Have actually beaten a team ranked higher than us under Ange?

We have some coaches who have some potential but we dont have many to choose from, you need someone with a ton of experience coaching especially at international level and we just dont have that calibre of coach yet in our system, maybe Arnie but hes quite a progmatic coach. 
A coach that can get the very best out of every player and not pigeon hole to a system. 

But the elephant in the room should not be the coach, Ange is quite a skilled coach but like with any team you need the quality and at the moment we just dont have that enough. 

LOL Arnie, he had a breakdown less than 18 months ago. He needs way more therapy to get back. 

Also he shot himself in the foot over save the nix, too outspoken. Frank doesnt want that. 

I would rather watch the team under Ange any day to some 3rd rate European who has us playing like cowards.

I'd still like to keep Ange but if we needed a replacement, Arnie would be the strongest candidate.

Fuck Fuck Fuck. Ange won't change.
Anyway, if he smashes Thailand I have no problem. But he is getting lazy and a little self-destructive now
Seems to not care. That lineup was horrendous. Kruse up front, thought he learned already

Agree on his stubbornness and style but on paper we are the second best side in the group.  That is where we will finish. 

On paper we are currently the third best

I must say, his persistence with a formation and style the team has never looked comfortable with amplifies his inability to adjust and admit he is wrong.

But also playing his favourites ahead of those who are actually playing club football week in week out must send the wrong message to the rest of the team.

Whilst Ange has been good for the game, his partial success seems to have gone to his head.

Our playing stocks are a bigger problem then our manager. I mean look at the Aussies abroad thread, we get excited over players getting moves to smaller clubs and leagues and can't believe when managers don't give our players more game time when qualifying campaigns like this show that they're probably simply not good enough.

Sure we could bring in a manager to park the bus anytime we come up against decent opposition and might get slightly better results, but we've done that before and everybody complained then too. I'm not saying Ange is the ultimate answer, but we paid him to do a job and we'll know if he's done it after Tuesday night.

Four draws and a loss in Asian qualifying is disastrous. Proof his 'style' and formation does not work. What a limp performance, sack him before the Thai game.
I am an avid Vuck fan but would much rather Arnie in, at least he would provide structure and you might be able to actually decifer what his intentions are in terms of setting up and playing style.

And this here is the exact reason.

Making a player play out of position or not to their strengths, the constant always playing out the back even when the defense is shagged, inability to be flexible and change shit on the fly.

Just all of it.

-PB

That one time in late 2013 when we beat Costa Rica I think. I think it was Ange's first game or second (don't remember who managed the 3-0 win over Canada).

Anges original weaknesses to international football have been found wanting. He is inflexible and always has been. The Asian cup success came at a time when things were new and his style was unknown to the other nations. But now he's been exposed completely. Coupled with his stubbornness/inability to adapt his style and we are fucked.

Firstly .....I don't think Smith should be in the squad let alone the starting eleven.
I would prefer almost anyone there other than him....Gersbach ?

So if Australia beat Thailand 4-0 and we qualify will all this bleeding heart stuff still be going on ?

To be fair to Ange he has quite poor cattle to work with. Yes ...he has them playing a style that many can't handle but he is looking far ahead .
We can't go on simply playing physical bash me football forever as it may get us to World Cups but we will win nothing once there.
We had to change our style at some point.
Ange has done that and it was a brave thing to do .

To compare him to Pim and Holger is ridiculous...both had players playing regularly in Europe and both had ageing golden Generation players.
They also had a brief to simply get us to qualify...and nothing else....and it showed once we actually tried to play in the World Cup under them ...we were a joke.

Ange has A-league players and second and third division players.With those players he is trying to change our style and culture. No one said it would be without pain.
Even if we don't quaiify I hope we continue on this path as I have no desire to watch us go back to hoof ball...even if it wins us a few games here and there ,we will never win anyone's respect .
We have to learn to play. We have to evolve ...and that will involve some pain.

......also which one of you actually thought we were certainties to beat Japan... in Japan ? nobody does ! ..including Australia !
Football is a game of inches. If Leckie's shot against the post had snuck in the whole game could have been totally different.
Ange has ordinary players believing in themselves.  He has to exude confidence if he wants his players to believe in themselves and him.
That's why he appears arrogant.
I think he is doing a magnificent job. He will make mistakes along the way and he has ...but that is how you learn .
Everyone needs to chill a little ...
Speaking of Chill.....don't forget how we played against Chile.
We can do it ... we just need more consistency ...and that will take years .

