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+x+xThere has to be a more sinister reason why they are pushing so hard. Are they that stubborn to ruin Aus football? Me thinks that the Lowys are using FFA for tax write-offs and also using the FFA to send money overseas to their 'mates' Release your accounting books Steven so I can be proven wrong! This has to be one of the most libelous and ill informed posts I have ever read on this forum. You're new here then? Welcome.
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bluebird
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Its obvious the FFA have a vote of no confidence in the A League clubs with all the rules they have around salaries, player signings etc... This is the organisation that suspended futsal for 12 months and found money for Cahill in the same budget saying the A League clubs wont act in the best interests of grassroots This is the organisation that is looking to choose 2 clubs from a pool of 15 to top up the commercial side of the game and refuses to have a second division and an all inclusive pathway Empty your wallets here and let us run the game
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+xIf we are suspended,what happens to the HAL players?They are playing in a blacklisted competition. Nothing It's not Blacklisted at all, I don't know where these things come from They can still play Still get paid Still represent their country Might be barred from ACL, but hey that's a bonus on the $$$$
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RBBAnonymous
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+x+xIf we are suspended,what happens to the HAL players?They are playing in a blacklisted competition. Nothing It's not Blacklisted at all, I don't know where these things come from They can still play Still get paid Still represent their countryMight be barred from ACL, but hey that's a bonus on the $$$$ That is incorrect. If we get suspended, we get suspended from playing International football.
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+x+x+xIf we are suspended,what happens to the HAL players?They are playing in a blacklisted competition. Nothing It's not Blacklisted at all, I don't know where these things come from They can still play Still get paid Still represent their countryMight be barred from ACL, but hey that's a bonus on the $$$$ That is incorrect. If we get suspended, we get suspended from playing International football. Kinda, the point is that the HAL itself isn't effected It doesn't effect the League and doesn't disqualify overseas players from their National Teams It doesn't actually disqualify HAL Socceroos either, only in that they won't have fixtures to be selected for.
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Waz
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@ RBB
Correct. The players effectively become unregistered as far as FIFA is concerned so while the suspension is in force players cannot participate in FIFA sanction competitions eg Honda will not be allowed to participate in the Olympics
Most players will stay put as they have no choice or, in most cases, no reason to move as long as they’re getting paid but “sporting sanctions” is a reason to terminate a contract and is covered in FIFA regulations.
I’m not sure if there’s ever been a case like Australia’s to study, where most of the football community wants out of their FA lol ... I guess we’ll be charting new waters so maybe we are unique after all.
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someguyjc
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+x+x+x+xIf we are suspended,what happens to the HAL players?They are playing in a blacklisted competition. Nothing It's not Blacklisted at all, I don't know where these things come from They can still play Still get paid Still represent their countryMight be barred from ACL, but hey that's a bonus on the $$$$ That is incorrect. If we get suspended, we get suspended from playing International football. Kinda, the point is that the HAL itself isn't effectedIt doesn't effect the League and doesn't disqualify overseas players from their National Teams It doesn't actually disqualify HAL Socceroos either, only in that they won't have fixtures to be selected for. I guess their could be a situation in which as a result of FIFA suspension, the APFCA could organise a strike of sorts.
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StiflersMom
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+x+xIf we are suspended,what happens to the HAL players?They are playing in a blacklisted competition. i reckon it might collapse I don't get why Lowy is so Doggett , so much so it's almost like he is funneling money through the FFA and don't want to be found out.
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miron mercedes
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ok ..all hype aside ... facts...Member federations make up 55% of the votes
Clubs A-League- 28% PFA 7% Womans Council 10%...ie all together they make up 45%
So even if the clubs ,PFA and Womans Council all agreed to vote together they still would not have enough to veto or win any vote. They would have to get two member federations to vote with them .(each has 6 votes ) I fail to see how Lowy can maintain that grassroots is disadvantaged here.....firstly member Federations are made up of grass roots and I would think a Womans Council would also be heavily grass roots oriented. Am I missing something here ?
So Steven Lowy....what is your real problem ?
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bluebird
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+x@ RBB Correct. The players effectively become unregistered as far as FIFA is concerned so while the suspension is in force players cannot participate in FIFA sanction competitions eg Honda will not be allowed to participate in the Olympics Most players will stay put as they have no choice or, in most cases, no reason to move as long as they’re getting paid but “sporting sanctions” is a reason to terminate a contract and is covered in FIFA regulations. I’m not sure if there’s ever been a case like Australia’s to study, where most of the football community wants out of their FA lol ... I guess we’ll be charting new waters so maybe we are unique after all. Honda has retired from International football
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There is a suggestion that pro members of the congress ,being in a majority can sack the FFA board if they want.Then it's goodbye Lowy.
