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There is no Giant (actually midget) in me.
AFL can f.. off and those of us true supporters of the football (round ball) will monster the miniature Sydney Derby.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: ![[IMG]](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170529/a371dbe7cc11efaf03b4606929af03c4.jpg) How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Apart from trolling what is your point?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Apart from trolling what is your point? Quite simply, how can one not be impressed by the attendances the NRL Sydney clubs are getting.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Apart from trolling what is your point? Quite simply, how can one not be impressed by the attendances the NRL Sydney clubs are getting. You asked for Sydney NRL teams attendance figures, you got them, either you wanted them for a reason or you've lost the argument
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Apart from trolling what is your point? Quite simply, how can one not be impressed by the attendances the NRL Sydney clubs are getting. You asked for Sydney NRL teams attendance figures, you got them, either you wanted them for a reason or you've lost the argument He was hoping GWS would have attendances above at least one NRL team, but when his ass was handed to him he changed tack to something more along the lines of "I'm an attention seeker and am interested in everything for several seconds"
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Apart from trolling what is your point? Not his best work.
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+x+x+x@pippinu Just to clarify your point from before - I wasn't trying to deny that the Swans have a strong fan base now who go to games and watch on TV. They do, of course. I even go to a few games myself. My argument was that they only got as big as they are now due to a huge assist by some one-off extraordinary factors that won't be repeated again. It took 15 years, a grand finals appearance AND the complete fracturing of Rugby League before people jumped on The Swans in big numbers. If I look at GWS, they have an even harder job. Not only will thise one-off factors not repeat themselves, the demographics of Western Sydney are tougher. Anyone in Western Sydney who loves AFL wasn't sitting around waiting for a team - they are already on the Swans. The only way it will grow is to convert people who follow other sports. That is not going well. You only need to visit any school. I'm a teacher and I'll tell you this - whenever the Auskick guys come out to schools, the kids do participate and have fun. But literally the moment those guys leave, the kids go straight back to the PE staff room and grab the round balls and rugby league balls. They are simply not interested at all. If there was another big crack up in league, the major beneficiary would not be AFL. It would be either Football or (for those who still want contact sport) Rugby Union. I suspect that the AFL could keep doing this for the next 20 years and nothing would change. Oh well they can keep sinking their dough in the big black hole. What was it, $16m or so mill that the AFL poured in the Giants last year? Might even have been $17m, but the standard annual dividend is around the $11m mark, so the additional financial assistance is only $6 mill per annum.What's that come to? 0.0002% of the $2.5 billion TV deal. I mean seriously, it such a tiny drop of money, I was having trouble counting the number of zeroes to work out the percentage. Wow and we compare that the Wanderers got $0 of additional assistance following it's standard dividend. Seems pretty self sufficient for a franchise only 5 years old.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say It's bugging me that the Age breakdown section shows "40-60+" instead of just "40+".