Many people, just need to go back and read the comments after the Saudi loss :laugh:

As a Roar supporter, the game last night was reminiscent of the games for Roar against FNQ etc  with Ange in charge. Lots of huff and puff and little end product. Roar managed to grind out enough wins as we had, among others, Broich, but Australia doesn't have such luxuries.

As soon as the UAE result came in Ange should have parked the bus, with four at the back, Milligan in position and play for a draw. Squad selection once more was the problem, with Ange playing favourites.

No Jedinak in the squad because he needs to play a few matches to get his place back, but the squad is full of players that play more for Australia than their clubs, Smith, Sainsbury, Langerak. Spiranovic is playing park football and Kruse was without a club for while.

No Aziz Behich who plays more games every season than Smith and Gersbach have played in their careers.

Robbie Kruse as lone striker, the least physically imposing player to ever wear the green and gold.

And going back to Brazil no second RB despite Franjic carrying an injury, with that donkey McGowan allowing the opposition to stroll through at will, just like he still does.

Eveyone keeps on going look how we played against chile. WE DIDNT WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
international football is about winning, doing best with the cattle you have and grinding out results. 
Embarrassing is getting 0 points in a world cup, it is leaking goals away from home against minows while having the lead. 
Are you happy we had 58% of doing sweet fuck all last night. We played a nice posession game didn't we?
International football is about winning, Ange has the worst record out of the managers. Living after the glory days of his asian cup, which we always do well in and should do well in. 

Here we go again, settling for mediocrity, like we did with Pim and Holger.  We are a mediocre side no doubt, but we shouldn't be fighting with Saudi Arabia and UAE for a spot at the world cup.

Since when is being the second team in the world to qualify, and i think undefeated, plus 4 points at the World Cup "mediocre"?

We look at our players and pump them up to be something they are not.  Because "we Australia, we mentality, we never say die, we won't die wondering" blah blah blah.

Outside managers look at what is in front of them without any of that nonsense clouding their judgement.

Maybe the Aussie way is to sit at home in front of the TV at 4 in the morning watching other nations play in the World Cup.  

Ange has lost the plot. He's let his previous successes go to his head and thinks he's the messiah. His decisions now are idiotic. 

The furthest forward player we had scores for us at a rate of 0.07 goals per game. FFS.  Easiest clean sheet japans ever got. 

There's a few managers that are currently not working that I reckon would do well for us and are realistic appointments - as in, not so young as to want day to day club football.

Some with international experience like Laurent Blanc, Sam Allardyce (lel no thanks) and some without that I reckon would be decent appointments like Martin Jol and Walter Mazzari - Not that I reckon any of those would accept the position.

Personally I would like to see someone like Jol or maybe even Klaus Augenthaler in charge. Their knowledge of Aussies and the A League would obviously be well, non-existent but if we're going away from Aussie mangers what can we expect?

I don't think Arnie is the right choice (again... yet). He had his chance already and ballsed it completely. His old school style probably doesn't do too well with a group of guys that barely see each other and then have to play together.

I don't think there's a suitable coach in Australia today that could take the Roo's forward so I'm hoping we'll go foreign again.

I cut and paste this from TSF's Ange Watch post

Teams beaten:

Bangaladesh
Tajikistan
Costa Rica
Saudi Arabia
Kuwait
Oman
China
United Arab Emirates
South Korea (after extra time)
Krygyzstan
Japan x 2
Jordan
Greece

Lost to

Greece
Jordan
South Korea
Japan x 2
Ecuador
England
Croatia
Chile
Spain
Netherlands
Belgium
Brazil

Drawn against

Thailand
Macedonia
United Arab Emirates
South Africa
Germany
Iraq
Cameroon
Chile

What a load of ballony

Arnie?

Puke.

-PB

arnie would have ratcheted up the pre match mind games so far japan would have forfeited because half their team would have had mental breakdown

Let's get some tactically astute German or Dutch or whatever coach to qualify us for the World Cups then bring in Ange for the actual tournaments.