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+x+x+x+x+x+xS. Korea just beat Japan to win the Asian Games. Something that is rare ? It means Son, who captained them to gold, doesn't have to do two years' military service. This somewhat explains their group stage loss to Malaysia as they rotated their whole squad to ensure everyone got an exemption. Apparently due to not finishing high school Son wouldn't qualify for the Army team in the K-League, if he didn't win it would have totally ruined his career. Crazy. They're not such a bad country, but that shit baffles me. Thought Israel was the only such strange country. Obviously, N.Korea are crazy as. Compulsory military service is more common than you'd think. Found out recently that Brazil has it (although it's apparently very easy to get out of and there's a lottery to see who gets picked). Finland has it too, but that long border with Russia makes it somewhat understandable. You know that Australia had it that way too until December 1972? The famous 2 man ministry axed National Service which operated in the same compulsory vein as Brasil. In your 21st year you had to register. A lottery then took place where birth dates were drawn from a barrel. After that you got mail requiring you to fill out the forms, do a medical and kiss your freedoms goodbye. You were called up by the Government at 20. You got the vote at 21. You couldn't even go down the pub to have a last drink with your mates. You were too young to drink but old enough to die. Shit those were the days...... That isn't factually correct at all. What you are talking about was National Service, both of my grandfathers and 3 of my great grandfathers completed national service and all of them believed it was really beneficial. I'd love to see it reintroduced for those who aren't as a minimum, working, studying or serving an apprenticeship by the time they are 21. If nothing else it teaches discipline. The below explains it a bit: Compulsory military training for the nation's young men was reintroduced in 1951 by the Liberal Government. It was the third such scheme to have existed in Australia since Federation. Eighteen-year-old men were required to partake in the National Service scheme, which meant that they had to undertake 176 days of military training. Those who elected to undertake their training in the army could break up their training requirements into two periods, 98 days in the regular army and 78 days in the Citizen Military Forces (CMF). Those who elected to undertake their training with the RAN or the RAAF had to complete their 176 days in one stretch. The scheme was criticised as being irrelevant to modern defence needs, where skill was becoming more important than numbers, and for being a drain on the regular army's finances and manpower. In 1959 the scheme was abolished. National service was brought back for a fourth time in 1964, and in May 1965 the Liberal government introduced new powers that enabled it to send national servicemen overseas. At that time Australian soldiers were involved with the war in Vietnam, and the Menzies government wished to raise the army's numbers to 40,000 in order to meet overseas commitments. All 20-year-old males had to register with the Department of Labour and National Service, and their names were selected by the "birthday ballot", in which men were randomly selected for national service by their date of birth. Exemptions were given to Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders, the medically unfit, and theology students. Young men were granted exemption on the grounds of conscientious objection only if they could prove their objection to war was based on religious beliefs. A temporary deferment of national service was granted to university students, apprentices, married men, and those who could prove that national service would cause them financial hardship. Those who were selected for national service were required to serve for two years full-time in the regular army, and three years part-time in the reserves. There absolutely nothing in your post that contradicts mine. My post is factually correct. Despite your grandfathers' view, there is/was no universal agreement that it was good thing. There was a massive movement against it and the trickery and connivance of goverments to avoid the will of the people (demonstrated in two plebiscites to introduce conscription in WW1) stands as an indictment forever of Australian "democracy". If you think you need some "discipline" why don't you just rip yourself out of your life and go do two years in green? Maybe six years in the reserve? I can assure you that you won't actually "regret" it, but at least you will have choice. Compulsion is the antithesis of democracy and freedom. People here fucking whine about the freedom to let off pyrotechnics in crowded public places FFS. Voting age was 21. Drinking age was 21. The Liberal party (Gorton I think) allowed servicemen under 21, already serving in Vietnam, a vote in a pathetic smarmy move to answer a very valid criticism. You didn't get a vote until you were actually being shot at! I am old enough to be your grandfather. You have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
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Harry’s first day on the job has finished with a loss to Grimsby town 2-1 in a football league trophy game.