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Apart from trolling what is your point? Quite simply, how can one not be impressed by the attendances the NRL Sydney clubs are getting. Easy! I couldn't give any positive emotional response to any of those "ball" games. NRL blokes probably prefer to watch it on the Teev so they don't have to try to drive home pissed as. I'm happy that the blokes that play AFL either punch someone or get king hit by another bloke "playing" the game who wants to prove that he's macho I'm also happy it remains a parochial little game without any national team as it just shoots itself in the foot, on both counts, as far as a child's parents are concerned.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Apart from trolling what is your point? Quite simply, how can one not be impressed by the attendances the NRL Sydney clubs are getting. I'm happy that the blokes that play AFL either punch someone or get king hit by another bloke "playing" the game who wants to prove that he's macho How dare you bring the AFL's senior ranking cultural diversity officer in to this
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+x+x+x@pippinu Just to clarify your point from before - I wasn't trying to deny that the Swans have a strong fan base now who go to games and watch on TV. They do, of course. I even go to a few games myself. My argument was that they only got as big as they are now due to a huge assist by some one-off extraordinary factors that won't be repeated again. It took 15 years, a grand finals appearance AND the complete fracturing of Rugby League before people jumped on The Swans in big numbers. If I look at GWS, they have an even harder job. Not only will thise one-off factors not repeat themselves, the demographics of Western Sydney are tougher. Anyone in Western Sydney who loves AFL wasn't sitting around waiting for a team - they are already on the Swans. The only way it will grow is to convert people who follow other sports. That is not going well. You only need to visit any school. I'm a teacher and I'll tell you this - whenever the Auskick guys come out to schools, the kids do participate and have fun. But literally the moment those guys leave, the kids go straight back to the PE staff room and grab the round balls and rugby league balls. They are simply not interested at all. If there was another big crack up in league, the major beneficiary would not be AFL. It would be either Football or (for those who still want contact sport) Rugby Union. I suspect that the AFL could keep doing this for the next 20 years and nothing would change. Oh well they can keep sinking their dough in the big black hole. What was it, $16m or so mill that the AFL poured in the Giants last year? Might even have been $17m, but the standard annual dividend is around the $11m mark, so the additional financial assistance is only $6 mill per annum. What's that come to? 0.0002% of the $2.5 billion TV deal. I mean seriously, it such a tiny drop of money, I was having trouble counting the number of zeroes to work out the percentage. I know he's gone but I'll post this here as a point of reference as too how much extra money the AFL is tipping into the Giants compared to the other clubs. 2016 PAYMENTS TO CLUBS 1. GWS Giants $21,548,374 2. St Kilda $18,566,589 3. Western Bulldogs $17,610,181 4. Brisbane Lions $17,532,922 5. Gold Coast Suns $17,194,594 6. North Melbourne $15,022,303 7. Melbourne $14,799,452 8. Port Adelaide $13,206,665 9. Sydney Swans $12,488,957 10. Richmond $12,358,925 11. Essendon $11,914,715 12. West Coast Eagles $11,703,240 13. Hawthorn $11,614,683 14. Carlton $11,607,942 15. Collingwood $11,304,689 16. Geelong Cats $10,787,483 17. Fremantle Dockers $10,563,307 18. Adelaide Crows $10,553,565 *All clubs received an $8.188 million base payment and a $1.2 million bonus payment. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-payments-to-clubs-revealed-giants-handed-21-million/news-story/c450f059c9436a8343b81636d0273c52
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Apart from trolling what is your point? Quite simply, how can one not be impressed by the attendances the NRL Sydney clubs are getting. I'm happy that the blokes that play AFL either punch someone or get king hit by another bloke "playing" the game who wants to prove that he's macho How dare you bring the AFL's senior ranking cultural diversity officer in to this Another winner - from your friendly Australian rules - No red cards cause we'd look like thepussy sokkah mob
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Apart from trolling what is your point? Quite simply, how can one not be impressed by the attendances the NRL Sydney clubs are getting. I'm happy that the blokes that play AFL either punch someone or get king hit by another bloke "playing" the game who wants to prove that he's macho How dare you bring the AFL's senior ranking cultural diversity officer in to this Another winner - from your friendly Australian rules - No red cards cause we'd look like thepussy sokkah mob so true good luck trying flog ALF to the SEAsia and Chinese with this thuggery.... what surprises me , Rugby ( union ) has not made inroads into China ( although in HK it is popular with the Rugby 7's ) SEAsia have not taken to rugby at all. Asia has not taken to american football either Basketball , is popular in china So what risk and market analysis has Kochie and the ALF heirachy completely ignored , if they think ALF is going to make it in Asia Given the failed attempts with South Africa and New Zealand Or are they going down that whole " come to australia , buy real estate cheap and real Aussies play footy not immigrants game " motto
