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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe bitters can't back their argument up with fact. Like alcoholics they believe in what each other say and pat themselves on the back. Well here are some facts..... At their peak, most broad based clubs provided the highest attendance figures. Not one mono ethnic vs mono ethic club produced crowds in a grand final like the broadbased clubs did when they were involved. Not even SM Hellas. Brisbane Strikers being the first to kick off what true potential football had with their capacity crowd at Suncorp. Who can forget that. But hey, let's pretend that millions and billions follow these mono ethnic clubs instead of learning from their mistakes of insularity. that's probably true, but so what? aren't we all sick of these plastic franchises chasing more non-football people to watch them? how about we get back to having clubs followed by passionate football people? let's stop trying to pretend we're the AFL Except that we now have franchises followed by passionate football people, who are more passionate about football than the followers of the NPL clubs. Did you use an official FFA Passion Meter to makee this call?  So is passion for an a league team a crime now? No, just wandering how you measure it to be able to make comparison on which league is more passionate Well apparently the a league haters can gauge how passionate a league fans are, despite not going to a game for several seasons. yeah, hear ya, but old mate markfromcroydon (a well know HAL fanboy) was the one making the passion comparison It's clear that HAL followers follow football and have a passion for the sport. I'm not sure how many followers of NPL clubs actually follow the sport of football and actually have a passion for the game. And the award for the most stupid comment this year goes to Mark from croydon, congratulations. You haven’t been able to point to anything factually incorrect in my post, yet your feelings are hurt by the truth. It’s o.k, I get it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]The bitters can't back their argument up with fact. Like alcoholics they believe in what each other say and pat themselves on the back. Well here are some facts..... At their peak, most broad based clubs provided the highest attendance figures. Not one mono ethnic vs mono ethic club produced crowds in a grand final like the broadbased clubs did when they were involved. Not even SM Hellas. Brisbane Strikers being the first to kick off what true potential football had with their capacity crowd at Suncorp. Who can forget that. But hey, let's pretend that millions and billions follow these mono ethnic clubs instead of learning from their mistakes of insularity. that's probably true, but so what? aren't we all sick of these plastic franchises chasing more non-football people to watch them? how about we get back to having clubs followed by passionate football people? let's stop trying to pretend we're the AFL Except that we now have franchises followed by passionate football people, who are more passionate about football than the followers of the NPL clubs. Did you use an official FFA Passion Meter to makee this call? So is passion for an a league team a crime now? No, just wandering how you measure it to be able to make comparison on which league is more passionate Well apparently the a league haters can gauge how passionate a league fans are, despite not going to a game for several seasons. yeah, hear ya, but old mate markfromcroydon (a well know HAL fanboy) was the one making the passion comparison It's actually easy to measure. HAL clubs have been set up expressly for the purpose of having football teams play football. They are not social clubs, or clubs whose main activities don't encompass football. It's pretty good bet that if you follow a HAL club, you do so BECAUSE you like football and want to watch football being played. In other words, you have a passion for this particular sport we call football. Enough passion in fact that you've joined or started to follow a club that doesn't give you other non football activities, and that hasn't been around long enough that you're just joining because your parents or grandparents did. This means we have large crowds and large amounts of people watching the game. Contrast that with NPL clubs. You know, clubs that have much lower crowds and much less people watching the game. Clubs that include many social clubs whose primary focus is to promote the cultural identity of the founders of the club, and who just by chance happen to also field football team, although for many of the members of those clubs care it might as well be an Aussie Rules or Rugby League team. Why, even recently a poster on this forum from an NPL club wrote how 3 of his mates had ditched watching a football match because they preferred to go and watch an Aussie Rules match instead. It seems that many NPL supporters only support the social club due to either a family tradition, or to enjoy the other activities the clubs offer. eg hospitality, gaming, social events etc. It's clear that HAL followers follow football and have a passion for the sport. I'm not sure how many followers of NPL clubs actually follow the sport of football and actually have a passion for the game. Bill sums it up pretty well 
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe bitters can't back their argument up with fact. Like alcoholics they believe in what each other say and pat themselves on the back. Well here are some facts..... At their peak, most broad based clubs provided the highest attendance figures. Not one mono ethnic vs mono ethic club produced crowds in a grand final like the broadbased clubs did when they were involved. Not even SM Hellas. Brisbane Strikers being the first to kick off what true potential football had with their capacity crowd at Suncorp. Who can forget that. But hey, let's pretend that millions and billions follow these mono ethnic clubs instead of learning from their mistakes of insularity. that's probably true, but so what? aren't we all sick of these plastic franchises chasing more non-football people to watch them? how about we get back to having clubs followed by passionate football people? let's stop trying to pretend we're the AFL Except that we now have franchises followed by passionate football people, who are more passionate about football than the followers of the NPL clubs. Did you use an official FFA Passion Meter to makee this call? So is passion for an a league team a crime now? No, just wandering how you measure it to be able to make comparison on which league is more passionate Well apparently the a league haters can gauge how passionate a league fans are, despite not going to a game for several seasons. yeah, hear ya, but old mate markfromcroydon (a well know HAL fanboy) was the one making the passion comparison It's clear that HAL followers follow