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By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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Not really looking forward to this one. 3-0 Shanghai.
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And the slow death of Australian will continue after kick-off, stay tuned!
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+xAnd the slow death of Australian will continue after kick-off, stay tuned! chinese commentator says sydney fc is the best performanced team of the Southern Hemisphere lol about 10 to 15 away fans though
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+x+xAnd the slow death of Australian will continue after kick-off, stay tuned! chinese commentator says sydney fc is the best performanced team of the Southern Hemisphere lol about 10 to 15 away fans though At least those 10-15 travelling fans are real, unlike the thousands of Chinese students given fee tickets and shirts at Sydney's home games.
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wtf Wilkshire.
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SFC looking okay. Last week they looked out of place but not this week 👍
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+xSFC looking okay. Last week they looked out of place but not this week 👍 More space at this stage, but some very nice interplay thus far.
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Bobo wasteful, needs to do better at this level
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Shenhua look vulnerable at the back
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Brosque just hit the crossbar
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Faaaaark. That would of been a great goal.
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That was a bloody good goal
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+xThat was a bloody good goal Was good, thought SFC miss was better (if went in).
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Another Calver f-up = goal
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That was a bad mistake on the left when the ball first came down that side.
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Asia 1 Salary Cap 0
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aussie scott21
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4 more years
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Great way to bounce back Sydney 1-1
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Never got my head around how these Chinese teams have so much money to throw on players yet their stadiums are garbage
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+xNever got my head around how these Chinese teams have so much money to throw on players yet their stadiums are garbage This
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+xNever got my head around how these Chinese teams have so much money to throw on players yet their stadiums are garbage Well done Sydney cracker of a game hopefully our fitness helps us in ghe latter stages wow ninko 1-2
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wilkshire for russia
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What’s wrong with the stadium (apart from it nearly burnt down last year?)
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+xWhat’s wrong with the stadium (apart from it nearly burnt down last year?) Wish their was more like them in Australia.
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+xWhat’s wrong with the stadium (apart from it nearly burnt down last year?) Nothing 'wrong' necessarily, just would expect some world class stadia in a cit like Shanghai.
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This is a great match thus far.
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That was poor Bobo
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32 minutes and Hill says "helter skelter stuff"
And after 15 years I still have not fucking idea what relevance the Manson killings have to football or what inference he's actually drawing about the play
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+x32 minutes and Hill says "helter skelter stuff" And after 15 years I still have not fucking idea what relevance the Manson killings have to football or what inference he's actually drawing about the play Manson got it from the beatles who got it from the hindi language or something. Originally wanted sydney to get smashed but shanghai are garbage which still makes me want sydney to lose but can't help but go for them! Another goal. Fantastic game!
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Cmon!
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Smart by Wilkshire to chip that high ball across, clumsy stuff at the back before Shanghai's goal though. Decent intensity so far.
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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Get in my son !!!
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Asia 1, Salary Cap 2?
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The salary cap equalised Shanghai's asses
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Brilliant!
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Beautiful goal, Sydney have been quality
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Ninkovic... (y)
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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Lol, the sydney fc supporter ducking for cover when the camera came to him. Clearly hiding something.
Much improved Sydney.
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Fuck Redmayne
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Fuckin catch it you useless fucker !!
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+xFuckin catch it you useless fucker !! The sort of thing that doesn't get punished in the A-League.
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+x+xFuckin catch it you useless fucker !! The sort of thing that doesn't get punished in the A-League. It's not like he was in traffic,it was a bread and butter catch for any goalkeeper.
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What was that Redmayne, awful
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wtf Redmayne 😞
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Sydney TPP 4 million. Shangahi TPP 106 million.
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+xSydney TPP 4 million. Shangahi TPP 106 million. Number of Rugby League fans/players in Shanghai: 4 or 5 at a stretch
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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So that kicking the ball forward 1 metre 30,000 chinese go crazy wasn't just an Asian Cup thing
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+xSo that kicking the ball forward 1 metre 30,000 chinese go crazy wasn't just an Asian Cup thing helter skelter
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+x+xSo that kicking the ball forward 1 metre 30,000 chinese go crazy wasn't just an Asian Cup thing helter skelter Yeah it was helter skelter stuff that
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+x+x+xSo that kicking the ball forward 1 metre 30,000 chinese go crazy wasn't just an Asian Cup thing helter skelter Yeah it was helter skelter stuff that helter-skelterˌhɛltəˈskɛltə/ adjective & adverb- 1.in disorderly haste or confusion."the helter-skelter dash to unity
noun- 1.BRITISHa fairground amusement consisting of a tall spiral slide winding around a tower.
- 2.disorder; confusion."the helter-skelter of a school day"
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I like this ref thus far. Hasn't put up with Shanghai's flopping down after every tackle.
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What a half of football.
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making a game of it these sydney siders
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First time Redmayne has had to do something this season and he fucks it up
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+xFirst time Redmayne has had to do something this season and he fucks it up Both goals are fuck ups. One through the legs and the other punched straight to a player for a side foot tap in
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Sydney the better side, but we look extremely vulnerable.
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Shanghai Shenhua finished 11th in the CSL table last year compared to SIPG finished 2nd. You can tell the difference in quality between the 2.
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+xShanghai Shenhua finished 11th in the CSL table last year compared to SIPG finished 2nd. You can tell the difference in quality between the 2. I doubt a team outside Europe has two players like Hulk and Oscar.