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Apart from trolling what is your point? Quite simply, how can one not be impressed by the attendances the NRL Sydney clubs are getting. I'm happy that the blokes that play AFL either punch someone or get king hit by another bloke "playing" the game who wants to prove that he's macho How dare you bring the AFL's senior ranking cultural diversity officer in to this Another winner - from your friendly Australian rules - No red cards cause we'd look like thepussy sokkah mob so true good luck trying flog ALF to the SEAsia and Chinese with this thuggery.... what surprises me , Rugby ( union ) has not made inroads into China ( although in HK it is popular with the Rugby 7's )
SEAsia have not taken to rugby at all.Asia has not taken to american football either Basketball , is popular in china So what risk and market analysis has Kochie and the ALF heirachy completely ignored , if they think ALF is going to make it in Asia Given the failed attempts with South Africa and New Zealand Or are they going down that whole " come to australia , buy real estate cheap and real Aussies play footy not immigrants game " motto Japan however is heavily involved in Rugby Union, as evidenced by them hosting the Rugby World Cup in 2019, as well as competing in previous tournaments. They even have a team in the Super Rugby competition. Sure, they might be rubbish, but the interest and, perhaps more importantly, the investment, is there. Rugby Union is a good complement to football as they both use similar facilities, which Governments love haha. Rugby Union is an interesting one in terms of its' popularity - it is very much a 'wealthy' game, and thus really only takes hold in countries with 'First World' standards. Exceptions to this rule would be South Africa (however they have a large English influence, and most of the wealth in that country is concentrated in this population) and Argentina (not saying Argentina is a third world hell hole, it's definitely one of the richer Latin American countries - just not on the same level as other Union playing nations perhaps?). It's also no surprise why its' also popular in Hong Kong, even if it's the shortened version of Rugby 7's, due to the history of that place with a large, wealthy populous (even by Western standards Hong Kong citizens have always been quite wealthy) as well as the heavy British influence. With that said, it wouldn't surprise me at all if it takes off in China, even if it plays second fiddle to the likes of football - they've got a rapidly burgeoning middle ad upper class that wants to indulge to pleasure activities, and Rugby Union is well placed to do that with a strong international presence (imagine the Wallabies playing in Beijing in front of 80k+ spectators - Kochie could only dream of those sort of numbers for Port Adelaide and the AFL haha), whilst being remarkably different to football. Gives those people who love a bit of biffo an outlet haha. tl;dr Whilst Rugby Union may not be popular in China currently, it will get more of a foothold than AFL ever will.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Apart from trolling what is your point? Quite simply, how can one not be impressed by the attendances the NRL Sydney clubs are getting. I'm happy that the blokes that play AFL either punch someone or get king hit by another bloke "playing" the game who wants to prove that he's macho How dare you bring the AFL's senior ranking cultural diversity officer in to this Another winner - from your friendly Australian rules - No red cards cause we'd look like thepussy sokkah mob so true good luck trying flog ALF to the SEAsia and Chinese with this thuggery.... what surprises me , Rugby ( union ) has not made inroads into China ( although in HK it is popular with the Rugby 7's ) SEAsia have not taken to rugby at all. Asia has not taken to american football either Basketball , is popular in china So what risk and market analysis has Kochie and the ALF heirachy completely ignored , if they think ALF is going to make it in Asia Given the failed attempts with South Africa and New Zealand Or are they going down that whole " come to australia , buy real estate cheap and real Aussies play footy not immigrants game " motto Football has not even made inroads in China. There are lots of reports and studies about just how little it's played by the community. Also anyone who has travelled much through parts of China knows football pitches, junior clubs or places to play are rare as hen's teeth. If their constant and pathological obsession with being accepted overseas is nothing more than a junket, they live in an even bigger bubble than we think.
