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So there it is, the only stadium getting a cent will be SFS. That's a fucking shame that the average Sydneysider listens to a radio shockjock that moonlights as a pub toilet rent boy
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aussie pride
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Hopefully the NRL does continue to push the gf relocation to Suncorp. I really don’t understand why SFS needs to be 45k. 25-32k like AAMI Park and Parramatta is all that’s needed for most Socceroos fixtures and even a league grand finals
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Corruption at it's finest. Make Allianz 35-40k, that will bring the cost down. It simply doesn't need to be any bigger than that.
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Parramatta Ski-Jumping facility taking shape
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Save costs at the SFS by building one stand purely for corporate boxes and make the other three sides a gigantic video screen where they can pipe in footage of raucous crowds in various supporter wear. It seems to be all the the Trust wants anyway.
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+xParramatta Ski-Jumping facility taking shape  That's one steep rake. I agree with the above sentimonies. Can't they just replicate the architectural plans for the new SFS?
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Agree with everyone's sentiments too. How good is Parra stadium looking as well.
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aussie scott21
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Gladys Berejiklian crunching the numbers for stadiums rebuild funding The benefit-cost ratio for a knockdown and rebuild of Allianz Stadium is expected to have been dragged up from 0.6 to about one when Premier Gladys Berejiklian announces the project this week, allowing money for the project to be taken from the sale of the Land and Property Information Service. When cabinet first approved the government’s policy of building two stadiums at a cost of more than $2 billion last November, ministers were told the BCR for Allianz was 0.6; potentially up to 0.8 if the value of the asset when it was not being used was counted. For a project to have more value than its cost it must have a BCR of more than one and, under the government’s own rules, the proceeds of asset sales cannot be used for projects unless they have a BCR of one or more. It is understood the strategic business case for the knockdown and rebuild of ANZ Stadium at Sydney Olympic Park is set to downsize its BCR from close to one to as low as 0.6, setting the way for the government to backtrack on that project. But there is internal conjecture that part of the reason for the Sydney Football Stadium project — heavily backed by Sports Minister Stuart Ayres — increasing in value and the other decreasing is the judgment that a rebuilt Allianz Stadium will take major events away from ANZ Stadium. Ms Berejiklian previously promised that the $2.6 billion sale of the Land and Property Information Service would pay for her plans announced in November to rebuild Allianz Stadium for $705 million and ANZ Stadium for $1.25bn. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/gladys-berejiklian-crunching-the-numbers-for-stadiums-rebuild-funding/news-story/4c830abd5b2087047c0a3d28d956c972
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This is messed up. They are gonna approve it so I hope construction gets delayed until after the state election so they can get kicked out of office. We're due for a refresh anyway.
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Pollies probe NSW govt's stadium plan How the NSW government spends its money - particularly the controversial plan for Sydney's stadiums - could be on the hit list of an unlikely political alliance. The two committees, made up of the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party with support from Labor and the crossbench, will investigate capital works projects and the state's finances. The government's polarising $2.7 billion stadiums policy will likely fall into the sights of the capital works committee, marking another hurdle for Premier Gladys Berejiklian's implementation of the project. Meanwhile the second committee on public works has the scope to investigate the controversial WestConnex and light rail projects. The premier brushed off concerns about the committee, saying the parliament already had the power to investigate such projects. https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/39511914/pollies-probe-nsw-govts-stadium-plan/
