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Marki - 13 Feb 2019 1:37 PM
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Yeah not expecting Souths or Sharks to be a contender but every chance to make finals.

I just think John Morris is too young and too close to the players.

The only coach in recent history to make a successful transition from player to first grade coach is Ivan Clearye. 

Nothing wrong with a youthful coach, I think the NFL Rams coach is 33 and got them to the big dance...
Exactly how are you measuring Clearys success?...
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tony v_2 - 13 Feb 2019 3:56 PM
Reading a story a poster put up on T kBulldogs 2 hook into player market In 2019 so it says Blake bailyJ liddle& a st george nsw cup no 9 calledRobson , i say prrr to the 3 of them hope its A another B s story If anything this team needs another centerId resign new brown to a further 2 year extention As he comes off contrat @ years end & i say he will Come good after his fully fit

Brailey has all the makings of a gun hooker and won't want to get stuck behind his bro... and it's for 2020...
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dman2018 - 13 Feb 2019 4:52 PM
tony v_2 - 13 Feb 2019 3:56 PM

Brailey has all the makings of a gun hooker and won't want to get stuck behind his bro... and it's for 2020...

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dman2018 - 13 Feb 2019 4:52 PM
tony v_2 - 13 Feb 2019 3:56 PM

Brailey has all the makings of a gun hooker and won't want to get stuck behind his bro... and it's for 2020...

Not saying you're wrong re being in the market in 19 for 20 though...
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dman2018 - 13 Feb 2019 4:49 PM
Marki - 13 Feb 2019 1:37 PM

Nothing wrong with a youthful coach, I think the NFL Rams coach is 33 and got them to the big dance...
Exactly how are you measuring Clearys success?...

GF appearance and numerous finals appearances with teams not expected to even come close.

Anyone can coach a team full of stars to finals. Cleary has done it again and again with far less. 

Of all young coaches in the NRL he would be close to the best if not the best. 

I also measure the "pulling power" of the coach. Players want to play under him and move cities, states and even country to play under him. He is either very influential as a coach or he is got some form of Stockholm syndrome going on.
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Marki - 13 Feb 2019 9:16 PM
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GF appearance and numerous finals appearances with teams not expected to even come close.

Anyone can coach a team full of stars to finals. Cleary has done it again and again with far less. 

I remember a much maligned coach who did similar things with a team expected to do little... Maybe even took them to 2 grand finals... 
#goosegander... ;)
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dman2018 - 13 Feb 2019 9:23 PM
Marki - 13 Feb 2019 9:16 PM

I remember a much maligned coach who did similar things with a team expected to do little... Maybe even took them to 2 grand finals... 
#goosegander... ;)

Look Des' record with us is well documented as being a good one.

But I personally didnt like the gameplan at all. 

In my opinion Cleary has achieved as much as Des but also managed to get his teams play attractive football. And this at 3 different clubs.
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Marki - 13 Feb 2019 9:27 PM
dman2018 - 13 Feb 2019 9:23 PM

In my opinion Cleary has achieved as much as Des

Rubbish...
Cleary has done squat technically or otherwise in comparison...
Has coach every year bar one since 2006, 1 GF appearance, 4 finals, never had above a 50% win rate at any club...

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dman2018 - 13 Feb 2019 9:38 PM
Marki - 13 Feb 2019 9:27 PM

Rubbish...
Cleary has done squat technically or otherwise in comparison...
Has coach every year bar one since 2006, 1 GF appearance, 4 finals, never had above a 50% win rate at any club...

I think the difference is that Cleary has had to inherit cellar dwellers with his every move. The exception being this year.

He is a very good coach to rebuild a team very quickly. He hasn't got a GF win so might be judged harshly on that but I maintain that his teams play wonderful footy. 

Both are restarting at clubs they have coached previously this year, so will be an interesting comparison on how they perform. Cleary has the jump in that Penrith are the higher placed team from last year and with the better roster...
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Marki - 14 Feb 2019 7:28 AM
dman2018 - 13 Feb 2019 9:38 PM
 I maintain that his teams play wonderful footy. 

It might be pretty to watch but it leads to a 47% win Raye and doesn't hold up to the rigours of finals footy...
Cleary is a myth...
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Anyone can coach a team full of stars to finals. Cleary has done it again and again with far less. 

Of all young coaches in the NRL he would be close to the best if not the best. 


Cleary is 47 and has been coaching NRL since 2006. Robinson is 41 and has been coaching NRl 2013. Paul Green is 46 and has been coaching NRl since 2014.

Nowhere near the youngest, nowhere near the best.

2019 he has an instant Premiership winning squad. Now we'll see how good or bad he is.


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Zef - 14 Feb 2019 12:47 PM
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Marki - 13 Feb 2019 9:16 PM


Cleary is 47 and has been coaching NRL since 2006. Robinson is 41 and has been coaching NRl 2013. Paul Green is 46 and has been coaching NRl since 2014.

Nowhere near the youngest, nowhere near the best.

2019 he has an instant Premiership winning squad. Now we'll see how good or bad he is.


I can see panthers crashing out in week 2 of finals... Which will no doubt be hailed as a technical premiership cos of their pretty style...
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https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/02/14/schoolboy-skills-rugby-guru-steve-james-teaching-canterbury-bulldogs-to-pass-again/
My fav line...
"I wanted to work on my passing this year," Lichaa tells NRL.com...

My least favourite line...
"It's not just for me, it's for everyone in our team. Kieran Foran's been playing NRL for 10 years and he's showing him things too. 