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+x+xShanghai Shenhua finished 11th in the CSL table last year compared to SIPG finished 2nd. You can tell the difference in quality between the 2. I doubt a team outside Europe has two players like Hulk and Oscar. Is Shanghai in Europe now?
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+x+x+xShanghai Shenhua finished 11th in the CSL table last year compared to SIPG finished 2nd. You can tell the difference in quality between the 2. I doubt a team outside Europe has two players like Hulk and Oscar. Is Shanghai in Europe now? Do you think before you post?
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+x+x+x+xShanghai Shenhua finished 11th in the CSL table last year compared to SIPG finished 2nd. You can tell the difference in quality between the 2. I doubt a team outside Europe has two players like Hulk and Oscar. Is Shanghai in Europe now? Do you think before you post? Sometimes.
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This is what happens to keepers who only play in a league where wingers can't cross a ball
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ok smartarses what's a "blood and thunder contest"
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+xok smartarses what's a "blood and thunder contest" sure, had to look it up. It does reference football though. blood and thunder 1. informal unrestrained and violent action or behaviour. "a typical blood-and-thunder cup tie"
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+x+xok smartarses what's a "blood and thunder contest" sure, had to look it up. It does reference football though. blood and thunder 1. informal unrestrained and violent action or behaviour. "a typical blood-and-thunder cup tie"
Also turns out has musical references like helter skelter and Simon Hill is a drummer so makes sense as well
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+x+x+xok smartarses what's a "blood and thunder contest" sure, had to look it up. It does reference football though. blood and thunder 1. informal unrestrained and violent action or behaviour. "a typical blood-and-thunder cup tie"
Also turns out has musical references like helter skelter and Simon Hill is a drummer so makes sense as well I'm starting to think he watches a bit of Crime Channel
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+x+x+x+xok smartarses what's a "blood and thunder contest" sure, had to look it up. It does reference football though. blood and thunder 1. informal unrestrained and violent action or behaviour. "a typical blood-and-thunder cup tie"
Also turns out has musical references like helter skelter and Simon Hill is a drummer so makes sense as well I'm starting to think he watches a bit of Crime Channel "serial " offender?
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+xok smartarses what's a "blood and thunder contest" Unfortunate violent gastrointestinal event?
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+xok smartarses what's a "blood and thunder contest" It's just another widely used English expression but means more like full on, blood and guts or balls and all etc
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Move the A-League to the winter.
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COME ON SYDNEY!
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how is that not a red
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3 Wangs in the Shanghai squadtonight. Surely Shenhua will be given a late pen.
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+x3 Wangs in the Shanghai squadtonight. Surely Shenhua will be given a late pen. Not sure, but looking more and more atm like its the only way Bobo is likely to score.
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Anyway how is everyone this morning?
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This has Shanghai 93rd minute winner written all over it.
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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Anyone live betting on this, i'm going for a smoko so put 5 on sydney to score in the next 5 minutes
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Bobo is not agile enough for this level.
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+xBobo is not agile enough for this level. could be gastro
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+x+xBobo is not agile enough for this level. could be gastro He is as stiff as a board at the best of times.
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+x+x+xBobo is not agile enough for this level. could be gastro He is as stiff as a board at the best of times. One of the best games in ACL SFC had quite a few chances towards the end there especially Ninko
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A- league is definitely good enough, salary cap and all. It's a disgrace Sydney FC didn't win.
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So Sydney has 48 hours from when they land to the derby. Will anyone contain Arnold's head from exploding from egotistical comments if they win.
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We should of won that.
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Feel sorry for Calver.Talk about thrown in the deep end.
I can see why Brillante didnt make it in Italy.He just has to many mistakes in him.
All in all FC would have to be happy with that.But I cant see them getting through to the next round.That defence with the keeper looks shakier than the shaky isle across the ditch.
Arnold made a massive miscalculation with his backline formthe AFC or a certain person who pulled the pin at the last moment has stuffed things up and killed off any chance FC had.
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+xFeel sorry for Calver.Talk about thrown in the deep end.I can see why Brillante didnt make it in Italy.He just has to many mistakes in him.All in all FC would have to be happy with that.But I cant see them getting through to the next round.That defence with the keeper looks shakier than the shaky isle across the ditch.Arnold made a massive miscalculation with his backline formthe AFC or a certain person who pulled the pin at the last moment has stuffed things up and killed off any chance FC had. Disagree. On the basis on that game I feel we have every chance of making the next round. Calver improved tonight as the game went on. Hopefully he'll improve with game time.
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+x+xFeel sorry for Calver.Talk about thrown in the deep end.I can see why Brillante didnt make it in Italy.He just has to many mistakes in him.All in all FC would have to be happy with that.But I cant see them getting through to the next round.That defence with the keeper looks shakier than the shaky isle across the ditch.Arnold made a massive miscalculation with his backline formthe AFC or a certain person who pulled the pin at the last moment has stuffed things up and killed off any chance FC had. Disagree. On the basis on that game I feel we have every chance of making the next round. Calver improved tonight as the game went on. Hopefully he'll improve with game time. You do have every chance obviousy, but it does now rely on you winning at the very least 1 of the 3 games against Kashima and Suwon.
