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Was wondering why Mike has suddenly departed the forum? His mate Joe has made the side, his bitter enemy has not. Could be because a certain Blue he said did not deserve a Baggy Green has been given one..:P Where are you Mike?
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+x+x+xtye hasn't exactly dominated this years 20-20 He has an econ rate of 8.06 which is ordinary since the average score has been about 140 He did go well in the JLT Cup tho. M: 6 | wkts: 18 | Ave: 16.16 | Ec: 5.33. impressive comeback after being dropped (I recall him being dropped?) Meanwhile I have a radical theory for how to stop England style batting Perhaps the problem is the bowling tactics are too conservative. When you are defending over 300 you should worry only about wickets not run rate because its easier to prevent someone scoring 300+ than it is to prevent someone going at 8 an over Think about it, even on a road it would be ludicrous for a team to try and score 6rpo in a test match reaching 300 at the first drinks break after lunch. Some teams are reaching 400 at the same drinks break when they probably would struggle to reach 400 batting after five sessions trying to optimize their score If someone attacks you in a test the right thing to do isn't to spread the field. That allows the batsmen easy singles so they can wait for the right ball to attack. The right thing to do is to have every fielder (in and out field) as part of a plan to get wickets rather than slow runs. Perhaps no matter how high the run rate you should always have slips and infielders in catching positions looking for a wicket. It would take some guts to implement mind you 
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+x+xtye hasn't exactly dominated this years 20-20 He has an econ rate of 8.06 which is ordinary since the average score has been about 140 He did go well in the JLT Cup tho. M: 6 | wkts: 18 | Ave: 16.16 | Ec: 5.33. impressive comeback after being dropped (I recall him being dropped?) Meanwhile I have a radical theory for how to stop England style batting Perhaps the problem is the bowling tactics are too conservative. When you are defending over 300 you should worry only about wickets not run rate because its easier to prevent someone scoring 300+ than it is to prevent someone going at 8 an over Think about it, even on a road it would be ludicrous for a team to try and score 6rpo in a test match reaching 300 at the first drinks break after lunch. Some teams are reaching 400 at the same drinks break when they probably would struggle to reach 400 batting after five sessions trying to optimize their score If someone attacks you in a test the right thing to do isn't to spread the field. That allows the batsmen easy singles so they can wait for the right ball to attack. The right thing to do is to have every fielder (in and out field) as part of a plan to get wickets rather than slow runs. Perhaps no matter how high the run rate you should always have slips and infielders in catching positions looking for a wicket. It would take some guts to implement mind you
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BaggyGreens
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+xtye hasn't exactly dominated this years 20-20 He has an econ rate of 8.06 which is ordinary since the average score has been about 140 He did go well in the JLT Cup tho. M: 6 | wkts: 18 | Ave: 16.16 | Ec: 5.33.
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tye hasn't exactly dominated this years 20-20
He has an econ rate of 8.06 which is ordinary since the average score has been about 140
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+x+x+x+xwhy did CA drop faulkner? Form... Batsman set for his slower ball every ball making it far less effective, and his batting got found out to be too leg side dominant... he had no answer for wide full balls outside off... He basically went from a superstar to ordinary... Is JF back? Has been getting wickets and runs in BBL.. 3 vital wickets yesterday and finished like in his glory days to get Hurricanes home. Perhaps he is having his second wind. An in form JF is a great asset to an Oz limited overs side. Once back - he helps the tail - but he has to be able to bowl at the death... Noone can put much weight into BBL after Short and Tye have starred in it - and come up so short short in intls its not funny... Yeh. Tye is the big puzzle. Is it the extra pressure? Kane Richardson, Ben Cutting and Ben Laughlin who all have impressive domestic records also come up short internationally. JF on the other hand tops the other three domestically and internationally...specially T20. A good death bowler is the sports Holy Grail.
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+x+x+xwhy did CA drop faulkner? Form... Batsman set for his slower ball every ball making it far less effective, and his batting got found out to be too leg side dominant... he had no answer for wide full balls outside off... He basically went from a superstar to ordinary... Is JF back? Has been getting wickets and runs in BBL.. 3 vital wickets yesterday and finished like in his glory days to get Hurricanes home. Perhaps he is having his second wind. An in form JF is a great asset to an Oz limited overs side. Once back - he helps the tail - but he has to be able to bowl at the death... Noone can put much weight into BBL after Short and Tye have starred in it - and come up so short short in intls its not funny...