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+x+x+x+x@pippinu Just to clarify your point from before - I wasn't trying to deny that the Swans have a strong fan base now who go to games and watch on TV. They do, of course. I even go to a few games myself. My argument was that they only got as big as they are now due to a huge assist by some one-off extraordinary factors that won't be repeated again. It took 15 years, a grand finals appearance AND the complete fracturing of Rugby League before people jumped on The Swans in big numbers. If I look at GWS, they have an even harder job. Not only will thise one-off factors not repeat themselves, the demographics of Western Sydney are tougher. Anyone in Western Sydney who loves AFL wasn't sitting around waiting for a team - they are already on the Swans. The only way it will grow is to convert people who follow other sports. That is not going well. You only need to visit any school. I'm a teacher and I'll tell you this - whenever the Auskick guys come out to schools, the kids do participate and have fun. But literally the moment those guys leave, the kids go straight back to the PE staff room and grab the round balls and rugby league balls. They are simply not interested at all. If there was another big crack up in league, the major beneficiary would not be AFL. It would be either Football or (for those who still want contact sport) Rugby Union. I suspect that the AFL could keep doing this for the next 20 years and nothing would change. Oh well they can keep sinking their dough in the big black hole. What was it, $16m or so mill that the AFL poured in the Giants last year? Might even have been $17m, but the standard annual dividend is around the $11m mark, so the additional financial assistance is only $6 mill per annum. What's that come to? 0.0002% of the $2.5 billion TV deal. I mean seriously, it such a tiny drop of money, I was having trouble counting the number of zeroes to work out the percentage. I know he's gone but I'll post this here as a point of reference as too how much extra money the AFL is tipping into the Giants compared to the other clubs. 2016 PAYMENTS TO CLUBS 1. GWS Giants $21,548,374 the AFL have handed GWS at least $20 million per season and that is on top of the $200 million they spent to start up. They also spent $100 million to start up the Suns. Add the Suns annual distribution and we're talking about well over half a billion dollars they have wasted in 6-7 years. Can you imagine what they could have done to things such as grass roots and infrastructure with that sort of money? They may have even been able to make some inroads in Football's participation numbers. The AFL continuing to divert/waste funds for useless causes is great for Football. The AFL has also allowed GWS to assemble one of the best squads of all time that will be unbeatable in 12-24 months and will win numerous flags. How will traditional AFL supporters feel about this? Especially if your team hasn't won a flag in your lifetime and you see these new boys handed everything under the sun to ensure they succeed? well you're gonna get angry and disinterested aren't you? This is also great for Football.
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"We got a 2 billion TV deal, we got a 2 billion TV deal"  Yeah, you've just spunked a billion on gws, the suns (bills growing daily), the women's league, AFL x and expansion into China and other lands, bailouts - half the clubs are at a loss and only make money because of pokie machines and your grassroots clubs are closing for lack of numbers plus the remaining cash is dependant on commercial TV advertising vaiabilty and sales - that's why your leaders are pathologically obsessed with increasing its audience 
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+x+x+x+x+x@pippinu Just to clarify your point from before - I wasn't trying to deny that the Swans have a strong fan base now who go to games and watch on TV. They do, of course. I even go to a few games myself. My argument was that they only got as big as they are now due to a huge assist by some one-off extraordinary factors that won't be repeated again. It took 15 years, a grand finals appearance AND the complete fracturing of Rugby League before people jumped on The Swans in big numbers. If I look at GWS, they have an even harder job. Not only will thise one-off factors not repeat themselves, the demographics of Western Sydney are tougher. Anyone in Western Sydney who loves AFL wasn't sitting around waiting for a team - they are already on the Swans. The only way it will grow is to convert people who follow other sports. That is not going well. You only need to visit any school. I'm a teacher and I'll tell you this - whenever the Auskick guys come out to schools, the kids do participate and have fun. But literally the moment those guys leave, the kids go straight back to the PE staff room and grab the round balls and rugby league balls. They are simply not interested at all. If there was another big crack up in league, the major beneficiary would not be AFL. It would be either Football or (for those who still want contact sport) Rugby Union. I suspect that the AFL could keep doing this for the next 20 years and nothing would change. Oh well they can keep sinking their dough in the big black hole. What was it, $16m or so mill that the AFL poured in the Giants last year? Might even have been $17m, but the standard annual dividend is around the $11m mark, so the additional financial assistance is only $6 mill per annum. What's that come to? 0.0002% of the $2.5 billion TV deal. I mean seriously, it such a tiny drop of money, I was having trouble counting the number of zeroes to work out the percentage. I know he's gone but I'll post this here as a point of reference as too how much extra money the AFL is tipping into the Giants compared to the other clubs. 2016 PAYMENTS TO CLUBS 1. GWS Giants $21,548,374 the AFL have handed GWS at least $20 million per season and that is on top of the $200 million they spent to start up. They also spent $100 million to start up the Suns. Add the Suns annual distribution and we're talking about well over half a billion dollars they have wasted in 6-7 years. Can you imagine what they could have done to things such as grass roots and infrastructure with that sort of money? Not a bloody lot in many cases. The problem the AFL faces in its traditional rural heartlands is not that the sport is directly in decline, but the towns themselves are. They can't get numbers up for games because the town populations are dwindling and they can't find enough people on a Saturday who aren't massive smackheads or doing a stretch in Sale for learning the missus. Channel 7 money doesn't fix that. Hence why the AFL has this media strategy to look as strong as possible and extract as much rent from the taxpayer as possible while they're still believed because they know the clock is ticking fast.
