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Not your best work here, Mr Benjamin...
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Hopefully he can find is feet again. He has seemingly lost his way at Rosenborg. He does however have to compete with 3 other left backs. They are Greg Leigh who used to play for Bury, and a couple of youngsters in Carolina and Mashart.
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Pasquali was on the bench but unused
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHe’s a winger. Hardly at fault for losing 7-0 to one of the best teams in the world.Nice result for Lyden What's being a winger got to do with a 7 nil loss? The point is he is a mediocre player in a poor team at a poor level. Rotherham is mid A league level Championship > A-League. There's different levels within the championship though. Rotherham are a far cry from Leeds and Middlesbrough. English players and coaches who have come to oz have all consistently said the same thing and that is that the A league is equivalent to the bottom of the championship, top of league 1. Adam Le Fondre played for a relegation battling club (like Rotherham) last season and got 7 goals in 35 games... They released him a year early from his contract as soon as they could find someone to take him off their hands... He comes here and scores a goal a game. If he'd come here and played for CCM he wouldn't be scoring as many goals. I've no doubt that the championship is a stronger competition than the A-league, but the fact that he went from a struggling team to a good team can explain the difference in his form. Agreed... But is he scoring for Sydney because they have better midfielders than he played with last year, or is he scoring for them because the defenders he plays against aren't as good? The main factor is that he moved from a team that was worse than most teams they played against, and therefore struggled to create good chances for him, to a team that is better than most teams they play against, and therefore create good chances for him. It doesn't say much about the objective quality of each league. If he'd been starting for a top Championship team last season he likely would have scored more goals, despite playing against defenders of the same quality. The defenders might be worse here on average, but using ALF's form as a gauge of that is such a messy measurement so as to be practically useless. When Le Fondre WAS playing at a team that dominated the Championship (2011/12 champions) - in his prime - he managed 12 goals in 32 games... 2 years later when they finished 7th of 24 he got 15 in 38. That's his level, at his best... Approx a goal every three games... That's good. Perfectly respectable. The sign of a competent, solid forward. He's scoring a goal a game here. If it was just him, I'd accept that it's a messy way to judge things... But when you look for patterns... Besert Berisha - 21 goals in 90 league games before Australia. 100 goals in 156 games in Australia. Yet to score in Japan. Bruno Fornaroli - 24 goals in 129 league games before Australia. 47 in 66 in Australia. Bobo - 100 goals in 277 league games before Australia. 42 in 57 in Australia. Yet to score back in Turkey. Ross McCormack - 120 goals in 334 Championship games. 15 in 22 in Australia. Oriol Riera - 1 goal in 13 Championship games. 30 goals in 115 Spanish 2nd div games. 19 in 37 in the A-League. Roy O'Donovan - 7 goals in 34 League 2 games. 2 goals in 25 SPL. 0 goals in 25 Championship games... 26 in 43 in the A-League. There's a pattern that runs through the top A-League forwards over the last few seasons. On the flipside... Adam Taggart - 19 goals in 54 A-League games. 0 in 7 in SPL, couldn't get a game at Championship club. 25 in 43 back in A-League. Jamie MacLaren - 40 goals in 53 A-League games. 0 in 7 in Germany. 9 in 27 in Scotland (1 in his last 12 games) Tomi Juric - 3 in 14 Croatian 1st div games (12 more in 24 2nd div games). 12 in 34 in Australia. 4 in 17 in Holland, 15 in 57 in Switzerland. Good post but you really should evaluate players who came to Australia from these sorts of leagues yet failed to make an impact. There have been plenty. Otherwise your research comes off as a bit selective and agenda driven. Precisely one thing that this method of looking at all players going between leagues seems to reveal is that a standout striker in the a league is much lower quality than a standout midfielder. If the a league is between league 1 and ecl the strikers are probably mid league 1 while mids are probably mid ecl