Jeez this bloke knows how to speak out of school... 

But I'm behind ya this year Lich, let's hope for your careers sake and the Dogs season the passing practice has been worthwhile...

#golich...


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I can't believe his much I hate T20... Almost 4 overs in, and I've turned it off to watch half decade old repeats of spicks and specks...
The sports nut in me has been trumped by the purist...


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Smoke alert on Twitter/FB from one bloke I don't rate at all, another I don't know and the last... meh. But I will say all seem independent of each other and saying the same thing - so take it as you will.

NRL and Police investigation into SC breaches by three high profile clubs.

If something comes of it, remember where you heard it first. If nothing does remember I did say to take it as you will and the first bloke makes up sh.t daily.
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Seems Heaps and co were talking about it on Talkin's Sport, which may be where the Twitter/.FB smoke come from.
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More - and I'm quoting someone who's quoting someone here so keep that in mind...

Heaps said this afternoon "The Sharks are in danger of having their Premiership stripped."
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Zef - 14 Feb 2019 8:22 PM
Seems Heaps and co were talking about it on Talkin's Sport, which may be where the Twitter/.FB smoke come from.

Also discussed on Big Sports Breaky... 
How grand it would be to see the sharks have their title stripped...
Admit to cheating in '15 and '17, but '16 is nothing to see here... How very convenient...
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Zef - 14 Feb 2019 8:16 PM
Smoke alert on Twitter/FB from one bloke I d
NRL and Police investigation into SC breaches by three high profile clubs

Knowing the NRL, it the bulldogs, Canterbury, and bankstown...
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dman2018 - 14 Feb 2019 8:35 PM
Zef - 14 Feb 2019 8:16 PM

Knowing the NRL, it the bulldogs, Canterbury, and bankstown...

Yep,all the other clubs are invisible.

Which is another way of saying irrelevant, or no one gives a toss about them. 

So perhaps the NRL knows people only pay attention to the Dogs.
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Not sure about what you peeps think.... but I hope Pay doesn’t go with JMK on the bench!

It’s a waste of a bench player who may only play 5-15mins, and brings not much more than the person he maybe replacing in Lichaa


Elliott
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Ogden

Would be my bench for Rd1
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Villi - 14 Feb 2019 11:21 PM
Not sure about what you peeps think.... but I hope Pay doesn’t go with JMK on the bench!It’s a waste of a bench player who may only play 5-15mins, and brings not much more than the person he maybe replacing in LichaaElliottSueMartinOgdenWould be my bench for Rd1

Martin will be in the run on team     

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Dean pay is set 2 test reece martin @ no 9
If he can cement & make no 9 in the trails
He may be made permanet hooker
I say smoke screen but reece had been
Training @ this position
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Well Big T.... if that is the case, then JMK definitely has no place on the bench

Not a bad idea, Martin is a good footballer, but CHN & RFM to me offer more
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Villi - 15 Feb 2019 7:47 AM
Well Big T.... if that is the case, then JMK definitely has no place on the benchNot a bad idea, Martin is a good footballer, but CHN & RFM to me offer more

I disagree.
Martin was exceptional in the second row last year. His goal kicking alone makes him a starter.

In my opinion RFM is the one under pressure. While he was good prior to his injury, he had a couple of non stand-out seasons under Des. If he comes back to the pre-injury form, he will make strong claims for a spot. That spot might be the bench. 
If Pay can get Martin into hooker - all good, as long as someone takes over running those diagonal lines into gaps. Could be CHN but recent form suggest that man is Martin.
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tony v_2 - 15 Feb 2019 4:38 AM
Dean pay is set 2 test reece martin @ no 9If he can cement & make no 9 in the trailsHe may be made permanet hooker I say smoke screen but reece had been Training @ this position

The question arises would he be Happy in that position??

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Marki - 15 Feb 2019 8:15 AM
Villi - 15 Feb 2019 7:47 AM

I disagree.
Martin was exceptional in the second row last year. His goal kicking alone makes him a starter.

In my opinion RFM is the one under pressure. While he was good prior to his injury, he had a couple of non stand-out seasons under Des. If he comes back to the pre-injury form, he will make strong claims for a spot. That spot might be the bench. 
If Pay can get Martin into hooker - all good, as long as someone takes over running those diagonal lines into gaps. Could be CHN but recent form suggest that man is Martin.

RFM was clearly playing injured at the back-end of the season, sometimes it isn't fair to judge in that situation.

I had thought of getting Tolman to play a stint at hooker as I see things. 9 Martin/Tolman 14 Lichaa/JMK.

The forward simply plays the first 20 minutes at hooker then the main hooker comes on off the bench, saves carrying a specialist bench hooker, and probably an interchange.  

We do have some good options for the backrow, and I want Martin on the field where possible for goal kicking, That frees Dutchy up to simply be legendary.
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Napa
Martin
Toleman
F marnier
H niera
Jackson

Not a bad pack on paper

Bench

Sue
Falao
Elliett
J m king / lichha / ogden

Not a bad bench very strong bench

Lewis
Foran

Good halfs

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Criten
Meany / cruto



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Hooker role is not someone you can just throw a prop or second rower into... Different skill set, different approach that can't be taught in an off season. Hell, we've got a bloke who has played it all his life and can't get it right...
Its  terrible idea, and if be surprised if it happened...
The Bennett/big Sam idea didn't work nor did the Arthur/brown experiment...
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