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+x+x+x+x@pippinu Just to clarify your point from before - I wasn't trying to deny that the Swans have a strong fan base now who go to games and watch on TV. They do, of course. I even go to a few games myself. My argument was that they only got as big as they are now due to a huge assist by some one-off extraordinary factors that won't be repeated again. It took 15 years, a grand finals appearance AND the complete fracturing of Rugby League before people jumped on The Swans in big numbers. If I look at GWS, they have an even harder job. Not only will thise one-off factors not repeat themselves, the demographics of Western Sydney are tougher. Anyone in Western Sydney who loves AFL wasn't sitting around waiting for a team - they are already on the Swans. The only way it will grow is to convert people who follow other sports. That is not going well. You only need to visit any school. I'm a teacher and I'll tell you this - whenever the Auskick guys come out to schools, the kids do participate and have fun. But literally the moment those guys leave, the kids go straight back to the PE staff room and grab the round balls and rugby league balls. They are simply not interested at all. If there was another big crack up in league, the major beneficiary would not be AFL. It would be either Football or (for those who still want contact sport) Rugby Union. I suspect that the AFL could keep doing this for the next 20 years and nothing would change. Oh well they can keep sinking their dough in the big black hole. What was it, $16m or so mill that the AFL poured in the Giants last year? Might even have been $17m, but the standard annual dividend is around the $11m mark, so the additional financial assistance is only $6 mill per annum. What's that come to? 0.0002% of the $2.5 billion TV deal. I mean seriously, it such a tiny drop of money, I was having trouble counting the number of zeroes to work out the percentage. I know he's gone but I'll post this here as a point of reference as too how much extra money the AFL is tipping into the Giants compared to the other clubs. 2016 PAYMENTS TO CLUBS 1. GWS Giants $21,548,374 2. St Kilda $18,566,589 3. Western Bulldogs $17,610,181 4. Brisbane Lions $17,532,922 5. Gold Coast Suns $17,194,594 6. North Melbourne $15,022,303 7. Melbourne $14,799,452 8. Port Adelaide $13,206,665 9. Sydney Swans $12,488,957 10. Richmond $12,358,925 11. Essendon $11,914,715 12. West Coast Eagles $11,703,240 13. Hawthorn $11,614,683 14. Carlton $11,607,942 15. Collingwood $11,304,689 16. Geelong Cats $10,787,483 17. Fremantle Dockers $10,563,307 18. Adelaide Crows $10,553,565 *All clubs received an $8.188 million base payment and a $1.2 million bonus payment. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-payments-to-clubs-revealed-giants-handed-21-million/news-story/c450f059c9436a8343b81636d0273c52 Why would a Crows fan bother buying a membership when they know the league is just taking it away and giving it to every other club. Fucking socialist bullshit
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+x+x+x+x+x+x@pippinu Just to clarify your point from before - I wasn't trying to deny that the Swans have a strong fan base now who go to games and watch on TV. They do, of course. I even go to a few games myself. My argument was that they only got as big as they are now due to a huge assist by some one-off extraordinary factors that won't be repeated again. It took 15 years, a grand finals appearance AND the complete fracturing of Rugby League before people jumped on The Swans in big numbers. If I look at GWS, they have an even harder job. Not only will thise one-off factors not repeat themselves, the demographics of Western Sydney are tougher. Anyone in Western Sydney who loves AFL wasn't sitting around waiting for a team - they are already on the Swans. The only way it will grow is to convert people who follow other sports. That is not going well. You only need to visit any school. I'm a teacher and I'll tell you this - whenever the Auskick guys come out to schools, the kids do participate and have fun. But literally the moment those guys leave, the kids go straight back to the PE staff room and grab the round balls and rugby league balls. They are simply not interested at all. If there was another big crack up in league, the major beneficiary would not be AFL. It would be either Football or (for those who still want contact sport) Rugby Union. I suspect that