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+x+x+xFeel sorry for Calver.Talk about thrown in the deep end.I can see why Brillante didnt make it in Italy.He just has to many mistakes in him.All in all FC would have to be happy with that.But I cant see them getting through to the next round.That defence with the keeper looks shakier than the shaky isle across the ditch.Arnold made a massive miscalculation with his backline formthe AFC or a certain person who pulled the pin at the last moment has stuffed things up and killed off any chance FC had. Disagree. On the basis on that game I feel we have every chance of making the next round. Calver improved tonight as the game went on. Hopefully he'll improve with game time. You do have every chance obviousy, but it does now rely on you winning at the very least 1 of the 3 games against Kashima and Suwon. Our next ACL game is against Kashima at home. A win is an absolute must.
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+x+xFeel sorry for Calver.Talk about thrown in the deep end.I can see why Brillante didnt make it in Italy.He just has to many mistakes in him.All in all FC would have to be happy with that.But I cant see them getting through to the next round.That defence with the keeper looks shakier than the shaky isle across the ditch.Arnold made a massive miscalculation with his backline formthe AFC or a certain person who pulled the pin at the last moment has stuffed things up and killed off any chance FC had. Disagree. On the basis on that game I feel we have every chance of making the next round. Calver improved tonight as the game went on. Hopefully he'll improve with game time. You got a draw, conceding 2 goals a game will not get you through to the next round.
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+x+x+xFeel sorry for Calver.Talk about thrown in the deep end.I can see why Brillante didnt make it in Italy.He just has to many mistakes in him.All in all FC would have to be happy with that.But I cant see them getting through to the next round.That defence with the keeper looks shakier than the shaky isle across the ditch.Arnold made a massive miscalculation with his backline formthe AFC or a certain person who pulled the pin at the last moment has stuffed things up and killed off any chance FC had. Disagree. On the basis on that game I feel we have every chance of making the next round. Calver improved tonight as the game went on. Hopefully he'll improve with game time. You got a draw, conceding 2 goals a game will not get you through to the next round. Did you watch the match WSF?
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+x+x+x+xFeel sorry for Calver.Talk about thrown in the deep end.I can see why Brillante didnt make it in Italy.He just has to many mistakes in him.All in all FC would have to be happy with that.But I cant see them getting through to the next round.That defence with the keeper looks shakier than the shaky isle across the ditch.Arnold made a massive miscalculation with his backline formthe AFC or a certain person who pulled the pin at the last moment has stuffed things up and killed off any chance FC had. Disagree. On the basis on that game I feel we have every chance of making the next round. Calver improved tonight as the game went on. Hopefully he'll improve with game time. You got a draw, conceding 2 goals a game will not get you through to the next round. Did you watch the match WSF? Yes, what does that have to do with conceding 2 goals a game?
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+x+x+x+xFeel sorry for Calver.Talk about thrown in the deep end.I can see why Brillante didnt make it in Italy.He just has to many mistakes in him.All in all FC would have to be happy with that.But I cant see them getting through to the next round.That defence with the keeper looks shakier than the shaky isle across the ditch.Arnold made a massive miscalculation with his backline formthe AFC or a certain person who pulled the pin at the last moment has stuffed things up and killed off any chance FC had. Disagree. On the basis on that game I feel we have every chance of making the next round. Calver improved tonight as the game went on. Hopefully he'll improve with game time. You got a draw, conceding 2 goals a game will not get you through to the next round. Did you watch the match WSF? Doesn't matter if it was an entertaining game, you drew against not even one of the top sides from China in their pre season and you are saying it is the best ever performance from an Aussie team? Get a grip honestly.
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+x+x+x+x+xFeel sorry for Calver.Talk about thrown in the deep end.I can see why Brillante didnt make it in Italy.He just has to many mistakes in him.All in all FC would have to be happy with that.But I cant see them getting through to the next round.That defence with the keeper looks shakier than the shaky isle across the ditch.Arnold made a massive miscalculation with his backline formthe AFC or a certain person who pulled the pin at the last moment has stuffed things up and killed off any chance FC had. Disagree. On the basis on that game I feel we have every chance of making the next round. Calver improved tonight as the game went on. Hopefully he'll improve with game time. You got a draw, conceding 2 goals a game will not get you through to the next round. Did you watch the match WSF? Doesn't matter if it was an entertaining game, you drew against not even one of the top sides from China in their pre season and y ou are saying it is the best ever performance from an Aussie team? Get a grip honestly. I never said that. I assume you have me confused with another poster. All I'm saying is the performance suggested we could still make it out of the group. I'm trying to counter the constant negativity of the likes of bluebird and WSF, who for varying reasons are throwing a wet blanket over anyone who says anything positive about the game or Sydney's performance.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xFeel sorry for Calver.Talk about thrown in the deep end.I can see why Brillante didnt make it in Italy.He just has to many mistakes in him.All in all FC would have to be happy with that.But I cant see them getting through to the next round.That defence with the keeper looks shakier than the shaky isle across the ditch.Arnold made a massive miscalculation with his backline formthe AFC or a certain person who pulled the pin at the last moment has stuffed things up and killed off any chance FC had. Disagree. On the basis on that game I feel we have every chance of making the next round. Calver improved tonight as the game went on. Hopefully he'll improve with game time. You got a draw, conceding 2 goals a game will not get you through to the next round. Did you watch the match WSF? Doesn't matter if it was an entertaining game, you drew against not even one of the top sides from China in their pre season and y ou are saying it is the best ever performance from an Aussie team? Get a grip honestly. I never said that. I assume you have me confused with another poster. All I'm saying is the performance suggested we could still make it out of the group. I'm trying to counter the constant negativity of the likes of bluebird and WSF, who for varying reasons are throwing a wet blanket over anyone who says anything positive about the game or Sydney's performance. If Sydney continue to concede 2 goals a game they will not make it out the group stage, just the truth no negativity at all.