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18649/scorecard/1144156/south-africa-vs-pakistan-1st-odi-pak-in-sa-2018-19Look at this scorecard to make a point. Look at the Pakistani batting. Its down to 9. Pakistan is NOT playing its best bowlers by a long mile. No Amir, no Shaheen.... And they would never dream about playing test bowlers like Yasir or Abbas. They're playing 2 ace seamers - and 4 allrounders (Ashraf, Shadhab, Imad and Hafeez). This match is in SA. SA are meant to be "excellent". SA loses just two wickets - and were never in the game. Teams in ODI cricket are getting caught out by allrounders like never before. All the focus is on Kohli's centuries and Sharma's dbls - and fair enough - but for England and Pakistan - its these allrounders that are making the difference just as often but with less headlines and fanfare - because its not centuries and 5 for's... I mean Pakistan should not be winning this series away in SA... and yet I am not surprised at all... and this is despite Phelukwayo and Pretorious playing for SA. The truth is Amla played a losing innings... but noone wants to hear this...
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+x+x+xchange in average/strike rate for the batters I listed (filter 30 ODIs) and recent batters. Positive means international is better Warner +0.7/-1.6 Smith -3.6/-0.9 Marsh -2.1/+1 Stoinis +6.5/+9.6 Faulkner +3.5/+12.8 Head -1.6/-2.9 M Marsh -1.6/+0.8 Average +0.3/+2.4 Now for England Bairstrow +7.8/+1.2 Roy +1/-1.7 Root +2.8/+1.3 Morgan +0.1/-0.5 Butler -4.8/-1.6 Stokes +0.9/-2.9 Ali -2.3/+1.8 Average +0.9/-0.3 If you give players an adequate run they almost always produce their domestic stats on the international stage. If we select our best team and give them a few matches to acclimatize we can beat England No. They threaten to score 500. That's the reality. You're still in denial... Australia is a joke in intl cricket right now... A huge joke... http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18021/scorecard/1119539/england-vs-australia-3rd-odi-aus-in-eng-2018But but but its Smith and Warner not bowling... lol.... The BBL is killing CA standards cos its crap... you dont get it... that's Stanlake, Tye, RIchardson and Stoinis.... Your whole structure is a joke... Until you accept it and sort it out - these scorecards keep happening... tbh... England will smash Australia all winter once Warner and Smith return.... and then the powers that be may wake up... Im betting on it.... In 2016 SL white washed Aus - that's when this started.... What do you see as a way out of this mess Paddles? I for one want only specialist red ball batsmen in our test sides. Blokes who score nothing less than @40 in FC cricket. As for limited overs I have no clue. CA wants to pack ODI sides with hitters but that does not always come off. You have to have a couple of decent time batters as your spine too. I want predominately hitters in T20. Must have one steadying influence with the others smashing around him. To do hitters - teams have to bat deep to counter this. This goes against the entire WSC philosophy of CA since Packer and Lillee - the 4 best bowlers. This is a cultural change that I don't think Australia is really ready for just yet. But will be soon, because Aussies can only take losing at cricket for so long...
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+x+x+xchange in average/strike rate for the batters I listed (filter 30 ODIs) and recent batters. Positive means international is better Warner +0.7/-1.6 Smith -3.6/-0.9 Marsh -2.1/+1 Stoinis +6.5/+9.6 Faulkner +3.5/+12.8 Head -1.6/-2.9 M Marsh -1.6/+0.8 Average +0.3/+2.4 Now for England Bairstrow +7.8/+1.2 Roy +1/-1.7 Root +2.8/+1.3 Morgan +0.1/-0.5 Butler -4.8/-1.6 Stokes +0.9/-2.9 Ali -2.3/+1.8 Average +0.9/-0.3 If you give players an adequate run they almost always produce their domestic stats on the international stage. If we select our best team and give them a few matches to acclimatize we can beat England No. They threaten to score 500. That's the reality. You're still in denial... Australia is a joke in intl cricket right now... A huge joke... http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18021/scorecard/1119539/england-vs-australia-3rd-odi-aus-in-eng-2018But but but its Smith and Warner not bowling... lol.... The BBL is killing CA standards cos its crap... you dont get it... that's Stanlake, Tye, RIchardson and Stoinis.... Your whole structure is a joke... Until you accept it and sort it out - these scorecards keep happening... tbh... England will smash Australia all winter once Warner and Smith return.... and then the powers that be may wake up... Im betting on it.... In 2016 SL white washed Aus - that's when this started.... Grazor is a mate of mine, who I've met up with in person, but I have to agree with a lot of what you advance, Paddles. The stuff you are raising is constantly discussed at games I attend in the Tas Crick Assoc members. Cricket is a mess in Australia and has been very badly run by Cricket Aus under Sutherland and Peever. Pat Howard has also been a shocking appointment from a rugby league background. All they worry about is money. They have made a lot of bad decisions. The money is a part of it - because the revenue the BBL generates is not fed back into the BBL teams - it goes back to the players by first class - which is fine in theory but not in principle as there's less pro's in the BBL and less quality ones at that. They've tried to make 8 teams out of 6, and not even bring in enough imports... nor pay handsomely to lure more from SA and India...
