If it means the end of Phoenix, there's at least a silver lining.

Maybe ....depends on who controls the votes . If the A-league clubs get the numbers FFA will have zero say in it .Just because something happens in England doesn't mean it will happen that way here.

The clubs might control the league but they wont control what shape an Australian league system operates under, the FFA will. It would be similar to the EPL. Its like saying the EPL might decide to end promotion and relegation.

Depends on what they agree.  I think FFA is still trying to negotiate a veto power as part of the handover.

You mean like the many thousands lost over the last 2 seasons? The way its going there will be nothing left to loose in the next few years

Am I the only one who realizes the FFA will have little power over clubs going forward  ?
If the owners take over the A-league there will be no "franchises" controlled by FFA ...so why are you guys constantly talking as though the FFA counts in this conversation ...am I missing something ?

Fun reading the nuvo new dawners going into meltdown

Or better yet....storm the castle and seize control. Charge! 🤺

There isn't enough for a gold-plated all bells-and-whistles second tier, but there is enough for a low-cost budget league. The sooner we recognise our limits and stop artificially forcing clubs to be at the same level and allow clubs to find their natural equilibrium, the better.  Trying to create an equality of outcome between clubs like Melbourne Victory and CCM is an absurd exercise in futility.

Being honest with ourselves I think the reality is a second division just isn’t financially viable.  Unless it was a run on the cheap it would massive loss making enterprise and the commercial cons would outweigh the pros.  There is barely enough appetite to run a first division let alone a second so I don’t think p&r will be the saviour.

im not sure what the solution is but clubs needs to be run more like tribal communities rather than plastic profit making franchises. WSW were all the goss a few years back, but sure what happened but they seems to make the A league exciting for a while.  Clubs line Newcastle, CCM, Perth etc are just a massive borefest and I’ve basically switched off watching them.  I will also say that the Fox commentary team adds to the boredom and insipidness, they’re like listening to announcements over the PA at Kmart.

Collapsing the A League is just a stupid idea!. It would kill the game and set us back 50 years. Fken stupid thread.

I will definitely go to a few away games on the new high speed rail.

by 2034, i would hope that the countries population would exceed 30 million. and by time that happens i would hope the right infrastructure has been put in place to support it.

the higher the population the better off our clubs will be, thats what i hope anyway

So sounds like a second division next year and pro/rel when achievable, could be 5 or 10 years. People who think we should just bring in a second division with pro/rel next year are deluded, probably better if they do just give up on football.

Maybe in 15 years, oh great lets celebrate, or is it in 25 years, 35, 45?

I hope the league folds.

It is also the shared view of the APFCA membership that a fully-expanded League model must be achieved and sustained before the introduction of promotion and relegation can be considered.

For promotion and relegation to be achieved it is imperative that a second-tier of Australian football is established and evolved in order to create appropriate football and economic proximity between the two tiers.  Only in this way can the second-tier produce promoted clubs with the capacity to compete in the A-League and at the same time receive relegated A-League Clubs without catastrophic economic impact for the relegated club.  The investment and time horizon for achieving a second-tier of this calibre should not be underestimated.  APFCA is committed to playing its part.

Sauce  Still looking for the quote I think from AAFC during vote seeking to remove SLowy 

As I have said, we need a league between the A League and the next level

If the A League wants to be a closed shop then make it the second division and place a league above it. Whichever owners want to be part of an ambitious open tier, let them move up

I love how reports that we are moving to a second division and pro/rel leads those who want a second division and pro/rel to lose their shit.....Australian football, gotta love it.

No, it doesn't need a collapse.

The current club's licences "in theory" run till 2034, however, the FFA has the power to change that. So technically they could shorten the horizon to the next 3 years and say in 3 years time we will be implementing pro/rel. Are you onboard? If not, hand back your licence and we will find a new buyer. 

A fully functioning and self sustaining second division with a plan for promotion to it and relegation from it ,is really the main hope forward.
If this can be achieved then the fear factor diminishes for everyone.
Furthermore it is seen as something desirable and attainable for the whole football community.
In fact it would provide the fan engagement currently lacking.
Small stadiums large stadiums become irrelevant.
Tasmania,Darwin,Ipswich,Wollongong,Sth Melb,Moreton Bay ....etc ...All allowed.Everything based on merit and an ability to balance the books.

HAL teams sitting above and looking down at a successful second division see they can survive a drop.

Lets get that second division going.

So now we can’t trust the AAFC ??????

BURN IT ....

BURN THE LOT TOTHE GROUND ...

ALL OF IT ..... INCLUDING SMFC

😂

I've read that unless they make the quarters it costs them.  And seeing we never even get out of the group it's a big fat loss.
  

Show me a quote from the current owners that says they're for it. 

Krayem who has a vested interest and is not an owner would say anything to push his barrow. 

There's going to be no link mate.  Not now, not ever.  There'll always be an excuse not to do it.  The FFA don't want pro rel and the owners don't want it.  

I am, or I should say I was one of those fans that loved the A-league but I'm done now..  

He said the model they had put together had been embraced by the A-League club owners who, Krayem said, had acknowledged the need for promotion and relegation under FIFA statutes.

The next step is now for stakeholders to work together to set the criteria for promotion and relegation and how to make it work, say the AAFC.

“AAFC is respectful of the A-League owners' issues," said Krayem.

"But as their own chairman says, they face ‘an urgent task’ in addressing declining interest in the competition and ‘bringing excitement back’ to the A-League ahead of the negotiation of the next television deal that is due in 2023.

“What better way to do that than promotion and relegation? After all, it works well in England, Germany, France, Spain, Italy and elsewhere"

He added: “As successful businessmen, we’re sure the A-League club owners can see that it makes sense.

https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/new-second-division-by-2020-promotion-and-relegation-to-follow-522906

That's not entirely accurate. Each club gets US$60k per stage (group, round of 16, quarters, etc) for travel expenses. They then get US$50K for every win and US$10K for every draw. If they make it to the round of 16 they get an addition US$100K. Then another US$150K for the quarters, and US$250K for the semis. The winner of the whole thing gets US$4M and the runner up gets US$2M.
The stadium fees could hurt a bit as they don't get the ticket sales to make it worth while. However, considering we don't typically do that well in the comp I doubt any club has ever really been out of pocket that much. It's more that we don't have the capacity to actually be genuinely competitive any more.

Who is going to pay to broadcast this new league, or does your new fantasy league not need broadcast revenue?

And what do we do with the thousands of fans who will be lost to the game if someone says nope, your team doesn't exist anymore. 

Burning everything to the ground again is only going to set us further back. We need to link the old and the new to move forward. 

Which is why it needs to collapse.

reminds me of when we were in the school yard trying to pick fair teams with school kids and someone always complained the teams are not fair