FFA Congress Review Working Group Thread


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“The following will happen over time;

All existing HAL clubs will receive a larger annual payment and have all IP assigned back to them (less money for FFA)”

Damn right they will. But that’s not an example of “vested interests” that’s an example of fairness.

The HAL clubs should retain 100% of revenues their competition raises minus a small percentage that goes towards the ffa (say 10% which would give the FFA $8m per year).

All the IP should reside with the respective clubs. On what crazy-ass planet shouldn’t it? Each club can then create its own revenue stream from merchandise

The salary cap? Meh, it can go as far as I’m concerned. Besides, that will be a question for the new independent A League and PFA to decide, not a question for the new FFA Board.

Funding for the national teams is a concern but the HAL doesn’t exist to fund the national team. It just doesn’t.

The FFA can be well funded in a new model - $8m from the HAL, $4m from FIFA, $10m (estimated) from player registrations, $1m per game for WC qualifiers, plus sponsorship plus the sale of home games to states. There’s every reason to think they’ll still have a budget of $25m-$30m per year ... that’s more than enough to fund national teams isn’t it?
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Buggalugs 2.0 - 24 Aug 2018 3:18 PM
crimsoncrusoe - 24 Aug 2018 2:32 PM

as previously posted, 10 women are from 3 'groups' + 1 independent

HAL will nominate 3, PFA will nominate 3 and the Feds will nominate 3

HAL will have 28% (+3% Womens Vote)

PFA will have 7% (+3% Womens vote)
2 States (55/9 = 12.2%) if prorata'd, [more if Big States organise higher % and are in the bloc]

Total = 53.2% plus maybe another 1 or 2 % from Women's Feds

from the CRWG report





In a perfect world we would have a board that is independent of vested interests and whose main focus is looking after all of football in Australia.

Unfortunately in the scenario outlined above (which isn't difficult to imagine) we would effectively have lackeys of the following - City Group, Bakries, Martin Lee, Charlsworth, Van der Pol, et al, controlling Australian Football. 

The following will happen over time;
  • All existing HAL clubs will receive a larger annual payment and have all IP assigned back to them (less money for FFA)
  • PFA will be looked after by having the salary cap increase by 25% or more
  • The State Feds that are onside will receive more funding through a rejigged distribution of funds.
  • Funding for the national teams will basically dwindle to 1990's levels.  As a result, the new FFA will decide that the current $14 or so that they receive from reg fees should increase to $280 or more to cover the cost of running the national teams.  I don't think  the HAL club owners could give a flying f#ck about the development of Aussie football.

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crimsoncrusoe - 28 Aug 2018 10:52 AM
Well Bonita has provided an excellent analysis of the CRWG report and FFA's gripes.
Thats pretty current!

And I said that in my post - although on re-reading my post it is a bit ambiguous. The point of my post was I want her to comment on a lot of subjects - not just the WC bid.  .

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Well Bonita has provided an excellent analysis of the CRWG report and FFA's gripes.
Thats pretty current!
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paulbagzFC - 27 Aug 2018 7:25 PM
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miron mercedes - 27 Aug 2018 7:28 PM
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Why ? That bid was corrupt and lots of underhanded things were done ....Lowy was out of his depth in the game of FIFA politics and lost . She was on the inside and saw what was actually happening  .Should she be quiet about that ?
You seem to have as much anger toward her as you think she has for the Lowys....do you know her personally ?

Not talking for Paulc but more for Bonita's benefit. I think she should comment less on that and more on current events as was posted above.

If she continues to just mention the WC bid she sounds like a disgruntled employee and can be easily dismissed. By commenting with authority on a wide range of subjects besetting the game that suggestion is easily dismissed. That does not mean she shouldn't continua to prosecute the WC bid, just that it should not be the pre-dominant focus - more another example of the ineptness and inappropriate behaviour of the FFA
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Nice analysis of the CRWG report is out by Bonita.
How about the wastage of money by FFA.
Read this....

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paulc - 27 Aug 2018 5:57 PM
Burztur - 27 Aug 2018 5:36 PM

Why and where is the evidence the HAL admin will be twice the size of the EPL? More agenda driven comments from Bonita?

She really needs to stop harping on about the lost world cup bid as well.

Why ? That bid was corrupt and lots of underhanded things were done ....Lowy was out of his depth in the game of FIFA politics and lost . She was on the inside and saw what was actually happening  .Should she be quiet about that ?
You seem to have as much anger toward her as you think she has for the Lowys....do you know her personally ?

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Burztur - 27 Aug 2018 5:36 PM
paulc - 27 Aug 2018 5:23 PM

While she does put the knife in towards the end, her analysis is more than fair. Some of the points about the FFA are also of concern (e.g. if the HAL admin is twice the size of the EPL). 

Why and where is the evidence the HAL admin will be twice the size of the EPL? More agenda driven comments from Bonita?

She really needs to stop harping on about the lost world cup bid as well.


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paulc - 27 Aug 2018 5:23 PM
miron mercedes - 27 Aug 2018 2:09 PM

Comments about the bitter Bonita has everything to do with my response. She is dangerous and unemployable with that agenda of hers.

