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Nancy - 14 Nov 2018 10:50 PM
So after signing off on ridiculous contracts like we have had for years ..... like a player getting 200k one year then 600k the next, Toddy finally thinks this is wrong. Too late now but Des will certainly be in a panic if something comes of the proposed banning of such back loading.

Absolute joke they decide now is the time... I'd have thought they'd like a couple of Sydney clubs to get themselves into financial difficulty to facilitate 'expansion'...
NRLol is a reactive joke if an organisation...
#dismantlethearlc...
And now to point the bone...
#todd&comustgo....
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Can anyone name a single proactive or positive action the ARLC has instigated since its inception???...
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I'm a big believer in team balance. Just because someone is a great player doesn't mean their contribution to the team is great.

If a "lesser" player like Nappa comes in and gels with the team better and executes plays better then I'd rather have the lesser and not the greater. 
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Biggest thing to come out of this Klemmer fiasco is.... whoever comes on board to replace him, is not to be compared to Klemmer


Same goes if we nail another centre.... can’t be compared to J Moz


I’m excited for CHN.... he brings a heap of difference to what we’ve had the past few seasons in the backrow
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dman2018 - 14 Nov 2018 10:51 PM
hounddog - 14 Nov 2018 10:28 PM

There is some reasonable content from a few of their posters... But you gotta wade thru a tonne of shite to find it... Like most platforms open to the public...

Unlike here of course 😁
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Speaking of content on other platforms open to the public...

https://www.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/9wx11t/todd_carney_this_is_your_unknown_life/

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Thanks BN, now that's the way to post an article. Tony, if you are still reading posts in here, then take a leaf out of Rod's book, and just post the link.
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ODF - 15 Nov 2018 8:31 AM
Thanks BN, now that's the way to post an article. Tony, if you are still reading posts in here, then take a leaf out of Rod's book, and just post the link.

And a great link too...love the bit about winning the Reschs Award

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BloodyNora - 15 Nov 2018 8:08 AM
Speaking of content on other platforms open to the public...

https://www.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/9wx11t/todd_carney_this_is_your_unknown_life/

Gold!...
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Slinky_v1 - 15 Nov 2018 12:31 AM
I'm a big believer in team balance. Just because someone is a great player doesn't mean their contribution to the team is great.

If a "lesser" player like Nappa comes in and gels with the team better and executes plays better then I'd rather have the lesser and not the greater. 

If Klem is disgruntled even as a 'greater' player than RedDog, his influence off the field would have a greater impact than on it.. And not in a positive manner...
I for one am glad its dragging on as I reckon it shows Lynn&co are doing their darndest to reach the best possible outcome for the club and stakeholders...
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dman2018 - 15 Nov 2018 3:28 PM
Slinky_v1 - 15 Nov 2018 12:31 AM

If Klem is disgruntled even as a 'greater' player than RedDog, his influence off the field would have a greater impact than on it.. And not in a positive manner...
I for one am glad its dragging on as I reckon it shows Lynn&co are doing their darndest to reach the best possible outcome for the club and stakeholders...

While he will not admit it, the clock is ticking and Brown needs some results.

Newcastle should be more desperate than we are, usually the less desperate club get the better deal.

IMO we can judge this when we play the Knights in round 9, not only who wins, but which team is higher on the table.

Brown is a smart operator who has made some good moves and Klem is one of them, but if he really wants to go, all we can do is get the best deal/replacement we can.

I hope they drop the interchange to 6,8, whatever, this is a season where we lack size but have plenty of work rate / mobility.

Again I would not make assumptions, as  I will not be surprised if we are sitting higher on the table than Newcastle in round 9 after beating them in the game,  If that happens, Brown will be under pressure, Klem will be coping some of the blame, create high expectations, and league fans expect you to deliver.



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hounddog - 15 Nov 2018 4:27 PM
dman2018 - 15 Nov 2018 3:28 PM

While he will not admit it, the clock is ticking and Brown needs some results.

Newcastle should be more desperate than we are, usually the less desperate club get the better deal.

IMO we can judge this when we play the Knights in round 9, not only who wins, but which team is higher on the table.

Brown is a smart operator who has made some good moves and Klem is one of them, but if he really wants to go, all we can do is get the best deal/replacement we can.

I hope they drop the interchange to 6,8, whatever, this is a season where we lack size but have plenty of work rate / mobility.

Again I would not make assumptions, as  I will not be surprised if we are sitting higher on the table than Newcastle in round 9 after beating them in the game,  If that happens, Brown will be under pressure, Klem will be coping some of the blame, create high expectations, and league fans expect you to deliver.



Right now, I'm not sure if Brown approached Klem or the other way around...
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dman2018 - 15 Nov 2018 4:30 PM
hounddog - 15 Nov 2018 4:27 PM

Right now, I'm not sure if Brown approached Klem or the other way around...

True but Brown knows what his team needs Klem is a good acquisition.