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Sydney FC played really well, Adrian and Ninko were excellent.
On the other end Freddy Guarin showing why he has played for Inter Milan and Porto, such a classy player with an excellent first touch to boot.
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You actually have to win games.Ask Roar.If you concede 2 goals a game you lose most games.
Calver only improved because Shanghai S ran out of legs.Next time you play you will be players short and in the thick of multiple games in quick succession.
I would say,Shanghia and SFC will miss out.
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In the past we have gotten a lot of points against China and half hearted Japanese teams. These days its much harder and we are forced to try and win more points against korean teams
I think they need around 9 points to advance which means at least one win away from home
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+xIn the past we have gotten a lot of points against China and half hearted Japanese teams. These days its much harder and we are forced to try and win more points against korean teams I think they need around 9 points to advance which means at least one win away from home The good thing for Sydney is this seems a pretty even group, teams should be constantly taking points off eachother. But if they fail to beat Kashima at home they are almost definitely out.
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+x+xIn the past we have gotten a lot of points against China and half hearted Japanese teams. These days its much harder and we are forced to try and win more points against korean teams I think they need around 9 points to advance which means at least one win away from home The good thing for Sydney is this seems a pretty even group, teams should be constantly taking points off eachother. But if they fail to beat Kashima at home they are almost definitely out. Depends on the other results like you said, if there are a few draws they could get lucky but you really have to win your home games to make it through.
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Calver is not of a professional standard
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that was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment.
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+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. agree. End to end - you didn't want to take your eyes off the tv. Bobo has never very mobile but I'll take his size/positioning in the box and his leap for heading as shown by the 1st goal. That 2nd one of ours was quality. Yes there were errors and just as many by them. Calver is out of his depth but how many have quoted regards AL teams to use more locals. Mind you Arnie has thrown him in the deep end (in the club since 2012 with just 28 appearances) but that happened back in the nsl days right. Selection error we shall see I suppose but he's getting a quick lesson last 2games lol...... Overall pretty happy, night and day compared to previous game we recovered.
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+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner
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+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner Did you watch the game?
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+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was.
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+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180
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+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here.
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+x+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here. And how has that panned out for ACL results? Brisbane - didn't make it past the playoff round against the Philippines Melbourne - 3rd and winless Sydney - dead last The impact of the salary cap is more about the distribution of players. 70% of Australia's best were not part of ACL squads
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+x+x+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here. And how has that panned out for ACL results? Brisbane - didn't make it past the playoff round against the Philippines Melbourne - 3rd and winless Sydney - dead last The impact of the salary cap is more about the distribution of players. 70% of Australia's best were not part of ACL squads You cant have both. You either have a shitty domestic comp dominated by 1 or 2 teams with those 1 or 2 teams doing well in Asia against comparative players or you have what we have now.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here. And how has that panned out for ACL results? Brisbane - didn't make it past the playoff round against the Philippines Melbourne - 3rd and winless Sydney - dead last The impact of the salary cap is more about the distribution of players. 70% of Australia's best were not part of ACL squads You cant have both. You either have a shitty domestic comp dominated by 1 or 2 teams with those 1 or 2 teams doing well in Asia against comparative players or you have what we have now. 1 or 2 teams? Really? So the Australian talent pool is 36 players Give me a break We already have a shitty domestic comp and the ACL is a constant reminder Australia is a sports mad country with large sport investment and programs. A few results will go our way purely based on Athletical ability and ability to grind out results in a low scoring game but for the most we will continually be outperformed by nations that don't fear a Scotland type scenario even though they don't have a 3+1 rule and we do
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here. And how has that panned out for ACL results? Brisbane - didn't make it past the playoff round against the Philippines Melbourne - 3rd and winless Sydney - dead last The impact of the salary cap is more about the distribution of players. 70% of Australia's best were not part of ACL squads You cant have both. You either have a shitty domestic comp dominated by 1 or 2 teams with those 1 or 2 teams doing well in Asia against comparative players or you have what we have now. 1 or 2 teams? Really? So the Australian talent pool is 36 players Give me a break We already have a shitty domestic comp and the ACL is a constant reminder Australia is a sports mad country with large sport investment and programs. A few results will go our way purely based on Athletical ability and ability to grind out results in a low scoring game but for the most we will continually be outperformed by nations that don't fear a Scotland type scenario even though they don't have a 3+1 rule and we do Who would bother watching a league that is just like Scotland? You have Celtic who are well supported and funded and then you have everyone else. Rangers are getting their shit together slowly but no one can compete with Celtic. What kind of idiot would want that here just to compete in a tournament that clearly by crowd numbers no one cares about? How do you grow a game when there isn't a level playing field? Australia is sports mad, just not so much for football.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here. And how has that panned out for ACL results? Brisbane - didn't make it past the playoff round against the Philippines Melbourne - 3rd and winless Sydney - dead last The impact of the salary cap is more about the distribution of players. 