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johnszasz - 8 Sep 2017 10:00 PM
scott21 - 8 Sep 2017 9:19 PM

Langerak easy.

But would Ange sub him in?
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scott21 - 8 Sep 2017 10:04 PM
johnszasz - 8 Sep 2017 10:00 PM

But would Ange sub him in?

Just start him :D
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johnszasz - 8 Sep 2017 10:09 PM
scott21 - 8 Sep 2017 10:04 PM

Just start him :D

Ange wont do that. Even if we make it past Syria, Ryan is benched for his club and Mitch is playing in Spain. 
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Can Syrians support their national soccer team without taking sides in the country's civil war?

It was the third minute into overtime of the soccer World Cup qualifier in Tehran’s Azadi Stadium between Syria and Iran. Iran was ahead 2-1, but a red-shirted Syrian player, Mardik Mardikian, had just taken control of the ball and was now racing past his opponents.

The announcer turned plaintive. “Have we lost the dream by our own hand?” he said. “Come on, guys … Allah, Allah, please, please …”

With seconds left in the game, the play would decide if Syria continued its improbable bid to enter its first World Cup. Mardikian passed the ball to striker Omar Somah, whose deft footwork slotted it in the goal’s far corner to end the game in a 2-2 tie and allow Syria to advance to a playoff.

The crowd went wild. The announcer howled “Goooal!”

“Oh Allah, in the 93rd minute? What is happening? Cry! Be happy!” he shouted before breaking down in sobs. “I swear you deserve it, our national team, I swear you deserve it.”

The team’s success this week has given the country a rare cause for celebration amid a seven-year civil war that has left hundreds of thousands dead.

But it also has left Syrians conflicted and wondering: Is it possible to support the national team without supporting Syrian President Bashar Assad?

The team surely belongs to people.

“Regardless of what happens, we have nothing to do with politics,” Firas Khatib, the team’s top striker, said in a phone interview this week. “We are representing the Syrian national team. We represent every Syrian citizen.”

But it’s hard to argue that the team doesn’t also belong to Assad, a leader who stands accused of using chemical weapons on his own citizens. As in most countries of the Middle East, the state is the major sponsor of sports and controls every aspect of the team.

All of the members must be approved by Assad’s government. The war has whittled down the number available, as many have joined the ranks of the diaspora and now play in Egypt, Qatar, Kuwait or other places abroad.

Some star players have spoken out against Assad and joined the opposition, which would like to see the president toppled by the various rebel groups his forces are fighting. Opposition activists say that some outspoken players have been targeted and killed by the government.

A few players who left the team have recently returned. Khatib rejoined the squad last month only after receiving guarantees of his safety from the Syrian Football Assn. The night of his heroic goal, Somah was making his first appearance with his team after a four-year exile.

Even fielding a national team — let alone getting to the brink of a slot in the World Cup — has been a challenge for Syria.

It has played its home games in places as far-flung as Malaysia. Even if the situation in Syria’s main cities were stable enough for tournaments, many stadiums have been converted to makeshift living areas for the millions of displaced.

The importance of the game was was not lost on the government.

In the run-up to the live broadcast, the government erected giant screens in public squares in Damascus, Homs and Aleppo. State media fawned over the squad, while supporters put up stylized posters displaying the words “Eagles of Qasyoun,” a reference to the mountain overlooking Damascus, and the Syrian flag, which the opposition refuses to recognize.

After the match, the players were flown back to the VIP chamber in Damascus International Airport, arriving to the cheers of hundreds of fans.

Other Syrians dismissed the celebrations as little more than a propaganda exercise by a government trying to suggest that the conflict has ended in its favor and that life has begun to return to normal.

“I understand people’s need for a happy event linked to Syria and their true desire to be united.… I respect their feelings,” said Hala Droubi, a Syrian journalist working in the region, in a Facebook chat Wednesday. “But at the same time, anyone who knows Syria well knows that in Syria there are no independent institutions, and that includes sporting institutions.”

She said that soccer especially had long been used by governments to create a false sense of belonging.

“Considering this team as one that is above politics and a national team that unites people is a big lie and part of a certain propaganda,” she said.