I rarely  believe players suddenly get home sick or have personal issues that make them desperate to leave our club, them suddenly finding they could make a lot more money elsewhere is very easy to believe.

I've got the same personal problem as Klem, the wife would like me to make an extra Million or so.


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hounddog - 15 Nov 2018 4:41 PM
dman2018 - 15 Nov 2018 4:30 PM

True but Brown knows what his team needs Klem is a good acquisition.

I rarely  believe players suddenly get home sick or have personal issues that make them desperate to leave our club, them suddenly finding they could make a lot more money elsewhere is very easy to believe.

I've got the same personal problem as Klem, the wife would like me to make an extra Million or so.


I not so quick to judge motives or caste aspersions (villu the exception).. Especially with limited facts...
The guy gas no relationship with his family... Fact..
His choice or otherwise irrelevant...
If his wife did want to move closer to her family for suport with the three kids and her hubby being away prob 20-30% of the year for work, I think IRS reasonable..
By the same token plenty of mums may have it a lot tougher...
Or it could just be about the money in which case is a big f u....
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dman2018 - 15 Nov 2018 6:45 PM
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I not so quick to judge motives or caste aspersions (villu the exception).. Especially with limited facts...
The guy gas no relationship with his family... Fact..
His choice or otherwise irrelevant...
If his wife did want to move closer to her family for suport with the three kids and her hubby being away prob 20-30% of the year for work, I think IRS reasonable..
By the same token plenty of mums may have it a lot tougher...
Or it could just be about the money in which case is a big f u....

Fuck predictive text....
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Like maybe klems new manager told brown klems in a million a year at dogs, conveniently leaving out the detail re back ended contract... So knights say oh well we'll give him 1.2 knowing they can frontload...
I don't give a coach that has a performance based contract much credit for being a smart operator... 
For all we know it was a gidkey or buderus whos idea it was to sign ponga...


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dman2018 - 15 Nov 2018 6:45 PM
hounddog - 15 Nov 2018 4:41 PM

I not so quick to judge motives or caste aspersions (villu the exception).. Especially with limited facts...
The guy gas no relationship with his family... Fact..
His choice or otherwise irrelevant...
If his wife did want to move closer to her family for suport with the three kids and her hubby being away prob 20-30% of the year for work, I think IRS reasonable..
By the same token plenty of mums may have it a lot tougher...
Or it could just be about the money in which case is a big f u....

There is always an exception to every rule.

if the wife's family is in Newcastle, I would give him the benefit of the doubt on that basis.

His family is an non-issue as nothing there would have changed for years.

Those little Klem's are great entertainment, but look like a handful.

There is a bit of a "cried wolf" situation in the NRL, we had plenty of BS in the past with Mason, SBW,  Barba, Idris etc, plenty of BS floating around anytime a player wants to chase more money elsewhere. 

Just tell me it is the money I'll believe it, I don't want to know your family issues, anything written by Danny Weasel is always BS.

I'm sympathetic towards Klem either way, no hard feelings here, good luck at Newcastle, but we want someone good in return from Newcastle, one way or another.
 
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dman2018 - 15 Nov 2018 6:54 PM
Like maybe klems new manager told brown klems in a million a year at dogs, conveniently leaving out the detail re back ended contract... So knights say oh well we'll give him 1.2 knowing they can frontload...
I don't give a coach that has a performance based contract much credit for being a smart operator... 
For all we know it was a gidkey or buderus whos idea it was to sign ponga...


I recon Brown is a smart operator has made some good signings, 

But my observation is no one from the Brian Smith school of coaching has won a comp,plenty from the Warren Ryan school have. 

And those from the Wayne Bennett school have had even more success.

Like I said, no hard feelings here, if Klem wants to go, then he is better off going.

We need to overhaul our style and  if that style is based on a fast moving hard hitting defensive line, with plenty of madness and intimidation, fast skilful ball movement with guys running hard lines and  well placed kicks with skilful big bodies contesting them, then strap me in for 2019, I will not miss Klem and no one here will.   
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It’s a real shame he wants out..... I always looked upon he & Jackson as future Bulldogs Immortals


Not to be, Jackson will continue to grow as a skipper & as a player.... the respect from his players will grow



Dogs will be tough to beat in 2019, just hope our execution & attack is cleaner/on point and we may just jag a top 8 spot
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SMH reporting the Dogs (as we know) are chasing Napa as Klemmers replacement.....


But, the article also states that the Dogs have identified Jacob Liddle (Tigers Hooker) as the Dogs next hooker from 2020.


Ofahiki Ogden is about to sign a new 2yr extension too



That leaves Lichaa & Nu Brown on the outer.


Great news.....
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Has anyone seen that show on SBS about genius kids? Fecking hell these kids will all be in the nuthouse by the times they are teens. 
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Villi - 15 Nov 2018 9:06 PM
SMH reporting the Dogs (as we know) are chasing Napa as Klemmers replacement.....But, the article also states that the Dogs have identified Jacob Liddle (Tigers Hooker) as the Dogs next hooker from 2020.Ofahiki Ogden is about to sign a new 2yr extension tooThat leaves Lichaa & Nu Brown on the outer.Great news.....

once he goes.... can we refer to him as Flegmmer?