football and have a passion for the sport. I'm not sure how many followers of NPL clubs actually follow the sport of football and actually have a passion for the game. And the award for the most stupid comment this year goes to Mark from croydon, congratulations. You haven’t been able to point to anything factually incorrect in my post, yet your feelings are hurt by the truth. It’s o.k, I get it. It seems you don't get it, one does not need to point out something is incorrect when someone is using their opinion as facts, so there is nothing factual about what you said, I simply congratulated you on being stupid, feelings never came into it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe bitters can't back their argument up with fact. Like alcoholics they believe in what each other say and pat themselves on the back. Well here are some facts..... At their peak, most broad based clubs provided the highest attendance figures. Not one mono ethnic vs mono ethic club produced crowds in a grand final like the broadbased clubs did when they were involved. Not even SM Hellas. Brisbane Strikers being the first to kick off what true potential football had with their capacity crowd at Suncorp. Who can forget that. But hey, let's pretend that millions and billions follow these mono ethnic clubs instead of learning from their mistakes of insularity. that's probably true, but so what? aren't we all sick of these plastic franchises chasing more non-football people to watch them? how about we get back to having clubs followed by passionate football people? let's stop trying to pretend we're the AFL Except that we now have franchises followed by passionate football people, who are more passionate about football than the followers of the NPL clubs. Did you use an official FFA Passion Meter to makee this call? So is passion for an a league team a crime now? No, just wandering how you measure it to be able to make comparison on which league is more passionate Well apparently the a league haters can gauge how passionate a league fans are, despite not going to a game for several seasons. yeah, hear ya, but old mate markfromcroydon (a well know HAL fanboy) was the one making the passion comparison It's clear that HAL followers follow football and have a passion for the sport. I'm not sure how many followers of NPL clubs actually follow the sport of football and actually have a passion for the game. And the award for the most stupid comment this year goes to Mark from croydon, congratulations. 2013 - "we have da best support in the country, we bleed 4 dis club and take da passion to a new level. look we even have 500 fans at da power chair game - 4eva red n black!!" 2019 - "da a league sux lel. I hope it fails and the franchises fold. Anyone who still follows an a league franchise is pathetic"..
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe bitters can't back their argument up with fact. Like alcoholics they believe in what each other say and pat themselves on the back. Well here are some facts..... At their peak, most broad based clubs provided the highest attendance figures. Not one mono ethnic vs mono ethic club produced crowds in a grand final like the broadbased clubs did when they were involved. Not even SM Hellas. Brisbane Strikers being the first to kick off what true potential football had with their capacity crowd at Suncorp. Who can forget that. But hey, let's pretend that millions and billions follow these mono ethnic clubs instead of learning from their mistakes of insularity. that's probably true, but so what? aren't we all sick of these plastic franchises chasing more non-football people to watch them? how about we get back to having clubs followed by passionate football people? let's stop trying to pretend we're the AFL Except that we now have franchises followed by passionate football people, who are more passionate about football than the followers of the NPL clubs. Did you use an official FFA Passion Meter to makee this call? So is passion for an a league team a crime now? No, just wandering how you measure it to be able to make comparison on which league is more passionate Well apparently the a league haters can gauge how passionate a league fans are, despite not going to a game for several seasons. yeah, hear ya, but old mate markfromcroydon (a well know HAL fanboy) was the one making the passion comparison Clubs that include many social clubs whose primary focus is to promote the cultural identity of the founders of the club, and who just by chance happen to also field football team, although for many of the members of those clubs care it might as well be an Aussie Rules or Rugby League team. This is actually the dumbest thing I ever read on this forum. And by a long bloody way too.
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+x+xstarting to realise this forum is full of bitters full of negative bullshit. I dont mind when it leads to some constructive criticism. 90% of it isnt that at all, just immature quips from "woke" football hipsters like the select few. C'mon we are all just tryna have a good time here
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe bitters can't back their argument up with fact. Like alcoholics they believe in what each other say and pat themselves on the back. Well here are some facts..... At their peak, most broad based clubs provided the highest attendance figures. Not one mono ethnic vs mono ethic club produced crowds in a grand final like the broadbased clubs did when they were involved. Not even SM Hellas. Brisbane Strikers being the first to kick off what true potential football had with their capacity crowd at Suncorp. Who can forget that. But hey, let's pretend that millions and billions follow these mono ethnic clubs instead of learning from their mistakes of insularity. that's probably true, but so what? aren't we all sick of these plastic franchises chasing more non-football people to watch them? how about we get back to having clubs followed by passionate football people? let's stop trying to pretend we're the AFL Except that we now have franchises followed by passionate football people, who are more passionate about football than the followers of the NPL clubs. Did you use an official FFA Passion Meter to makee this call? So is passion for an a league team a crime now? No, just wandering how you measure it to be able to make comparison on which league is more passionate Well apparently the a league haters can gauge how passionate a league fans are, despite not going to a game for several seasons. yeah, hear ya, but old mate markfromcroydon (a well know HAL fanboy) was the one making the passion comparison It's clear that HAL followers follow football and have a passion for the sport. I'm not sure how many followers of NPL clubs actually follow the sport of football and actually have a passion for the game. And the award for the most stupid comment this year goes to Mark from croydon, congratulations. 