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+x+x+x+x+x+xSaying player X was OK in the Championship, but dominates in the HAL equates to the HAL being inferior to the championship is wrong. If I adopted that methodology, I could "prove" the HAL is equivalent or better than Belgium and the EPL, and the SPL is better than all three leagues. How? - Mat Ryan left a club in the HAL and dominated Belgium and is now arguably a top 10 keeper in the EPL (making appearance in team of the week). When he left, Ryan wasn't even keeper of the year in the HAL - QED HAL > Belgium. HAL => than EPL
- Danny Vukovic transfers from HAL to Belgium and is tearing it up. QED HAL > Belgium
- Mooy can't cut the mustard in a lower table Scottish team. Comes to the HAL and is a very good player. Moves to Championship and gets his team promoted and has an great season in his first year in the EPL QED SPL >HAL. HAL > Championship HAL => EPL
As I said, I DO NOT believe the SPL and HAL are better than either the Belgium League or the EPL. I am merely showing that this methodology is flawed and meaningless. You miss one crucial element. Ryan, Vukovic and Mooy weren't 'average' A-League players. Ryan was the best keeper in the comp at the time he left. Mooy the best player in the comp at the time he left. Vukovic arguably the best keeper at the time he left... The top player in a competition is not representative of the standard of that competition. If George Blackwood transferred to a top championship side tomorrow and scored 10 in 20 before the end of the season, then there would be an interesting question of the A-League matching the Championship... Just a couple of corrections. Ryan was not keeper of the year when he left, it was Ante Covic - Ryan went to Brugge 13/14, Covic won it the year Mat left (after 12/13), so no he wasn't the "best" Aaron Mooy never won the Johnny Warren medal during his whole HAL career, an award for the best player, so no, he wasn't the "best" either Is the HAL equivalent to lower Championship. Debatable Is the SPL better than the EPL, definitely not. The point of my post and the ridiculous findings I came to, was to show that the methodology you use is simplistic and flawed and can be used to make an equally valid case either way. A 21 yr old keeper of Matty's quality vs a 36 yr old keeper... Medal or not, Ryan was clearly the stand-out option. Covic may have had a better season, but that doesn't make him a better keeper. Mooy failing to win the Johnny Warren medal means little. He was the best player in the competition that season. A panel of well qualified experts (without an agenda) watched all games and chose those awards. I will ignore them and take your word for it. Thanks for clearing that up. Alright - we'll take it your way... He was the 2nd best keeper in the league, behind a keeper who had already enjoyed successful spells overseas... He was not 'an average' A-League keeper, and he certainly wasn't a keeper who was no longer wanted by A-League clubs... The point being made remains - players unwanted at Euro clubs come here and do well, whilst the players who leave here and do well are 'amongst' the very best in the league. How did you bring it to this? The gymnastics you have shown are commendable. But it's not my way, It's actually your way (which is oversimplified and flawed). I see there's no point continuing this Let's just leave it there.
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Lol. Mooy was by far and away the best player in the league in his last season here.
The JWM is a flawed voting system. City were breathtaking at times, with Novillo and Fornaroli taking points off Mooy despite him being key to everything.
Castro was a good player in an average team and had no competition when Perth won, hence him picking up more votes.
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+xHopefully he can find is feet again. He has seemingly lost his way at Rosenborg. He does however have to compete with 3 other left backs. They are Greg Leigh who used to play for Bury, and a couple of youngsters in Carolina and Mashart. It's a bit of a step down in terms of club, but a tougher league. Could be good for him to grind out wins to avoid relegation. Rather than be one of a few clubs to always win the league. Also the same club Stefan Mauk was at last season.
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Not sure if it's already been mentioned but Babalj was been offloaded by his Indian club after 3 sub appearances.
Apparently his attitude is an issue. If only he and Bulut were consummate professionals, imagine how much better we'll be upfront...
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Gersbach started well in Norway, it's a shame things didn't pan out. But he may as well come home if he's just freezing his arse off on the bench over there. But a move to the Eredivisie could be very good. It's an open, attacking league which could suit him.