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CA haven't filled our team with hitters thats what England did with their side
For test yes just specialist batsmen who average 40+ in FC cricket is the solution to at least tread water
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+x+xchange in average/strike rate for the batters I listed (filter 30 ODIs) and recent batters. Positive means international is better Warner +0.7/-1.6 Smith -3.6/-0.9 Marsh -2.1/+1 Stoinis +6.5/+9.6 Faulkner +3.5/+12.8 Head -1.6/-2.9 M Marsh -1.6/+0.8 Average +0.3/+2.4 Now for England Bairstrow +7.8/+1.2 Roy +1/-1.7 Root +2.8/+1.3 Morgan +0.1/-0.5 Butler -4.8/-1.6 Stokes +0.9/-2.9 Ali -2.3/+1.8 Average +0.9/-0.3 If you give players an adequate run they almost always produce their domestic stats on the international stage. If we select our best team and give them a few matches to acclimatize we can beat England No. They threaten to score 500. That's the reality. You're still in denial... Australia is a joke in intl cricket right now... A huge joke... http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18021/scorecard/1119539/england-vs-australia-3rd-odi-aus-in-eng-2018But but but its Smith and Warner not bowling... lol.... The BBL is killing CA standards cos its crap... you dont get it... that's Stanlake, Tye, RIchardson and Stoinis.... Your whole structure is a joke... Until you accept it and sort it out - these scorecards keep happening... tbh... England will smash Australia all winter once Warner and Smith return.... and then the powers that be may wake up... Im betting on it.... In 2016 SL white washed Aus - that's when this started.... What do you see as a way out of this mess Paddles? I for one want only specialist red ball batsmen in our test sides. Blokes who score nothing less than @40 in FC cricket. As for limited overs I have no clue. CA wants to pack ODI sides with hitters but that does not always come off. You have to have a couple of decent time batters as your spine too. I want predominately hitters in T20. Must have one steadying influence with the others smashing around him.
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+x+xwhy did CA drop faulkner? Form... Batsman set for his slower ball every ball making it far less effective, and his batting got found out to be too leg side dominant... he had no answer for wide full balls outside off... He basically went from a superstar to ordinary... Is JF back? Has been getting wickets and runs in BBL.. 3 vital wickets yesterday and finished like in his glory days to get Hurricanes home. Perhaps he is having his second wind. An in form JF is a great asset to an Oz limited overs side.
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+x+xchange in average/strike rate for the batters I listed (filter 30 ODIs) and recent batters. Positive means international is better Warner +0.7/-1.6 Smith -3.6/-0.9 Marsh -2.1/+1 Stoinis +6.5/+9.6 Faulkner +3.5/+12.8 Head -1.6/-2.9 M Marsh -1.6/+0.8 Average +0.3/+2.4 Now for England Bairstrow +7.8/+1.2 Roy +1/-1.7 Root +2.8/+1.3 Morgan +0.1/-0.5 Butler -4.8/-1.6 Stokes +0.9/-2.9 Ali -2.3/+1.8 Average +0.9/-0.3 If you give players an adequate run they almost always produce their domestic stats on the international stage. If we select our best team and give them a few matches to acclimatize we can beat England No. They threaten to score 500. That's the reality. You're still in denial... Australia is a joke in intl cricket right now... A huge joke... http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18021/scorecard/1119539/england-vs-australia-3rd-odi-aus-in-eng-2018But but but its Smith and Warner not bowling... lol.... The BBL is killing CA standards cos its crap... you dont get it... that's Stanlake, Tye, RIchardson and Stoinis.... Your whole structure is a joke... Until you accept it and sort it out - these scorecards keep happening... tbh... England will smash Australia all winter once Warner and Smith return.... and then the powers that be may wake up... Im betting on it.... In 2016 SL white washed Aus - that's when this started.... Grazor is a mate of mine, who I've met up with in person, but I have to agree with a lot of what you advance, Paddles. The stuff you are raising is constantly discussed at games I attend in the Tas Crick Assoc members. Cricket is a mess in Australia and has been very badly run by Cricket Aus under Sutherland and Peever. Pat Howard has also been a shocking appointment from a rugby league background. All they worry about is money. They have made a lot of bad decisions.
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we select the right team we will threaten to score 500 too on occasion
Of course its all academic if the selectors pick a team that will accumulate their way to 280 each time
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+xchange in average/strike rate for the batters I listed (filter 30 ODIs) and recent batters. Positive means international is better Warner +0.7/-1.6 Smith -3.6/-0.9 Marsh -2.1/+1 Stoinis +6.5/+9.6 Faulkner +3.5/+12.8 Head -1.6/-2.9 M Marsh -1.6/+0.8 Average +0.3/+2.4 Now for England Bairstrow +7.8/+1.2 Roy +1/-1.7 Root +2.8/+1.3 Morgan +0.1/-0.5 Butler -4.8/-1.6 Stokes +0.9/-2.9 Ali -2.3/+1.8 Average +0.9/-0.3 If you give players an adequate run they almost always produce their domestic stats on the international stage. If we select our best team and give them a few matches to acclimatize we can beat England No. They threaten to score 500. That's the reality. You're still in denial... Australia is a joke in intl cricket right now... A huge joke... http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18021/scorecard/1119539/england-vs-australia-3rd-odi-aus-in-eng-2018But but but its Smith and Warner not bowling... lol.... The BBL is killing CA standards cos its crap... you dont get it... that's Stanlake, Tye, RIchardson and Stoinis.... Your whole structure is a joke... Until you accept it and sort it out - these scorecards keep happening... tbh... England will smash Australia all winter once Warner and Smith return.... and then the powers that be may wake up... Im betting on it.... In 2016 SL white washed Aus - that's when this started....
