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+xI'm all for improving the situation in relation to contracts, anything to do with the base contract being capped doesn't cover TPA's. The NRL will soon get into tricky territory if they try to cap a players income. Or players will move to a new code. I suggested a points system earlier, which most don't like. I've previously suggested SC discounts for years of service at the club, including lower grades. You could get this area perfect, but if the quality of the games is crap, the game day experience is bad, the media is poor and the commentary is poor, fans will not watch the games anyway. Some of these areas seem way easier to fix than player contracts. One simple fix for player contracts is to keep increasing the SC, that dilutes the effect of TPAs, or means they also need to increase. What it comes down to is that the type of move Klem did is impossible for the club or NRL to prevent, and barring some miracle will always be impossible to prevent. I've made similar career moves myself, most of us have. Indeed we have HD, but the difference is that when you or I did it, it affected our immediate families only. As per my earlier post, even it happened to Fualalo or Tolman or Montoya, it wouldnt matter too much. But if it happens to your star players, it affects memberships, merchandise, fanfare, sponsors, gate takings, marketing material etc. It also has psychological effects on the rest of the playing group as it could lead to uncertainty amongst players on whether the team, coach or club direction is flawed and others could leave too. I'm not saying star players cant leave. But there is a huge difference between what Cooper Cronk did and what Klemmer did. Huge.
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+x+xI'm all for improving the situation in relation to contracts, anything to do with the base contract being capped doesn't cover TPA's. The NRL will soon get into tricky territory if they try to cap a players income. Or players will move to a new code. I suggested a points system earlier, which most don't like. I've previously suggested SC discounts for years of service at the club, including lower grades. You could get this area perfect, but if the quality of the games is crap, the game day experience is bad, the media is poor and the commentary is poor, fans will not watch the games anyway. Some of these areas seem way easier to fix than player contracts. One simple fix for player contracts is to keep increasing the SC, that dilutes the effect of TPAs, or means they also need to increase. What it comes down to is that the type of move Klem did is impossible for the club or NRL to prevent, and barring some miracle will always be impossible to prevent. I've made similar career moves myself, most of us have. Indeed we have HD, but the difference is that when you or I did it, it affected our immediate families only. As per my earlier post, even it happened to Fualalo or Tolman or Montoya, it wouldnt matter too much. But if it happens to your star players, it affects memberships, merchandise, fanfare, sponsors, gate takings, marketing material etc. It also has psychological effects on the rest of the playing group as it could lead to uncertainty amongst players on whether the team, coach or club direction is flawed and others could leave too. I'm not saying star players cant leave. But there is a huge difference between what Cooper Cronk did and what Klemmer did. Huge. You negate to consider the impact of the other sign of the coin... How do you think Newcastle fans feel about signing Klem, how would you feel if we signed Teddy (from the tigers)?... Unlikely you'd be tearing up for for them...
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+xWhat I am also trying to say is a system that rewards loyalty is easier to implement, than a system which punishes a lack of loyalty, and most fans want to see loyalty rewarded. Yep. I certainly like the loyalty reward theory. It's not like you can stack a team full of players on 50% SC loyalty, and gain an advantage.... If we take Zefs stats for example, it would appear only about 2 or 3 players would make it to 250 or 300 games and receive any decent loyalty benefit. Storm would have had Smith, Slater and Hoffman but the Hoff left Melb twice and the others could have had games from 2007-2009 wiped off for SC cheating
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+x+x+xI'm all for improving the situation in relation to contracts, anything to do with the base contract being capped doesn't cover TPA's. The NRL will soon get into tricky territory if they try to cap a players income. Or players will move to a new code. I suggested a points system earlier, which most don't like. I've previously suggested SC discounts for years of service at the club, including lower grades. You could get this area perfect, but if the quality of the games is crap, the game day experience is bad, the media is poor and the commentary is poor, fans will not watch the games anyway. Some of these areas seem way easier to fix than player contracts. One simple fix for player contracts is to keep increasing the SC, that dilutes the effect of TPAs, or means they also need to increase. What it comes down to is that the type of move Klem did is impossible for the club or NRL to prevent, and barring some miracle will always be impossible to prevent. I've made similar career moves myself, most of us have. Indeed we have HD, but the difference is that when you or I did it, it affected our immediate families only. As per my earlier post, even it happened to Fualalo or Tolman or Montoya, it wouldnt matter too much. But if it happens to your star players, it affects memberships, merchandise, fanfare, sponsors, gate takings, marketing material etc. It also has psychological effects on the rest of the playing group as it could lead to uncertainty amongst players on whether the team, coach or club direction is flawed and others could leave too. I'm not saying star players cant leave. But there is a huge difference between what Cooper Cronk did and what Klemmer did. Huge. You negate to consider the impact of the other sign of the coin... How do you think Newcastle fans feel about signing Klem, how would you feel if we signed Teddy (from the tigers)?... Unlikely you'd be tearing up for for them... And.... Who are these people u keep alluding to that have walked away from the game or club cos Klem has gone elsewhere?.. How many leagues thought 'well, now that $BW is in union I'll get my jacket with the leather elbow patches out if storage'???.. Tigers had best membership figures in years after losing an alleged triumvirate of stars...