I don't agree that anything is better than Lowy running game. You saw how it was run before. It can be run better but not anything.


you obviously have an agenda of your own ..why would you seize upon a phrase like "anything is better than than Lowy running the game"...?..of course the game was in a worse condition in the last of NSL days ..that's a given...but yes it can be better run....much much better run !!
My point was that it would not take much to be better than Lowy at running football.
The game is stalled at present and needs new ideas and a new direction....
As for Bonita ? I don't know her or what she is about personally ...I assume you do ?...however her comments appear far more believable and structured than Lowys.
I can only go on what she says ....with Lowy I can see what he has done for the game in his 3 year tenure.......absolutely nothing ..



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paulc - 27 Aug 2018 5:23 PM
miron mercedes - 27 Aug 2018 2:09 PM

Comments about the bitter Bonita has everything to do with my response. She is dangerous and unemployable with that agenda of hers.

I don't agree that anything is better than Lowy running game. You saw how it was run before. It can be run better but not anything.


While she does put the knife in towards the end, her analysis is more than fair. Some of the points about the FFA are also of concern (e.g. if the HAL admin is twice the size of the EPL). 
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miron mercedes - 27 Aug 2018 2:09 PM
paulc - 27 Aug 2018 1:58 PM

Not sure what any of that has to do with this thread ?
The whole point of the CRWG was to come up with a better governance model than we currently have .
Lets face it ...almost anything would be better than having the Lowys run our game forever .
In the early days the autocratic style of Frank Lowy was a good way to get the A-league started quickly and in a relatively efficient way .
Now , the game has moved on and needs to take the next step.
Will a more democratic FFA fix all our problems? ....undoubtedly not !
There will still be arguing and discontent... just as there is in any democracy...but at least it will be more representative of the modern games various groups.

Comments about the bitter Bonita has everything to do with my response. She is dangerous and unemployable with that agenda of hers.

I don't agree that anything is better than Lowy running game. You saw how it was run before. It can be run better but not anything.



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LFC. - 27 Aug 2018 3:49 PM
libel - 27 Aug 2018 2:16 PM

lol, now that is a good one libel and could well be the case sadly.

I've been all for the Lowy strangle hold to be cut finally, nothing lasts forever lets face it and what has changed/improved to date since Jnr's been in and worse Gallop ? not much at all and far too much back room games and hide and seek.
Today transparency is needed for starters - nothing wrong with input from sections that never had a say.
The game is being held back now lets see what the future brings.
Nothing ventured nothing gained.

Is "input from sections" your democracy when clubs alone will have the ultimate vote?


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libel - 27 Aug 2018 2:16 PM
miron mercedes - 27 Aug 2018 2:09 PM

Yes, it will be much fairer when everyone can contribute to holding the game back, rather than just a few.

lol, now that is a good one libel and could well be the case sadly.

I've been all for the Lowy strangle hold to be cut finally, nothing lasts forever lets face it and what has changed/improved to date since Jnr's been in and worse Gallop ? not much at all and far too much back room games and hide and seek.
Today transparency is needed for starters - nothing wrong with input from sections that never had a say.
The game is being held back now lets see what the future brings.
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miron mercedes - 27 Aug 2018 2:09 PM
paulc - 27 Aug 2018 1:58 PM

Not sure what any of that has to do with this thread ?
The whole point of the CRWG was to come up with a better governance model than we currently have .
Lets face it ...almost anything would be better than having the Lowys run our game forever .
In the early days the autocratic style of Frank Lowy was a good way to get the A-league started quickly and in a relatively efficient way .
Now , the game has moved on and needs to take the next step.
Will a more democratic FFA fix all our problems? ....undoubtedly not !
There will still be arguing and discontent... just as there is in any democracy...but at least it will be more representative of the modern games various groups.

Yes, it will be much fairer when everyone can contribute to holding the game back, rather than just a few.
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paulc - 27 Aug 2018 1:58 PM
miron mercedes - 27 Aug 2018 1:54 PM

Many think they can fix all the ills, like converting participation into bums on seats until they try to do it themselves and fail. Words are cheap.

Not sure what any of that has to do with this thread ?
The whole point of the CRWG was to come up with a better governance model than we currently have .
Lets face it ...almost anything would be better than having the Lowys run our game forever .
In the early days the autocratic style of Frank Lowy was a good way to get the A-league started quickly and in a relatively efficient way .
Now , the game has moved on and needs to take the next step.
Will a more democratic FFA fix all our problems? ....undoubtedly not !
There will still be arguing and discontent... just as there is in any democracy...but at least it will be more representative of the modern games various groups.

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paulc - 27 Aug 2018 1:34 PM

Maybe she axe grinding a little ..... but everything she says makes sense . She is very persuasive and unlike Lowy, she is quite clear about what she is saying and backs it up with facts and figures. Lowy simply makes emotional assertions with absolutely no evidence to back them up .Having said that ..I would not like to get on her wrong side .:D

Many think they can fix all the ills, like converting participation into bums on seats until they try to do it themselves and fail. Words are cheap.


