Collapsing the A League is just a stupid idea!. It would kill the game and set us back 50 years. Fken stupid thread.

Being honest with ourselves I think the reality is a second division just isn’t financially viable.  Unless it was a run on the cheap it would massive loss making enterprise and the commercial cons would outweigh the pros.  There is barely enough appetite to run a first division let alone a second so I don’t think p&r will be the saviour.

im not sure what the solution is but clubs needs to be run more like tribal communities rather than plastic profit making franchises. WSW were all the goss a few years back, but sure what happened but they seems to make the A league exciting for a while.  Clubs line Newcastle, CCM, Perth etc are just a massive borefest and I’ve basically switched off watching them.  I will also say that the Fox commentary team adds to the boredom and insipidness, they’re like listening to announcements over the PA at Kmart.

There isn't enough for a gold-plated all bells-and-whistles second tier, but there is enough for a low-cost budget league. The sooner we recognise our limits and stop artificially forcing clubs to be at the same level and allow clubs to find their natural equilibrium, the better.  Trying to create an equality of outcome between clubs like Melbourne Victory and CCM is an absurd exercise in futility.

Or better yet....storm the castle and seize control. Charge! 🤺

Fun reading the nuvo new dawners going into meltdown

Am I the only one who realizes the FFA will have little power over clubs going forward  ?
If the owners take over the A-league there will be no "franchises" controlled by FFA ...so why are you guys constantly talking as though the FFA counts in this conversation ...am I missing something ?

You mean like the many thousands lost over the last 2 seasons? The way its going there will be nothing left to loose in the next few years

Depends on what they agree.  I think FFA is still trying to negotiate a veto power as part of the handover.

The clubs might control the league but they wont control what shape an Australian league system operates under, the FFA will. It would be similar to the EPL. Its like saying the EPL might decide to end promotion and relegation.

Maybe ....depends on who controls the votes . If the A-league clubs get the numbers FFA will have zero say in it .Just because something happens in England doesn't mean it will happen that way here.

If it means the end of Phoenix, there's at least a silver lining.

Just like collapsing the NSL did ... oh wait.

I think the FFA still have to verify the league.  Dropping something like that may cause them not to ratify the league making it a break away. 

I know that div 2 in the USA had to be ratified by the USSF during the NASL/USL fight.  Even though USSF had no say in how either league was run.  

Use it tok skip past the stadium and go to the many wonderful bars and restaurants open after 9pm.

Correct, the FFA is the FIFA & AFC recognised governing body of Football in Australia and they ratify the league to comply with AFC & FIFA statutes. 

The AAFC/APFCA/PFA etc. are operational organisations that control/will control the running of certain aspects of the game in Australia be it the league(s), players union etc. 

I would be more inclined to try and catch some of Melbourne's famed alcohol-fueled violence(so maybe catch an AFL match) and then see if I can see some gang violence after.

You know, when in Rome and all that.

should we get someone from overseas to run the a league? 

tbh, I'm in the same boat as Muz - I just don't care anymore. There is zero appetite from the decision makers to implement anything close to a global standard for football in this country. I just don't understand how anyone can stand there and, with a straight face, tell me that the decisions that have been made over the last 15 or so years have been in the game's best interests.

Plenty of Aussies support clubs of varying sizes around the world - how many people support Leeds in this country, a team that hasn't played top flight football for almost 20 years? NPL clubs aren't all of a sudden becoming extinct because they get relegated from NPL1 to NPL2 in the leagues around the country.

For those people whinging about how they won't have a team if the A-League goes bust - newsflash, unless you live in the inner suburbs of Melbourne or Sydney, the FFA isn't interested in you anyway. At least in an open league structure there is the opportunity for an extremely well run club from a regional centre to make it to the big time - little old Bournemouth, with a population of ~185k people, seems to be doing alright against the mega rich oligarchies from Manchester, Liverpool and London.

We're unique alright - unique in that we think we know better than the rest of the world, yet continue to cock it up. You just have to look at the jingoism that sprouts up every Olympics when we don't win every medal in the pool - we're the best swimmers in the world after all, how on Earth can we be beaten by swimmers from China, USA, Holland etc etc. It must be steroids!

I'm seriously jaded, and I say that as a platinum Victory member - I've put my money where my mouth is and have supported the game at both the lowest and highest levels, and I'm left with this dumpster fire.

Did you vote for Gladys over the weekend?

Socialist alliance but I put the Libs above Labor, at least that we get things built.

Gotta build it to sell it off rofl

-PB

Im on the same boat, the product has gotten stale eventually after promising good years early on, but with poor planning for expansion and the FFA ignoring building the next the tier we are here.

It's very difficult to have a closed league when the bottom have nothing to play for, how could they keep it up with the same way if its not exciting enough.

A league is strong as it's bottom teams, without consequence it becomes mediocre. 

After my time traveling around the world and see where football sits here, it does feel like football is at the arse end of the world for it unfortunately. 

Maybe so .... but I doubt the "franchise" system will still exist in its current form. Depends upon whether the owners want it .Its all speculation until something is announced anyway.
BTW.... I believe those FIFA and AFC statutes we have to comply with specify there should be Promotion and Relegation etc .....

They do specify it (AFC) in their statutes however they also say that granting licences to promoted clubs may also depend on financial/infrastructure issues that are to be reviewed and ratified by the organisation that controls the league [APFCA or some other conglomerate]. 

So the future make-up of the independent league body may veto any pro/rel statute on the basis of the business case not stacking up. This will, in turn, cause another shit-fight / revolt by the organisation representing the Div 2 and below [AAFC] arguing that the opposite is true and that the AFC/FIFA step in. 

The "cycle of violence" cannot be disrupted until the APFCA & AAFC see eye-to-eye or a separate independent body devoid of vested interests takes control of the HAL. 

I have no issue with the HAL being set-up similarly to the EPL, but the issue is power in numbers. The EPL has 20 foundational club members who each can vote on rule changes, with a 2/3rds majority ruling the day. 

agree. ridiculous thread.


how can anyone who votes for the socialists preference the Libs above Labor? Geez. 

That's what I was wondering.  I had Socialist Alliance first then Labour.  

Boom!

Agree.

Daley is a racist, NSW Labor are shit, I want a new stadium, I believe in progressive capitalism and social equality, this best balances my ideals. If Labor want my vote they will need to be more progressive, have a bolder vision of development, infrastructure and technology, research etc. The reality is that after development and infrastructure ground to a halt in NSW, Gladys has got it moving again and you can see it everywhere, metros, light rail, roads, stadiums, hospitals, high density city living, airports, hospitals, museums. The only things I don't like are the lockout laws and festivals laws but they will sort themselves out once the culture(toxic masculinity) in NSW sorts itself out. 

Socialism is great but you still need to be able to pay for it.

Weird that the opposite is true for Victoria. Labor is the infrastructure leaders down here. 


I don't think the FFA can have veto power over the HAL if they are to comply with AFC statutes. 

The EPL clubs had the opportunity to make it a closed system and voted against it as they recognised that it would result in the financial collapse of the EPL.