70% of Australia's best were not part of ACL squads You cant have both. You either have a shitty domestic comp dominated by 1 or 2 teams with those 1 or 2 teams doing well in Asia against comparative players or you have what we have now. 1 or 2 teams? Really? So the Australian talent pool is 36 players Give me a break We already have a shitty domestic comp and the ACL is a constant reminder Australia is a sports mad country with large sport investment and programs. A few results will go our way purely based on Athletical ability and ability to grind out results in a low scoring game but for the most we will continually be outperformed by nations that don't fear a Scotland type scenario even though they don't have a 3+1 rule and we do Who would bother watching a league that is just like Scotland? You have Celtic who are well supported and funded and then you have everyone else. Rangers are getting their shit together slowly but no one can compete with Celtic. What kind of idiot would want that here just to compete in a tournament that clearly by crowd numbers no one cares about? How do you grow a game when there isn't a level playing field? Australia is sports mad, just not so much for football. You don't get it Scotland is like Scotland because it doesn't have a 3+1 rule which means teams can buy the league and the two wealthy provinces have long profited Australia with a 3+1 rule and a broader population distribution / sports investment will never ever ever end up like fucking Scotland
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here. And how has that panned out for ACL results? Brisbane - didn't make it past the playoff round against the Philippines Melbourne - 3rd and winless Sydney - dead last The impact of the salary cap is more about the distribution of players. 70% of Australia's best were not part of ACL squads You cant have both. You either have a shitty domestic comp dominated by 1 or 2 teams with those 1 or 2 teams doing well in Asia against comparative players or you have what we have now. 1 or 2 teams? Really? So the Australian talent pool is 36 players Give me a break We already have a shitty domestic comp and the ACL is a constant reminder Australia is a sports mad country with large sport investment and programs. A few results will go our way purely based on Athletical ability and ability to grind out results in a low scoring game but for the most we will continually be outperformed by nations that don't fear a Scotland type scenario even though they don't have a 3+1 rule and we do Who would bother watching a league that is just like Scotland? You have Celtic who are well supported and funded and then you have everyone else. Rangers are getting their shit together slowly but no one can compete with Celtic. What kind of idiot would want that here just to compete in a tournament that clearly by crowd numbers no one cares about? How do you grow a game when there isn't a level playing field? Australia is sports mad, just not so much for football. You don't get it Scotland is like Scotland because it doesn't have a 3+1 rule which means teams can buy the league and the two wealthy provinces have long profited Australia with a 3+1 rule and a broader population distribution / sports investment will never ever ever end up like fucking Scotland I think I misunderstood what you were saying before, sorry.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here. And how has that panned out for ACL results? Brisbane - didn't make it past the playoff round against the Philippines Melbourne - 3rd and winless Sydney - dead last The impact of the salary cap is more about the distribution of players. 70% of Australia's best were not part of ACL squads You cant have both. You either have a shitty domestic comp dominated by 1 or 2 teams with those 1 or 2 teams doing well in Asia against comparative players or you have what we have now. 1 or 2 teams? Really? So the Australian talent pool is 36 players Give me a break We already have a shitty domestic comp and the ACL is a constant reminder Australia is a sports mad country with large sport investment and programs. A few results will go our way purely based on Athletical ability and ability to grind out results in a low scoring game but for the most we will continually be outperformed by nations that don't fear a Scotland type scenario even though they don't have a 3+1 rule and we do I don't know why people keep saying this, what exactly makes us "sports mad"?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here. And how has that panned out for ACL results? Brisbane - didn't make it past the playoff round against the Philippines Melbourne - 3rd and winless Sydney - dead last The impact of the salary cap is more about the distribution of players. 70% of Australia's best were not part of ACL squads You cant have both. You either have a shitty domestic comp dominated by 1 or 2 teams with those 1 or 2 teams doing well in Asia against comparative players or you have what we have now. 1 or 2 teams? Really? So the Australian talent pool is 36 players Give me a break We already have a shitty domestic comp and the ACL is a constant reminder Australia is a sports mad country with large sport investment and programs. A few results will go our way purely based on Athletical ability and ability to grind out results in a low scoring game but for the most we will continually be outperformed by nations that don't fear a Scotland type scenario even though they don't have a 3+1 rule and we do I don't know why people keep saying this, what exactly makes us "sports mad"? Football is 3rd and there is a $50m TV deal and average attendances that are still amongst the highest in Asia - this has happened 14 years after the game was nothing The Australian government has put up billions of dollars in stadia and infrastructure and also multi millions in hosting events (and not hosting them) There are 2 public holidays in Victoria for sporting events Investment in sport is huge and would be amongst the highest in the world per capita - the only time the per capita argument is valid because it demonstrates proportionate expenditure and interest There was even one Olympics where Australia sent over 400 athletes If your country invests the most in medicine then the citizens will most likely choose a path in medicine and you'll have the most doctors. If military is the object of your country, then your army will be bigger and you'll have a dedicated army. If your country invests in sport then a lot of citizens will become athletes And this isn't just Melbourne or Sydney either There is no danger in 2 teams dominating football, investment dropping and everybody walking away
