to get to the point where Australian regularly appear in the big leagues.
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/Jeff,
Alex had a much better game today! Things are looking up. It's as if he read my last post in here :p
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IIRC he had a memorable game last season against Molde, with an assist.
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Talking about player development... Look at the contrast between Son and Kruse both were pretty close in terms of where they were at in their careers at leverkusen...Robbie never pushed on seemed happy to just be at leverkusen..Son wasn't kept pushing and now has 18 goals this season for Tottenham.. He is now world class...could Robbie have followed the same path? Who knows?
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+xSince joining this forum almost 10 years, I've seen countless lists of young players like that everyone faps over due to the club theyre contracted to. Since then the success rate has proven incredible low. I doubt any of them will make it in Europe, maybe a couple will end up in the ALeague in 3-4 years. The rest you'll never hear of again. Yeah me too has to be something low like 3-5% actually make it through the ranks to the first team
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+x+xWell Juric is 26 this year and Amini is 24 this year, what i mean when i list theese names are that they have made it to the top leagues of Europe where they played reguarly. I wouldnt be sure if they didnt though, Spiranovic and Troisi failed to make the cit for the top 5 leagues unfortunetly Man thats sad you'd be happy with Australia producig sub level players who cant make the top leagies in the world. But it makes sense in terms of progress compared to previous years, however when icwatch epl games etc. its amazing to see an Australian footbaler playing reguarly. It seems instict that when i watch epl games ill see an Australian footballer playing unfortunetly in the mean time Rogic may have been injured but it doesnt hide the fact he hasnt made it yet. I reckon he has the potentiol to. He'll make it a best a mid level epl team like Southampton I'm not happy about it, but given the circumstances of our youth development what we've got at the moment is about what we can expect in terms of results. We're not going to produce any Kewells any time soon, and given how dire our youth situation has been domestically over the past five years I'd be ecstatic if we produced another Rogic! And in defence of how Spiranovic and Troisi turned out, I believe it was their decisions that were what let them down. Both of them took the big bucks in the Middle East when they could have been decent players in the Championship, Eredivisie, and Belgian Pro League. Playing regularly in the latter competitions for a couple of seasons would have much better for their careers, but that shipped has sailed. And yet, Spiranovic played in the World Cup and Troisi scored the winner in the Asian Cup, so their careers have been far from failures. Heck, if one of the players I listed scores the winner in an Asian Cup in the future then I'd be over the moon! Right now youth development i would not say a mess but its currently in the middle of a construction and its moving towards creating the middle of a house, some things are made such as the NC have been put in place which is good but also a lot more resources and work is needed in pathways, talent ID, coaching and even the grassroots. In perspective with people bashing the NC its been going on for a few years and kids from that are starting to come through it i think the are 14 or 15 years old so we will see them in the next few years and see if they have the quality to take us to the next level. Also the pathways its obviously more needs to be bigger with teams and quantities, along with with improved coaching standards which can be better too along with the issue of talent ID where given how big australia geographically you need resources to scout players outside of the metro areas TOUGH! And throw the lack of compensation grassroots and NPL clubs gets and this is where we are at. As it was discussed in another thread we need our players exposed to higher level teams to see where they at in order to set a benchmark for future improvement. This is why alot of people are frustrated by the FFA there lack of action and no KPI's with regards to player development is hurting us in the short term but i think once they get solved we will get back on upward trajectory. I beleive we will get there, every country goes through cycles of good and bad player production and we were blessed to have some awesome players but now its not there so we have to wait for the next production line to come up.
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