* clears throat and prepares to spit *

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So Prozenko reckons the Napa offer is 2 mil over 3 years. No way this could be correct for him surely. I have never liked Napa and am always wary when the rorters are happy to let someone go. Are we that desperate?  Jacob Liddle has some talent but has already had two shoulder reconstructions so would be another iffy signing.
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Nancy - 16 Nov 2018 10:48 AM
So Prozenko reckons the Napa offer is 2 mil over 3 years. No way this could be correct for him surely. I have never liked Napa and am always wary when the rorters are happy to let someone go. Are we that desperate?  Jacob Liddle has some talent but has already had two shoulder reconstructions so would be another iffy signing.

Napa recently went to training all smiles...what are you so happy about they said...well I just finished that lego I got for my birthday...only took 2 weeks.
What is so good about that they asked
Well...on the box it says 4-5 years he replied.

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If we lose Klem, which is odds on, I'll take Napa any day of the week. Does that mean I'd trade Klem for him? No, I'd rather keep Klem but it ain't happening and I think it'd be a losing game trying to find a Klem clone to replace him.

I know Napa's stats don't look good against... well just about anybody... but it's not the way he's used. I'll say again, without JWH and Napa in their squad on GF day, The Roosters aren't Premiers - that's what he's for. To make everyone look for him.

If you want madness - well he brings it.

I think he'll fit - WITH two props to rotate with him that do the hard yards. His job is to make the yards harder for the other team.
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Nancy - 16 Nov 2018 10:48 AM
So Prozenko reckons the Napa offer is 2 mil over 3 years. No way this could be correct for him surely. I have never liked Napa and am always wary when the rorters are happy to let someone go. Are we that desperate?  Jacob Liddle has some talent but has already had two shoulder reconstructions so would be another iffy signing.

We also know not everything written in the media turns out to be true.

Klem leaving is a practical certainty, but we don't know who is arriving.
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And btw, 2m over 3 years is in the $650ish range. Maybe a touch too high for Napa, but by no means outrageous as you always have to pay overs to shift somebody.

It's in the proper price range for a prop, a rep prop. And as much as I like Klem much better value than trying to match or even get close to what The Knights are prepared to pay for him.
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Zef - 16 Nov 2018 12:18 PM
If we lose Klem, which is odds on, I'll take Napa any day of the week. Does that mean I'd trade Klem for him? No, I'd rather keep Klem but it ain't happening and I think it'd be a losing game trying to find a Klem clone to replace him.

I know Napa's stats don't look good against... well just about anybody... but it's not the way he's used. I'll say again, without JWH and Napa in their squad on GF day, The Roosters aren't Premiers - that's what he's for. To make everyone look for him.

If you want madness - well he brings it.

I think he'll fit - WITH two props to rotate with him that do the hard yards. His job is to make the yards harder for the other team.

If the club signs Napa it means they think he is the best option, I'm going to respect their opinion then judge the actual performances.

I'm 50/50 but the choice is Napa v Klem, it is Napa v (whoever else we can get). 
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The last thing I'll say on him, is he's the only prop that I know of who's turned in game winning on his own performances.

Two of them that stick to mind - the game v Souths a couple of seasons ago where most good judges gave him 10/10.

SOO2 2017. His second stint in both D AND importently A is what won the game for QLD and QLD will tell you that.

Yes, you can say two games out of fifty and you'll be right, but nobody else has done two games quite like that.

It's in him, consistency is what needs to be dragged out of him. But never doubt the talent or intent. When he brings it he BRINGS it.
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Zef - 16 Nov 2018 12:32 PM
The last thing I'll say on him, is he's the only prop that I know of who's turned in game winning on his own performances.

Two of them that stick to mind - the game v Souths a couple of seasons ago where most good judges gave him 10/10.

SOO2 2017. His second stint in both D AND importently A is what won the game for QLD and QLD will tell you that.

Yes, you can say two games out of fifty and you'll be right, but nobody else has done two games quite like that.

It's in him, consistency is what needs to be dragged out of him. But never doubt the talent or intent. When he brings it he BRINGS it.

What is also important is what Slinky alluded to, how a player fits into the style the team wants to play.
To be honest the club has struggled to get full value out of Klem, not Klem's fault, it was mainly down to our squad assembly. 
I know how I want us to play in 2019, and I want the interchange reduced, if all that happens Napa might fit into the team well.
I mainly want to build our game on aggressive defence, Klem could also do that, but at a higher price. 
Both Napa and Klem are prone to the odd brain explosion, that goes with the territory, Napa more than Klem,
So we want energy and aggression in defence, but try not to give away too many dumb penalties, a bit of a balancing act, so far Napa hasn't shown much ability to make good decisions.
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