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Berejiklian delays go-ahead on stadiums rebuild Allianz Stadium at Moore Park, Sydney. Allianz Stadium at Moore Park, Sydney. The NSW government is in disarray over its stadiums strategy, with plans to announce the knockdown and rebuild of Allianz Stadium today delayed so a former Labor premier can be sent out to try to sell its $2.6 billion stadiums policy. A last-ditch plea by former Queensland premier and NRL chairman Peter Beattie to Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Deputy Premier John Barilaro yesterday to carry through their promise to knock down and rebuild ANZ Stadium at Sydney Olympic Park apparently convinced Ms Berejiklian to delay a decision involving Allianz. Senior sources said the matter had been “pulled” from cabinet today. The Premier previously had an announcement on Allianz scheduled in her diary. A decision on ANZ Stadium was expected next month, amid speculation that the government would downsize or delay that project to cope with community heat over the cost of the stadiums projects. Sports Minister Stuart Ayres wants to prioritise a resolution on Allianz Stadium at Moore Park, favoured by the Sydney Cricket Ground Trust. But yesterday Ms Berejiklian and Mr Barilaro were contacted by Mr Beattie to lobby the case for a full ANZ knockdown and rebuild. They told Mr Beattie to make the case for ANZ ahead of any decision, effectively giving him a month to turn around public sentiment on the stadium costs. One source said Mr Beattie was told by Ms Berejiklian that she backed the ANZ project. Mr Barilaro has made it clear his Nationals Party is open to backflipping on ANZ. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/berejiklian-delays-goahead-on-stadiums-rebuild/news-story/20ad0b45440ba1e902aea5da40b5ed38
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NSW stadiums strategy in disarray as parliamentary inquiry gathers support NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian. Picture: AAP. NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian. Picture: AAP. The Berejiklian government is in disarray over its stadiums strategy with plans to announce the knockdown and rebuild of Allianz Stadium tomorrow understood to have been put on hold, and a parliamentary inquiry into the whole stadiums affair expected to win upper house approval. One senior source in the government said this morning that the stadiums issue was not on the agenda at tonight’s Expenditure Review Committee meeting and if Sports Minister Stuart Ayres tried to “walk it in” to Expenditure Review Committee tonight ahead of tomorrow’s cabinet, “we’re not going to cop that shit”. Ms Berejiklian and Sports Minister Stuart Ayres originally planned to bring to Expenditure Review Committee tonight and Cabinet tomorrow a plan to knock down and rebuild Allianz Stadium for between $700- $800 million. Senior sources said the matter would now not be brought forward to cabinet tomorrow. A decision on the future of the knockdown and rebuild of ANZ Stadium at Sydney Olympic Park — put at $1.25 billion — was expected to be decided on in a month’s time, amid widespread speculation that the government would look to downsize or delay that project to cope with community heat over a $2.5 billion stadiums spend. Mr Ayres had pushed a resolution on Allianz Stadium at Moore Park first. But yesterday, Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Deputy Premier John Barilaro were telephoned by NRL chairman Peter Beattie to lobby the case for a full ANZ knockdown and rebuild. They both told Mr Beattie to go out and make the case for ANZ ahead of any decision. One source said Mr Beattie was told by Ms Berejiklian that she backed the ANZ project. Mr Barilaro has made it clear the Nationals are open to backflipping on ANZ. Sources have told The Australian the delay is because the premier is still yet to make her mind up on her final stadiums position, having announced she would build both stadiums last November and told 2GB last Friday that rebuilding Allianz was a “no-brainer”. This afternoon, the Shooters Party is expected to announce it will move in the upper house to open a public works committee and public accountability committee to look into the stadiums affair. The Shooters expect to win the support of Christian Democrat Fred Nile and the Opposition, allowing the inquiry to occur. One source said it would be “handy” if Mr Beattie, a former Labor premier, took the fight up to Opposition Leader Luke Foley on the stadiums issue. It is understood Ms Berejiklian is now likely to divert from Mr Ayres’ plan and bring both stadium business cases to cabinet in a month’s time. The announcement of the Allianz Stadium rebuild is set to be delayed. Picture: AAP. The announcement of the Allianz Stadium rebuild is set to be delayed. Picture: AAP. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/nsw-stadiums-strategy-in-disarray-as-parliamentary-inquiry-gathers-support/news-story/7f2c00630b62bc15a4a2c6cb0c12f375
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What an absolute Clusterfuck. There just isn’t support in the electorate for the Allianz rebuild but they are just determined to go ahead with it.
