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robstazzz - 26 Apr 2019 5:08 PM
Waled is the biggest fuckwit in this country. I seriously can't stand that hypocritical flop.

me neither mate.

And that is what I am highlighting.



Christians are the most persecuted people on the planet. There is literally a war against Christianity. Over 90,000 Christians were killed because of their beliefs last year.

The reason why people don't like to talk about this is because they are anti Christian. Therefore, Christian lives don't matter.


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So who knew that a comedian  is in the running for president  of Ukraine. 
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Welcome to inter-sectional identity politics 101 folks.

Hillary Clinton voided using the word Christian. Why is it that this word must be avoided?

Can everyone see the issue now?

There were sections of the community celebrating the fire at Notre Dame. There is a hate fest going on here. And it isn't fair.

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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 26 Apr 2019 5:25 PM
So who knew that a comedian  is in the running for president  of Ukraine. 

He's apparently the favourite to win despite not having a clear platform.

If that's the case, then the current President must be doing a really shit job.
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sub007 - 26 Apr 2019 7:41 PM
MvFCArsenal16.8 - 26 Apr 2019 5:25 PM

He's apparently the favourite to win despite not having a clear platform.

If that's the case, then the current President must be doing a really shit job.

Or people just want to see if a comedian becomes president  . Hell we have hingers former good game presenter running for Senate and people are actually wanting to vote for him.  He said please dont as it's a joke sad stage of affairs

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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 26 Apr 2019 8:08 PM
sub007 - 26 Apr 2019 7:41 PM

Or people just want to see if a comedian becomes president  . Hell we have hingers former good game presenter running for Senate and people are actually wanting to vote for him.  He said please dont as it's a joke sad stage of affairs

It is. If politicians were actually trying to help the people, then Trump wouldn't be President and the Ukrainian guy probably wouldn't be running. 

The people want an anti-establishment outsider as the establishment in many countries is screwing over the average Joe.

Unfortunately for America, they got someone for pretended to be anti-establishment but ended up with the establishment's bitch.
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sub007 - 26 Apr 2019 8:16 PM
MvFCArsenal16.8 - 26 Apr 2019 8:08 PM

It is. If politicians were actually trying to help the people, then Trump wouldn't be President and the Ukrainian guy probably wouldn't be running. 

The people want an anti-establishment outsider as the establishment in many countries is screwing over the average Joe.

Unfortunately for America, they got someone for pretended to be anti-establishment but ended up with the establishment's bitch.

I lol at the people who thought he was anti establishment when he is part of the establishment.  He played the tea party and the wider Republicans for fools . They are now beholden to him.  Did you hear he wants everyone to be his lap dog and not question him
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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 26 Apr 2019 9:09 PM
sub007 - 26 Apr 2019 8:16 PM

I lol at the people who thought he was anti establishment when he is part of the establishment.  He played the tea party and the wider Republicans for fools . They are now beholden to him.  Did you hear he wants everyone to be his lap dog and not question him

tbf he did say he was anti-war and opposed outsourcing on the campaign trail but has done the opposite.

Yeah a lot of the Republicans have been his lap dog for ages. The saddest case of it is Ted Cruz (his name makes me shudder). Trump make the claim that Cruz's dad helped Kennedy's assassin (The claim was complete bs btw) and implied that Ted's wife was unattractive. Both were shitting on each other during the 2016 primary and when Trump won, Ted Cruz started campaigning for him 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
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sub007 - 26 Apr 2019 9:19 PM
MvFCArsenal16.8 - 26 Apr 2019 9:09 PM

tbf he did say he was anti-war and opposed outsourcing on the campaign trail but has done the opposite.

Yeah a lot of the Republicans have been his lap dog for ages. The saddest case of it is Ted Cruz (his name makes me shudder). Trump make the claim that Cruz's dad helped Kennedy's assassin (The claim was complete bs btw) and implied that Ted's wife was unattractive. Both were shitting on each other during the 2016 primary and when Trump won, Ted Cruz started campaigning for him 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 

Of course he did. He says something  and then back  tracks or says fake news. 
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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 26 Apr 2019 9:55 PM
sub007 - 26 Apr 2019 9:19 PM

Of course he did. He says something  and then back  tracks or says fake news. 