2013 - "we have da best support in the country, we bleed 4 dis club and take da passion to a new level. look we even have 500 fans at da power chair game - 4eva red n black!!" 2019 - "da a league sux lel. I hope it fails and the franchises fold. Anyone who still follows an a league franchise is pathetic".. The fact of the matter is without those fans, the aleague has been visibly dying. Just because and extra 2k gazza and shazzas rocked up to Perth on the weekend it has added nothing to the atmosphere of the game.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAOK, I was referring to SMFC having an average of 9 to 10K average crowds. The NSL had 14 teams and some of the teams had averages of 3K. Crowds were never a metric. The only thing that mattered was the performance on the ground. This is what we need to go back to. A crowd of 3K is fantastic for a grassroots club. They are the SMFC crowds. No they are not. You just posted random numbers. Nothing that actually shows they are SMFC average crowds. Also, SMFC actually did average 9 to 10K per game in the last seasons of the NSL, apart from the very last season where it averaged 7300 per game. Are you a 5 year old child? They are the SMFC actual home crowds taken from a reputable source I provided to you via a link. I have told you this several times. Here is the link again | 1977 | 1978 | 1979 | 1987 | 1996/97 | | AGG | 67187 | 95478 | 78400 | 31017 | 88001 | | AVE | 5168 | 7344 | 6031 | 2585 | 7333 |
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/NSL/NSL.shtmlThe site records every game that was played in the NSL along with team sheets and crowds. Unless you have an actual source that contradicts those numbers STFU. You are the modern bitter personified, You ignore facts and have been trying to build a bullshit narrative to support your hate of the HAL. No they are not. You keep posting a link to the main page but nothing is telling me they are the SMFC crowds. Please provide the evidence. SMFC, had an average crowd of 7K in the final season but they were averaging 9 to 10K Average attendance for South's games for the last 3 seasons of the NSL were:- 2001/2 - 6,012 (NSL attendance - 5,666) 2002/3 - 4,963 (NSL attendance - 3,853) 2003/4 - 6,832 (NSL attendance - 4,121) Interestingly during this period South were the only one of the "traditional" NSL clubs that approached the averages that the new city based teams got. These teams were Perth, Adelaide, Newcastle and a little earlier Northern Spirit. Source OzFootball. That's not true, You are again pulling numbers from your Ass. Where is your link?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAOK, I was referring to SMFC having an average of 9 to 10K average crowds. The NSL had 14 teams and some of the teams had averages of 3K. Crowds were never a metric. The only thing that mattered was the performance on the ground. This is what we need to go back to. A crowd of 3K is fantastic for a grassroots club. They are the SMFC crowds. No they are not. You just posted random numbers. Nothing that actually shows they are SMFC average crowds. Also, SMFC actually did average 9 to 10K per game in the last seasons of the NSL, apart from the very last season where it averaged 7300 per game. Are you a 5 year old child? They are the SMFC actual home crowds taken from a reputable source I provided to you via a link. I have told you this several times. Here is the link again | 1977 | 1978 | 1979 | 1987 | 1996/97 | | AGG | 67187 | 95478 | 78400 | 31017 | 88001 | | AVE | 5168 | 7344 | 6031 | 2585 | 7333 |
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/NSL/NSL.shtmlThe site records every game that was played in the NSL along with team sheets and crowds. Unless you have an actual source that contradicts those numbers STFU. You are the modern bitter personified, You ignore facts and have been trying to build a bullshit narrative to support your hate of the HAL. No they are not. You keep posting a link to the main page but nothing is telling me they are the SMFC crowds. Please provide the evidence. SMFC, had an average crowd of 7K in the final season but they were averaging 9 to 10K The "evidence" you are looking for is right there. Each game played throughout every NSL season is there, with squads, scores and crowd numbers. You simply need to go to each season and use a a spreadsheet to calculate the averages (you do know what a spreadsheet and average is don't you). Now that I have provided the "evidence", how about you provide a source for the crowd numbers you are basing all your arguments on. This will be an interesting exercise. Yes every game but I don't see an average. All I see is you cherry picking and saying SMFC never achieved 9 to 10K average when they definitely did.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe bitters can't back their argument up with fact. Like alcoholics they believe in what each other say and pat themselves on the back. Well here are some facts..... At their peak, most broad based clubs provided the highest attendance figures. Not one mono ethnic vs mono ethic club produced crowds in a grand final like the broadbased clubs did when they were involved. Not even SM Hellas. Brisbane Strikers being the first to kick off what true potential football had with their capacity crowd at Suncorp. Who can forget that. But hey, let's pretend that millions and billions follow these mono ethnic clubs instead of learning from their mistakes of insularity. that's probably true, but so what? aren't we all sick of these plastic franchises chasing more non-football people to watch them? how about we get back to having clubs followed by passionate football people? let's stop trying to pretend we're the AFL Except that we now have franchises followed by passionate football people, who are more passionate about football than the followers of the NPL clubs. Did you use an official FFA Passion Meter to makee this call? So is passion for an a league team a crime now? No, just wandering how you measure it to be able to make comparison on which league is more passionate Well apparently the a league haters can gauge how passionate a league fans are, despite not going to a game for several seasons. yeah, hear ya, but old mate markfromcroydon (a well know HAL fanboy) was the one making the passion comparison It's actually easy to measure. HAL clubs have been set up expressly for the purpose of having football teams play football. They are not social clubs, or clubs whose main activities don't encompass football. It's pretty good bet that if you follow a HAL club, you do so BECAUSE you like football and want to watch football being played. In other words, you have a passion for this particular sport we call football. Enough passion in fact that you've joined or started to follow a club that doesn't give you other non football activities, and that hasn't been around long enough that you're just joining because your parents or grandparents did. This