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change in average/strike rate for the batters I listed (filter 30 ODIs) and recent batters. Positive means international is better
Warner +0.7/-1.6
Smith -3.6/-0.9
Marsh -2.1/+1
Stoinis +6.5/+9.6
Faulkner +3.5/+12.8
Head -1.6/-2.9
M Marsh -1.6/+0.8
Average +0.3/+2.4
Now for England
Bairstrow +7.8/+1.2
Roy +1/-1.7
Root +2.8/+1.3
Morgan +0.1/-0.5
Butler -4.8/-1.6
Stokes +0.9/-2.9
Ali -2.3/+1.8
Average +0.9/-0.3
If you give players an adequate run they almost always produce their domestic stats on the international stage.
If we select our best team and give them a few matches to acclimatize we can beat England
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+x+x+xComparing domestic gives a larger sample size. Helps predict how new players like Short and Lynn will do in the long term. Players like Stoinis and Faulkner actually have substantially better ODI than domestic and there isn't much difference in any of the poms records so apart from the players that have played few odis (short lynn and agar) this way of comparing teams actually flatter england As for bowling even if you go ODI theirs isn't that impressive and we can definitely make a better bowling team even if we select some all rounders like faulkner and Marsh. Agar's is bad but from a tiny sample size of 9 games. If we back our best players we can have a better side Faulkner 30.5/5.53 Lyon 42.81/4.91 Hazelwood 25.15/4.73 Cumins 29.73/5.31 starc 21.44/4.95 Zampa 37.66/5.61 M Marsh 35.54/5.52 Agar 51.75/5.75 Moeen Ali 41.72/5.31 Woakes 33.36/5.49 Archer 30.71/5.29 Adil Rashid 30.38/5.37 Liam Plunket 30.38/5.52 Ben Stokes 31.74/5.77 We can beat them, we just have to select our strongest side and back them for a few games so they gel You're comparing your domestic bowlers to your domestic batsmen. nope read my last post I read it. I am saying CA domestic is a joke. Nothing like intl cricket. And England will whoop that team 9/10. England doesn't pick people out of domestic. They pick people out of lions cricket... India doesn't pick people out of domestic - they pick people out of A cricket and IPL (where every game has 8 non Indian mostly intl superstars)... CA has its domestic and rep below intl infrastructure all wrong. Baggers knows it. Mike knows it. The problem is sorting it out. Because noone can agree on the best fix. In the mean time - Eng is winning tests with no batsmen and dominating ODI cricket not seen since Bevan and Warne... SA have a conveyer belt of the best fast bowlers the world has seen, India are now making fast bowlers to go with their batsmen and spin allrounders and Pak is bouncing back - while even weak af NZL is enjoying a purple patch... Australia has gone from a domestic scene where every state 18 years ago deserved test status (I sincerely mean this - that is how strong it was) - to a rabble. An absolute rabble. The problem is - some people still think its strong. It's not. It's weak. 5 years ago I watched the BBL and loved it. For the past 3 years - I don't have the time for that crap. The standards have declined so much - it's not funny. It's junk cricket. When IPL has higher fielding standards than the BBL - there's a huge problem - a huge problem, let alone the bat and bowling... Aus need a miracle to make the semis of this world cup. Eng, Ind, Pak - there's 3 spots, NZ SA Aus Bng are fighting for 4th... SL WI are jokes... Afg is there for upsets... But the typical Aus fan is still probably not appreciating what a threat Bngldsh pose to Aussie... or NZ.... and expect SA to make the semis despite having stuff all batting in today's world... When did Aussie go from S Waugh M Waugh Border Deano Punter Symonds Clarke in the field - to trying to tell us Maxwell and Warner are good fielders? What happened to fielding drills in Australia? Aus needs to do what Bobby Simpson did in the 1980's - back to basics and good fielders - then bat and bowl well... You know why India does the yoyo tests right? You really think Finch is passing that test? Or Khawaja... Lynn's not even an option to be honest... Until CA accept the problems the have with two eyes open - they won't fix anything. Takes being upset and mad with losing long enough to change a system - England did it in 2015 - India did it after 2007 - Aus did it in 87...