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+x+x+xI'm all for improving the situation in relation to contracts, anything to do with the base contract being capped doesn't cover TPA's. The NRL will soon get into tricky territory if they try to cap a players income. Or players will move to a new code. I suggested a points system earlier, which most don't like. I've previously suggested SC discounts for years of service at the club, including lower grades. You could get this area perfect, but if the quality of the games is crap, the game day experience is bad, the media is poor and the commentary is poor, fans will not watch the games anyway. Some of these areas seem way easier to fix than player contracts. One simple fix for player contracts is to keep increasing the SC, that dilutes the effect of TPAs, or means they also need to increase. What it comes down to is that the type of move Klem did is impossible for the club or NRL to prevent, and barring some miracle will always be impossible to prevent. I've made similar career moves myself, most of us have. Indeed we have HD, but the difference is that when you or I did it, it affected our immediate families only. As per my earlier post, even it happened to Fualalo or Tolman or Montoya, it wouldnt matter too much. But if it happens to your star players, it affects memberships, merchandise, fanfare, sponsors, gate takings, marketing material etc. It also has psychological effects on the rest of the playing group as it could lead to uncertainty amongst players on whether the team, coach or club direction is flawed and others could leave too. I'm not saying star players cant leave. But there is a huge difference between what Cooper Cronk did and what Klemmer did. Huge. You negate to consider the impact of the other sign of the coin... How do you think Newcastle fans feel about signing Klem, how would you feel if we signed Teddy (from the tigers)?... Unlikely you'd be tearing up for for them... Like I said, huge difference between a player's contract expiring and one being broken. Anyway. It's done. Up to the NRL to decide if they want to do something about this kind of thing, or if they steer clear. I just hope our club knows what's it doing.
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Something very wrong here with this news. Klem hasn't spoken to Pay at all and only msg 2 players. What does it say about the player's scruples and respect for team mates? Just leave? https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/nrl-david-klemmer-reveals-bulldogs-breakdown-with-dean-pay/42799d67-b937-49cc-8414-5c36f6a2e6ac
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+x+x+x+xI'm all for improving the situation in relation to contracts, anything to do with the base contract being capped doesn't cover TPA's. The NRL will soon get into tricky territory if they try to cap a players income. Or players will move to a new code. I suggested a points system earlier, which most don't like. I've previously suggested SC discounts for years of service at the club, including lower grades. You could get this area perfect, but if the quality of the games is crap, the game day experience is bad, the media is poor and the commentary is poor, fans will not watch the games anyway. Some of these areas seem way easier to fix than player contracts. One simple fix for player contracts is to keep increasing the SC, that dilutes the effect of TPAs, or means they also need to increase. What it comes down to is that the type of move Klem did is impossible for the club or NRL to prevent, and barring some miracle will always be impossible to prevent. I've made similar career moves myself, most of us have. Indeed we have HD, but the difference is that when you or I did it, it affected our immediate families only. As per my earlier post, even it happened to Fualalo or Tolman or Montoya, it wouldnt matter too much. But if it happens to your star players, it affects memberships, merchandise, fanfare, sponsors, gate takings, marketing material etc. It also has psychological effects on the rest of the playing group as it could lead to uncertainty amongst players on whether the team, coach or club direction is flawed and others could leave too. I'm not saying star players cant leave. But there is a huge difference between what Cooper Cronk did and what Klemmer did. Huge. You negate to consider the impact of the other sign of the coin... How do you think Newcastle fans feel about signing Klem, how would you feel if we signed Teddy (from the tigers)?... Unlikely you'd be tearing up for for them... Like I said, huge difference between a player's contract expiring and one being broken. Anyway. It's done. Up to the NRL to decide if they want to do something about this kind of thing, or if they steer clear. I just hope our club knows what's it doing. Well use SJ as the example instead... Twist what u want... Again failed to address the question around who if any fans have left the game according to your assertions...