means we have large crowds and large amounts of people watching the game. Contrast that with NPL clubs. You know, clubs that have much lower crowds and much less people watching the game. Clubs that include many social clubs whose primary focus is to promote the cultural identity of the founders of the club, and who just by chance happen to also field football team, although for many of the members of those clubs care it might as well be an Aussie Rules or Rugby League team. Why, even recently a poster on this forum from an NPL club wrote how 3 of his mates had ditched watching a football match because they preferred to go and watch an Aussie Rules match instead. It seems that many NPL supporters only support the social club due to either a family tradition, or to enjoy the other activities the clubs offer. eg hospitality, gaming, social events etc. It's clear that HAL followers follow football and have a passion for the sport. I'm not sure how many followers of NPL clubs actually follow the sport of football and actually have a passion for the game. The average npl follower is likely to watch dozens and dozens of games over the course of winter. To say they dont love the sport is ridiculous. They follow it when the average hal follower has returned to watching afl and nrl. I've already watched 15 npl games and its only 7 rounds in, chuck in numerous lower state league matches, womens games and juniors, chances are ive taken in more football in the space of a month than the average hal fan does in over a year. I've passed through 20 social clubs already and it hasnt diminished my experiencs. Your overall eg is ultimately comparing larger top tier crowds to significantly lower state level crowds. In other words its like saying fans of the afl love the sport more then fans who follow the vfl or a local footy team. Its a nonsense claim. This is very true. The NPL are the most diehard Soccer fanatics we have in Australia.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAOK, I was referring to SMFC having an average of 9 to 10K average crowds. The NSL had 14 teams and some of the teams had averages of 3K. Crowds were never a metric. The only thing that mattered was the performance on the ground. This is what we need to go back to. A crowd of 3K is fantastic for a grassroots club. They are the SMFC crowds. No they are not. You just posted random numbers. Nothing that actually shows they are SMFC average crowds. Also, SMFC actually did average 9 to 10K per game in the last seasons of the NSL, apart from the very last season where it averaged 7300 per game. Are you a 5 year old child? They are the SMFC actual home crowds taken from a reputable source I provided to you via a link. I have told you this several times. Here is the link again | 1977 | 1978 | 1979 | 1987 | 1996/97 | | AGG | 67187 | 95478 | 78400 | 31017 | 88001 | | AVE | 5168 | 7344 | 6031 | 2585 | 7333 |
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/NSL/NSL.shtmlThe site records every game that was played in the NSL along with team sheets and crowds. Unless you have an actual source that contradicts those numbers STFU. You are the modern bitter personified, You ignore facts and have been trying to build a bullshit narrative to support your hate of the HAL. No they are not. You keep posting a link to the main page but nothing is telling me they are the SMFC crowds. Please provide the evidence. SMFC, had an average crowd of 7K in the final season but they were averaging 9 to 10K The "evidence" you are looking for is right there. Each game played throughout every NSL season is there, with squads, scores and crowd numbers. You simply need to go to each season and use a a spreadsheet to calculate the averages (you do know what a spreadsheet and average is don't you). Now that I have provided the "evidence", how about you provide a source for the crowd numbers you are basing all your arguments on. This will be an interesting exercise. Yes every game but I don't see an average. All I see is you cherry picking and saying SMFC never achieved 9 to 10K average when they definitely did. If anyone is cherry picking it's you completely ignoring his advice of working the average out yourself. Yikes.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAOK, I was referring to SMFC having an average of 9 to 10K average crowds. The NSL had 14 teams and some of the teams had averages of 3K. Crowds were never a metric. The only thing that mattered was the performance on the ground. This is what we need to go back to. A crowd of 3K is fantastic for a grassroots club. They are the SMFC crowds. No they are not. You just posted random numbers. Nothing that actually shows they are SMFC average crowds. Also, SMFC actually did average 9 to 10K per game in the last seasons of the NSL, apart from the very last season where it averaged 7300 per game. Are you a 5 year old child? They are the SMFC actual home crowds taken from a reputable source I provided to you via a link. I have told you this several times. Here is the link again | 1977 | 1978 | 1979 | 1987 | 1996/97 | | AGG | 67187 | 95478 | 78400 | 31017 | 88001 | | AVE | 5168 | 7344 | 6031 | 2585 | 7333 |
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/NSL/NSL.shtmlThe site records every game that was played in the NSL along with team sheets and crowds. Unless you have an actual source that contradicts those numbers STFU. You are the modern bitter personified, You ignore facts and have been trying to build a bullshit narrative to support your hate of the HAL. No they are not. You keep posting a link to the main page but nothing is telling me they are the SMFC crowds. Please provide the evidence. SMFC, had an average crowd of 7K in the final season but they were averaging 9 to 10K The "evidence" you are looking for is right there. Each game played throughout every NSL season is there, with squads, scores and crowd numbers. You simply need to go to each season and use a a spreadsheet to calculate the averages (you do know what a spreadsheet and average is don't you). Now that I have provided the "evidence", how about you provide a source for the crowd numbers you are basing all your arguments on. This will be an interesting exercise. Yes every game but I don't see an average. All I see is you cherry picking and saying SMFC never achieved 9 to 10K average when they definitely did. If anyone is cherry picking it's you completely ignoring his advice of working the average out yourself. Yikes. Why would I do that. I don't have the time. All I have is the memory as a very avid NSL follower. SMFC had a good supporter base but they were also fickle too. If they were bottom, they would have low crowds, but if they were doing well, they average 9 to 10K and that was in a very hostile environment too with less marketing and exposure. SMFC were always recognized as the second highest in terms of support behind PG at the time that had bigger crowds in the NSL than it does today.