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here. And how has that panned out for ACL results? Brisbane - didn't make it past the playoff round against the Philippines Melbourne - 3rd and winless Sydney - dead last The impact of the salary cap is more about the distribution of players. 70% of Australia's best were not part of ACL squads You cant have both. You either have a shitty domestic comp dominated by 1 or 2 teams with those 1 or 2 teams doing well in Asia against comparative players or you have what we have now. 1 or 2 teams? Really? So the Australian talent pool is 36 players Give me a break We already have a shitty domestic comp and the ACL is a constant reminder Australia is a sports mad country with large sport investment and programs. A few results will go our way purely based on Athletical ability and ability to grind out results in a low scoring game but for the most we will continually be outperformed by nations that don't fear a Scotland type scenario even though they don't have a 3+1 rule and we do I don't know why people keep saying this, what exactly makes us "sports mad"? There is no danger in 2 teams dominating football, investment dropping and everybody walking away I would argue that it would be hard to grow the game with 2/10 teams dominating.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here. And how has that panned out for ACL results? Brisbane - didn't make it past the playoff round against the Philippines Melbourne - 3rd and winless Sydney - dead last The impact of the salary cap is more about the distribution of players. 70% of Australia's best were not part of ACL squads You cant have both. You either have a shitty domestic comp dominated by 1 or 2 teams with those 1 or 2 teams doing well in Asia against comparative players or you have what we have now. 1 or 2 teams? Really? So the Australian talent pool is 36 players Give me a break We already have a shitty domestic comp and the ACL is a constant reminder Australia is a sports mad country with large sport investment and programs. A few results will go our way purely based on Athletical ability and ability to grind out results in a low scoring game but for the most we will continually be outperformed by nations that don't fear a Scotland type scenario even though they don't have a 3+1 rule and we do I don't know why people keep saying this, what exactly makes us "sports mad"? There is no danger in 2 teams dominating football, investment dropping and everybody walking away I would argue that it would be hard to grow the game with 2/10 teams dominating. yeah there are arguments for and against the salary cap there are other more unambiguous ways to improve the game
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here. And how has that panned out for ACL results? Brisbane - didn't make it past the playoff round against the Philippines Melbourne - 3rd and winless Sydney - dead last The impact of the salary cap is more about the distribution of players. 70% of Australia's best were not part of ACL squads You cant have both. You either have a shitty domestic comp dominated by 1 or 2 teams with those 1 or 2 teams doing well in Asia against comparative players or you have what we have now. 1 or 2 teams? Really? So the Australian talent pool is 36 players Give me a break We already have a shitty domestic comp and the ACL is a constant reminder Australia is a sports mad country with large sport investment and programs. A few results will go our way purely based on Athletical ability and ability to grind out results in a low scoring game but for the most we will continually be outperformed by nations that don't fear a Scotland type scenario even though they don't have a 3+1 rule and we do I don't know why people keep saying this, what exactly makes us "sports mad"? There is no danger in 2 teams dominating football, investment dropping and everybody walking away I would argue that it would be hard to grow the game with 2/10 teams dominating. I would argue that its hard for 2 teams to dominate in the Australian landscape. The 3+1 rule prevents it unless you think there are only 36 good Aussie players The thing I find odd is that there are many people here who think if we ever removed the cap we'll end up like Scotland. But nobody who thinks that if we remove the cap we'll end up like the EPL. Both scenarios have equal probability (ie- zero) If the cap was ever removed there would be 4-5 teams dominating and if each won 3 titles that would take 15 years, and by then the balance of power would have shifted. Some big teams out, some in Competitive sport is not a threat. Yes the winning team enjoys a small amount of uplift, but guess what, somebody is going to win the league each year, as is somebody going to lose it
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here. And how has that panned out for ACL results? Brisbane - didn't make it past the playoff round against the Philippines Melbourne - 3rd and winless Sydney - dead last The impact of the salary cap is more about the distribution of players. 70% of Australia's best were not part of ACL squads You cant have both. You either have a shitty domestic comp dominated by 1 or 2 teams with those 1 or 2 teams doing well in Asia against comparative players or you have what we have now. 1 or 2 teams? Really? So the Australian talent pool is 36 players Give me a break We already have a shitty domestic comp and the ACL is a constant reminder Australia is a sports mad country with large sport investment and programs. A few results will go our way purely based on Athletical ability and ability to grind out results in a low scoring game but for the most we will continually be outperformed by nations that don't fear a Scotland type scenario even though they don't have a 3+1 rule and we do I don't know why people keep saying this, what exactly makes us "sports mad"? There is no danger in 2 teams dominating football, investment dropping and everybody walking away I would argue that it would be hard to grow the game with 2/10 teams dominating. I would argue that its hard for 2 teams to dominate in the Australian landscape. The 3+1 rule prevents it unless you think there are only 36 good Aussie players The thing I find odd is that there are many people here who think if we ever removed the cap we'll end up like Scotland. But nobody who thinks that if we remove the cap we'll end up like the EPL. Both scenarios have equal probability (ie- zero) If the cap was ever removed there would be 4-5 teams dominating and if each won 3 titles that would take 15 years, and by then the balance of power would have shifted. Some big teams out, some in Competitive sport is not a threat. Yes the winning team enjoys a small amount of uplift, but guess what, somebody is going to win the league each year, as is somebody going to lose it Or city could pump the league full of loanees and win 10 straight titles which has an equal probability.....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here. And how has that panned out for ACL results? Brisbane - didn't make it past the playoff round against the Philippines Melbourne - 3rd and winless Sydney - dead last The impact of the salary cap is more about the distribution of players. 