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+x+xComparing domestic gives a larger sample size. Helps predict how new players like Short and Lynn will do in the long term. Players like Stoinis and Faulkner actually have substantially better ODI than domestic and there isn't much difference in any of the poms records so apart from the players that have played few odis (short lynn and agar) this way of comparing teams actually flatter england As for bowling even if you go ODI theirs isn't that impressive and we can definitely make a better bowling team even if we select some all rounders like faulkner and Marsh. Agar's is bad but from a tiny sample size of 9 games. If we back our best players we can have a better side Faulkner 30.5/5.53 Lyon 42.81/4.91 Hazelwood 25.15/4.73 Cumins 29.73/5.31 starc 21.44/4.95 Zampa 37.66/5.61 M Marsh 35.54/5.52 Agar 51.75/5.75 Moeen Ali 41.72/5.31 Woakes 33.36/5.49 Archer 30.71/5.29 Adil Rashid 30.38/5.37 Liam Plunket 30.38/5.52 Ben Stokes 31.74/5.77 We can beat them, we just have to select our strongest side and back them for a few games so they gel You're comparing your domestic bowlers to your domestic batsmen. nope read my last post
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+xComparing domestic gives a larger sample size. Helps predict how new players like Short and Lynn will do in the long term. Players like Stoinis and Faulkner actually have substantially better ODI than domestic and there isn't much difference in any of the poms records so apart from the players that have played few odis (short lynn and agar) this way of comparing teams actually flatter england As for bowling even if you go ODI theirs isn't that impressive and we can definitely make a better bowling team even if we select some all rounders like faulkner and Marsh. Agar's is bad but from a tiny sample size of 9 games. If we back our best players we can have a better side Faulkner 30.5/5.53 Lyon 42.81/4.91 Hazelwood 25.15/4.73 Cumins 29.73/5.31 starc 21.44/4.95 Zampa 37.66/5.61 M Marsh 35.54/5.52 Agar 51.75/5.75 Moeen Ali 41.72/5.31 Woakes 33.36/5.49 Archer 30.71/5.29 Adil Rashid 30.38/5.37 Liam Plunket 30.38/5.52 Ben Stokes 31.74/5.77 We can beat them, we just have to select our strongest side and back them for a few games so they gel You're comparing your domestic bowlers to your domestic batsmen. Surely you have realised by now - that the current generation of Australian cricket is at a low ebb - especially in batting. There was a clear out after being thrashed in SL and SA won the first two tests in Aus - and since then nothing has gelled. Not for test - not for odi cricket. This is the worst Aussie crop since the mid 80's. Smith and Warner bans were simply icing on the cake. Darcy Short is an intl joke, an IPL joke - and he is rocking Aus limited overs domestically... So how are you going to gauge how someone will go? AJ Tye again? That worked well v India and England... Heck - the whole world wants a piece of him... I'm sorry to be blunt - but I think its going to take Aussie a long time to get out of this mess. They got caught napping by the rest of the world. And until CA realises they have a huge problem - and they need to do A tours - and lots of them - they're pickled. The worst part is those with some serious talent - like NCN and Pattinson - spend more time in the medical wards than on the pitch.
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Comparing domestic gives a larger sample size. Helps predict how new players like Short and Lynn will do in the long term. Players like Stoinis and Faulkner actually have substantially better ODI than domestic and there isn't much difference in any of the poms records so apart from the players that have played few odis (short lynn and agar) this way of comparing teams actually flatter england
As for bowling even if you go ODI theirs isn't that impressive and we can definitely make a better bowling team even if we select some all rounders like faulkner and Marsh. Agar's is bad but from a tiny sample size of 9 games. If we back our best players we can have a better side
Faulkner 30.5/5.53
Lyon 42.81/4.91
Hazelwood 25.15/4.73
Cumins 29.73/5.31
starc 21.44/4.95
Zampa 37.66/5.61
M Marsh 35.54/5.52
Agar 51.75/5.75
Moeen Ali 41.72/5.31
Woakes 33.36/5.49
Archer 30.71/5.29
Adil Rashid 30.38/5.37
Liam Plunket 30.38/5.52
Ben Stokes 31.74/5.77
We can beat them, we just have to select our strongest side and back them for a few games so they gel
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+x+xList A average/SR/bowling av/econ 1 Bairstow 40.19/103.3 2. Roy 36.88/105.99 3. Root 48.67/85.07 4 Morgan 38.41/89.7 5. Ben Stokes 35.44/97.35/31.74/5.77 6. Joe Butler 44.51/118.55 7. Moeen Ali 28.91/102.78/41.72/5.31 8 Woakes -23.9/89.93/33.36/5.49 9 Archer - 24/121.51/30.71/5.29 10. Adil Rashid 19.88/90.65/30.38/5.37 11. Liam Plunket 20.30/100.76/30.38/5.52 The team I mentioned is comparable at least. Better bowling and similar batting. No need to despair, we have the cattle to win if we choose them Your team does not have better bowling. At all. It has Starc and that's it. Zampa and Agar have repeatedly failed to chip out the middle - Rash and Ali get it done more often than people care to think - including a series win over India last year. Archer is a gun, Plunkett and Woakes have all the experience in the world. And you're trying to get 10 overs out of Stoinis or Marsh - with only Maxwell in reserve when England uses Stokes as the 6th option... What's worse - is your ignoring the intl form of these guys as super dominant - and comparing it to domestic... why? The only player that this is needed for is Archer... Until teams, all teams internationally realise what a pest England has become - just how dominant they truly are - noone is going to pick the right teams to beat them... And make no mistake - England is total pest now... Just look at since the last world cup how far ahead of India they are... http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=won;spanmin1=01+Apr+2015;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team6.23 runs per over... and it gets worse if you do it for the past 2 years... Every losing captain says the same thing abut England "they just bat so deep"... They ignore the bowlers are getting it done also while batting deep...