The government has reasserted its control over the country’s most important urban centers, including the capital, Damascus, and Aleppo.

Recent government advances led the U.N. special envoy for Syria, Staffan de Mistura, on Wednesday to call on the opposition to be “unified and realistic enough and realize that they did not win the war.”

Yet much of the country remains divided, and thousands of Syrians now living abroad say it is impossible to return home with Assad still in power.

Some online commentators couldn’t resist pointing out the irony of Syria having to defeat Iran — one of Assad’s top battlefield allies against the rebels — to play in a World Cup set in Russia, his most ardent international supporter.

They superimposed the faces of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Hassan Nasrallah, head of the pro-Assad, Iranian-backed Lebanese Shiite group Hezbollah, on a picture of the team. Assad was the goalkeeper.

There were rumors that Iran had thrown the game for its ally, but its coach said that was nonsense, Iranian news outlets reported.

Opposition activists, meanwhile, took to Twitter using a hashtag campaign with the words “The Team of Barrels” written under the “Eagles of Qasyoun.”

It was a reference to barrel bombs, crude explosives used in airstrikes by government forces.

Khatib, like other players, insisted he was interested in only soccer.

“This is an unprecedented achievement, and our real achievement was the happiness of the Syrian people,” he said. “I hope we’ll be able to bring joy to people and reach the World Cup.”

Syria still needs a favorable showing in four games to qualify for the World Cup. It is likely to face Australia in the coming months, leading to calls from the opposition for people to cheer the Australian team over the Syrian one.

Those calls provoked a question from Maias Yamani, a Syrian musician — and passionate soccer fan — living in Doha, the Qatari capital.

“If next week the government fell and all the offenders left Syria and all the prisoners were released from the prison and the killing ended,” he wrote on his Facebook page Wednesday, “after how many weeks can one cheer for the Syrian team instead of the Australian team?”

Can Syrians support their national soccer team without taking sides in the country's civil war? - LA Times


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Funarch - 8 Sep 2017 6:25 PM
nomates - 8 Sep 2017 6:08 PM

But unfair, really. There will be several much stronger teams from Europe and South America missing out... Hence that's why FIFA decided to change the format and there will be 48 teams at the WC in 2026 which will most likely be hosted by USA, Canada + Mexico (Trump is supporting it)

That's not why the format is changing, it's for political reasons, i.e. the new FIFA president consolidating a power base.
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Funarch - 8 Sep 2017 6:25 PM
nomates - 8 Sep 2017 6:08 PM

But unfair, really. There will be several much stronger teams from Europe and South America missing out... Hence that's why FIFA decided to change the format and there will be 48 teams at the WC in 2026 which will most likely be hosted by USA, Canada + Mexico (Trump is supporting it)

It is unfair. But I don't reckon that's why it's being drastically altered. It is for political reasons probably.

Imo, it's so that FIFA can keep the States there and try to bundle China into the World Cup. FIFA would dearly love to have China in the World Cup because they'd be able to get so much more money out of the advertising.

The whole thing is a joke. They're prostituting the sport to the Chinese.
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SC04 - 8 Sep 2017 11:16 PM
Funarch - 8 Sep 2017 6:25 PM

That's not why the format is changing, it's for political reasons, i.e. the new FIFA president consolidating a power base.

I think so. But specifically by trying to make it easier for the Chinese to qualify.
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SC04 - 8 Sep 2017 11:16 PM
Funarch - 8 Sep 2017 6:25 PM

That's not why the format is changing, it's for political reasons, i.e. the new FIFA president consolidating a power base.

Yeah consolidating his powerbase on Earth before the Mars colony gets too poewrful
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If Syria win and they play the US, would the yanks let them in?
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quickflick - 8 Sep 2017 11:33 PM
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I think so. But specifically by trying to make it easier for the Chinese to qualify.

and even then, China still will not qualify... 
good and sports, but not team sports


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Garb on twitter saying Malaysia unlikely. Either Abu Dhabi or Doha. Heat and travel will be tough, but you'd think we'd get a decent pitch. 
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tsf - 11 Sep 2017 9:57 AM
If Syria win and they play the US, would the yanks let them in?