70% of Australia's best were not part of ACL squads You cant have both. You either have a shitty domestic comp dominated by 1 or 2 teams with those 1 or 2 teams doing well in Asia against comparative players or you have what we have now. 1 or 2 teams? Really? So the Australian talent pool is 36 players Give me a break We already have a shitty domestic comp and the ACL is a constant reminder Australia is a sports mad country with large sport investment and programs. A few results will go our way purely based on Athletical ability and ability to grind out results in a low scoring game but for the most we will continually be outperformed by nations that don't fear a Scotland type scenario even though they don't have a 3+1 rule and we do I don't know why people keep saying this, what exactly makes us "sports mad"? There is no danger in 2 teams dominating football, investment dropping and everybody walking away I would argue that it would be hard to grow the game with 2/10 teams dominating. I would argue that its hard for 2 teams to dominate in the Australian landscape. The 3+1 rule prevents it unless you think there are only 36 good Aussie players The thing I find odd is that there are many people here who think if we ever removed the cap we'll end up like Scotland. But nobody who thinks that if we remove the cap we'll end up like the EPL. Both scenarios have equal probability (ie- zero) If the cap was ever removed there would be 4-5 teams dominating and if each won 3 titles that would take 15 years, and by then the balance of power would have shifted. Some big teams out, some in Competitive sport is not a threat. Yes the winning team enjoys a small amount of uplift, but guess what, somebody is going to win the league each year, as is somebody going to lose it Or city could pump the league full of loanees and win 10 straight titles which has an equal probability..... That right. That equal probability is zero
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here. And how has that panned out for ACL results? Brisbane - didn't make it past the playoff round against the Philippines Melbourne - 3rd and winless Sydney - dead last The impact of the salary cap is more about the distribution of players. 70% of Australia's best were not part of ACL squads You cant have both. You either have a shitty domestic comp dominated by 1 or 2 teams with those 1 or 2 teams doing well in Asia against comparative players or you have what we have now. 1 or 2 teams? Really? So the Australian talent pool is 36 players Give me a break We already have a shitty domestic comp and the ACL is a constant reminder Australia is a sports mad country with large sport investment and programs. A few results will go our way purely based on Athletical ability and ability to grind out results in a low scoring game but for the most we will continually be outperformed by nations that don't fear a Scotland type scenario even though they don't have a 3+1 rule and we do I don't know why people keep saying this, what exactly makes us "sports mad"? Football is 3rd and there is a $50m TV deal and average attendances that are still amongst the highest in Asia - this has happened 14 years after the game was nothing The Australian government has put up billions of dollars in stadia and infrastructure and also multi millions in hosting events (and not hosting them) There are 2 public holidays in Victoria for sporting events Investment in sport is huge and would be amongst the highest in the world per capita - the only time the per capita argument is valid because it demonstrates proportionate expenditure and interest There was even one Olympics where Australia sent over 400 athletes If your country invests the most in medicine then the citizens will most likely choose a path in medicine and you'll have the most doctors. If military is the object of your country, then your army will be bigger and you'll have a dedicated army. If your country invests in sport then a lot of citizens will become athletes And this isn't just Melbourne or Sydney either There is no danger in 2 teams dominating football, investment dropping and everybody walking away So really a bunch of neat factoids and hearsay, I point you to this article: http://www.traveller.com.au/popularity-of-sport-in-australia-were-not-that-into-it-and-were-not-good-at-it-either-gzfw27And we Australians are certainly not bizarrely better than most other nations in our athletic endeavours. Iceland, a country with a population of 335,000, has already qualified for the FIFA World Cup. New Zealand, a nation of 4.7 million, absolutely dominates the rugby world. Jamaica, with just under 3 million people, produces freakishly talented sprinter after freakishly talented sprinter.
But Australia? We're good at AFL, a sport no one else even plays. We used to be good at tennis, but then everyone else caught up. We have very few great track athletes; very few world-beating footballers. We're just average really – a fact that doesn't fit in very well with the national myth, but it's true. And that's largely because we're actually not that into sport. It smacks to me of just Australian parochialism, similar to when ANZAC day rolls around people like Peter Fitzimmons like to jerk themselves off to the idea that we're the only country on planet Earth that has things like "mateship", or that we're the "land of the fair go" or some bullshit.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here. And how has that panned out for ACL results? Brisbane - didn't make it past the playoff round against the Philippines Melbourne - 3rd and winless Sydney - dead last The impact of the salary cap is more about the distribution of players. 70% of Australia's best were not part of ACL squads You cant have both. You either have a shitty domestic comp dominated by 1 or 2 teams with those 1 or 2 teams doing well in Asia against comparative players or you have what we have now. 1 or 2 teams? Really? So the Australian talent pool is 36 players Give me a break We already have a shitty domestic comp and the ACL is a constant reminder Australia is a sports mad country with large sport investment and programs. A few results will go our way purely based on Athletical ability and ability to grind out results in a low scoring game but for the most we will continually be outperformed by nations that don't fear a Scotland type scenario even though they don't have a 3+1 rule and we do I don't know why people keep saying this, what exactly makes us "sports mad"? Football is 3rd and there is a $50m TV deal and average attendances that are still amongst the highest in Asia - this has happened 14 years after the game was nothing The Australian government has put up billions of dollars in stadia and infrastructure and also multi millions in hosting events (and not hosting them) There are 2 public holidays in Victoria for sporting events Investment in sport is huge and would be amongst the highest in the world per capita - the only time the per capita argument is valid because it demonstrates proportionate expenditure and interest There was even one Olympics where Australia sent over 400 athletes If your country invests the most in medicine then the citizens will most likely choose a path in medicine and you'll have the most doctors. If military is the object of your country, then your army will be bigger and you'll have a dedicated army. If your country invests in sport then a lot of citizens will become athletes And this isn't just Melbourne or Sydney either There is no danger in 2 teams dominating football, investment dropping and everybody walking away So really a bunch of neat factoids and hearsay, I point you to this article: http://www.traveller.com.au/popularity-of-sport-in-australia-were-not-that-into-it-and-were-not-good-at-it-either-gzfw27And we Australians are certainly not bizarrely better than most other nations in our athletic endeavours. Iceland, a country with a population of 335,000, has already qualified for the FIFA World Cup. New Zealand, a nation of 4.7 million, absolutely dominates the rugby world. Jamaica, with just under 3 million people, produces freakishly talented sprinter after freakishly talented sprinter.