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+xList A average/SR/bowling av/econ 1 Bairstow 40.19/103.3 2. Roy 36.88/105.99 3. Root 48.67/85.07 4 Morgan 38.41/89.7 5. Ben Stokes 35.44/97.35/31.74/5.77 6. Joe Butler 44.51/118.55 7. Moeen Ali 28.91/102.78/41.72/5.31 8 Woakes -23.9/89.93/33.36/5.49 9 Archer - 24/121.51/30.71/5.29 10. Adil Rashid 19.88/90.65/30.38/5.37 11. Liam Plunket 20.30/100.76/30.38/5.52 The team I mentioned is comparable at least. Better bowling and similar batting. No need to despair, we have the cattle to win if we choose them Your team does not have better bowling. At all. It has Starc and that's it. Zampa and Agar have repeatedly failed to chip out the middle - Rash and Ali get it done more often than people care to think - including a series win over India last year. Archer is a gun, Plunkett and Woakes have all the experience in the world. And you're trying to get 10 overs out of Stoinis or Marsh - with only Maxwell in reserve when England uses Stokes as the 6th option... What's worse - is your ignoring the intl form of these guys as super dominant - and comparing it to domestic... why? The only player that this is needed for is Archer... Until teams, all teams internationally realise what a pest England has become - just how dominant they truly are - noone is going to pick the right teams to beat them... And make no mistake - England is total pest now... Just look at since the last world cup how far ahead of India they are... http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=won;spanmin1=01+Apr+2015;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team6.23 runs per over... and it gets worse if you do it for the past 2 years...
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List A average/SR/bowling av/econ
1 Bairstow 40.19/103.3
2. Roy 36.88/105.99
3. Root 48.67/85.07
4 Morgan 38.41/89.7
5. Ben Stokes 35.44/97.35/31.74/5.77
6. Joe Butler 44.51/118.55
7. Moeen Ali 28.91/102.78/41.72/5.31
8 Woakes -23.9/89.93/33.36/5.49
9 Archer - 24/121.51/30.71/5.29
10. Adil Rashid 19.88/90.65/30.38/5.37
11. Liam Plunket 20.30/100.76/30.38/5.52
The team I mentioned is comparable at least. Better bowling and similar batting. No need to despair, we have the cattle to win if we choose them
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny... Whats your answer. Choose hitters like England? Aus don't have hitters like England. Comparing Short to Buttler is like comparing a Bentley to a Lada. Aus don't have allrounders like England neither. And even if Aus did have them - they'd still commit on the best 4 bowler strategy under the current regime that negates the possibility. Aus wants to bring a seam attack as its thing to the World Cup - but Pakistan and SA will do that. India is going to bring its top 3 and spinners. So many spinners (Chahal, Kuldeep, Krunal, Jadhav, Jadeja) where 3 of them bat. They also have Bumrah - the best limited overs bowler in the world - supported by Kumar and Shami as a spare. Pakistan will bring spinners Imad Wasim and Shadhab Khan where they both bat. They have Faheem Ashraf and Hafeez as well. Even when Smith and Warner return - Aus is so far behind in odi cricket now its not funny. There is no sense direction of who is to do what beyond Marsh anchoring. There has been no attempt to get batting into the #8 spot. The gap between India, England, Pakistan - even SA to Aus is growing. I don't think there's a quick fix. Aus never successfully replaced Watson, and never recovered from dropping Faulkner. SA is not a contender for mine at this world cup - they're far too weak compared to Eng and Ind... Nothing has changed for Aus ODI in 2 years now - its still try and score 300 - and lose. It's still a bit of Zampa here, and some Agar there. Its still Lynn in and out. Its still Maxwell as the "best fielder" Aus have. Stoinis does a lot of good - but it aint winning games. Once Australia lifts its fielding standards and gets the allrounders back - then changes of winning fortune are possible. Until then - it's rather sorry play to be totally honest. who is your strongest Oz 11? I don't have one right now - I havnt followed the BBL at all really.. Bailey is shooting the lights out i have heard though? incidentally Steve Smith has been tearing up with the ball in 20-20s surprisingly Perhaps a team of (with list A average/strike rate/ bowling average/ bowling econ) Warner 42.61/98.14 Short 44.50/112.94/40.17/5.85 Smith 45.54/87.21/38.78/5.38 Lynn 36.29/96.55 M Marsh/Stoinis 37.33/92.29/30.05/5.4 OR 35.81/87.11/37.37/5.5 Maxwell 33.25/120.21/38.64/5.38 Faulkner 30.25/91.45/30.36/5.35 Handscomb (wk) 