"exempt from the new rules are those with business or educational ties to the US."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40452360



be even funnier if Syria pick Iran as their home ground
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At what point is not nominating a home venue (or country) just pain cheating? We have the right to prepare for the match.
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tsf - 11 Sep 2017 9:57 AM
If Syria win and they play the US, would the yanks let them in?

The Yanks wouldn't risk getting booted from FIFA, no
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Socceroos set for another Middle East trip

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The Socceroos' path to the World Cup is about to get even tougher with next month's qualifying play-off against Syria likely to be played in the Middle East - not in Malaysia.

War-torn Syria has not played on home soil since 2010 and staged all of their third-round Asian qualifiers in Malaysia, where it was anticipated they would play host to Australia on October 5.

But it's understood there are moves being made by Syria's football association to ensure the clash will be held in either Jordan, Qatar or the United Arab Emirates - instead of on Australia's doorstep in south-east Asia.

Reports from overseas suggest Abu Dhabi is the frontrunner.

Football Federation Australia is eagerly awaiting the venue announcement from the Asian Football Confederation, with official word expected in the next 24 hours.

"We haven't heard anything officially but we're also watching to see when the venue will be confirmed," FFA chief executive David Gallop told AAP.

The return leg, on October 10, is locked in for ANZ Stadium in Sydney.

The Socceroos have traditionally struggled in the Middle East and have won just two of their last five qualifiers in the region.

However, the most recent win was one of Australia's best performances in recent memory, beating the UAE 1-0 in steaming conditions in Abu Dhabi last November.

The winner of the two-legged clash between Australia and Syria will take on North and Central America's fourth-best team in another play-off for a spot at Russia 2018.

Socceroos set for another Middle East trip - Nine Wide World of Sports - Football


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quickflick - 8 Sep 2017 11:31 PM
Funarch - 8 Sep 2017 6:25 PM

It is unfair. But I don't reckon that's why it's being drastically altered. It is for political reasons probably.

Imo, it's so that FIFA can keep the States there and try to bundle China into the World Cup. FIFA would dearly love to have China in the World Cup because they'd be able to get so much more money out of the advertising.

The whole thing is a joke. They're prostituting the sport to the Chinese.

Isn't everyone after the chinese money (gravy) train?
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Actually better imo. 

UAE is a lot closer for all the Euro based players.
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scott21 - 11 Sep 2017 4:21 PM
Actually better imo. 

UAE is a lot closer for all the Euro based players.

Also less likely to play on a cow paddock.

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Also less likely to play on a cow paddock.

Internet says it is wetseason in Malaysia so probably humid too. They would prefer their natural drier heat. 



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wet season, cow paddock... are you guys preparing excuses for another clumsy-roos  performance?...
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Funarch - 11 Sep 2017 6:21 PM
wet season, cow paddock... are you guys preparing excuses for another clumsy-roos  performance?...

?

Syria is choosing where Syria will play. They may not have wanted to play in a cow paddock themselves.....
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Syria trying to get the game played in the UAE, Jordan or Qatar. UAE would be fine. Better pitch and accessible from both ends of the world. That small Malaysia stadium has a terrible pitch. 
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Abu Dhabi is understood to be the frontrunner. I'd welcome it. 
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Socceroos captain Mile Jedinak looks set to return for vital World Cup playoffs

MILE Jedinak has made his return to the Aston Villa squad, indicating he will return for the Socceroos’ World Cup qualifiers. Also, get the latest on Robbie Kruse and Mathew Leckie.

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DAYS after the Socceroos missed a host of scoring chances that could have secured World Cup qualification, key duo Mathew Leckie and Robbie Kruse netted on their club returns.

But the most heartening news for the treacherous World Cup playoffs came with Socceroos captain Mile Jedinak returning to the Aston Villa team sheet for the first time since May.

The midfielder has not played since Australia’s 3-2 World Cup qualifying win against Saudi Arabia in early June. He was released from Confederations Cup duty so he could return to England to recover from a longstanding groin problem.