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Yeah you might have sourced statistics but I have memories from over 20 years ago , checkmate.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAOK, I was referring to SMFC having an average of 9 to 10K average crowds. The NSL had 14 teams and some of the teams had averages of 3K. Crowds were never a metric. The only thing that mattered was the performance on the ground. This is what we need to go back to. A crowd of 3K is fantastic for a grassroots club. They are the SMFC crowds. No they are not. You just posted random numbers. Nothing that actually shows they are SMFC average crowds. Also, SMFC actually did average 9 to 10K per game in the last seasons of the NSL, apart from the very last season where it averaged 7300 per game. Are you a 5 year old child? They are the SMFC actual home crowds taken from a reputable source I provided to you via a link. I have told you this several times. Here is the link again | 1977 | 1978 | 1979 | 1987 | 1996/97 | | AGG | 67187 | 95478 | 78400 | 31017 | 88001 | | AVE | 5168 | 7344 | 6031 | 2585 | 7333 |
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/NSL/NSL.shtmlThe site records every game that was played in the NSL along with team sheets and crowds. Unless you have an actual source that contradicts those numbers STFU. You are the modern bitter personified, You ignore facts and have been trying to build a bullshit narrative to support your hate of the HAL. No they are not. You keep posting a link to the main page but nothing is telling me they are the SMFC crowds. Please provide the evidence. SMFC, had an average crowd of 7K in the final season but they were averaging 9 to 10K The "evidence" you are looking for is right there. Each game played throughout every NSL season is there, with squads, scores and crowd numbers. You simply need to go to each season and use a a spreadsheet to calculate the averages (you do know what a spreadsheet and average is don't you). Now that I have provided the "evidence", how about you provide a source for the crowd numbers you are basing all your arguments on. This will be an interesting exercise. Yes every game but I don't see an average. All I see is you cherry picking and saying SMFC never achieved 9 to 10K average when they definitely did. If anyone is cherry picking it's you completely ignoring his advice of working the average out yourself. Yikes. Why would I do that. I don't have the time.All I have is the memory as a very avid NSL follower. SMFC had a good supporter base but they were also fickle too. If they were bottom, they would have low crowds, but if they were doing well, they average 9 to 10K and that was in a very hostile environment too with less marketing and exposure. SMFC were always recognized as the second highest in terms of support behind PG at the time that had bigger crowds in the NSL than it does today. You don't have the time to input 13 or so numbers per season into a spreadsheet to cacluale an average but you have the time to post over 1500 posts about a league you hate? It appears that we can add innumerate to the host of other afflictions that have beset you. As far as recollections go, I also have the memory of a fan of football that watched the NSL, and I can confirm that the numbers on the website look legitimate. I have now cited a legitimate source and my own memory to counter your nonsensical claims. You have referenced nothing other than a spambot's memory. Congrats, you are correct. Any other facts you would like to enlighten us with? Is the earth flat? Did it snow in Darwin yesterday? Feel free to spam away and claim whatever you like. You claim to remember it, therefore it is true.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAOK, I was referring to SMFC having an average of 9 to 10K average crowds. The NSL had 14 teams and some of the teams had averages of 3K. Crowds were never a metric. The only thing that mattered was the performance on the ground. This is what we need to go back to. A crowd of 3K is fantastic for a grassroots club. They are the SMFC crowds. No they are not. You just posted random numbers. Nothing that actually shows they are SMFC average crowds. Also, SMFC actually did average 9 to 10K per game in the last seasons of the NSL, apart from the very last season where it averaged 7300 per game. Are you a 5 year old child? They are the SMFC actual home crowds taken from a reputable source I provided to you via a link. I have told you this several times. Here is the link again | 1977 | 1978 | 1979 | 1987 | 1996/97 | | AGG | 67187 | 95478 | 78400 | 31017 | 88001 | | AVE | 5168 | 7344 | 6031 | 2585 | 7333 |
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/NSL/NSL.shtmlThe site records every game that was played in the NSL along with team sheets and crowds. Unless you have an actual source that contradicts those numbers STFU. You are the modern bitter personified, You ignore facts and have been trying to build a bullshit narrative to support your hate of the HAL. No they are not. You keep posting a link to the main page but nothing is telling me they are the SMFC crowds. Please provide the evidence. SMFC, had an average crowd of 7K in the final season but they were averaging 9 to 10K The "evidence" you are looking for is right there. Each game played throughout every NSL season is there, with squads, scores and crowd numbers. You simply need to go to each season and use a a spreadsheet to calculate the averages (you do know what a spreadsheet and average is don't you). Now that I have provided the "evidence", how about you provide a source for the crowd numbers you are basing all your arguments on. This will be an interesting exercise. Yes every game but I don't see an average. All I see