NRL were pretty shrewd to hire Peter Beattie - we can kiss the NRL grand final goodbye to Brisbane if the ANZ rebuild gets delayed or cancelled.
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ANZ stadium probably doesn't need to be rebuilt until 2025
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NSW Opposition Leader Luke Foley has finally clarified his stance on Sydney's major sporting stadiums, saying Labor would not knock down and rebuild either the Sydney Football Stadium or the Sydney Olympic Stadium.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-15/nsw-labor-would-not-choose-to-demolish-sydney-stadiums/9553164
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Stadiums agreement still unseen by NSW cabinet NSW government MP Matthew Mason-Cox threatened to cross the floor over the stadiums issue. Picture: John FotiadisThe memorandum of understanding signed by NSW Sports Minister Stuart Ayres with the NRL, which ties the $1.25 billion proposed knockdown and rebuild of ANZ Stadium with keeping grand finals in Sydney for 25 years, never made it to cabinet. Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter Beattie tweeted this week that: “NRL has signed an MOU with the NSW Govt for the construction of 3 new stadiums at Parramatta, Moore Park & Sydney OIympic Park. In return the NRL guarantees an Origin match & Grand Final in Sydney for the next 25 years.’’ But The Australian understands state cabinet has not seen the document. Premier Gladys Berejiklian’s office refused to release the document last night because of confidential commercial matters. The MOU was signed on the day Ms Berejiklian announced she would spend more than $2bn to build two stadiums: November 24, the day after cabinet decided to build the stadiums. The revelation will add more intrigue to the release of documents to the upper house in three weeks after a Labor motion successfully passed yesterday forcing the government to hand over its stadium secrets. Ms Berejiklian chastised her ministers yesterday for talking to journalists on the matter, saying that in doing so the ministers were “undermining me” and “undermining the government”. She said she knew which ministers were talking to journalists. The government had been set yesterday to debate the proposed $700 million-$800m knockdown and rebuild of Allianz Stadium in Sydney’s east, but the Premier pulled the cabinet item after lobbying from Mr Beattie. The government was yesterday forced to agree to have all documents related to the stadiums released to the upper house, after government MP Matthew Mason-Cox threatened to cross the floor. The government now has 21 days to produce the documents. Mr Mason-Cox has previously publicly expressed concern about the project. Opposition Leader Luke Foley clarified his position yesterday, saying he would consider “modest refurbishments” of ANZ and Allianz but no knockdown and rebuild.
Stadiums agreement still unseen by NSW cabinet
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Football Federation Australia chief executive David Gallop says the governing body is "unashamedly" set to reward those state governments prepared to offer big money to host Socceroos fixtures, saying New South Wales is far ahead of the rest of the nation. The FFA announced on Wednesday it will host five Socceroos matches and six Matildas matches in the next five years in Sydney after striking a deal with the NSW government.
More Socceroos games for Sydney in FFA deal with NSW government
Good thing FFA was tactical in all this.......oh wait.
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Burztur
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What a moron.
He's gotta go for the good of the game.
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More games in Sydney, less chance of Brisbane getting a game... Over to you Waz
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aussie scott21
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That was in 2016 but it shows his short term thinking and vi$ion for the game. He just assumes everything will go his way.
Instead he could have demanded a rebuild of ANZ so the Socceroos have a kickass home venue for the next 50 years (or until they knock it down again).
But no, he stands there like a goose when they say SFS first and says "we are disappointed""
Having the ANZ design built would increase FFAs longterm revenue instead of a small amount from NSW for a few games. Ayres is a crook and outsmarted Gallop.
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You just need to look at how Beatie played this perfectly. Still a long way to go but the ARLC, while more powerful than the FFA were able to maximise their influence for their interests.
The FFA on the other hand is "always the bridesmaid" as they say.