Notts scored first in the twelfth minute then Grimsby scored a 69th min penalty, and the winner in the 89th min winner
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Brad Smith named on MLS team of the week. Happy for the boy. 
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+xBrad Smith named on MLS team of the week. Happy for the boy. Good stuff for Smith. That right sided defender is just afful though.
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+x+xBrad Smith named on MLS team of the week. Happy for the boy. Good stuff for Smith. That right sided defender is just afful though. thats Fanni, much like the CB
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+x+xBrad Smith named on MLS team of the week. Happy for the boy. Good stuff for Smith. That right sided defender is just afful though. My thoughts exactly. Not sure why.
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+x+xBrad Smith named on MLS team of the week. Happy for the boy. Good stuff for Smith. That right sided defender is just afful though. Fanni :hehe:
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xS. Korea just beat Japan to win the Asian Games. Something that is rare ? It means Son, who captained them to gold, doesn't have to do two years' military service. This somewhat explains their group stage loss to Malaysia as they rotated their whole squad to ensure everyone got an exemption. Apparently due to not finishing high school Son wouldn't qualify for the Army team in the K-League, if he didn't win it would have totally ruined his career. Crazy. They're not such a bad country, but that shit baffles me. Thought Israel was the only such strange country. Obviously, N.Korea are crazy as. Compulsory military service is more common than you'd think. Found out recently that Brazil has it (although it's apparently very easy to get out of and there's a lottery to see who gets picked). Finland has it too, but that long border with Russia makes it somewhat understandable. You know that Australia had it that way too until December 1972? The famous 2 man ministry axed National Service which operated in the same compulsory vein as Brasil. In your 21st year you had to register. A lottery then took place where birth dates were drawn from a barrel. After that you got mail requiring you to fill out the forms, do a medical and kiss your freedoms goodbye. You were called up by the Government at 20. You got the vote at 21. You couldn't even go down the pub to have a last drink with your mates. You were too young to drink but old enough to die. Shit those were the days...... That isn't factually correct at all. What you are talking about was National Service, both of my grandfathers and 3 of my great grandfathers completed national service and all of them believed it was really beneficial. I'd love to see it reintroduced for those who aren't as a minimum, working, studying or serving an apprenticeship by the time they are 21. If nothing else it teaches discipline. The below explains it a bit: Compulsory military training for the nation's young men was reintroduced in 1951 by the Liberal Government. It was the third such scheme to have existed in Australia since Federation. Eighteen-year-old men were required to partake in the National Service scheme, which meant that they had to undertake 176 days of military training. Those who elected to undertake their training in the army could break up their training requirements into two periods, 98 days in the regular army and 78 days in the Citizen Military Forces (CMF). Those who elected to undertake their training with the RAN or the RAAF had to complete their 176 days in one stretch. The scheme was criticised as being irrelevant to modern defence needs, where skill was becoming more important than numbers, and for being a drain on the regular army's finances and manpower. In 1959 the scheme was abolished. National service was brought back for a fourth time in 1964, and in May 1965 the Liberal government introduced new powers that enabled it to send national servicemen overseas. At that time Australian soldiers were involved with the war in Vietnam, and the Menzies government wished to raise the army's numbers to 40,000 in order to meet overseas commitments. All 20-year-old males had to register with the Department of Labour and National Service, and their names were selected by the "birthday ballot", in which men were randomly selected for national service by their date of birth. Exemptions were given to Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders, the medically unfit, and theology students. Young men were granted exemption on the grounds of conscientious objection only if they could prove their objection to war was based on religious beliefs. A temporary deferment of national service was granted to university students, apprentices, married men, and those who could prove that national service would cause them financial hardship. Those who were selected for national service were required to serve for two years full-time in the regular army, and three years part-time in the reserves. There absolutely nothing in your post that contradicts mine. My post is factually correct. Despite your grandfathers' view, there is/was no universal agreement that it was good thing. There was a massive movement against it and the trickery and connivance of goverments to avoid the will of the people (demonstrated in two plebiscites to introduce conscription in WW1) stands as an indictment forever of Australian "democracy". If you think you need some "discipline" why don't you just rip yourself out of your life and go do two years in green? Maybe six years in the reserve? I can assure you that you won't actually "regret" it, but at least you will have choice. Compulsion is the antithesis of democracy and freedom. People here fucking whine about the freedom to let off pyrotechnics in crowded public places FFS. Voting age was 21. Drinking age was 21. The Liberal party (Gorton I think) allowed servicemen under 21, already serving in Vietnam, a vote in a pathetic smarmy move to answer a very valid criticism. You didn't get a vote until you were actually being shot at! I am old enough to be your grandfather. You have no fucking idea what you are talking about. National service wasn't conscription in the sense of WW1 or Vietnam though. Just because you done national service didn't mean you were heading off to be shot. Did you actually read my comments above the copy and pasted part before you broke down in tears and started bashing the keyboard? I clearly state it should be reintroduced to target those drifting through life without direction. Anyway this is hardly the thread for this discussion
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I know you can’t judge solely by YouTube clips but you can tell Armenakas is as technically gifted as any current Socceroo. Doesn’t say much about his athleticism, decision making or end product but the raw talent is definitely there.