is you cherry picking and saying SMFC never achieved 9 to 10K average when they definitely did. If anyone is cherry picking it's you completely ignoring his advice of working the average out yourself. Yikes. Why would I do that. I don't have the time.All I have is the memory as a very avid NSL follower. SMFC had a good supporter base but they were also fickle too. If they were bottom, they would have low crowds, but if they were doing well, they average 9 to 10K and that was in a very hostile environment too with less marketing and exposure. SMFC were always recognized as the second highest in terms of support behind PG at the time that had bigger crowds in the NSL than it does today. You don't have the time to input 13 or so numbers per season into a spreadsheet to cacluale an average but you have the time to post over 1500 posts about a league you hate? It appears that we can add innumerate to the host of other afflictions that have beset you. As far as recollections go, I also have the memory of a fan of football that watched the NSL, and I can confirm that the numbers on the website look legitimate. I have now cited a legitimate source and my own memory to counter your nonsensical claims. You have referenced nothing other than a spambot's memory. Congrats, you are correct. Any other facts you would like to enlighten us with? Is the earth flat? Did it snow in Darwin yesterday? Feel free to spam away and claim whatever you like. You claim to remember it, therefore it is true. You have to do it for the seasons because you are saying that SMFC are not capable of attracting 9 to 10K average when they are because they have done so. You are just taking the worse years as indicative.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAOK, I was referring to SMFC having an average of 9 to 10K average crowds. The NSL had 14 teams and some of the teams had averages of 3K. Crowds were never a metric. The only thing that mattered was the performance on the ground. This is what we need to go back to. A crowd of 3K is fantastic for a grassroots club. They are the SMFC crowds. No they are not. You just posted random numbers. Nothing that actually shows they are SMFC average crowds. Also, SMFC actually did average 9 to 10K per game in the last seasons of the NSL, apart from the very last season where it averaged 7300 per game. Are you a 5 year old child? They are the SMFC actual home crowds taken from a reputable source I provided to you via a link. I have told you this several times. Here is the link again | 1977 | 1978 | 1979 | 1987 | 1996/97 | | AGG | 67187 | 95478 | 78400 | 31017 | 88001 | | AVE | 5168 | 7344 | 6031 | 2585 | 7333 |
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/NSL/NSL.shtmlThe site records every game that was played in the NSL along with team sheets and crowds. Unless you have an actual source that contradicts those numbers STFU. You are the modern bitter personified, You ignore facts and have been trying to build a bullshit narrative to support your hate of the HAL. No they are not. You keep posting a link to the main page but nothing is telling me they are the SMFC crowds. Please provide the evidence. SMFC, had an average crowd of 7K in the final season but they were averaging 9 to 10K The "evidence" you are looking for is right there. Each game played throughout every NSL season is there, with squads, scores and crowd numbers. You simply need to go to each season and use a a spreadsheet to calculate the averages (you do know what a spreadsheet and average is don't you). Now that I have provided the "evidence", how about you provide a source for the crowd numbers you are basing all your arguments on. This will be an interesting exercise. Yes every game but I don't see an average. All I see is you cherry picking and saying SMFC never achieved 9 to 10K average when they definitely did. If anyone is cherry picking it's you completely ignoring his advice of working the average out yourself. Yikes. He does this all the time. If you reply to him with facts, he'll just ignore them or claim that they're illegitimate and then tell you that his opinions or his stats and figures that he makes up are facts and then mocks you. Don't bother replying to clowns like him, he has an agenda and he won't let facts get in the way of it. Thankfully more posters are calling out his bs.
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+xstarting to realise this forum is full of bitters full of negative bullshit. It's always been this way unfortunately.
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+x+xstarting to realise this forum is full of bitters full of negative bullshit. It's always been this way unfortunately. People just cant handle that more people are waking up to the bullshit.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe bitters can't back their argument up with fact. Like alcoholics they believe in what each other say and pat themselves on the back. Well here are some facts..... At their peak, most broad based clubs provided the highest attendance figures. Not one mono ethnic vs mono ethic club produced crowds in a grand final like the broadbased clubs did when they were involved. Not even SM Hellas. Brisbane Strikers being the first to kick off what true potential football had with their capacity crowd at Suncorp. Who can forget that. But hey, let's pretend that millions and billions follow these mono ethnic clubs instead of learning from their mistakes of insularity. that's probably true, but so what? aren't we all sick of these plastic franchises chasing more non-football people to watch them? how about we get back to having clubs followed by passionate football people? let's stop trying to pretend we're the AFL Except that we now have franchises followed by passionate football people, who are more passionate about football than the followers of the NPL clubs. Did you use an official FFA Passion Meter to makee this call? So is passion for an a league team a crime now? No, just wandering how you measure it to be able to make comparison on which league is more passionate Well apparently the a league haters can gauge how passionate a league fans are, despite not going to a game for several seasons. yeah, hear ya, but old mate markfromcroydon (a well know HAL fanboy) was the one making the passion comparison It's clear that HAL followers follow football and have a passion for the sport. I'm not sure how many followers of NPL clubs actually follow the sport of football and actually have a passion for the game. And the award for the most stupid comment this year goes to Mark from croydon, congratulations. 