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+x+x+x+xI'm all for improving the situation in relation to contracts, anything to do with the base contract being capped doesn't cover TPA's. The NRL will soon get into tricky territory if they try to cap a players income. Or players will move to a new code. I suggested a points system earlier, which most don't like. I've previously suggested SC discounts for years of service at the club, including lower grades. You could get this area perfect, but if the quality of the games is crap, the game day experience is bad, the media is poor and the commentary is poor, fans will not watch the games anyway. Some of these areas seem way easier to fix than player contracts. One simple fix for player contracts is to keep increasing the SC, that dilutes the effect of TPAs, or means they also need to increase. What it comes down to is that the type of move Klem did is impossible for the club or NRL to prevent, and barring some miracle will always be impossible to prevent. I've made similar career moves myself, most of us have. Indeed we have HD, but the difference is that when you or I did it, it affected our immediate families only. As per my earlier post, even it happened to Fualalo or Tolman or Montoya, it wouldnt matter too much. But if it happens to your star players, it affects memberships, merchandise, fanfare, sponsors, gate takings, marketing material etc. It also has psychological effects on the rest of the playing group as it could lead to uncertainty amongst players on whether the team, coach or club direction is flawed and others could leave too. I'm not saying star players cant leave. But there is a huge difference between what Cooper Cronk did and what Klemmer did. Huge. You negate to consider the impact of the other sign of the coin... How do you think Newcastle fans feel about signing Klem, how would you feel if we signed Teddy (from the tigers)?... Unlikely you'd be tearing up for for them... Like I said, huge difference between a player's contract expiring and one being broken. Anyway. It's done. Up to the NRL to decide if they want to do something about this kind of thing, or if they steer clear. I just hope our club knows what's it doing. And.. No-ones broken contract.. $BW broke contract, the others have negotiated a release it makes no difference to me or the alleged millions if fans the game will attract via player loyalty... Whether we 'got something' out of it or not I'm glad the leaders of the club aren't talking about it (prob cos its commercial in confidence).. We get enough exposure without Chair or CEO putting their mugs in the paper every opportunity they can cos they're more concerned with their personal brand the club...
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Only missed 2 of the last 6 years Finals and gained NSW and Kangaroo selection with us...a bit rich saying he is going to Knights for finals footy. Seems very mixed up. Hope it motivates our guys to show that we aren't chumps without a future. "The frustration of watching other players enjoy NRL finals football become too much for David Klemmer and provided one of the main reasons he chose to move to Newcastle a lucrative five-year deal.Klemmer played four years of finals with the Bulldogs (2013-16) before the club's fall from grace with an 11th in Des Hasler's last year and a 12th in Dean Pay's first.Speaking on Tuesday in his new Knights kit after posing for photos with coach Nathan Brown and CEO Phil Gardner, he voiced his displeasure in missing out on the NRL finals. "That's something I haven't played for the last two years," the 24-year-old said."That's very, very frustrating for myself who is a competitive person."I love watching rugby league but it's hard to watch those semi-finals. I've got to watch them but jeez it's hard. But we've got a great squad here."Klemmer singled out the players like the Saifiti brothers, Daniel and Jacob, as well as fellow forwards Mitch Barnett and Lachlan Fitzgibbon". I'd easily pick JJ, RFM, Martin, CHN, Tolman even over those he mentioned. We'll see Klem.
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Nothing we post here on Klem will make any difference.
Our target was always to make the 8 this year.
That wil mainly depend on:-
1) Pay's coaching.
2) The attitude and enthusiasm of the team.
3) The ability of young blokes to step up.