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+x+xHopefully he can find is feet again. He has seemingly lost his way at Rosenborg. He does however have to compete with 3 other left backs. They are Greg Leigh who used to play for Bury, and a couple of youngsters in Carolina and Mashart. It's a bit of a step down in terms of club, but a tougher league. Could be good for him to grind out wins to avoid relegation. Rather than be one of a few clubs to always win the league. Also the same club Stefan Mauk was at last season. Unless I'm mistaken Mauk was at NEC Nijmegen and this is NAC Breda where Birighitti was.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHe’s a winger. Hardly at fault for losing 7-0 to one of the best teams in the world.Nice result for Lyden What's being a winger got to do with a 7 nil loss? The point is he is a mediocre player in a poor team at a poor level. Rotherham is mid A league level Championship > A-League. There's different levels within the championship though. Rotherham are a far cry from Leeds and Middlesbrough. English players and coaches who have come to oz have all consistently said the same thing and that is that the A league is equivalent to the bottom of the championship, top of league 1. Adam Le Fondre played for a relegation battling club (like Rotherham) last season and got 7 goals in 35 games... They released him a year early from his contract as soon as they could find someone to take him off their hands... He comes here and scores a goal a game. If he'd come here and played for CCM he wouldn't be scoring as many goals. I've no doubt that the championship is a stronger competition than the A-league, but the fact that he went from a struggling team to a good team can explain the difference in his form. Agreed... But is he scoring for Sydney because they have better midfielders than he played with last year, or is he scoring for them because the defenders he plays against aren't as good? The main factor is that he moved from a team that was worse than most teams they played against, and therefore struggled to create good chances for him, to a team that is better than most teams they play against, and therefore create good chances for him. It doesn't say much about the objective quality of each league. If he'd been starting for a top Championship team last season he likely would have scored more goals, despite playing against defenders of the same quality. The defenders might be worse here on average, but using ALF's form as a gauge of that is such a messy measurement so as to be practically useless. When Le Fondre WAS playing at a team that dominated the Championship (2011/12 champions) - in his prime - he managed 12 goals in 32 games... 2 years later when they finished 7th of 24 he got 15 in 38. That's his level, at his best... Approx a goal every three games... That's good. Perfectly respectable. The sign of a competent, solid forward. He's scoring a goal a game here. If it was just him, I'd accept that it's a messy way to judge things... But when you look for patterns... Besert Berisha - 21 goals in 90 league games before Australia. 100 goals in 156 games in Australia. Yet to score in Japan. Bruno Fornaroli - 24 goals in 129 league games before Australia. 47 in 66 in Australia. Bobo - 100 goals in 277 league games before Australia. 42 in 57 in Australia. Yet to score back in Turkey. Ross McCormack - 120 goals in 334 Championship games. 15 in 22 in Australia. Oriol Riera - 1 goal in 13 Championship games. 30 goals in 115 Spanish 2nd div games. 19 in 37 in the A-League. Roy O'Donovan - 7 goals in 34 League 2 games. 2 goals in 25 SPL. 0 goals in 25 Championship games... 26 in 43 in the A-League. There's a pattern that runs through the top A-League forwards over the last few seasons. On the flipside... Adam Taggart - 19 goals in 54 A-League games. 0 in 7 in SPL, couldn't get a game at Championship club. 25 in 43 back in A-League. Jamie MacLaren - 40 goals in 53 A-League games. 0 in 7 in Germany. 9 in 27 in Scotland (1 in his last 12 games) Tomi Juric - 3 in 14 Croatian 1st div games (12 more in 24 2nd div games). 12 in 34 in Australia. 4 in 17 in Holland, 15 in 57 in Switzerland. Benjamin.. no one is saying a league is championship quality. We are saying bottom of the champ top of league 1 and that it was Englishmen who have come here have mostly said. Problem is that people HAVE said the A-League is Championship quality - I have said League One... Someone on this thread was trying to talk down an Aussie who is playing in the Championship and all I've done is attempted to demonstrate that if he's playing in the Championship, even at the bottom end of it, then he's doing bloody well.