the AFL could keep doing this for the next 20 years and nothing would change. Oh well they can keep sinking their dough in the big black hole. What was it, $16m or so mill that the AFL poured in the Giants last year? Might even have been $17m, but the standard annual dividend is around the $11m mark, so the additional financial assistance is only $6 mill per annum. What's that come to? 0.0002% of the $2.5 billion TV deal. I mean seriously, it such a tiny drop of money, I was having trouble counting the number of zeroes to work out the percentage. I know he's gone but I'll post this here as a point of reference as too how much extra money the AFL is tipping into the Giants compared to the other clubs. 2016 PAYMENTS TO CLUBS 1. GWS Giants $21,548,374 the AFL have handed GWS at least $20 million per season and that is on top of the $200 million they spent to start up. They also spent $100 million to start up the Suns. Add the Suns annual distribution and we're talking about well over half a billion dollars they have wasted in 6-7 years. Can you imagine what they could have done to things such as grass roots and infrastructure with that sort of money? Not a bloody lot in many cases. The problem the AFL faces in its traditional rural heartlands is not that the sport is directly in decline, but the towns themselves are. They can't get numbers up for games because the town populations are dwindling and they can't find enough people on a Saturday who aren't massive smackheads or doing a stretch in Sale for learning the missus. Channel 7 money doesn't fix that. Hence why the AFL has this media strategy to look as strong as possible and extract as much rent from the taxpayer as possible while they're still believed because they know the clock is ticking fast. Spoke to someone working in AFL Queensland recently - they are struggling in areas with clubs unable to attract kids or field teams Said they all go to sokkah and other lifestyle things (on top of tradtional rugby/league). Said a noticable diference in many kids though is a drop off in sokkah when teenagers etc, but when verging at elite level continue in other sports.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Apart from trolling what is your point? Quite simply, how can one not be impressed by the attendances the NRL Sydney clubs are getting. I'm happy that the blokes that play AFL either punch someone or get king hit by another bloke "playing" the game who wants to prove that he's macho How dare you bring the AFL's senior ranking cultural diversity officer in to this Another winner - from your friendly Australian rules - No red cards cause we'd look like thepussy sokkah mob so true good luck trying flog ALF to the SEAsia and Chinese with this thuggery.... what surprises me , Rugby ( union ) has not made inroads into China ( although in HK it is popular with the Rugby 7's ) SEAsia have not taken to rugby at all. Asia has not taken to american football either Basketball , is popular in china So what risk and market analysis has Kochie and the ALF heirachy completely ignored , if they think ALF is going to make it in Asia Given the failed attempts with South Africa and New Zealand Or are they going down that whole " come to australia , buy real estate cheap and real Aussies play footy not immigrants game " motto Football has not even made inroads in China. There are lots of reports and studies about just how little it's played by the community. Also anyone who has travelled much through parts of China knows football pitches, junior clubs or places to play are rare as hen's teeth. If their constant and pathological obsession with being accepted overseas is nothing more than a junket, they live in an even bigger bubble than we think. Cheers completely forgot about Japan and their interest in Union. I think also Singapore has a growing interest in Union as well
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Anyway.... does anyone have any footage of the version of ALF
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Whilst i am a follower and member of both codes, i'll be ropable as a taxpayer if these upgrades get through. You seriously cannot justify these investments with the occasional VFL or Womens game. http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-carlton-pitch-for-multimillion-dollar-stadium-upgrades-20170712-gx9yfk.htmlThe article wont copy & paste here
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if they can con the state govt .....