4) The quality of our signings.
Klem would have made a difference, perhaps 2-3 wins, I can't deny that.
Equally we are flying under the radar and there is an opportunity for our coach and payers to provide the doubters wrong.
I'm certainly not giving up on 2019, I expect a good year. Not sure we will make the 8, but we should go close.
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Anything Klem says in the media is part of the excuse, take it with a grain of salt, why doesn't matter.
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+xOnly missed 2 of the last 6 years Finals and gained NSW and Kangaroo selection with us...a bit rich saying he is going to Knights for finals footy. Seems very mixed up. Hope it motivates our guys to show that we aren't chumps without a future. "The frustration of watching other players enjoy NRL finals football become too much for David Klemmer and provided one of the main reasons he chose to move to Newcastle a lucrative five-year deal.Klemmer played four years of finals with the Bulldogs (2013-16) before the club's fall from grace with an 11th in Des Hasler's last year and a 12th in Dean Pay's first.Speaking on Tuesday in his new Knights kit after posing for photos with coach Nathan Brown and CEO Phil Gardner, he voiced his displeasure in missing out on the NRL finals. "That's something I haven't played for the last two years," the 24-year-old said."That's very, very frustrating for myself who is a competitive person."I love watching rugby league but it's hard to watch those semi-finals. I've got to watch them but jeez it's hard. But we've got a great squad here."Klemmer singled out the players like the Saifiti brothers, Daniel and Jacob, as well as fellow forwards Mitch Barnett and Lachlan Fitzgibbon". I'd easily pick JJ, RFM, Martin, CHN, Tolman even over those he mentioned. We'll see Klem. Wow... What a statement... See ya buddy... If you were truly competitive you would have given your all to the rebuild...
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+xAnything Klem says in the media is part of the excuse, take it with a grain of salt, why doesn't matter. There is no doubt Klem left for money. I don't believe his crap about playing finals. Knights haven't played finals in about 6 years and there is no guarantee they will play finals again before us. My concern is if Klem didn't feel the direction of the club was premiership material or top 8 material. Or maybe he doesn't feel Pay is the right man for the job. Something tells me Klems loyalty to the club suffered after the club had to cut ties with his mate Woods. If this is the case, this is another black mark against Des and the previous board for their mishandling of the cap.
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RESIGN ADAM PERRY NOW!
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+x+xAnything Klem says in the media is part of the excuse, take it with a grain of salt, why doesn't matter. There is no doubt Klem left for money. I don't believe his crap about playing finals. Knights haven't played finals in about 6 years and there is no guarantee they will play finals again before us. My concern is if Klem didn't feel the direction of the club was premiership material or top 8 material. Or maybe he doesn't feel Pay is the right man for the job. Something tells me Klems loyalty to the club suffered after the club had to cut ties with his mate Woods. If this is the case, this is another black mark against Des and the previous board for their mishandling of the cap. Your 'something tells mes' are like bigTs 'so I was tolds'... Just accept the bloke left for coin and cos his missus told him...
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Who would have thought 12 months ago we’d sign a QLD frontrower Napa, NZ international in CHN, Teenage gun at Fullback etc
Yes we’ve moved on some, but it’s a new dawn at the club.... now over to Pay to get HIS TEAM firing!
I’m glad the Klemmer crap got sorted now, rather than drag on during the season.
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+xWho would have thought 12 months ago we’d sign a QLD frontrower Napa, NZ international in CHN, Teenage gun at Fullback etcYes we’ve moved on some, but it’s a new dawn at the club.... now over to Pay to get HIS TEAM firing!I’m glad the Klemmer crap got sorted now, rather than drag on during the season. If there is a positive in this, it's that we now have 4 GF winners in our team (Hoppa, Foran, Napa, Tolman).