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![Allianz Stadium at Moore Park.]() Allianz Stadium at Moore Park. Photo: Narelle SpangherThe stadium thing? For me, it was very, very odd. In late November, one of my children, who has no interest in sport, spoke to me with some passion about the sheer profligate ludicrousness of the NSW government’s announced intention of knocking down the Olympic and Sydney Football stadiums and rebuilding them for a price tag of some $2 billion. I broadly agreed, but two things surprised me. First, that my offspring was across so much of the detail of it, when it hadn’t been particularly widely reported, and second the fervour with which the argument was put. A good idea for a column, I thought? I wrote it, releasing a petition at much the same time. Next thing, I turned around and there were 100,000 people – no, 150,000 people . . . no, 200,000 people – who had signed up, brandishing burning torches and pitch-forks, yelling, “We march on the government, tonight!” I had no idea, and clearly the government had no idea, that there would be this level of community anger about the announcement that a people long fed on bread and circuses were about to get two brand new circus tents! It has gone on since, with people of all ages, all socio-economic groups, all backgrounds, and in all parts of NSW, roaring their disapproval. (Last Wednesday, I thought I was about to be victim of a violent road-rage episode, after foolishly not putting my blinker on, only for the tattooed truck-driver to wind his window down and yell, “Mate, on the stadiums, go harder! On ya!”)
Why such widespread vehemence? I am not sure, but have a strong feeling the stadiums issue is more a lightning rod for wider angst, a feeling the government is way too cosy with the Big End of Town, that it has become “a government to developers, by developers, for developers”. The political ramifications are huge, with the Herald noting last Saturday on its front page that the whole thing has the potential to see the Berejiklian government thrown out on its ear in the elections due a year from now. I am reliably informed that within the NSW cabinet, the only ministers who continue to support the move, are the Premier and the Sports Minister. All the others are robustly against. (One of my petition's signatories, who called the Deputy Premier’s office the other day to protest, says she was firmly told, “This is the idea of the Sports Minister. Call him.”) ![NSW Minister for Sport Stuart Ayres speaks to the media.]() NSW Minister for Sport Stuart Ayres speaks to the media. Photo: AAPSo, where to from here for the NSW government? What is the way out of this unforeseen train wreck of a policy? The most sensible thing for the government to do is to stop the nonsense, to gravely announce that, “We have listened to the people, and have changed our policy. Instead of putting that money into re-doing Sydney stadiums that already exist, we are doing the equivalent of 100x $10 million sporting venues around the state, and putting the rest into renovating the existing stadiums, as well as more money into hospitals and schools.” The people would roar with approval, the government would get kudos for being responsive and it would, in all likelihood, romp home at the next election. In the NSW regions, instead of the boiling resentment of the people at seeing their tax dollars poured once more into Sydney, there would be euphoria – basketball courts for Ballina! Tennis courts for Tenterfield! Netball courts for Nowra! If, however, the government resists the logic, persists with the plan, and insists it is going to continue on its path come what may, there is but one navigable path. If – as the Opposition hopes – it persists with the two stadium knock-down and rebuild, you can put the glasses down. They will lose the next election by a mile. The people will be waiting for them with a cricket bat, and won’t miss. But, redo one stadium? It could, possibly, get away with it, if it sells it right. Stop talking about the reason we are spending this amount of money is because we want to redo the female and disabled toilets. Stop insisting that the 30-year-old SFS is a rust-bucket beyond hope of redemption. (It isn’t, and in any case only invites the question of why we would trust the same mob to do another stadium, if it, too, is to fall down in 30 years?) Stop framing the stadiums in pure economic terms making ludicrous claims, as the Premier has, the whole thing can pay for itself in two years. (Really? You have that kind of return, but still need to come to the taxpayer for money? Why aren’t you being knocked over in a rush, by private equity to fund it?) Stop carrying on about how inadequate the likes of the Olympic Stadium is for things like concerts. (Strange then, that Ed Sheeran just broke all attendance records for his concerts last week, with few complaints about acoustics?) ![ANZ stadium in Homebush.]