-----------------------------Ryan-----------------------------
---------Williams------Sainsbury------Susnajr-----------
Leckie----------Irvine----------Luongo--------Gersbach
----------Arzani---------Rogic---------Petratos----------- 

Interesting side.......could rewrite football philosophy or it could bomb....stepping into theunkown

The team of pace
(some decent crosses)
(& forward pressure)

-------------------------(Ryan/Vukovic)------------------------
------------------Jurman------------Sainsbury----------------
Atkinson--------------------------------------------Gersbach
---------------Irvine---------------------Luongo---------------
Arzani------------------Petratos----------------------Behich
-----------------------------Juric-----------------------------------

Bench
Rogic
Mooy
Nabbout
Borrello
Dougall
Susjnar

Luongo moving up into more of an attacking role.

-----------------------------Ryan-----------------------------
---------------Sainsbury------Williams-------------------
----Atkinson---------------------------------Meredith----
-----------------Irvine-----------Dougall-------------------
----Arzani------Rogic--------Luongo------Petratos----

Ange had them playing as twin 10's or 8's so they got in each others way.

France had the same issue with Zidane and Djorkaeff who were both n10's at Juve and Inter.
Jacquet made Zidane his playmaker with freedom to drop deep and start things and Djorkaeff placed further forward closer to Guivarc'h in a more Del Piero type role. 
Neither got in each others way as they had two very different tasks. Mooy and Rogic in midfield up till now have had the same task and end up occupying the same space in a way Lampard and Gerard did.

i forgot about atkinson when thinking about the team.  he should be given a look in because the competition for the spot is thin. risdon ffs?  

My 23 man squad for Russia 2018 FIFA World Cup

Mathew Ryan
Brad Jones
Danny Vukovic

Trent Sainsbury
Matthew Spiranovic
Rhys Williams
Aziz Behich
Mathew Jurman
Milos Degenek
Alex Gersbach

Mile Jedinak
Mark Milligan
Aaron Mooy
Massimo Luongo
Tomas Rogic
Dimitri Petratos
Daniel Arzani
Stefan Mauk
Ajdin Hrustic

Tim Cahill
Tomi Juric
Andrew Nabbout
Mathew Leckie

No Irvine?

have to say i want to see arzani irrespective of whether he is better at this stage simply because he is so entertaining to watch. Would love to see rogic mooy arzani and luongo all taking on players

Thomas Deng was very impressive against WSW at RB, another option? 

He could be.

I think Risdon was  better than expected against Colombia. His weakness is his defending as opposed to his attacking play though.

Bailey Wright was poor at RB against long ball Norway, when I thought their style would've played to his strengths.

The trouble is BVM has no long term interest in Australia.

A coach like Arnold would be more likely to select him to beat Iran for his services.

Tommy has to pushed up to play as SS.

I don't think that's the problem.

The next competitive match is at the World Cup. That means that if Bert van Marwijk is to use the next available match to cap Daniel Arzani, it must be at the World Cup. I'm all for using other competitive matches to cap footballers. But to do that at the World Cup is a stretch. I don't think Arzani's inclusion is justifiable on the grounds of ensuring his commitment to Australia given the circumstances (i.e. that the next competitive match is World Cup group stage match).

BVM's remit is to guide the team to achieve as much as possible at the World Cup. And rightly so.

Imo, this is what justifies Arzani's inclusion in the WC squad. The question is this; are there 20 other Australian outfield footballers who are more useful to BVM in helping the Socceroos to do as well as possible in Russia?

With Bert wanting to have more training over matches i really hope he has the team focus alot on set pieces. Just dont have the players to score off open play. 

Work to the teams strengths.

We have a 35 man squad for a few weeks and a friendly before we need to cut the squad down to 23, i imagine Arzani will be brought along and judged if he is good enough for the 23.

Hope that happens. When do the finalised squads need to be be declared?

