ACL: Shanghai Shenua v Sydney


ACL: Shanghai Shenua v Sydney

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Sydney FC played really well, Adrian and Ninko were excellent.

On the other end Freddy Guarin showing why he has played for Inter Milan and Porto, such a classy player with an excellent first touch to boot. 
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You actually have to win games.Ask Roar.If you concede 2 goals a game you lose most games.
Calver only improved because Shanghai S ran out of legs.Next time you play you will be players short and in the thick of multiple games in quick succession.
I would say,Shanghia and SFC will miss out.
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sydneycroatia58 - 22 Feb 2018 1:18 AM
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You do have every chance obviousy, but it does now rely on you winning at the very least 1 of the 3 games against Kashima and Suwon.

Our next ACL game is against Kashima at home. A win is an absolute must.

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In the past we have gotten a lot of points against China and half hearted Japanese teams. These days its much harder and we are forced to try and win more points against korean teams

I think they need around 9 points to advance which means at least one win away from home
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Calver is not of a professional standard
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grazorblade - 22 Feb 2018 3:29 AM
In the past we have gotten a lot of points against China and half hearted Japanese teams. These days its much harder and we are forced to try and win more points against korean teams

I think they need around 9 points to advance which means at least one win away from home

The good thing for Sydney is this seems a pretty even group, teams should be constantly taking points off eachother. But if they fail to beat Kashima at home they are almost definitely out.
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that was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment.
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jas88 - 22 Feb 2018 10:28 AM
that was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment.

agree.
End to end - you didn't want to take your eyes off the tv.
Bobo has never very mobile but I'll take his size/positioning in the box and his leap for heading as shown by the 1st goal.
That 2nd one of ours was quality.
Yes there were errors and just as many by them.
Calver is out of his depth but how many have quoted regards AL teams to use more locals.
Mind you Arnie has thrown him in the deep end (in the club since 2012 with just 28 appearances) but that happened back in the nsl days right. Selection error we shall see I suppose but he's getting a quick lesson last 2games lol......
Overall pretty happy, night and day compared to previous game we recovered.



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jas88 - 22 Feb 2018 10:28 AM
that was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment.

Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner




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bluebird - 22 Feb 2018 11:50 AM
jas88 - 22 Feb 2018 10:28 AM

Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner

Did you watch the game?

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jas88 - 22 Feb 2018 10:28 AM
that was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment.

 

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marconi101 - 22 Feb 2018 11:55 AM
jas88 - 22 Feb 2018 10:28 AM

 

if the ref counted as part of the Aussie team

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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bluebird - 22 Feb 2018 11:50 AM
jas88 - 22 Feb 2018 10:28 AM

Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner

you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was.
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phutbol - 22 Feb 2018 12:20 PM
bluebird - 22 Feb 2018 11:50 AM

you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was.

Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference

No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180




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phutbol - 22 Feb 2018 12:20 PM
bluebird - 22 Feb 2018 11:50 AM

you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was.

Don't bother. The result doesn't suit bluebird's agenda and I don't think he even watched the game. 

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sydneyfc1987 - 22 Feb 2018 1:10 AM
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Disagree. On the basis on that game I feel we have every chance of making the next round. Calver improved tonight as the game went on. Hopefully he'll improve with game time.

You got a draw, conceding 2 goals a game will not get you through to the next round.
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jas88 - 22 Feb 2018 10:28 AM
that was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment.

:laugh::laugh: FMD

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WSF - 22 Feb 2018 12:50 PM
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You got a draw, conceding 2 goals a game will not get you through to the next round.

Did you watch the match WSF?

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jas88 - 22 Feb 2018 10:28 AM
that was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment.

My favourite performance was roar v fc Tokyo  even though the roar lost it was the highest level of club football i had seen on oz soil and a glimpse of what it would be like if j league clubs gave 100 percent in the acl 
Having said that last night's goals were some of the best team goals oz clubs have produced in the acl
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So basically only South Melbourne can beat a top flight Chinese club?
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sydneyfc1987 - 22 Feb 2018 12:57 PM
WSF - 22 Feb 2018 12:50 PM

Did you watch the match WSF?

Yes, what does that have to do with conceding 2 goals a game? 

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sydneyfc1987 - 22 Feb 2018 12:57 PM
WSF - 22 Feb 2018 12:50 PM

Did you watch the match WSF?

Doesn't matter if it was an entertaining game, you drew against not even one of the top sides from China in their pre season and you are saying it is the best ever performance from an Aussie team? Get a grip honestly.
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bluebird - 22 Feb 2018 12:25 PM
phutbol - 22 Feb 2018 12:20 PM

Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference

No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180

Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here.





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City Sam - 22 Feb 2018 9:47 AM
grazorblade - 22 Feb 2018 3:29 AM

The good thing for Sydney is this seems a pretty even group, teams should be constantly taking points off eachother. But if they fail to beat Kashima at home they are almost definitely out.

Depends on the other results like you said, if there are a few draws they could get lucky but you really have to win your home games to make it through. 
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City Sam - 22 Feb 2018 1:13 PM
sydneyfc1987 - 22 Feb 2018 12:57 PM

Doesn't matter if it was an entertaining game, you drew against not even one of the top sides from China in their pre season and you are saying it is the best ever performance from an Aussie team? Get a grip honestly.

I never said that. I assume you have me confused with another poster. 

All I'm saying is the performance suggested we could still make it out of the group. I'm trying to counter the constant negativity of the likes of bluebird and WSF, who for varying reasons are throwing a wet blanket over anyone who says anything positive about the game or Sydney's performance. 

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bluebird - 22 Feb 2018 12:25 PM
phutbol - 22 Feb 2018 12:20 PM

No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180

I know the point you are trying to make (for the 13,476th time) but that's a COMPLETELY ridiculous assertion.

So the best 30 individual players in the Serie A play for Napoli?


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Davide82 - 22 Feb 2018 1:29 PM
bluebird - 22 Feb 2018 12:25 PM

I know the point you are trying to make (for the 13,476th time) but that's a COMPLETELY ridiculous assertion.

So the best 30 individual players in the Serie A play for Napoli?


It wasn't literal, it was approximate

The point is they finished 11th so presumably the best players would have been in the top 4 clubs






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phutbol - 22 Feb 2018 1:14 PM
bluebird - 22 Feb 2018 12:25 PM

Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here.





And how has that panned out for ACL results?

Brisbane - didn't make it past the playoff round against the Philippines
Melbourne - 3rd and winless
Sydney - dead last

The impact of the salary cap is more about the distribution of players. 70% of Australia's best were not part of ACL squads




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phutbol - 22 Feb 2018 1:14 PM
bluebird - 22 Feb 2018 12:25 PM

Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here.





Are you saying that our players values are being suppressed by the salary cap and that they should be worth more. You can't have it both ways. That's why you let the market decide.







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bluebird - 22 Feb 2018 1:39 PM
phutbol - 22 Feb 2018 1:14 PM

And how has that panned out for ACL results?

Brisbane - didn't make it past the playoff round against the Philippines
Melbourne - 3rd and winless
Sydney - dead last

The impact of the salary cap is more about the distribution of players. 70% of Australia's best were not part of ACL squads

You cant have both. You either have a shitty domestic comp dominated by 1 or 2 teams with those 1 or 2 teams doing well in Asia against comparative players or you have what we have now. 

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