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I've gotta say in my entire life I have never uncounted or seen anything like what Steven Lowy is doing.
It seems the entire Football community is behind this, and Lowy says he will fight....
Why and how is !@$%#@!@@
He seems to think he can out smart FIFA using Australian Law but as everyone is pointing out FIFA can suspend us and my guess he has a plan for that as well by taking his case to the international sporting court [whatever its name is].
This is amazing no one wants suspension, the after effects will be fell for years... and he simply stands there and says so what ... this is all down to one man Footballs fate is in the hands of one fools hands...
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+x+x@ RBB Correct. The players effectively become unregistered as far as FIFA is concerned so while the suspension is in force players cannot participate in FIFA sanction competitions eg Honda will not be allowed to participate in the Olympics Most players will stay put as they have no choice or, in most cases, no reason to move as long as they’re getting paid but “sporting sanctions” is a reason to terminate a contract and is covered in FIFA regulations. I’m not sure if there’s ever been a case like Australia’s to study, where most of the football community wants out of their FA lol ... I guess we’ll be charting new waters so maybe we are unique after all. Honda has retired from International football He's retired from the senior NT so no Asian Cup, but he's on the record that he wants a home Olympics to be his last hurrah. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-olympics-2020-honda/olympics-japans-honda-eyeing-tokyo-2020-idukkbn1ko0ai
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+x@ RBB Correct. The players effectively become unregistered as far as FIFA is concerned so while the suspension is in force players cannot participate in FIFA sanction competitions eg Honda will not be allowed to participate in the Olympics Most players will stay put as they have no choice or, in most cases, no reason to move as long as they’re getting paid but “sporting sanctions” is a reason to terminate a contract and is covered in FIFA regulations. I’m not sure if there’s ever been a case like Australia’s to study, where most of the football community wants out of their FA lol ... I guess we’ll be charting new waters so maybe we are unique after all. Seriously? So international players can't even play for their national teams if we were to be suspended?
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Burztur
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1 month to D-Day.
I guess its all going to be dragged down together...
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RBBAnonymous
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+x+x@ RBB Correct. The players effectively become unregistered as far as FIFA is concerned so while the suspension is in force players cannot participate in FIFA sanction competitions eg Honda will not be allowed to participate in the Olympics Most players will stay put as they have no choice or, in most cases, no reason to move as long as they’re getting paid but “sporting sanctions” is a reason to terminate a contract and is covered in FIFA regulations. I’m not sure if there’s ever been a case like Australia’s to study, where most of the football community wants out of their FA lol ... I guess we’ll be charting new waters so maybe we are unique after all. Seriously? So international players can't even play for their national teams if we were to be suspended? Australians playing in the A-league and Australians playing overseas wont be playing International football. I am not sure about International players playing in the A-league ie Kosta Barbarouses for New Zealand Etc.
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+x@ RBB Correct. The players effectively become unregistered as far as FIFA is concerned so while the suspension is in force players cannot participate in FIFA sanction competitions eg Honda will not be allowed to participate in the Olympics Most players will stay put as they have no choice or, in most cases, no reason to move as long as they’re getting paid but “sporting sanctions” is a reason to terminate a contract and is covered in FIFA regulations. I’m not sure if there’s ever been a case like Australia’s to study, where most of the football community wants out of their FA lol ... I guess we’ll be charting new waters so maybe we are unique after all. Sources please You're saying Messi & Ronaldo would have been unable to go to the World Cup if Spain were suspended ? and are the Olympics a FIFA comp ?
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Burztur
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+xThere has to be a more sinister reason why they are pushing so hard. Are they that stubborn to ruin Aus football? Me thinks that the Lowys are using FFA for tax write-offs and also using the FFA to send money overseas to their 'mates' Release your accounting books Steven so I can be proven wrong! There are probably more effective ways of doing this than through the FFA. I think its simply about power/control.