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Article from above
Richmond, Carlton pitch for multimillion dollar stadium upgrades July 12 2017 - 8:10PM Traditional AFL rivals Richmond and Carlton are each pitching for multimillion-dollar government support to transform their old home grounds at Punt Road and Princes Park. The Tigers and the Blues have submitted blueprints to the Victorian Government in a move that could form part of Premier Daniel Andrews' 2018 election strategy, along with a largely taxpayer-funded $300 million upgrade of Etihad Stadium. Those blueprints feature in a series of stadium and precinct proposals expected to significantly alter the face of elite and community spectator sport across Victoria and, specifically, inner-city Melbourne. And in a separate development, the AFL has begun detailed research into the future of its new national women's league, with Carlton's Ikon Park emerging as the proposed home of AFLW, potentially boasting an upgraded 20,000 to 25,000-seat stadium, with 70 per cent of that being undercover.  The prospect of Carlton's old home again hosting AFL games remains on the table. The AFL is expected to have to wait for several months and, potentially, until next season to learn of Etihad Stadium's fate after the government deferred its call on the upgrade. The government had initially suggested its costing would be released this month. Collingwood's proposal for a new $1 billion stadium close to the MCG has been taken off the table. Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale confirmed the club would submit a new master plan for the Punt Road Oval by the end of 2017. This would provide a new and more attractive gateway to the MCG, along with comfortable seating for 8000 supporters. "We need to continue to invest in this south-east entrance into Yarra Park from an aesthetic point of view," Gale said. "Given our location within one of the world's great sporting precincts, you're looking at a tired railway station; you cross the road with your heart in your mouth and nothing improves when you enter the outskirts of the stadium. It makes sense to invest given the location alongside the MCG. We believe there's a place for AFL Women's, an elite training facility, VFL football and under-18s. "We need to ensure it remains a really rich community hub for a whole range of community and second-tier activities that it really doesn't make sense to stage elsewhere." Richmond, having met and been invited to submit to the Andrews' working party, has engaged the same firm of architects which oversaw the last redevelopment of the Tigers' home base to help form a fully-costed master plan. It makes sense to invest given the location alongside the MCG. We believe there's a place for AFL Women's, an elite training facility, VFL football and under-18s. The AFL, now attempting to negotiate new agreements with Etihad Stadium's frustrated tenant clubs, had hoped to learn the fate of its planned Docklands' upgrade this month. However, it is now understood the state government has placed a wide range of options on the table, including the overall future of the 17-year-old Etihad Stadium as an elite AFL venue. Proposals have also been put forward by a number of AFL clubs, including the Western Bulldogs on behalf of the Whitten Oval and the club's new home venue at Ballarat. The Victorian Government's funding decision could now form part of the Andrews Government's 2018 election campaign. The government working party, chaired by Premier Andrews and including Treasurer Tim Pallas, has been established to look at multi-sport stadia and precinct funding across the state. The committee has invited submissions from the MCG, the AFL and its Victorian clubs, the National Rugby League, Football Federation Australia and the Australian Rugby Union, along with representations from netball, hockey, basketball and tennis
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Why is this still a thread, couldn't give a hoots about AFL here
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I've been reluctant to let the cat out of the bag, but after the article this morning I think it's time we pressured Ffa and all the member federations to pressure state and federal governments for a fair share of funding. The 'cat' so to speak is Aflx. If that sport gets up and running, we can easily argue that rectangular stadia are multipurpose venues like afl try to do with the oval shaped grounds. We therefore should get more govt funding if you can play all 4 football codes on a rectangular ground
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AFL viable from Govt funding. Their help with stadiums is direct correlation to attendance growth. Ministers sit on boards either before or after. Huge political sway.
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