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hounddog - 26 Apr 2019 2:33 PM
dman2018 - 26 Apr 2019 2:07 PM

Thing is teams at the top of the pile don't need a leg up, I agree they are getting one, it should be unintentional because if it is intentional it is dumb...
What we are lacking at present is then "upset" when a lesser credential side wants it more or the day and gets some luck...
The luck or the 50/50s are tending to go with the top side, and they don't need it, end result "upsets" rarely happen, the comp becomes stale and boring, fans of the top 2-3 teams are happy, fans of the bottom 13 teams think "what is the point" and lose interest...
All the refs can do is improve consistency, ref the rules and let the game flow with a good 10 that is never less than 10..... do that and we will have an exciting comp with "upsets" and all fans engaged, fix the shambles of a salary cap and the comp will be even better....
Running a comp where 2-3 teams get a leg up is easy, running a comp that is fair to all is a much bigger challenge, but that should be the aim.





Spot on...
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Marki - 26 Apr 2019 2:34 PM
hounddog - 26 Apr 2019 12:56 PM

Once again, Bulldogs fans will always whinge because the team plays with a very poor line speed and only advances 2m from the 10m mark.
If the ref (for whatever reason) is playing an 11m or 12m mark, our 2m advance means we meet the next run 10m passed the advantage line. The poor ref who took us back 12m instead of 10m gave the opposition a 100% advancement on what is normal.

Now take the above and apply it to a top team with fast defensive line speed, who normally runs forward 6m on every tackle. By being taken 12m back instead of 10m, they are still meeting the next run 6m from the advantage line and the nett effect the refs "error" is only 33%.

That's the difference my friends.
Our poor line speed is more sensitive to fat or skinny 10m retreats by the refs. It's not cheating, it's not bias. It's just silly of us to keep blaming the refs for having to set a 10m mark with no guidelines in a game played at furious pace. 
If we want to negate it we can do 2 things:

1) improve our line speed so the effect is minimal
2) move up in a line consistently (refs will take teams 11m and 12m back if there is a serial offender that is 1 or 2m constantly offside)

Yep.. you only watch one game a week...
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dman2018 - 26 Apr 2019 2:50 PM
Marki - 26 Apr 2019 2:34 PM

Yep.. you only watch one game a week...

We're talking football... not the dogs...
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Steveswr1 - 26 Apr 2019 2:49 PM
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You made the Home & Away references!!

Crickey, and flamin heck...
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dman2018 - 26 Apr 2019 12:33 PM
And stop this calling players by their first name crap...
its a surname or a number...
the players are not the refs mates, and vice versa...

It is easier than saying Nicoll-Klokstad or Faitala-Mariner or Harawira-Naera

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Marki - 26 Apr 2019 2:34 PM
hounddog - 26 Apr 2019 12:56 PM
 It's just silly of us to keep blaming the refs for having to set a 10m mark with no guidelines in a game played at furious pace. 


"Played at a furious pace", can't wait to hear the ref call that along with loose carry and other rules they implement on the run or don't exist,,,
Those "guidelines" as you call them are commonly referred to as the laws of the game... they're in black and white... feel free to look them up... I generally do before passing comment..,
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Steveswr1 - 26 Apr 2019 2:54 PM
dman2018 - 26 Apr 2019 12:33 PM

It is easier than saying Nicoll-Klokstad or Faitala-Mariner or Harawira-Naera

Right so number 1 or number 11 will be just fine...

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Marki - 26 Apr 2019 2:34 PM
hounddog - 26 Apr 2019 12:56 PM

Once again, Bulldogs fans will always whinge because the team plays with a very poor line speed and only advances 2m from the 10m mark.
If the ref (for whatever reason) is playing an 11m or 12m mark, our 2m advance means we meet the next run 10m passed the advantage line. The poor ref who took us back 12m instead of 10m gave the opposition a 100% advancement on what is normal.

Now take the above and apply it to a top team with fast defensive line speed, who normally runs forward 6m on every tackle. By being taken 12m back instead of 10m, they are still meeting the next run 6m from the advantage line and the nett effect the refs "error" is only 33%.

That's the difference my friends.
Our poor line speed is more sensitive to fat or skinny 10m retreats by the refs. It's not cheating, it's not bias. It's just silly of us to keep blaming the refs for having to set a 10m mark with no guidelines in a game played at furious pace. 
If we want to negate it we can do 2 things:

1) improve our line speed so the effect is minimal
2) move up in a line consistently (refs will take teams 11m and 12m back if there is a serial offender that is 1 or 2m constantly offside)

I don't think it is just Dogs fans...

We came off worse in the 50/50 calls against Souths, then the refs simply put the whistle in the back pocket and made no attempt to keep teams apart.

Bennett has a whinge in the press conference, even though they won, most Souths fans were far from happy and fans with no particular allegiance probably changed channels.  