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RBBAnonymous
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+x+x@ RBB Correct. The players effectively become unregistered as far as FIFA is concerned so while the suspension is in force players cannot participate in FIFA sanction competitions eg Honda will not be allowed to participate in the Olympics Most players will stay put as they have no choice or, in most cases, no reason to move as long as they’re getting paid but “sporting sanctions” is a reason to terminate a contract and is covered in FIFA regulations. I’m not sure if there’s ever been a case like Australia’s to study, where most of the football community wants out of their FA lol ... I guess we’ll be charting new waters so maybe we are unique after all. Sources please Source FIFA Statutes Article 14 1. The Congress is responsible for suspending a Member. The Executive Committee may, however, suspend a Member that seriously violates its obligations as a Member with immediate effect. The suspension shall last until the next Congress, unless the Executive Committee has lifted it in the meantime. 2. A suspension shall be confirmed at the next Congress by a three-quarter majority of the Members present and eligible to vote. If it is not confirmed, the suspension is automatically lifted. 3. A suspended Member shall lose its membership rights. Other Members may not entertain sporting contact with a suspended Member. The Disciplinary Committee may impose further sanctions. 4. Members which do not participate in at least two of all FIFA competitions over a period of four consecutive years shall be suspended from voting at the Congress until they have fulfilled their obligations in this respect.
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RBBAnonymous
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+x+x@ RBB Correct. The players effectively become unregistered as far as FIFA is concerned so while the suspension is in force players cannot participate in FIFA sanction competitions eg Honda will not be allowed to participate in the Olympics Most players will stay put as they have no choice or, in most cases, no reason to move as long as they’re getting paid but “sporting sanctions” is a reason to terminate a contract and is covered in FIFA regulations. I’m not sure if there’s ever been a case like Australia’s to study, where most of the football community wants out of their FA lol ... I guess we’ll be charting new waters so maybe we are unique after all. Sources please You're saying Messi & Ronaldo would have been unable to go to the World Cup if Spain were suspended ? and are the Olympics a FIFA comp ? I am not sure which is why I posed the question about Barbarouses.
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Burztur
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+x+x+x@ RBB Correct. The players effectively become unregistered as far as FIFA is concerned so while the suspension is in force players cannot participate in FIFA sanction competitions eg Honda will not be allowed to participate in the Olympics Most players will stay put as they have no choice or, in most cases, no reason to move as long as they’re getting paid but “sporting sanctions” is a reason to terminate a contract and is covered in FIFA regulations. I’m not sure if there’s ever been a case like Australia’s to study, where most of the football community wants out of their FA lol ... I guess we’ll be charting new waters so maybe we are unique after all. Sources please Source FIFA Statutes Article 14 1. The Congress is responsible for suspending a Member. The Executive Committee may, however, suspend a Member that seriously violates its obligations as a Member with immediate effect. The suspension shall last until the next Congress, unless the Executive Committee has lifted it in the meantime. 2. A suspension shall be confirmed at the next Congress by a three-quarter majority of the Members present and eligible to vote. If it is not confirmed, the suspension is automatically lifted. 3. A suspended Member shall lose its membership rights. Other Members may not entertain sporting contact with a suspended Member. The Disciplinary Committee may impose further sanctions. 4. Members which do not participate in at least two of all FIFA competitions over a period of four consecutive years shall be suspended from voting at the Congress until they have fulfilled their obligations in this respect. I think that means FAs can't talk to the suspended FA. Not the players. Member = FAs.
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So I guess out of all of this, the big question is whether we thing the Socceroos can take Karpatalja? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ConIFA_World_Football_Cup
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We'll see if Waz comes back with anything coherent He usually doesn't
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After a few years of every attempt at HAL reform being cockblocked by Gallop and Co in the name of "finding a new operating model for the aleague", FFA comes out now and says their main opposition to the CRWG proposal is an independent HAL. Well fuck me sideways, who'd have thought we were being lied to for years by FFA.
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I have spoken to many football fans around different grounds and all are anti FFA. I have also read many comments on this issue and I am yet to see someone sticking up for the FFA on this issue that is harming football so badly. How can Lowy & Co have the nerve to think they are right and it appears everyone else is wrong. Cannot wait to see the end of this rabble out of the game for good.
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Burztur
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FNSW had some analysis breaking down the FFA and Club proposals late last year. Does anyone have a link to that?
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Poor Honda just walked in on a hot mess haha -PB
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+xFNSW had some analysis breaking down the FFA and Club proposals late last year. Does anyone have a link to that? It was pretty poor in that it compared both views but didn't point out that neither complied with FIFA requirements.
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Burztur
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I just want to compare the % control under the FFA proposal to see what they deem to be acceptable (at least publicly).
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