37.05/87.80 Agar 23.19/93.19/34.95/5.05 Starc 14.86/85.34/20.00/4.9 Zampa 16.47/97.39/33.56/5.34 Is a team that consistently challenge England What is England's 1st 11? The England is packed to the hilt with runs and SR... 1 Bairstow averages 50 opening at over 100 sr in odi (spare wicket keeper) 2 Roy averages near 40 at over 100 sr 3 Root averages 50 7th bowling option 4 Morgan avergaes near 40 5 Stokes averages over 50 at over 100 sr in last 2 years 6 6 Buttler averages 40 at well over 100 sr - form middle order player of the world for last 2 years - just destroys teams 7 Ali - averages under 30 but over 100 sr 8 Woakes - averages 27 at sr 90 2 (regularly wins games with the bat) 9 Archer - not yet played odi 1 (but a freak) 10 Rashid - lots of runs 4 (allrounder at domestic) 11 Plunkett - lots of runs or Willey - who has T20 centuries 3 (both these guys are allrounders at domestic where Willey opens the batting) 12 Hales - near 40 at near 100SR They're a complete team... they have a spare allrounder and a spare batsman. They can lose any 2 players easy and still be favourites. I have not even considered Sam Curran as yet... Seriously - if they lost Root and Butler - Bairstow keeps, Hales comes in - and so would possibly Sam Curran... They lose Moeen - they bring Leach in... 6 bowling options not including Root... Every player bar newb Archer has at least 3 FC hundreds... Plunkett has 3 - Rashid about 10 iirc.... Archer averages over 30 in FC.... The bowling and batting gets weaker both if they have to resort to Ball, T Curran or Wood, though... But that should not happen once Archer qualifies... It'd require multiple injuries... Easily the world benchmark... By far the easiest team to watch for entertainment value as well... Its been a pleasure watching them play for the past 3 years... England has one problem - Hales, Roy, Bairstow and Buttler all want to open...
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I think the team I listed is actually better on paper...
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Englands last game had
Jason Roy 36.88/105.99
Alex Hales 38.14/99.18
Joe Root 48.67/85.07
Joe Butler 44.51/118.55
Ben Stokes 35.44/97.35/31.74/5.77
Moeen Ali 28.91/102.78/41.72/5.31
Sam Curran 20.58/84.20/31.3/5.57
Adil Rashid 19.88/90.65/30.38/5.37
Liam Plunket 20.30/100.76/30.38/5.52
Tom Curran 18.88/96.84/26.87/5.62
Mark Wood 6.62/80.91/34.86/5.28
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny... Whats your answer. Choose hitters like England? Aus don't have hitters like England. Comparing Short to Buttler is like comparing a Bentley to a Lada. Aus don't have allrounders like England neither. And even if Aus did have them - they'd still commit on the best 4 bowler strategy under the current regime that negates the possibility. Aus wants to bring a seam attack as its thing to the World Cup - but Pakistan and SA will do that. India is going to bring its top 3 and spinners. So many spinners (Chahal, Kuldeep, Krunal, Jadhav, Jadeja) where 3 of them bat. They also have Bumrah - the best limited overs bowler in the world - supported by Kumar and Shami as a spare. Pakistan will bring spinners Imad Wasim and Shadhab Khan where they both bat. They have Faheem Ashraf and Hafeez as well. Even when Smith and Warner return - Aus is so far behind in odi cricket now its not funny. There is no sense direction of who is to do what beyond Marsh anchoring. There has been no attempt to get batting into the #8 spot. The gap between India, England, Pakistan - even SA to Aus is growing. I don't think there's a quick fix. Aus never successfully replaced Watson, and never recovered from dropping Faulkner. SA is not a contender for mine at this world cup - they're far too weak compared to Eng and Ind... Nothing has changed for Aus ODI in 2 years now - its still try and score 300 - and lose. It's still a bit of Zampa here, and some Agar there. Its still Lynn in and out. Its still Maxwell as the "best fielder" Aus have. Stoinis does a lot of good - but it aint winning games. Once Australia lifts its fielding standards and gets the allrounders back - then changes of winning fortune are possible. Until then - it's rather sorry play to be totally honest. who is your strongest Oz 11? I don't have one right now - I havnt followed the BBL at all really.. Bailey is shooting the lights out i have heard though? incidentally Steve Smith has been tearing up with the ball in 20-20s surprisingly Perhaps a team of (with list A average/strike rate/ bowling average/ bowling econ) Warner 42.61/98.14 Short 44.50/112.94/40.17/5.85 Smith 45.54/87.21/38.78/5.38 Lynn 36.29/96.55 M Marsh/Stoinis 37.33/92.29/30.05/5.4 OR 35.81/87.11/37.37/5.5 Maxwell 33.25/120.21/38.64/5.38 Faulkner 30.25/91.45/30.36/5.35 Handscomb (wk) 37.05/87.80 Agar 23.19/93.19/34.95/5.05 Starc 14.86/85.34/20.00/4.9 Zampa 16.47/97.39/33.56/5.34 Is a team that consistently challenge England What is England's 1st 11?