That's one thing Trump is actually good at, he's a good snake oil salesman.
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sub007 - 26 Apr 2019 8:16 PM
MvFCArsenal16.8 - 26 Apr 2019 8:08 PM

It is. If politicians were actually trying to help the people, then Trump wouldn't be President and the Ukrainian guy probably wouldn't be running. 

The people want an anti-establishment outsider as the establishment in many countries is screwing over the average Joe.

Unfortunately for America, they got someone for pretended to be anti-establishment but ended up with the establishment's bitch.

Can't get anymore anti establishment than Trump since the mainstream media hate him, Hollywood hate him and all the right people hate him.

He has rustled all the feathers




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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 26 Apr 2019 9:55 PM
sub007 - 26 Apr 2019 9:19 PM

Of course he did. He says something  and then back  tracks or says fake news. 

He isn't wrong. All the news about Trump has been fake. Have you forgotten about the Russia collusion - FAKE NEWS example number 1.

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BTW, just because a country elects a comedian does not mean they are anti establishment. Establishment politicians come in all shapes and sizes and could still be a political aparatchik or establishment player.

The fact they are a comedian is just their profession. Establishment politicians can be any number of professions.

An anti-establishment politician is someone that goes against the established norms - or against the institutions like media, judiciary, FBI, Security agencies, and at least challenges the power circles.

We have never had a politician like that in Australia. I can't comment on the Ukraine as I don't know.

But someone who does fit the bill, is Trump. He will go down in history as anti establishment.

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mouflonrouge - 27 Apr 2019 12:29 AM
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Can't get anymore anti establishment than Trump since the mainstream media hate him, Hollywood hate him and all the right people hate him.

He has rustled all the feathers




Literally does all the same policies that any establishment President would do which is why the media mainly criticises him for his affairs, sexual harassment and mean tweets.
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sub007 - 27 Apr 2019 12:38 AM
mouflonrouge - 27 Apr 2019 12:29 AM

Literally does all the same policies that any establishment President would do which is why the media mainly criticises him for his affairs, sexual harassment and mean tweets.

Such as what exactly?

Meeting the North Korean Leader? Is that  what the mainstream establishment wanted or did they prefer a war footing?

There isn't anything in the square about Trump which is what is making him popular.

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So trump just withdrew from the Un  arms agreement . His supporters and nra were happy. I got no words any more
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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 27 Apr 2019 8:37 AM
So trump just withdrew from the Un  arms agreement . His supporters and nra were happy. I got no words any more

Mate, you guys are not sharp.

You mean he withdrew from the UN Arms Agreement in Nuclear Weapons. it's got nothing to do with the NRA. It is an agreement with Russia to cap the amount of Nuclear warheads. Gee I had no idea your knowledge was at this level.

Secondly, the NRA isn't considered establishment. There are many people that hate the NRA, especially in liberal states.

The move to withdraw from the Nuclear Arms treaty with Russia was not supported by the establishment. It was necessary though as Russia kept violating the treaty as of late under Vladimir Putin.



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mouflonrouge - 27 Apr 2019 1:04 AM
sub007 - 27 Apr 2019 12:38 AM

Such as what exactly?

 

Just a few examples.

Trump's tax bill even though nearly all of the benefits go to the top 1% and the amount of companies that are paying zero taxes has doubled.

Doing more war and bombing 8 different countries. (TBF Obama was doing the same thing but Trump has escalated it)

Increasing military spending despite the US spending more than 8 of the next highest countries combined. (And most of them are US allies)

Supporting the Israeli government despite them violating International law and committing war crimes. Many pro-Palestinian speakers have been suppressed and there are some anti-BDS laws in some states.
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mouflonrouge - 27 Apr 2019 1:04 AM
sub007 - 27 Apr 2019 12:38 AM

Meeting the North Korean Leader?


The only good thing Trump has ever done and the media criticised him for the unfortunately. 
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If you thought Trump and his administration couldn't get any worse they have. They seriously considered sending migrant kids to Guantanamo Bay. This is absolutely horrific and the only reason I can think of as to why people would do something as horrible as this is if they have demonised migrants so much to the point that they don't even see them as human beings.

 https://splinternews.com/the-trump-administration-considered-sending-migrant-chi-1834258670
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sub007 - 27 Apr 2019 10:26 AM
mouflonrouge - 27 Apr 2019 1:04 AM

The only good thing Trump has ever done and the media criticised him for the unfortunately. 