[quote]The next competitive match is at the World Cup. That means that if Bert van Marwijk is to use the next available match to cap Daniel Arzani, it must be at the World Cup. I'm all for using other competitive matches to cap footballers. But to do that at the World Cup is a stretch. I don't think Arzani's inclusion is justifiable on the grounds of ensuring his commitment to Australia given the circumstances (i.e. that the next competitive match is World Cup group stage match).[quote]

I could be wrong but I don’t think this is how it works.
I think friendlies count as competitive matches. They contribute towards the FIFA ranking so may be considered competitive by FIFA.

I think it was the 3rd or 4th of June, after the Czech Republic game and before the Hungary friendly is the timeframe.

Friendlies don't count, needs to be a qualifier or a tournament.

CitySam

Do you reckon it's wishful thinking to suppose that Daniel Arzani will probably be part of that next squad and that the reason that he wasn't part of the last squad is that Bert van Marwijk didn't want his progress with Melbourne City disrupted?

The only way Arzani will be a world class player is if his level of quality increased 10 fold by Russia. 

As good as he could potentially get playing in the A-League, I feel he could only learn bad habits finding any sort of rhythm with the calibre of the players around him.

He needs to jump up in standard quickly. I don't know how that would happen? Perhaps he really does need to show his quality @ the World Cup. 

But honestly, can't shoot and nothing much comes of his play generally.

He needs to increase his physicality, speed , stamina/endurance, and definitely needs others around him with same quality to really thrive. 

I think that was the case with multiple players such as; Borello and Maclaren. Ultimately Arzani probably wasn't ready to make the March friendly squad, but an extra couple months of matches and improved fitness and work ethic should see him in the prelim squad at the very least.

also if arzani is seen as a guy with a potential ego problem they might want to wait til the world cup before selecting him so that he is working his but off till ten

i haven't seen him at wsw, but deng was a liability at melbourne. nowhere near atkinson. so one good performance vs taking the spot and holding it down with good performances.  i know who i would want in the squad.  also atkinson can play up the front if need be.

arzani has not had a long run of form.  half a season. it's been remarkable but there would still be doubts.  BVM not putting him in the squad means that arzani has to push harder to be included next time - instead of threatening to join iran.

i have a lot of reservations about wazza at melbourne. but one thing i agree with was the need to bring someone in to reign in the egos and bad attitude that last seasons squad was riddled with.  you can see him riding arzani and trying to sort his attitude out, this is good. the last thing we need is another big hope with an ego bigger than their performances.  it seems to kill players.

attitude aside he reminds me of rogic when he was here with his vision and 1v1 ability
when he played for the NT if anything he looked more lethal because the a league is more physical than international football and euro leagues which stifles technical players somewhat

so if his ego can be held in check he might step up just as much as rogic did. Of course when rogic came into the team 4 years ago our team was much weaker

Would like to see arzani move to a more technical league where he might have less space to really push him to the next level. He looks great here in the a league but what about in holland or japan? 

fmd, this "Arzani going to Iran" thing is so overhyped. All indications are that he wants to play for Australia, but overzealous journos want to generate some controversy so they stir up his Iranian links.

Similarly, all this talk about his "ego" or him being a diver,or him only playing half a season of pro-football are non-sequiters and irrelevant. The only question we and Bert should be asking is whether Arzani can be useful enough to the national team to justify his spot on the plane, and in my opinion the answer is yes. All other considerations are irrelevant.

Regarding Azarni, I feel this is where we get stuck with turning our creative talents into DM's.

He can pass a ball downfield, but no goals, no end product and not direct enough really. Can't play defense really.

For a winger he mucks around with the ball too much, so any forward momentum is lost. Not quick enough either.

What is his position in the NT? What will he do if you pair him up with Rogic ? another player who can pass and create space, but can't shoot and can't play defense. He's a CAM for sure but no where near as good as Rogic, very hard to draw comparisons

we can't use him on the pitch the same time as Rogic, he isn't versatile enough. but wouldn't that be nice