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHe’s a winger. Hardly at fault for losing 7-0 to one of the best teams in the world.Nice result for Lyden What's being a winger got to do with a 7 nil loss? The point is he is a mediocre player in a poor team at a poor level. Rotherham is mid A league level Championship > A-League. There's different levels within the championship though. Rotherham are a far cry from Leeds and Middlesbrough. English players and coaches who have come to oz have all consistently said the same thing and that is that the A league is equivalent to the bottom of the championship, top of league 1. Adam Le Fondre played for a relegation battling club (like Rotherham) last season and got 7 goals in 35 games... They released him a year early from his contract as soon as they could find someone to take him off their hands... He comes here and scores a goal a game. If he'd come here and played for CCM he wouldn't be scoring as many goals. I've no doubt that the championship is a stronger competition than the A-league, but the fact that he went from a struggling team to a good team can explain the difference in his form. Agreed... But is he scoring for Sydney because they have better midfielders than he played with last year, or is he scoring for them because the defenders he plays against aren't as good? The main factor is that he moved from a team that was worse than most teams they played against, and therefore struggled to create good chances for him, to a team that is better than most teams they play against, and therefore create good chances for him. It doesn't say much about the objective quality of each league. If he'd been starting for a top Championship team last season he likely would have scored more goals, despite playing against defenders of the same quality. The defenders might be worse here on average, but using ALF's form as a gauge of that is such a messy measurement so as to be practically useless. When Le Fondre WAS playing at a team that dominated the Championship (2011/12 champions) - in his prime - he managed 12 goals in 32 games... 2 years later when they finished 7th of 24 he got 15 in 38. That's his level, at his best... Approx a goal every three games... That's good. Perfectly respectable. The sign of a competent, solid forward. He's scoring a goal a game here. If it was just him, I'd accept that it's a messy way to judge things... But when you look for patterns... Besert Berisha - 21 goals in 90 league games before Australia. 100 goals in 156 games in Australia. Yet to score in Japan. Bruno Fornaroli - 24 goals in 129 league games before Australia. 47 in 66 in Australia. Bobo - 100 goals in 277 league games before Australia. 42 in 57 in Australia. Yet to score back in Turkey. Ross McCormack - 120 goals in 334 Championship games. 15 in 22 in Australia. Oriol Riera - 1 goal in 13 Championship games. 30 goals in 115 Spanish 2nd div games. 19 in 37 in the A-League. Roy O'Donovan - 7 goals in 34 League 2 games. 2 goals in 25 SPL. 0 goals in 25 Championship games... 26 in 43 in the A-League. There's a pattern that runs through the top A-League forwards over the last few seasons. On the flipside... Adam Taggart - 19 goals in 54 A-League games. 0 in 7 in SPL, couldn't get a game at Championship club. 25 in 43 back in A-League. Jamie MacLaren - 40 goals in 53 A-League games. 0 in 7 in Germany. 9 in 27 in Scotland (1 in his last 12 games) Tomi Juric - 3 in 14 Croatian 1st div games (12 more in 24 2nd div games). 12 in 34 in Australia. 4 in 17 in Holland, 15 in 57 in Switzerland. Benjamin.. no one is saying a league is championship quality. We are saying bottom of the champ top of league 1 and that it was Englishmen who have come here have mostly said. Problem is that people HAVE said the A-League is Championship quality - I have said League One... Someone on this thread was trying to talk down an Aussie who is playing in the Championship and all I've done is attempted to demonstrate that if he's playing in the Championship, even at the bottom end of it, then he's doing bloody well. Playing averagely for a poor team that debatedly is around a league level (or a tad higher according to you) isn't that great. Ok he's doing ok but he hasn't proven he's Socceroos material despite ppl calling for him here. There's far more deserving players in the a league who are actually dominating unlike williams