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+x+xWho would have thought 12 months ago we’d sign a QLD frontrower Napa, NZ international in CHN, Teenage gun at Fullback etcYes we’ve moved on some, but it’s a new dawn at the club.... now over to Pay to get HIS TEAM firing!I’m glad the Klemmer crap got sorted now, rather than drag on during the season. If there is a positive in this, it's that we now have 4 GF winners in our team (Hoppa, Foran, Napa, Tolman). And one future immortal in the centres... ;)
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+x+x+xAnything Klem says in the media is part of the excuse, take it with a grain of salt, why doesn't matter. There is no doubt Klem left for money. I don't believe his crap about playing finals. Knights haven't played finals in about 6 years and there is no guarantee they will play finals again before us. My concern is if Klem didn't feel the direction of the club was premiership material or top 8 material. Or maybe he doesn't feel Pay is the right man for the job. Something tells me Klems loyalty to the club suffered after the club had to cut ties with his mate Woods. If this is the case, this is another black mark against Des and the previous board for their mishandling of the cap. Your 'something tells mes' are like bigTs 'so I was tolds'... Just accept the bloke left for coin and cos his missus told him... Nailed it Dman. Any husband who wants to tell the wife the kids can't have nice things because he wants to work for less money is going to be sorry...
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+x+x+xWho would have thought 12 months ago we’d sign a QLD frontrower Napa, NZ international in CHN, Teenage gun at Fullback etcYes we’ve moved on some, but it’s a new dawn at the club.... now over to Pay to get HIS TEAM firing!I’m glad the Klemmer crap got sorted now, rather than drag on during the season. If there is a positive in this, it's that we now have 4 GF winners in our team (Hoppa, Foran, Napa, Tolman). And one future immortal in the centres... ;) Nailed it again ... you are on fire... Seriously with Dutchy in the side, save time and give us the trophy now. :) Let's play on a lake, the great man walks on water...
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+x+x+x+xAnything Klem says in the media is part of the excuse, take it with a grain of salt, why doesn't matter. There is no doubt Klem left for money. I don't believe his crap about playing finals. Knights haven't played finals in about 6 years and there is no guarantee they will play finals again before us. My concern is if Klem didn't feel the direction of the club was premiership material or top 8 material. Or maybe he doesn't feel Pay is the right man for the job. Something tells me Klems loyalty to the club suffered after the club had to cut ties with his mate Woods. If this is the case, this is another black mark against Des and the previous board for their mishandling of the cap. Your 'something tells mes' are like bigTs 'so I was tolds'... Just accept the bloke left for coin and cos his missus told him... Nailed it Dman. Any husband who wants to tell the wife the kids can't have nice things because he wants to work for less money is going to be sorry... Yeah. Sorry kids... . My 500k a year only goes so far..... You cant have your Louis Vuitton school bag this year. But next year....at the Knights....daddy can buy you 2 of them!
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+xOnly missed 2 of the last 6 years Finals and gained NSW and Kangaroo selection with us...a bit rich saying he is going to Knights for finals footy. Seems very mixed up. Hope it motivates our guys to show that we aren't chumps without a future. "The frustration of watching other players enjoy NRL finals football become too much for David Klemmer and provided one of the main reasons he chose to move to Newcastle a lucrative five-year deal.Klemmer played four years of finals with the Bulldogs (2013-16) before the club's fall from grace with an 11th in Des Hasler's last year and a 12th in Dean Pay's first.Speaking on Tuesday in his new Knights kit after posing for photos with coach Nathan Brown and CEO Phil Gardner, he voiced his displeasure in missing out on the NRL finals. "That's something I haven't played for the last two years," the 24-year-old said."That's very, very frustrating for myself who is a competitive person."I love watching rugby league but it's hard to watch those semi-finals. I've got to watch them but jeez it's hard. But we've got a great squad here."Klemmer singled out the players like the Saifiti brothers, Daniel and Jacob, as well as fellow forwards Mitch Barnett and Lachlan Fitzgibbon". I'd easily pick JJ, RFM, Martin, CHN, Tolman even over those he mentioned. We'll see Klem. Klemmer can go gf. Really showed what a turd he is with that statement.Knights have played in how many finals series lately? What a dud. Some of his performances for the dogs lacked ticker. Knights can have the overpaid flea.
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Nancy’s either gone into hiding or Big T’s MIB associates have abducted her following Napa’s signing....