He has done many great things. You are just brainwashed into a narrative by the establishment who control the media to hate him.

In fact, to call them media is false as media are suppose to report facts and they don't do that anymore. they instill a narrative they want the people to swallow hook line and sinker.

'This is why the media are dieing now because people are looking for other sources on YouTube and from streaming.

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sub007 - 27 Apr 2019 10:26 AM

He has done many great things. You are just brainwashed into a narrative by the establishment who control the media to hate him.

In fact, to call them media is false as media are suppose to report facts and they don't do that anymore. they instill a narrative they want the people to swallow hook line and sinker.

'This is why the media are dieing now because people are looking for other sources on YouTube and from streaming.

I get most of my news from Youtube and nearly everything he and his admin has done is shitty.
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sub007 - 27 Apr 2019 10:24 AM
mouflonrouge - 27 Apr 2019 1:04 AM

Just a few examples.

Trump's tax bill even though nearly all of the benefits go to the top 1% and the amount of companies are paying zero taxes has doubled.

Doing more war and bombing 8 different countries. (TBF Obama was doing the same thing but Trump has escalated it)

Increasing military spending despite the US spending more than 8 of the next highest countries combined. (And most of them are US allies)

Supporting the Israeli government despite them violating International law and committing war crimes. Many pro-Palestinian speakers have been suppressed and there are some anti-BDS laws in some states.

Really? Can you please post links of all these things you mention from real sources. What you are sayig is still part of the narrative.

He reduced the company tax rate is what happened. It wasn't for the top 1%, although the top 1% do benefit for it.

It's about making the USA more competitive on a global scale to attract US businesses back to America from China that were going to pay little tax anyway, and at least bring back investment and more jobs for American Workers to earn more money and pay tax rather than be a social security burden.

So no, it wasn't about helping the top 1% as the local corner shop and deli also pays the reduced tax and these are tiny micro-businesses run by low income families.

It's about reducing unemployment and making the USA competitive. The USA isn't the only country to do this. In fact, the USA and Australia are the last to act and are behind the 8 ball. This is why we are losing our manufacturing and jobs to overseas. Asia and Europe all went though this process decades ago.

And this serves my point exactly. You are only good with pumping out hyperbolic narratives, like Trump looking after the top 1% when that isn't true at all. It's about re-energizing the entire economy and not to provide incentives for the top 1% to flee out of the country because they are paying 35% in tax and can get away with paying less than 10% in China. The top 1% are incredibly mobile too and they don't have any loyalty to a country, just their profit margins and share holders.

Increasing spending on military is good. The USA has a big responsibility to its allies.

Supporting Israel is also good. Count yourselves all lucky that there is an Israel where people like me can live in peace and have freedom of worship. It would not be the case otherwise.

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sub007 - 27 Apr 2019 10:58 AM
mouflonrouge - 27 Apr 2019 10:57 AM

I get most of my news from Youtube and nearly everything he and his admin has done is shitty.

Sure. No problem!

But Friendly Joerdies doesn't really count now as a news source.

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mouflonrouge - 27 Apr 2019 11:02 AM
sub007 - 27 Apr 2019 10:24 AM

Really? Can you please post links of all these things you mention from real sources. What you are sayig is still part of the narrative.

He reduced the company tax rate is what happened. It wasn't for the top 1%, although the top 1% do benefit for it.

It's about making the USA more competitive on a global scale to attract US businesses back to America from China that were going to pay little tax anymore, and at least bring back investment and more jobs for Anerican Workers to earn more money and pay tax rather than be a social security burden.

So no, it wasn't about helping the top 1% as the local corner shop and deli also pays the reduced tax and these are tiny micro-businesses run by low income families.

It's about reducing unemployment and making the USA competitive. the USA isn't the only country to do this. In fact, the USA and Australia are the last to act and are behind the 8 ball. This is why we are losing our manufacturing and jobs to overseas. Asia and Europe all went though this process decades ago.