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Not making the first XI at this stage is no cause for concern, but not making the first XLIII is a bit of a worry.
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+xNot making the first XI at this stage is no cause for concern, but not making the first XLIII is a bit of a worry. Too much of an unknown still perhaps?? Let's face it he's proven nothing yet for Celtic / City / Australia, so if I was a manager I'd tell him he's got to earn it.
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Can somebody explain to me how this works in relation to squad numbers limit for European competition? He would definitely be in the top 43 players at Celtic despite being short on fitness at the moment. Limit on foreign players for Europe?
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+xI know you can’t judge solely by YouTube clips but you can tell Armenakas is as technically gifted as any current Socceroo. Doesn’t say much about his athleticism, decision making or end product but the raw talent is definitely there. From what I remember of him on youtube he had good technique but his athleticism was very disappointing. Some of his turns were like they were in slow motion. That was probably a couple of years ago so hopefully he's improved a lot in that regard.
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+xCan somebody explain to me how this works in relation to squad numbers limit for European competition? He would definitely be in the top 43 players at Celtic despite being short on fitness at the moment. Limit on foreign players for Europe? As far as I know there's no limit on non-europeans, there is only a minimum of 8 'locally trained players' trained in the club's nation for 3 years between 15-21 years of age, 4 of which I think have to be from the club itself. That's for the final 25 man list, not sure about this 43 man squad business.
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+x+xCan somebody explain to me how this works in relation to squad numbers limit for European competition? He would definitely be in the top 43 players at Celtic despite being short on fitness at the moment. Limit on foreign players for Europe? As far as I know there's no limit on non-europeans, there is only a minimum of 8 'locally trained players' trained in the club's nation for 3 years between 15-21 years of age, 4 of which I think have to be from the club itself. That's for the final 25 man list, not sure about this 43 man squad business. So teams get to name an A List and a B List. The A List is the main 25 man squad and the B list is players U21 who have been at the club for 2 years. Arzani obviously doesn't qualify for the B List so I know 43 man squad makes for a juicier headline but it's actually the 25 man squad he hasn't made. Ontop of that because of Celtic's number of homegrown players in their List A squad, or lack of, they could only list a 23 man List A squad which only made it harder for Arzani.
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+xNot making the first XI at this stage is no cause for concern, but not making the first XLIII is a bit of a worry. Hopefully it is genuinely a fitness thing, otherwise it could be a long two years in the Scottish cold.
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Doesn’t this mean Arzani can never be selected for the Europa league all year?
This is the squad that’s being entered in the competition for the season, right?
If so, he probably should’ve never gone to Celtic.