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Marki, I've seen this story surface a few times over the last week or so, looks like your dream (& Steve's nightmare) might be coming true : https://www.zerotackle.com/reports-lichaa-on-the-way-out-of-canterbury-38438/
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Hahaha.... would be great to see him be picked up by Idiot Des at Manly
Dean Pay think JMK is the answer.... blimey
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thats for thinking of me villi ,iv been cruising on a beautiful 5 star ship went 2 new zealand & then went 2 tasmania & now got back yesterday after 14 days now i feel lost without my friends drinking ,swimming , night clubbing this ship was 350 meters long best holiday i ever had , but had no internet out out sea my phone was on aeroplane mode BUT klemmer was a dun deal ages ago & napa i was pretty sure he was coming but eveyone gave it 2 me when i posted it but there is a song with lyrics that go i dont care ,there is also another player thats signed i dont know if its being posted
his name is matt mundine his the mans cousin Anthony mundine 1st cousin what position he plays dont know
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+xHahaha.... would be great to see him be picked up by Idiot Des at ManlyDean Pay think JMK is the answer.... blimey I don't know how much truth is in it. I think I saw it the first time in a Lurker rumour, so the rest of the articles could all be based on that, you know what they're like. The only rumours of Des being interested in any current C'bury players I've noticed is Hoppa & Foran. He seemed to get along well with Tolman, so I would've thought he'd be the main one he'd try to entice over there, but haven't heard so much as a rumour about that. Quite a lot of new players in the top 30 for next year, so at least the repetitive unimaginative desball is getting more & more phased out. All the new players in the squad bring something different so that frustrating to watch predictability is finally going at last. The balance is gradually being improved, which is a credit to those in management & coaching, as they've done more to address certain things in 1 year than their predecessors did over several years.
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+xthats for thinking of me villi ,iv been cruising on a beautiful 5 star ship went 2 new zealand & then went 2 tasmania & now got back yesterday after 14 days now i feel lost without my friends drinking ,swimming , night clubbing this ship was 350 meters long best holiday i ever had , but had no internet out out sea my phone was on aeroplane mode BUT klemmer was a dun deal ages ago & napa i was pretty sure he was coming but eveyone gave it 2 me when i posted it but there is a song with lyrics that go i dont care ,there is also another player thats signed i dont know if its being posted his name is matt mundine his the mans cousin Anthony mundine 1st cousin what position he plays dont know Matt Mundine is a 140kg prop or halfback. It's not 140kg of fitness either, so don't expect to see him in first grade. He'll have to work hard at everything for a year or so at least, starting with fitness, to even be considered for first grade again. The attitude to work ethic etc is what led him astray & made him give up for a while, so if he ever wants to play first grade he will have to get busy & put the effort in. It wont happen overnight, that's for sure.
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+x but there is a song with lyrics that go i dont care Jesus of Suburbia?
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Trump Watch:
Just WTF? I'm sure the little mice that turn the little wheels inside his brain get tired the more he speaks because as weird as he starts he gets tremendously weirder the longer he speaks
"Josh, you go to places where they have denser trees, it's more dense. Where the trees are more flammable they don't have forest fires like this, because they maintain. And it was very interesting, I was watching the firemen and they're raking brush, you know the tumbleweed and brush and all the stuff that's growing underneath. It's on fire and they're raking it, working so hard, and they're raking all this stuff. If that was raked in the beginning, there'd be nothing to catch on fire. It's very interesting to see. A lot of the trees, they took tremendous burn at the bottom, but they didn't catch on fire. The bottom is all burnt but they didn't catch on fire because they sucked the water, because they're all wet."
This reminds me of his comment that he said the President of Finland told him "We're a forest nation and we rake the forests". Something that the President of Finland said - "ahhh that's not what I said" and it resulted in a hilarious meme thread on Twitter of Finns out raking forests, even vacuum cleaning them. BTW - "Forest Nation" Does Trump think the Finns are Wood-Elves, or like the Children of the Forest from GoT?
And for the record, the reason heavily forested Finland doesn't have catastrophic forest fires - because they sit on the edge of the Artic circle and those forests have a floor of snow.
Also hilarious a couple of weeks ago when Trump was visiting a burnt out place in California and referred to it three times as "Pleasure" even commented how irionic the name was seeing how badly it was burnt before he was corrected - it's name is "Paradise".
Dumb f***. I could see how he was so easily confused though - Paradise is the name of his favourite strip club, Pleasure the name of his favourite stripper that works there. Easy to get confused when the little mice get tired.
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