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHe’s a winger. Hardly at fault for losing 7-0 to one of the best teams in the world.Nice result for Lyden What's being a winger got to do with a 7 nil loss? The point is he is a mediocre player in a poor team at a poor level. Rotherham is mid A league level Championship > A-League. There's different levels within the championship though. Rotherham are a far cry from Leeds and Middlesbrough. English players and coaches who have come to oz have all consistently said the same thing and that is that the A league is equivalent to the bottom of the championship, top of league 1. Adam Le Fondre played for a relegation battling club (like Rotherham) last season and got 7 goals in 35 games... They released him a year early from his contract as soon as they could find someone to take him off their hands... He comes here and scores a goal a game. If he'd come here and played for CCM he wouldn't be scoring as many goals. I've no doubt that the championship is a stronger competition than the A-league, but the fact that he went from a struggling team to a good team can explain the difference in his form. Agreed... But is he scoring for Sydney because they have better midfielders than he played with last year, or is he scoring for them because the defenders he plays against aren't as good? The main factor is that he moved from a team that was worse than most teams they played against, and therefore struggled to create good chances for him, to a team that is better than most teams they play against, and therefore create good chances for him. It doesn't say much about the objective quality of each league. If he'd been starting for a top Championship team last season he likely would have scored more goals, despite playing against defenders of the same quality. The defenders might be worse here on average, but using ALF's form as a gauge of that is such a messy measurement so as to be practically useless. When Le Fondre WAS playing at a team that dominated the Championship (2011/12 champions) - in his prime - he managed 12 goals in 32 games... 2 years later when they finished 7th of 24 he got 15 in 38. That's his level, at his best... Approx a goal every three games... That's good. Perfectly respectable. The sign of a competent, solid forward. He's scoring a goal a game here. If it was just him, I'd accept that it's a messy way to judge things... But when you look for patterns... Besert Berisha - 21 goals in 90 league games before Australia. 100 goals in 156 games in Australia. Yet to score in Japan. Bruno Fornaroli - 24 goals in 129 league games before Australia. 47 in 66 in Australia. Bobo - 100 goals in 277 league games before Australia. 42 in 57 in Australia. Yet to score back in Turkey. Ross McCormack - 120 goals in 334 Championship games. 15 in 22 in Australia. Oriol Riera - 1 goal in 13 Championship games. 30 goals in 115 Spanish 2nd div games. 19 in 37 in the A-League. Roy O'Donovan - 7 goals in 34 League 2 games. 2 goals in 25 SPL. 0 goals in 25 Championship games... 26 in 43 in the A-League. There's a pattern that runs through the top A-League forwards over the last few seasons. On the flipside... Adam Taggart - 19 goals in 54 A-League games. 0 in 7 in SPL, couldn't get a game at Championship club. 25 in 43 back in A-League. Jamie MacLaren - 40 goals in 53 A-League games. 0 in 7 in Germany. 9 in 27 in Scotland (1 in his last 12 games) Tomi Juric - 3 in 14 Croatian 1st div games (12 more in 24 2nd div games). 12 in 34 in Australia. 4 in 17 in Holland, 15 in 57 in Switzerland. Benjamin.. no one is saying a league is championship quality. We are saying bottom of the champ top of league 1 and that it was Englishmen who have come here have mostly said. Problem is that people HAVE said the A-League is Championship quality - I have said League One... Someone on this thread was trying to talk down an Aussie who is playing in the Championship and all I've done is attempted to demonstrate that if he's playing in the Championship, even at the bottom end of it, then he's doing bloody well. Playing averagely for a poor team that debatedly is around a league level (or a tad higher according to you) isn't that great. Ok he's doing ok but he hasn't proven he's Socceroos material despite ppl calling for him here. There's far more deserving players in the a league who are actually dominating unlike williams I'm not saying Williams should get a call-up but other than Ikon, there aren't any other Aussie wingers at the top of my head who are dominating the HAL.