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny... Whats your answer. Choose hitters like England? Aus don't have hitters like England. Comparing Short to Buttler is like comparing a Bentley to a Lada. Aus don't have allrounders like England neither. And even if Aus did have them - they'd still commit on the best 4 bowler strategy under the current regime that negates the possibility. Aus wants to bring a seam attack as its thing to the World Cup - but Pakistan and SA will do that. India is going to bring its top 3 and spinners. So many spinners (Chahal, Kuldeep, Krunal, Jadhav, Jadeja) where 3 of them bat. They also have Bumrah - the best limited overs bowler in the world - supported by Kumar and Shami as a spare. Pakistan will bring spinners Imad Wasim and Shadhab Khan where they both bat. They have Faheem Ashraf and Hafeez as well. Even when Smith and Warner return - Aus is so far behind in odi cricket now its not funny. There is no sense direction of who is to do what beyond Marsh anchoring. There has been no attempt to get batting into the #8 spot. The gap between India, England, Pakistan - even SA to Aus is growing. I don't think there's a quick fix. Aus never successfully replaced Watson, and never recovered from dropping Faulkner. SA is not a contender for mine at this world cup - they're far too weak compared to Eng and Ind... Nothing has changed for Aus ODI in 2 years now - its still try and score 300 - and lose. It's still a bit of Zampa here, and some Agar there. Its still Lynn in and out. Its still Maxwell as the "best fielder" Aus have. Stoinis does a lot of good - but it aint winning games. Once Australia lifts its fielding standards and gets the allrounders back - then changes of winning fortune are possible. Until then - it's rather sorry play to be totally honest. who is your strongest Oz 11? I don't have one right now - I havnt followed the BBL at all really.. Bailey is shooting the lights out i have heard though? https://www.bigbash.com.au/statsTop oz scorers are 1. short 2. Lynn 3. Turner 4. Watson 5. Bailey 6. Wade Biggest bruisers (strike rate with some min number of runs) 1. Daniel Sams 2. George Bailey 3. Max Bryant 4. Josh Phillipe 5. Ben Cutting 6. Marcus Stoinis Honestly its slim pickings part from a couple of potentials there
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny... Whats your answer. Choose hitters like England? Aus don't have hitters like England. Comparing Short to Buttler is like comparing a Bentley to a Lada. Aus don't have allrounders like England neither. And even if Aus did have them - they'd still commit on the best 4 bowler strategy under the current regime that negates the possibility. Aus wants to bring a seam attack as its thing to the World Cup - but Pakistan and SA will do that. India is going to bring its top 3 and spinners. So many spinners (Chahal, Kuldeep, Krunal, Jadhav, Jadeja) where 3 of them bat. They also have Bumrah - the best limited overs bowler in the world - supported by Kumar and Shami as a spare. Pakistan will bring spinners Imad Wasim and Shadhab Khan where they both bat. They have Faheem Ashraf and Hafeez as well. Even when Smith and Warner return - Aus is so far behind in odi cricket now its not funny. There is no sense direction of who is to do what beyond Marsh anchoring. There has been no attempt to get batting into the #8 spot. The gap between India, England, Pakistan - even SA to Aus is growing. I don't think there's a quick fix. Aus never successfully replaced Watson, and never recovered from dropping Faulkner. SA is not a contender for mine at this world cup - they're far too weak compared to Eng and Ind... Nothing has changed for Aus ODI in 2 years now - its still try and score 300 - and lose. It's still a bit of Zampa here, and some Agar there. Its still Lynn in and out. Its still Maxwell as the "best fielder" Aus have. Stoinis does a lot of good - but it aint winning games. Once Australia lifts its fielding standards and gets the allrounders back - then changes of winning fortune are possible. Until then - it's rather sorry play to be totally honest. who is your strongest Oz 11? I don't have one right now - I havnt followed the BBL at all really.. Bailey is shooting the lights out i have heard though?
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