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+x+xNot making the first XI at this stage is no cause for concern, but not making the first XLIII is a bit of a worry. Too much of an unknown still perhaps?? Let's face it he's proven nothing yet for Celtic / City / Australia, so if I was a manager I'd tell him he's got to earn it. Would be more fitness related I would think, just scrimages with the unders until he gets himself up to speed with life in the SPFL
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+xDoesn’t this mean Arzani can never be selected for the Europa league all year?This is the squad that’s being entered in the competition for the season, right?If so, he probably should’ve never gone to Celtic. I reckon there would have to be a rule or exception somewhere whereby you could replace a player through injury. Can't be that black and white.
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What does the * mean next to name in that 43 man list. anyone ? oh oh sorry B list. Kieran Tierney is in list B
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+x+x+xCan somebody explain to me how this works in relation to squad numbers limit for European competition? He would definitely be in the top 43 players at Celtic despite being short on fitness at the moment. Limit on foreign players for Europe? As far as I know there's no limit on non-europeans, there is only a minimum of 8 'locally trained players' trained in the club's nation for 3 years between 15-21 years of age, 4 of which I think have to be from the club itself. That's for the final 25 man list, not sure about this 43 man squad business. So teams get to name an A List and a B List. The A List is the main 25 man squad and the B list is players U21 who have been at the club for 2 years. Arzani obviously doesn't qualify for the B List so I know 43 man squad makes for a juicier headline but it's actually the 25 man squad he hasn't made. Ontop of that because of Celtic's number of homegrown players in their List A squad, or lack of, they could only list a 23 man List A squad which only made it harder for Arzani. Cheers for that. Explains it better and means it's not really surprising (although a little disappointing) he didn't make the squad.
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+xDoesn’t this mean Arzani can never be selected for the Europa league all year?This is the squad that’s being entered in the competition for the season, right?If so, he probably should’ve never gone to Celtic. No. It means he cannot play in the group stage matches. If Celtic make it through to the knockout stage he could be included as one of a maximum of three new players.
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+x+xDoesn’t this mean Arzani can never be selected for the Europa league all year?This is the squad that’s being entered in the competition for the season, right?If so, he probably should’ve never gone to Celtic. I reckon there would have to be a rule or exception somewhere whereby you could replace a player through injury. Can't be that black and white. You can add/remove list A players in January so after the group stage. There is a limit on replacements but Celtic seems to have only named 23/25 in list A so should have more allowance for change in Jan. This is assuming they have 8 locally trained players in list A. If they only have 6 locally trained players their list A will be forced to be 23 players. On Tierney being list B, it is better for players to be list B as they don't take up List A spots. Also list B players can be registered at any point in the season so they could have submitted say 25 players now and if they wanted to use youth players in the last group game they could register them with like a week's notice.
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Has to be a typo. Surely 23 and not 43 for a European squad
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OK just seen all the above posts. No idea this existed for EL
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+xOK just seen all the above posts. No idea this existed for EL SydCro58 insightful as always.
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+xOz Transfer Market@oztransfers Greek Super League side Panathinaikos is reportedly interested in signing Christopher Ikonomidis and Panos Armenakas from Serie A sides Lazio and Udinese, respectively. #AussiesAbroad Massive!!
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lebo_roo
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+x+x+xCan somebody explain to me how this works in relation to squad numbers limit for European competition? He would definitely be in the top 43 players at Celtic despite being short on fitness at the moment. Limit on foreign players for Europe? As far as I know there's no limit on non-europeans, there is only a minimum of 8 'locally trained players' trained in the club's nation for 3 years between 15-21 years of age, 4 of which I think have to be from the club itself. That's for the final 25 man list, not sure about this 43 man squad business. So teams get to name an A List and a B List. The A List is the main 25 man squad and the B list is players U21 who have been at the club for 2 years. Arzani obviously doesn't qualify for the B List so I know 43 man squad makes for a juicier headline but it's actually the 25 man squad he hasn't made. Ontop of that because of Celtic's number of homegrown players in their List A squad, or lack of, they could only list a 23 man List A squad which only made it harder for Arzani. Thanks mate. I probably would agree Arzani isn't in the top 25 players at Celtic TODAY.
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Has Christopher Ikonomidis and Panos Armenakas actually signed? Love if these guys could get some regular game time at a descent club?
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