But Australia? We're good at AFL, a sport no one else even plays. We used to be good at tennis, but then everyone else caught up. We have very few great track athletes; very few world-beating footballers. We're just average really – a fact that doesn't fit in very well with the national myth, but it's true. And that's largely because we're actually not that into sport. It smacks to me of just Australian parochialism, similar to when ANZAC day rolls around people like Peter Fitzimmons like to jerk themselves off to the idea that we're the only country on planet Earth that has things like "mateship", or that we're the "land of the fair go" or some bullshit. That article wasn't written by an expert. It is a bias and heavily opinionated piece to make a fanciful point, not fact based journalism
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here. And how has that panned out for ACL results? Brisbane - didn't make it past the playoff round against the Philippines Melbourne - 3rd and winless Sydney - dead last The impact of the salary cap is more about the distribution of players. 70% of Australia's best were not part of ACL squads You cant have both. You either have a shitty domestic comp dominated by 1 or 2 teams with those 1 or 2 teams doing well in Asia against comparative players or you have what we have now. 1 or 2 teams? Really? So the Australian talent pool is 36 players Give me a break We already have a shitty domestic comp and the ACL is a constant reminder Australia is a sports mad country with large sport investment and programs. A few results will go our way purely based on Athletical ability and ability to grind out results in a low scoring game but for the most we will continually be outperformed by nations that don't fear a Scotland type scenario even though they don't have a 3+1 rule and we do I don't know why people keep saying this, what exactly makes us "sports mad"? Australian sports mad - only if winners - this thread confirms it lol.....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here. And how has that panned out for ACL results? Brisbane - didn't make it past the playoff round against the Philippines Melbourne - 3rd and winless Sydney - dead last The impact of the salary cap is more about the distribution of players. 70% of Australia's best were not part of ACL squads You cant have both. You either have a shitty domestic comp dominated by 1 or 2 teams with those 1 or 2 teams doing well in Asia against comparative players or you have what we have now. 1 or 2 teams? Really? So the Australian talent pool is 36 players Give me a break We already have a shitty domestic comp and the ACL is a constant reminder Australia is a sports mad country with large sport investment and programs. A few results will go our way purely based on Athletical ability and ability to grind out results in a low scoring game but for the most we will continually be outperformed by nations that don't fear a Scotland type scenario even though they don't have a 3+1 rule and we do I don't know why people keep saying this, what exactly makes us "sports mad"? It's the same people who say Melbourne is the sporting capital of the world coz they have more VFL(and invited guests) teams than anywhere else
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+x+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Because if we can learn one thing from the A League its that throwing lots of money behind one player makes a difference No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 Are you are suggesting that Shanghai Shenua can pay its foreigners circa $10m each per season but cant afford the better quality Chinese players? if anything that says having no cap just inflates the price of a relatively limited pool of talent that clearly isnt worth that much. On that basis i can see why some oppose removing the cap here. Are you saying that our players values are being suppressed by the salary cap and that they should be worth more. You can't have it both ways. That's why you let the market decide.
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+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 I know the point you are trying to make (for the 13,476th time) but that's a COMPLETELY ridiculous assertion. So the best 30 individual players in the Serie A play for Napoli?
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+x+x+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. No salary cap means the best players in the CSL are in the top clubs. You were seeing Chinese players 300 - 330 up against a random mix of Aussie players 1 - 180 I know the point you are trying to make (for the 13,476th time) but that's a COMPLETELY ridiculous assertion. So the best 30 individual players in the Serie A play for Napoli? It wasn't literal, it was approximate The point is they finished 11th so presumably the best players would have been in the top 4 clubs
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+x+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. Good to see SFC able to match it with the 11th placed Chinese cup winner you mean the one with the $10m foreigner? yeah it was. Don't bother. The result doesn't suit bluebird's agenda and I don't think he even watched the game.
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+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. 
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+x+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. if the ref counted as part of the Aussie team
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+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. :laugh::laugh: FMD
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+xthat was the best performance from an Aussie team in the ACL to date.. what a game to watch... it was great entertainment. My favourite performance was roar v fc Tokyo even though the roar lost it was the highest level of club football i had seen on oz soil and a glimpse of what it would be like if j league clubs gave 100 percent in the acl Having said that last night's goals were some of the best team goals oz clubs have produced in the acl
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So basically only South Melbourne can beat a top flight Chinese club?
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That performance from SFC was nowhere near the best by an Aussie team in the ACL.
It was entertaining,but defence was shocking from both teams with space all over the place.
Shanghai spent most of their time long balling to Martins up front.They were not a good side except for star individuals.They were not a fit side.
Sydney are going to have to score three or more goals to win games.
Against Suwon and Kawasaki.....I dont think so.
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Good game, that is more like the quality I've been craving. Good to see Sydney dominating a game against such opposition. Dissapointing we didn't make more of so many chances.
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Must win home game for Sydney next.
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