Of the games I watch when the Dogs are not playing, 2 of 3 are poor games i can easily walk away from 1 out of 3 is compelling viewing... I'm someone who likes watching league and always has liked it...

Our team can improve some areas and they also deserve a bit more of a fair go, if we improve the fair go is more likely to come  as place in the pecking orders seems to be a factor.... But it isn't just all about our team, if I sit down to watch the footy I want to see a decent game and I like to think both teams got a fair go... (Mostly ..... as I'm absolutely delighted when some teams get ripped off ... but that is another matter.)
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dman2018 - 26 Apr 2019 3:07 PM
Steveswr1 - 26 Apr 2019 2:54 PM

Right so number 1 or number 11 will be just fine...

Don't use numbers, Villi will think they are immortals :)
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hounddog - 26 Apr 2019 3:13 PM
dman2018 - 26 Apr 2019 3:07 PM

Don't use numbers, Villi will think they are immortals :)

I'm just waiting for the day he actually realises there is already more than 11...
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Marki, my "utter rubbish" remarks are from seeing more rugby league games than you have had hot dinners. In almost 60 years I can say that the refereeing quality is far inferior to that of past decades, even though they now have two refs on the field and a video ref with all the technology in the world to review a decision and they still manage to stuff it up. It can only be conceived as either incompetence or....... nah can't go that far without getting myself into trouble.
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I reckon if you want to watch a game that flows with zero regard for forward passes, knock ons, no play the balls, weird reffing, and 50-36 score lines rugby union is the sport for you...
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And yes there are teams leading the comp because they are the best even sometimes the be$t that money can buy, but if you view the entire game (as a competition) it is obvious that some teams continually recieve less wrath from the refs than others and whether it be deliberate or unintentional it is obvious and until the refs become more consistant then I will bag them out.
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dman2018 - 26 Apr 2019 3:41 PM
hounddog - 26 Apr 2019 3:13 PM

I'm just waiting for the day he actually realises there is already more than 11...

WHAT? There is......?

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Villi - 26 Apr 2019 4:14 PM
dman2018 - 26 Apr 2019 3:41 PM

WHAT? There is......?


Here’s the following list of Immortals....

1) Todd Carney
2) Chris Sandow
3) Jacob Loko
4) Tim Simona
5) Paul Carter
6) Josh Duggan
7) Kenny Edwards
8) Jarrod Hayne
9) Greg Inglis
10) Joel Romelo
11) LACHLAN COOTE
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Villi - 26 Apr 2019 4:23 PM
Villi - 26 Apr 2019 4:14 PM


Here’s the following list of Immortals....

1) Todd Carney
2) Chris Sandow
3) Jacob Loko
4) Tim Simona
5) Paul Carter
6) Josh Duggan
7) Kenny Edwards
8) Jarrod Hayne
9) Greg Inglis
10) Joel Romelo
11) LACHLAN COOTE

What's this.... a list of immorals?
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ODF - 26 Apr 2019 4:25 PM
Villi - 26 Apr 2019 4:23 PM

What's this.... a list of immorals?


Yes ODF

Why, did I forget someone?


12th Immortal will be Katoni Staggs
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No change.... 1-17


Okay then.... Good Luck Dogs
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Villi - 26 Apr 2019 4:23 PM
Villi - 26 Apr 2019 4:14 PM


Here’s the following list of Immortals....

1) Todd Carney
2) Chris Sandow
3) Jacob Loko
4) Tim Simona
5) Paul Carter
6) Josh Duggan
7) Kenny Edwards
8) Jarrod Hayne
9) Greg Inglis
10) Joel Romelo
11) LACHLAN COOTE

That is the immorals
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Villi - 26 Apr 2019 5:05 PM
No change.... 1-17


Okay then.... Good Luck Dogs

Go Dogs!!!!
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Cmon lads... Big effort needed to back up last weeks...
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Yep... only forward pass they pick up all year is backwards..
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FMD....... how was it forward????


fekking Sutton
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Sutton is ref, good pass called forward are the refs absolutely incompetent..... I rest my case.
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Villi - 26 Apr 2019 6:08 PM
FMD....... how was it forward????


fekking Sutton

Even had the line there to show ignoring momentum at worst it was flat...
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dman2018 - 26 Apr 2019 6:12 PM
Villi - 26 Apr 2019 6:08 PM

Even had the line there to show ignoring momentum at worst it was flat...

No matter which Sutton brother..... there’s always one of them to fekk us over
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Villi - 26 Apr 2019 6:14 PM
dman2018 - 26 Apr 2019 6:12 PM

No matter which Sutton brother..... there’s always one of them to fekk us over

Another penalty..... another try
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Ohh my god.....
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Have mmm on out back while having a ciggie... pretty sure MG just said "can't have a crackdown otherwise teams like the storm will get penalised 40-0 every week"...


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Our line speed is as per normal..... they are making 50-60m with every set
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