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+x+x+xHopefully he can find is feet again. He has seemingly lost his way at Rosenborg. He does however have to compete with 3 other left backs. They are Greg Leigh who used to play for Bury, and a couple of youngsters in Carolina and Mashart. It's a bit of a step down in terms of club, but a tougher league. Could be good for him to grind out wins to avoid relegation. Rather than be one of a few clubs to always win the league. Also the same club Stefan Mauk was at last season. Unless I'm mistaken Mauk was at NEC Nijmegen and this is NAC Breda where Birighitti was. Correct you are :)
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+xNot your best work here, Mr Benjamin... Matter of opinion Mr Bowden... The facts appear to support the argument over and over again though... Foreign players who have performed 'okay' in decent leagues overseas are capable of being very good over here, but only our best make an impression in the same foreign leagues. If someone compares two competitions and claims they are the same level, but evidence suggests otherwise, why pretend? Once again, I only piped up on this thread when someone dismissed Ryan Williams' ability on the grounds that he was only playing at the bottom of the Championship - and on another thread where it was suggested that A-League clubs would be competitive in the Championship (later revised to the top 3 A-League clubs would be competitive, which is still a dubious claim). To the lad who said I was basing my theory on a single player - I listed half a dozen elsewhere, and here's another... Andy Keogh - 31 goals in 233 games at Championship level, 44 goals in his first 100 A-League games... Like O'Donovan and Berisha, was more of a winger over there, moved inside over here because... Less competition for striking places - because the quality of players is lower.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHe’s a winger. Hardly at fault for losing 7-0 to one of the best teams in the world.Nice result for Lyden What's being a winger got to do with a 7 nil loss? The point is he is a mediocre player in a poor team at a poor level. Rotherham is mid A league level Championship > A-League. There's different levels within the championship though. Rotherham are a far cry from Leeds and Middlesbrough. English players and coaches who have come to oz have all consistently said the same thing and that is that the A league is equivalent to the bottom of the championship, top of league 1. Adam Le Fondre played for a relegation battling club (like Rotherham) last season and got 7 goals in 35 games... They released him a year early from his contract as soon as they could find someone to take him off their hands... He comes here and scores a goal a game. If he'd come here and played for CCM he wouldn't be scoring as many goals. I've no doubt that the championship is a stronger competition than the A-league, but the fact that he went from a struggling team to a good team can explain the difference in his form. Agreed... But is he scoring for Sydney because they have better midfielders than he played with last year, or is he scoring for them because the defenders he plays against aren't as good? The main factor is that he moved from a team that was worse than most teams they played against, and therefore struggled to create good chances for him, to a team that is better than most teams they play against, and therefore create good chances for him. It doesn't say much about the objective quality of each league. If he'd been starting for a top Championship team last season he likely would have scored more goals, despite playing against defenders of the same quality. The defenders might be worse here on average, but using ALF's form as a gauge of that is such a messy measurement so as to be practically useless. When Le Fondre WAS playing at a team that dominated the Championship (2011/12 champions) - in his prime - he managed 12 goals in 32 games... 2 years later when they finished 7th of 24 he got 15 in 38. That's his level, at his best... Approx a goal every three games... That's good. Perfectly respectable. The sign of a competent, solid forward. He's scoring a goal a game here. If it was just him, I'd accept that it's a messy way to judge things... But when you look for patterns... Besert Berisha - 21 goals in 90 league games before Australia. 100 goals in 156 games in Australia. Yet to score in Japan. Bruno Fornaroli - 24 goals in 129 league games before Australia. 47 in 66 in Australia. Bobo - 100 goals in 277 league games before Australia. 42 in 57 in Australia. Yet to score back in Turkey. Ross McCormack - 120 goals in 334 Championship games. 15 in 22 in Australia. Oriol Riera - 1 goal in 13 Championship games. 30 goals in 115 Spanish 2nd div games. 19 in 37 in the A-League. Roy O'Donovan - 7 goals in 34 League 2 games. 2 goals in 25 SPL. 0 goals in 25 Championship games... 26 in 43 in the A-League. There's a pattern that runs through the top A-League forwards over the last few seasons. On the flipside... Adam Taggart - 19 goals in 54 A-League games. 0 in 7 in SPL, couldn't get a game at Championship club. 25 in 43 back in A-League. Jamie MacLaren - 40 goals in 53 A-League games. 0 in 7 in Germany. 9 in 27 in Scotland (1 in his last 12 games) Tomi Juric - 3 in 14 Croatian 1st div games (12 more in 24 2nd div games). 12 in 34 in Australia. 4 in 17 in Holland, 15 in 57 in Switzerland. Benjamin.. no one is saying a league is championship quality. We are saying bottom of the champ top of league 1 and that it was Englishmen who have come here have mostly said. Problem is that people HAVE said the A-League is Championship quality - I have said League One... Someone on this thread was trying to talk down an Aussie who is playing in the Championship and all I've done is attempted to demonstrate that if he's playing in the Championship, even at the bottom end of it, then he's doing bloody well. Playing averagely for a poor team that debatedly is around a league level (or a tad higher according to you) isn't that great. Ok he's doing ok but he hasn't proven he's Socceroos material despite ppl calling for him here. There's far more deserving players in the a league who are actually dominating unlike williams I've no problem with that assessment - but as I said, he was dismissed because of the league he was in and the club he was playing for - ALF was playing in the same league at the same level last season, and struggling, but is taking the piss this season.