83% of the benefits has gone to the top 1%.Trump Tax bill (like most of his bills) serve his personal interests and the interests of his donors. He doesn't give a shit about the American people, he only cares about himself and his donors.

Source: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/18/16791174/republican-tax-bill-congress-conference-tax-policy-center

This is interesting as well and the quotes are from the same article.

"Almost all provisions of the bill, with the exception of the reduction in the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 21 percent, are temporary, expiring at the end of 2025. One exception is the adoption of a new slower-growing inflation measure to adjust tax brackets, a change that effectively raises taxes over time and helps pay for the permanent corporate rate cut. Since corporate rate cuts mostly help Americans rich enough to own stock, that means that in 2027, poor and middle-class Americans would see a very mild tax increase on average:"

"The rich and ultrarich, by contrast, would continue to see massive tax breaks due to the corporate provisions. The top 1 percent would claim 82.8 percent of the benefit of the bill, and receive an average cut of $20,660. The top 0.1 percent, the richest of the rich earning $5.1 million or more a year, would get $148,260 back on average"
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mouflonrouge - 27 Apr 2019 11:06 AM
sub007 - 27 Apr 2019 10:58 AM

Sure. No problem!

But Friendly Joerdies doesn't really count now as a news source.

Well it does but I watch more than just Friendly Jordies. 

Secular Talk (You won't like the title) is easily the best YouTube channel for US politics.
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sub007 - 27 Apr 2019 11:11 AM
mouflonrouge - 27 Apr 2019 11:06 AM

Well it does but I watch more than just Friendly Jordies. 

Secular Talk (You won't like the title) is easily the best YouTube channel for US politics.

No it doesn't!

Friendly Jordies doesn't report on social issues and is more of a clown really that hates the liberals and he is also part of the same narrative that the Liberals and Trump are helping the top 1% which isn't true.

You are all sheep. And pretty dumb too. If you thought Trump was helping the NRA but withdrawing from the nuclear Arms Treaty, then I don't know what to say. I can only laugh.

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And this serves my point exactly. You are only good with pumping out hyperbolic narratives, like Trump looking after the top 1% when that isn't true at all. it's about re-energizing the entire economy not provide incentives for the top 1% to flee out of the country because they are paying 35% in tax and can get away with paying less than 10% in China. The top 1% are incredibly mobiler too and they don't have any loyalty to a country, just their profit margins and share holders.


If Trump really cared about the average Joe, he would have stopped or limited outsourcing which is what he said he'll do on the campaign trail. He hasn't done this and outsourcing under Trump has increased. Bernie Sanders has some very good anti-outsourcing policy ideas.

Sources:
https://inhomelandsecurity.com/outsourcing-trump-administration/

https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/the-companies-offshoring-jobs-at-a-record-pace-under-trump.html/

https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/trump-carrier-offshoring-jobs_n_5a1f6f97e4b0a8581e67e62e
"The top 1% are incredibly mobiler too and they don't have any loyalty to a country, just their profit margins and share holders. " 

Trump should be loyal to his country and its people but he isn't and his policies reflect that.

"Increasing spending on military is good. The USA has a big responsibility to its allies."

No it isn't. America is bombing 8 different countries and none of which are any threat to the US. Some of that money could be used to rebuild America's infanstructure which has a grade of D+.

Source: https://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/
 
"Supporting Israel is also good. Count yourselves all lucky that there is an israeli where people like me can live in peace and have freedom of worship. It would not be the case otherwise. "

Supporting any country that violates international law, commits war crimes and does an effective apartheid is a big no-no. He also arms Saudi Arabia who commit war crimes, violates international law and is blockading Yemen (doing so while allied with Al-Qaeda).

Source: 
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-22/yemen-houthis-and-saudi-forces-hold-up-food-aid-fuel/9897684


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mouflonrouge - 27 Apr 2019 11:12 AM
sub007 - 27 Apr 2019 11:11 AM

 If you thought Trump was helping the NRA but withdrawing from the nuclear Arms Treaty

Well I don't.
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sub007 - 27 Apr 2019 11:25 AM
mouflonrouge - 27 Apr 2019 11:12 AM

Well I don't.

That's a relief.

The other guy said he was in cahoots with the NRA over the Nuclear Treaty. I mean wow!

Obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed.

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