2013 - "we have da best support in the country, we bleed 4 dis club and take da passion to a new level. look we even have 500 fans at da power chair game - 4eva red n black!!" 2019 - "da a league sux lel. I hope it fails and the franchises fold. Anyone who still follows an a league franchise is pathetic".. Please show me where you got these quotes from, if not you are just making it up, which is even worse than stating your opinion as facts.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAOK, I was referring to SMFC having an average of 9 to 10K average crowds. The NSL had 14 teams and some of the teams had averages of 3K. Crowds were never a metric. The only thing that mattered was the performance on the ground. This is what we need to go back to. A crowd of 3K is fantastic for a grassroots club. They are the SMFC crowds. No they are not. You just posted random numbers. Nothing that actually shows they are SMFC average crowds. Also, SMFC actually did average 9 to 10K per game in the last seasons of the NSL, apart from the very last season where it averaged 7300 per game. Are you a 5 year old child? They are the SMFC actual home crowds taken from a reputable source I provided to you via a link. I have told you this several times. Here is the link again | 1977 | 1978 | 1979 | 1987 | 1996/97 | | AGG | 67187 | 95478 | 78400 | 31017 | 88001 | | AVE | 5168 | 7344 | 6031 | 2585 | 7333 |
http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/NSL/NSL.shtmlThe site records every game that was played in the NSL along with team sheets and crowds. Unless you have an actual source that contradicts those numbers STFU. You are the modern bitter personified, You ignore facts and have been trying to build a bullshit narrative to support your hate of the HAL. No they are not. You keep posting a link to the main page but nothing is telling me they are the SMFC crowds. Please provide the evidence. SMFC, had an average crowd of 7K in the final season but they were averaging 9 to 10K The "evidence" you are looking for is right there. Each game played throughout every NSL season is there, with squads, scores and crowd numbers. You simply need to go to each season and use a a spreadsheet to calculate the averages (you do know what a spreadsheet and average is don't you). Now that I have provided the "evidence", how about you provide a source for the crowd numbers you are basing all your arguments on. This will be an interesting exercise. Yes every game but I don't see an average. All I see is you cherry picking and saying SMFC never achieved 9 to 10K average when they definitely did. If anyone is cherry picking it's you completely ignoring his advice of working the average out yourself. Yikes. Why would I do that. I don't have the time.All I have is the memory as a very avid NSL follower. SMFC had a good supporter base but they were also fickle too. If they were bottom, they would have low crowds, but if they were doing well, they average 9 to 10K and that was in a very hostile environment too with less marketing and exposure. SMFC were always recognized as the second highest in terms of support behind PG at the time that had bigger crowds in the NSL than it does today. You don't have the time to input 13 or so numbers per season into a spreadsheet to cacluale an average but you have the time to post over 1500 posts about a league you hate? It appears that we can add innumerate to the host of other afflictions that have beset you. As far as recollections go, I also have the memory of a fan of football that watched the NSL, and I can confirm that the numbers on the website look legitimate. I have now cited a legitimate source and my own memory to counter your nonsensical claims. You have referenced nothing other than a spambot's memory. Congrats, you are correct. Any other facts you would like to enlighten us with? Is the earth flat? Did it snow in Darwin yesterday? Feel free to spam away and claim whatever you like. You claim to remember it, therefore it is true. You have to do it for the seasons because you are saying that SMFC are not capable of attracting 9 to 10K average when they are because they have done so. You are just taking the worse years as indicative. I don't have to do anything. I'm not the spambot making the nonsensical claims. How would you know which are the best and worst years? You have admitted that you have done zero research and are relying on your amazing memory.
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5012 recorded as official crowd City v Roar last night.
Real figure was probably 4k.
What a club.
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source ozfootball | South Melbourne |