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Wow. Big news for Aaron. Could he have played his last game for Hudders? Or will be stuck in the sinking ship?
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Cleur currently playing for Entella against Roma in the Coppa Italia. 2-0 down at HT.
Being deployed as a Left Back by the looks of it.
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+xWow. Big news for Aaron. Could he have played his last game for Hudders? Or will be stuck in the sinking ship? Guessing huddersfield didn't want to spend money on transfers, sees no chance of survival and is saving face? They're definitely not staying up now though, hopefully mooy to change club at seasons end
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would mooy be a good fit for the wolves or another top 12 team?
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+xwould mooy be a good fit for the wolves or another top 12 team? He would fit Wolves well, but would have a tough time displacing Neves/Moutinho in their lineup. I would love to see him move outside England, I reckon he would kill it in Italy.
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I think benjamin is balanced in his views. He's at least backing up with facts. I don't always agree with everything but he is fair and doesn't just baselessly rant,
His facts about strikers is spot on. Most are useless, come here and are stars.
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Mooy to Bournemouth or Brighton for me. Would be epic to see him with Ryan for a couple of seasons.
The West Ham link may spark up again. Everton would be cool.
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Mirislav popovic has moved to a second tier Austrian side.
Serie D side Avellino is apparently looking at piscopo. They are a division down from where he is now in the promotion play-offs while Renate is in the relegation play-off. Avellino survived in Serie B last season but failed some financial check so had to reform in Serie D. He seems settled at the moment with 4 goals this season with 3 in the last 8 games.
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Benjamin
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+xI think benjamin is balanced in his views. He's at least backing up with facts. I don't always agree with everything but he is fair and doesn't just baselessly rant, His facts about strikers is spot on. Most are useless, come here and are stars. I wouldn't say "useless" - I'd say that they do a solid job in a good league, then step down (just a little in quality) and are able to look much better. Again - saying the A-League isn't Championship class is in no way an insult to the A-League.
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Pasquali
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+x+xI think benjamin is balanced in his views. He's at least backing up with facts. I don't always agree with everything but he is fair and doesn't just baselessly rant, His facts about strikers is spot on. Most are useless, come here and are stars. I wouldn't say "useless" - I'd say that they do a solid job in a good league, then step down (just a little in quality) and are able to look much better. Again - saying the A-League isn't Championship class is in no way an insult to the A-League. How do you think the A-League compares to the Scottish league?
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the performance of players going to and from our league depends on the position
thats a nuance missing in this discussion
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Benjamin
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+x+x+xI think benjamin is balanced in his views. He's at least backing up with facts. I don't always agree with everything but he is fair and doesn't just baselessly rant, His facts about strikers is spot on. Most are useless, come here and are stars. I wouldn't say "useless" - I'd say that they do a solid job in a good league, then step down (just a little in quality) and are able to look much better. Again - saying the A-League isn't Championship class is in no way an insult to the A-League. How do you think the A-League compares to the Scottish league? I would like to think the majority of A-League sides would survive in the Premiership in Scotland. Take the top 3-4 clubs out and the standard is okay, but not great.
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