() ANZ stadium in Homebush. Instead, do this. Sell the idea that as the foremost city in the country, Sydney should have one world-class stadium to go with our best-in-world harbour, Harbour Bridge and Opera House. Their only hope is to sell the idea on pride, not demonstrable nonsense. Return to the Mike Baird vision, which would see a unified stadium strategy, with one body, not two, guiding a cohesive stadium strategy for the whole city. Enough with the Venues NSW board and the SCG Trust. Be a demonstrably strong government, stand up to the Big End of town and merge them. Yes, there will be no end of squealing , squawking and feathers flying – and that is just Alan – but, I’ll tell you what, the people will love it! So, which stadium? On this one, I have had no fewer than eight involved stakeholders bending my ear, with the Sydney Football Stadium folk pouring derision on the claims of the Olympic Stadium and Versa Vicky. For what it’s worth, my broad view is that what makes the most sense from the point of view of serving Sydney’s sporting needs is to re-do the SFS. What will give them the most political capital, though, is to do it in the western suburbs, and redo the Olympic Stadium. But, I repeat: the best option of the lot, is to make do with what we have – they’re fine – and put the rest to what is truly needed, local sporting infrastructure, hospitals and schools. Sydney stadium train wreck: where to from here?
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Of course the stadium looks fine if you're just gifted corporate seats on the halfway line for Waratahs games. FFA have been pathetically quiet on this compared to the NRL and Gallop has compromised our position on this by only bleating on about how they are more interested in payments from the state governments rather than caring about the quality of the stadiums. They should be standing alongside Todd Greenberg and threatening to move games away from NSW if Homebush doesn't get bulldozed.
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How shocked was I when Fitzsimons narrowed down all possible options to redeveloping only the SFS. Just shocked.
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NSW: The Backflip State EXCLUSIVE: the govt has abandoned plans to knockdown and rebuild ANZ stadium. It will instead refurbish ANZ to a rectangular stadium. Also, govt expected to proceed with full redevelopment of Allianz stadium. Story to break soon on @dailytelegraph #nswlpol https://twitter.com/annacaldwell/status/979152689002037248?s=21
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Don't be fooled everyone. This is Stuart Ayres attempt to become NSW Premier by courting the SCG Trust with Alan Jones.
All you voters in the NSW electorate of Penrith take note. STUART AYRES IS REBUILDING SYDNEY FOOTBALL STADIUM FOR HIS OWN GAIN NOT YOURS.
HE IS IGNORING THE PEOPLE OF THE WEST. MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND BUT IF HE WAS MY LOCAL MEMBER I'D BOOT HIM OUT.
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+xDon't be fooled everyone. This is Stuart Ayres attempt to become NSW Premier by courting the SCG Trust with Alan Jones. All you voters in the NSW electorate of Penrith take note. STUART AYRES IS REBUILDING SYDNEY FOOTBALL STADIUM FOR HIS OWN GAIN NOT YOURS. HE IS IGNORING THE PEOPLE OF THE WEST. MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND BUT IF HE WAS MY LOCAL MEMBER I'D BOOT HIM OUT. Quite right as well. Homebush is only 19 years old FFS. Allianz is now crumbling.
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Exactly what I predicted. Western Sydney and football + rugby league (the 2 codes supported out west) screwed out of a new stadium.
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+xNSW: The Backflip State EXCLUSIVE: the govt has abandoned plans to knockdown and rebuild ANZ stadium. It will instead refurbish ANZ to a rectangular stadium. Also, govt expected to proceed with full redevelopment of Allianz stadium. Story to break soon on @dailytelegraph #nswlpol https://twitter.com/annacaldwell/status/979152689002037248?s=21 If it was up to me I'd just be re-doing the lower bowl into a rectangle as well in fairness, as well as necessary upgrades to back of house facilities, etc. Bowling the whole shell down didn't add up for me.
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