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paulc - 27 Aug 2018 1:34 PM
There is not one article from Bonita that has shown she is not grinding an axe.

Must be a record for a disgruntled and bitter ex employee and I bet a most difficult person to live with in real life.

Maybe she is axe grinding a little ..... but everything she says makes sense . She is very persuasive and unlike Lowy, she is quite clear about what she is saying and backs it up with facts and figures. Lowy simply makes emotional assertions with absolutely no evidence to back them up .Having said that ..I would not like to get on her wrong side .:D

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NQ look like losing any representation in npl after Townsville handed back their licence and Cairns are expected to follow.
FFA wax lyrical about how they are their to protect grassroots from the evil professional clubs.
Yet if regional areas are neglected like this already,what is their to fear?
NQ youth already are at rock bottom.


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Lol @paulc

All that may be true, and if may not be, but the basis of her articles is pretty good all the same.

This is effective communication, allowing for the odd bit of axe grinding, compare that to Lowy who is effectively using sound-bite communication. He just needs to slip “let’s make Australia great again” and he’s done.
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There is not one article from Bonita that has shown she is not grinding an axe.

Must be a record for a disgruntled and bitter ex employee and I bet a most difficult person to live with in real life.

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Bonita’s latest article on this, pretty good despite a bit of axe-grinding in there:

http://footballtoday.news/features/long-read-a-look-at-the-ffa-boards-objections-to-the-CRWG-report
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crimsoncrusoe - 24 Aug 2018 5:55 PM
Gazprom,I think its drawing a long bow to count women as lackeys to who nominate them.Do you think Bonita if nominated would be any ones lackey?Even if they nominated ex W-League players,why assume everyone thinks and acts like Lowy?More than likely the women as a group would vote together.

Why ?

CRWG assume they will vote with the Organisations that picked them to be there, hence the table in their report

Bonita will more likely be on the actual Board

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Gazprom,I think its drawing a long bow to count women as lackeys to who nominate them.
Do you think Bonita if nominated would be any ones lackey?
Even if they nominated ex W-League players,why assume everyone thinks and acts like Lowy?
More than likley the women as a group would vote together.
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paulbagzFC - 24 Aug 2018 2:06 PM
As TPOS had said on social media, aren't they already irrelevant lol?

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Yeah, considering the fact that 3 out of 4 states federations do not have an a-league club. rejecting the CRWG will make those rebel state federations even more irrelevent lol



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crimsoncrusoe - 24 Aug 2018 2:32 PM
@Gazprom,Gyfox55 votes for 9 federations28 votes for 9 HAL clubs7 votes for 1 PFA10 votes for 10 womenX votes for new members down the track.So 9 federations have a majority and can do what they like.PFA. HAL clubs & women is 45 votes.That's 20 members.Still cant pass anything.Assuming federations are getting equal votes( we dont know that). They get 6.111111 each.Why no whole number ,i dont know.Anyway HAL clubs,PFA and 2 states .(12 members)gets 35+ 12.2= 47.2---- cant pass anything.Basicall basing anything on member numbers is meaningless.State federation and territories rule with only 9 members.The vast minority!You can play around with all sorts of combinations,but if no federations flip,noone else can pass anything.

as previously posted, 10 women are from 3 'groups' + 1 independent

HAL will nominate 3, PFA will nominate 3 and the Feds will nominate 3

HAL will have 28% (+3% Womens Vote)

PFA will have 7% (+3% Womens vote)
2 States (55/9 = 12.2%) if prorata'd, [more if Big States organise higher % and are in the bloc]

Total = 53.2% plus maybe another 1 or 2 % from Women's Feds

from the CRWG report






Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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@Gazprom,Gyfox

55 votes for 9 federations
28 votes for 9 HAL clubs
7 votes for 1 PFA
10 votes for 10 women
X votes for new members down the track.

So 9 federations have a majority and can do what they like.
PFA. HAL clubs & women is 45 votes.That's 20 members.Still cant pass anything.

Assuming federations are getting equal votes( we dont know that). They get 6.111111 each.Why no whole number ,i dont know.

Anyway HAL clubs,PFA and 2 states .(12 members)gets 35+ 12.2= 47.2---- cant pass anything.

Basicall basing anything on member numbers is meaningless.State federation and territories rule with only 9 members.The vast minority!
You can play around with all sorts of combinations,but if no federations flip,noone else can pass anything.
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Buggalugs 2.0 - 24 Aug 2018 12:51 PM
saweston - 24 Aug 2018 12:46 PM

CRWG recommends Establishment of the ‘New Leagues Working Group’ [NLWG]:

Perhaps this NLWG would be a hell of a lot more transparent when selecting successful bidders. At the moment it feels like a lottery, no one (probably not even FFA) have seen a list of criteria in which they are basing their decision on. Not to mention the tens of thousands they've probably spent on consultants. Hopefully the CRWG recommendations are voted in, the new board is voted in, and from there things happen a lot quicker!
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