^Bang on the money. Regardless of the playstyle, our players just arent good enough. Lacking in technique, awareness, cutting edge, experience from a young age. Coaching in this country isnt up to scratch and tactically and organisationally we make so many mistakes.

There are plenty of countries at this world cup with a smaller population, smaller talent pool, and less money in their domestic game and we just arent producing proper footballers AND we dont have a proper football landscape compared to those nations.

Instead of talking about our playing style at the world cup or whichever manager is in charge when we inevitably crash out, we need to look at building a proper footballing environment from the ground up, and actually cultivate some decent talent first.
Here is what we need:
> Cheaper registration for kids, no pay-to-play model. Enforce youth academies nationwide.
> More certified coaches with actual licensed badges (take a page from Iceland here)
> Emphasis on technique rather than athleticism from the start of development.
> Incentives for clubs to develop kids into talents that can be exported for monetary reward (transfer fees)
> More professional teams so that there are more spots for young Australian players to play at the highest level domestically

Those would be a great start....relentlessly enforce those for over a decade and we may start seeing some results. Then when we have the cattle we can start bringing through a particular playing style that we can hold for the future.

So many games across the WC have been decided by a brilliant shot, a precisely weighted pass, a timely flick, a piece of individual skill or a perfectly flighted cross.
We don’t have the players who can deliver these moments under pressure. Rogic’s individual effort in the first half came closest.

The wikipedia AFL flogs rolled back my edits football back to soccer. They're literally up all night guarding their precious.

Almost every national team apart from the ones consistantly in the top 15 have ups and downs with a good 10/20 years between great teams. Australia is no exception, but our great generations will be fewer and far between because (european) football isn't our primary national sport.

Keep in mind that the Netherlands didn't even qualify for the world cup this year being beaten by little Iceland who are currently rocking their "Golden Generation".

As someone living in Europe and following the Australian games on european TV I'll just leave this litt nugget said by one of the Norwegian Commentators here:

"Arzani needs to leave for europe ASAP!"

I guess it's extra hard for Australia, because there's no Euros to look forward to in two years to take the edge off. Now it's just 4 barren years for the international team where we toil manfully in Jordan and Kyrgyzstan. I know there's the Asian Cup, but it's just not the same. It comes too soon after this and the intensity (not to mention quality) isn't quite there. Such a downer. 

Yep pretty much 

Asian cup should be played the same time as the Euros 

Well I've had a few whiskeys and my head is spinning a bit. Bitter day but I really enjoy our time. We were better than in 2014. I found we controlled games better although we never took the lead.

I think today was extra tough because we had something to get but we didn't come anywhere near it. 

My god,  2014 was soooo much better. I was full of hope after 2014. No results, but I thought it was a promising start with impressive intent. I really thought we'd improve and wisen up enough to give this tournament a good shake and turn a few heads in the process. I was obviously wrong to have faith. This world cup has been sobering to say the least.  I don't think I've ever been this disillusioned with the Socceroos. It's a hopeless feeling. Very different to how I felt 4 years ago. 

yeah make the asian cup 6 months later at least

I think back then we knew it could only get better and Ange was building something. 

Now we're kind of stuck and a new coach will be in. It's quite unclear what's going to happen. 

We tried our best, the tactical structure held us well to compete but reality hit home in the last game where we had to win and unfortunately with all that huff and puff we lacked the quality to create more but when we created the chances thanks to Rogic we weren’t good enough to take them.

What we need going forward,

We need to find another Arzani or two, technical players make the difference at the highest level and this hurt us throughout the whole campaign and the chances here in Russia.

We have to find a top class striker, very important going forward.

Need to find a partner to Trent at the back and overall we need more depth, hopefully the next generation can bring into the fore to 2022.

If this isn’t a wake call for the FFA to start treating youth development as a serious investment we will struggle to develop another golden generation any time soon, pathways, ID and coaching are the key focuses for the FFA.

We need to support youth and grass roots or else we will never be anything 

it should be free to play football if not really really cheap 

The FFA should be looking at creating more grass roots clubs before it looks at more HAL clubs 

Where are all the Bert lovers now, what a fraud.

I know if it doesn't work out, it's Adam Peacock's fault.

expected goals for todays match were 0.8 to us and 0.3 to peru. Peru did very well with limited opportunities but we of course need to improve up front

im here, we competed with 3rd,12th and 13th in the world, even taking a point. can you imgine if ange had taken us.this after coming 5th in th afc

Just watched the replay. Rogic skinned Peru and we got into the box so much early. What a shame Juric was missing in action. Absolutely spewing.

Those two goals were so cheap. Any team that wanted to progress would have shut the danger out much earlier. 

Ange took 2 points from the confeds cup against 2 top 10 sides. You dont think Ange would have taken a draw here? Cmon lol. The only spew when we look back is realising how ordinary france and denmark were. Peru were the best team in this group..today was probably their worst performance of the 3 games and they still won with relative ease.

Yeah Ange had this team playing great football.We were playing garbage football the last 1 year of his tenure.Unorganised and tactically not switched on.Minnows in Asia made us look second rate.If you cannot see a improvement in the team since Bert took over system,defence well your watching a different team.Upfront was a issue  for both managers.

we also drew with thailand under ange, almost twice. helter skelter is not a way of building structured in a team.
besides ange abandoned the team, the team didnt tell ange to go, he left 6 months before the world cup, what BVM has done in 6 months is remarkable

Totally agree with that the last year of our qualifying was a disorganised defence and clueless.Switching from the back 4 to back 3 from that moment we looked lost.

i still think it was understandable for Ange to go 3 at the back

I don't think Ange woke up one day and said "I want to try 3 at the back and a box midfield for ...reasons"

We had no right back and wingers who couldn't score to save themselves as well as a bunch of midfielders who could score and dominate their opposite number. Leckie's finishing has of course improved recently to an acceptable standard so we have 2 ok finishers in our front diamond under BVM in rogic and leckie. Fingers crossed folami and arzani step up

Its very very difficult for a coach to develop players at senior level. The players need to be developed at youth level. Amazingly BVM really developed risdon

called it! 

Aussies missing the quality up front, couldnt take their chances. 

i had no problem with him utilising 3 at the back, it was his inability to be malleable with his formation that was his down fall

get him a medal. he spotted our major weakness

get him a medal. he spotted our major weakness

its much harder to be malleable with your formation at international level then it is at club level where combinations can form and you have long periods of time with a squad. Most international teams seem to stick with a style and formation for many consecutive matches and don't like to change because combinations don't have as much time to form as they do at club level. Its hard enough to prepare a successful plan A let alone a plan B. Come to think of it I can't think of any world cup winner in recent times that did anything other than perfect a plan A. Italy, spain and Germany were very consistent in their approach right through their tournaments. 

4-3-3 in principle allows some subtle changes (invert the triangle, convert to a diamond) which barca are great at implementing at club level but even those subtle changes I didn't see much of in Germany and spain's performance. They kind of seemed to try and play the same every game.

That seems to be the recipe to get the most at international level. Choose a style, formation and plan. Perfect it over four years and hope it works

the burn lol

The fact is tho we were cruising in our group on top in wc qualifying and there was no real need to go to a back 3 that time early on playing well.Never understand it mind you changing midway through qualifying stage.Weak Asian teams pulled us a part.

I think our fullbacks consistently getting skinned on the counter probably made ange nervous