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Jedinak was an unused substitute in Sunday’s 0-0 home draw with Brentford but should return to the Socceroos squad for the two-legged playoff against Syria on October 5 and 10.

After failing to score for defensive-minded Ingolstadt last season, Leckie backed up an opening-round double for Bundesliga high-flyer Hertha Berlin by pouncing to blast the ball home in a 1-1 home draw with Werder Bremen.

Australian captain Mile Jedinak celebrates a Socceroos win. Picture: AFP Photo

Australian captain Mile Jedinak celebrates a Socceroos win. Picture: AFP PhotoSource:AFP

Bibiana Steinhaus made history as the first female referee to officiate in a top European league and Hertha marked the occasion by offering half-price tickets to female supporters.

Kruse’s goal may be even more significant. Making his fourth start of the season for new club Bochum, he scored his first club goal in almost four years, after a string of injuries.

The attacker glided past the defence to score an 86th-minute winner to knock Jamie Maclaren’s Darmstadt off top spot in the German second division. Maclaren was an unused substitute in the 2-1 loss.

Socceroos goalkeeper Mat Ryan also gained confidence, playing a key role for Brighton in its first Premier League win, 3-1 at home to West Bromwich.

Fellow shot-stopper Mitch Langerak was not on the team sheet for his new Spanish club Levante, which drew 1-1 at Real Madrid.

Former Newcastle Jets keeper Mark Birighitti made his debut for Dutch club NAC Breda after signing from Swansea on deadline day. Breda lost 2-1 at AZ Alkmaar.

Mathew Leckie in action in the Bundesliga. Picture: AFP Photo

Mathew Leckie in action in the Bundesliga. Picture: AFP PhotoSource:AFP

Winger Craig Goodwin is making claims for a Socceroos call-up. He ghosted in on the back post to score a neat volley in Sparta Rotterdam’s 1-0 home win against FC Twente.

Defender Trent Sainsbury made his first club start since October and played his first club minutes since May, starting for Jiangsu Suning in a 0-0 draw at Shandong Luneng in China.
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josh sydneyfc - 6 Sep 2017 5:59 AM
If we qualify this way does it help our ranking)

if we win both games it will

 




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I get where a lot of the Jedinak criticism comes from, too slow, doesn't pass forward enough etc. Technically he isn't a great fit for Ange ball. But... am I the only one who feels like we could have used his leadership in our last two ties? The man is a beast and has a real presence both on an off the pitch. I would happily have him at DM for our Syria games. Move Millsy to RB and get as much experience on the pitch as possible. 
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George_Worst - 11 Sep 2017 8:44 PM
I get where a lot of the Jedinak criticism comes from, too slow, doesn't pass forward enough etc. Technically he isn't a great fit for Ange ball. But... am I the only one who feels like we could have used his leadership in our last two ties? The man is a beast and has a real presence both on an off the pitch. I would happily have him at DM for our Syria games. Move Millsy to RB and get as much experience on the pitch as possible. 

should be a starting centre back with milligan in midfield.

fwiw i'd like to ange follow guardiola's lead in the formation.

--------------sainsbury------------jedinak------------wilkinson
-----------------------------------milligandinho
leckie-----------------rogic---------------------mooy-----------gersbach/behich
---------------------juric/cahill-----------maclaren/troisi/taggart

having 2 at the front with a target man and a pacey workhorse/poacher would be sweet.  

if the AL was in season I would also like santalab or maybe brosque be bought in instead of a young'un this time.  considering we struggle to score goals.  

 




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George_Worst - 11 Sep 2017 8:44 PM
I get where a lot of the Jedinak criticism comes from, too slow, doesn't pass forward enough etc. Technically he isn't a great fit for Ange ball. But... am I the only one who feels like we could have used his leadership in our last two ties? The man is a beast and has a real presence both on an off the pitch. I would happily have him at DM for our Syria games. Move Millsy to RB and get as much experience on the pitch as possible. 

Ange didnt get this team yesterday and he hasnt cultivated leaders in the group. So he becomes an option, is the best option? I dont think so personally. 
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