| | 95/96 | 96/97 | 97/98 | 98/99 | 99/00 | 00/01 | 01/02 | 02/03 | 03/04 | | 2725 | 8668 | 8212 | 7230 | 6917 | 12652 | 7632 | 4156 | 7250 | | 3295 | 5452 | 6826 | 8115 | 7863 | 10623 | 5866 | 6194 | 3750 | | 11956 | 5335 | 4997 | 9216 | 7963 | 7137 | 10396 | 6027 | 5950 | | 4340 | 9631 | 4200 | 11200 | 6827 | 6803 | 4625 | 8997 | 8359 | | 11547 | 8896 | 3356 | 6616 | 7563 | 7589 | 5017 | 4972 | 5005 | | 6976 | 7896 | 5820 | 6206 | 12864 | 14215 | 2877 | 4250 | 4125 | | 7394 | 12652 | 10864 | 6416 | 7833 | 5782 | 4967 | 4010 | 10005 | | 6338 | 5239 | 7827 | 6192 | 4639 | 6557 | 3826 | 4236 | 6780 | | 10127 | 6802 | 3887 | 8496 | 5827 | 12917 | 5021 | 5080 | 5750 | | 7136 | 5000 | 6380 | 9146 | 7458 | 6321 | 4256 | 4013 | 11642 | | 5341 | 7261 | 4450 | 11861 | 6178 | 5028 | 8594 | 4050 | 8120 | | 4837 | 5169 | 5670 | 8169 | 6128 | 5567 | 9063 | 3565 | 5250 | | 4169 | 7896 | 8725 | 8892 | 3868 | 5025 | | | | | 5013 | | | 8864 | 4706 | 5803 | | | | | 4789 | | | | 5833 | | | | | | 3772 | | | | 4126 | | | | | | 5253 | | | | 5011 | | | | | | 105,008 | 95,897 | 81,214 | 116,619 | 111,604 | 112,019 | 72,140 | 59,550 | 81,986 | | 6,177 | 7,377 | 6,247 | 8,330 | 6,565 | 8,001 | 6,012 | 4,963 | 6,832 |
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+xsource ozfootball | South Melbourne |
| | 95/96 | 96/97 | 97/98 | 98/99 | 99/00 | 00/01 | 01/02 | 02/03 | 03/04 | | 2725 | 8668 | 8212 | 7230 | 6917 | 12652 | 7632 | 4156 | 7250 | | 3295 | 5452 | 6826 | 8115 | 7863 | 10623 | 5866 | 6194 | 3750 | | 11956 | 5335 | 4997 | 9216 | 7963 | 7137 | 10396 | 6027 | 5950 | | 4340 | 9631 | 4200 | 11200 | 6827 | 6803 | 4625 | 8997 | 8359 | | 11547 | 8896 | 3356 | 6616 | 7563 | 7589 | 5017 | 4972 | 5005 | | 6976 | 7896 | 5820 | 6206 | 12864 | 14215 | 2877 | 4250 | 4125 | | 7394 | 12652 | 10864 | 6416 | 7833 | 5782 | 4967 | 4010 | 10005 | | 6338 | 5239 | 7827 | 6192 | 4639 | 6557 | 3826 | 4236 | 6780 | | 10127 | 6802 | 3887 | 8496 | 5827 | 12917 | 5021 | 5080 | 5750 | | 7136 | 5000 | 6380 | 9146 | 7458 | 6321 | 4256 | 4013 | 11642 | | 5341 | 7261 | 4450 | 11861 | 6178 | 5028 | 8594 | 4050 | 8120 | | 4837 | 5169 | 5670 | 8169 | 6128 | 5567 | 9063 | 3565 | 5250 | | 4169 | 7896 | 8725 | 8892 | 3868 | 5025 | | | | | 5013 | | | 8864 | 4706 | 5803 | | | | | 4789 | | | | 5833 | | | | | | 3772 | | | | 4126 | | | | | | 5253 | | | | 5011 | | | | | | 105,008 | 95,897 | 81,214 | 116,619 | 111,604 | 112,019 | 72,140 | 59,550 | 81,986 | | 6,177 | 7,377 | 6,247 | 8,330 | 6,565 | 8,001 | 6,012 | 4,963 | 6,832 |
Another slap in the face for moronfloruge
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+x+xsource ozfootball | South Melbourne |
| | 95/96 | 96/97 | 97/98 | 98/99 | 99/00 | 00/01 | 01/02 | 02/03 | 03/04 | | 2725 | 8668 | 8212 | 7230 | 6917 | 12652 | 7632 | 4156 | 7250 | | 3295 | 5452 | 6826 | 8115 | 7863 | 10623 | 5866 | 6194 | 3750 | | 11956 | 5335 | 4997 | 9216 | 7963 | 7137 | 10396 | 6027 | 5950 | | 4340 | 9631 | 4200 | 11200 | 6827 | 6803 | 4625 | 8997 | 8359 | | 11547 | 8896 | 3356 | 6616 | 7563 | 7589 | 5017 | 4972 | 5005 | | 6976 | 7896 | 5820 | 6206 | 12864 | 14215 | 2877 | 4250 | 4125 | | 7394 | 12652 | 10864 | 6416 | 7833 | 5782 | 4967 | 4010 | 10005 | | 6338 | 5239 | 7827 | 6192 | 4639 | 6557 | 3826 | 4236 | 6780 | | 10127 | 6802 | 3887 | 8496 | 5827 | 12917 | 5021 | 5080 | 5750 | | 7136 | 5000 | 6380 | 9146 | 7458 | 6321 | 4256 | 4013 | 11642 | | 5341 | 7261 | 4450 | 11861 | 6178 | 5028 | 8594 | 4050 | 8120 | | 4837 | 5169 | 5670 | 8169 | 6128 | 5567 | 9063 | 3565 | 5250 | | 4169 | 7896 | 8725 | 8892 | 3868 | 5025 | | | | | 5013 | | | 8864 | 4706 | 5803 | | | | | 4789 | | | | 5833 | | | | | | 3772 | | | | 4126 | | | | | | 5253 | | | | 5011 | | | | | | 105,008 | 95,897 | 81,214 | 116,619 | 111,604 | 112,019 | 72,140 | 59,550 | 81,986 | | 6,177 | 7,377 | 6,247 | 8,330 | 6,565 | 8,001 | 6,012 | 4,963 | 6,832 |
Another slap in the face for moronfloruge Not really, these figures are a lot better than most of the HAL teams today!
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+xsource ozfootball | South Melbourne |
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Awesome thanks. 98/99 and 00/01 were exceptional seasons for them. These metrics would be AOK in today's HAL.
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+x5012 recorded as official crowd City v Roar last night. Real figure was probably 4k. What a club. Oh dear! What a disaster! Only 5012. terrible. The HAL is going down. Heart, eat your heart out! lol
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considering this is for a team playing finals, it's a very poor attendance, takes us back to the days of the Fury and gold coast united
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Another slap in the face to the plastic HAL band-wagoners!
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+x+x5012 recorded as official crowd City v Roar last night. Real figure was probably 4k. What a club. Oh dear! What a disaster! Only 5012. terrible. The HAL is going down. Heart, eat your heart out! lol What's with all the negativity? Without Melbourne City we wouldn't have 3 derbies to look forward to. Without Melbourne City we also wouldn't have....No let's just stick with the 3 derbies.
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+x+x+x5012 recorded as official crowd City v Roar last night. Real figure was probably 4k. What a club. Oh dear! What a disaster! Only 5012. terrible. The HAL is going down. Heart, eat your heart out! lol What's with all the negativity? Without Melbourne City we wouldn't have 3 derbies to look forward to. Without Melbourne City we also wouldn't have....No let's just stick with the 3 derbies. Yeah stop being so negative. 5,000 (bullshit more like 3k) people bought tickets to that crap. Meanwhile MK v SM had 2.5k with zero chance of either team playing top tier after 15 years. Makes you wonder if it has been worth the price on development of stadia and players.
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