Rob - If Folau was sacked for saying something racist, would you be supporting him and would you donate money to help pay his legal fees?

And now it is at $2 million. It's good to see not only Christians but people from all religions, and even athiests themselves are donating, which goes to show how stupid of a decision it was by Rugby Union to sack a perfect role model of their game. 
What I find even more amusing was the fact the GFM page shut down Isreal's donation page which had donations roughly at $800k after 4 days. The response by those angered was a big jump in donations where it has taken only 2 days this time to raise $2 million. 
Even if the $3 million target isn't reached at least this will help Isreal get his representation without digging into his own money. 

This shows that we have a nation of bigoted idiots.

he has raised over 1.5 million now...

People are jumping behind a good cause.

Yeah it's a tough one. The saying "the right to swing my fist ends where your face begins" comes to mind, i.e. the right to practise your religion stops when it gets into hateful territory (as imo people have a right to not be targeted for their sexuality). If I had a religion that argued that it would be ok to discriminate based on race, if you wanted to be consistent then the same justification used for Folau could be applied then.  

I think the distinction is that you can't discriminate based on religion as an identity, but you can discriminate based on religious beliefs. You can't (and shouldn't) be able to discriminate against someone because they're Christian/Muslim or whatever, but once they start using that religion to spread hateful messages it's justifiable to cut ties in my opinion. Obviously, it's in the interest of the Christian lobby to conflate the two so it looks like he's being attacked for being a Christian, which he is not. 

Depending on the terms, you can’t contract in our out of things. 

Surprisingly good article here from news.com.au laying out the likely arguments in court.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/one-unresolved-legal-question-at-the-heart-of-israel-folaus-case/news-story/387b057b25ab325d35ea494b9ed087b3

Completely unverifiable btw.

I wonder what other Rugby players are thinking considering its their paychecks he's coming after.

-PB

Best auto correct EVA !

But yeah you're right it was written into his contract so he doesn't have a leg to stand on.  I'm more interested in whether that sort of thing can be written into a contract.  If he genuinely holds those beliefs, and you can't discriminate on the basis of religion, it will interesting to see how they rule on this.

Otherwise imagine this for a thought experiment.  You work for a Christian boss who is anti-gay marriage.  One day he's trolling through your facebook posts and finds you in an online argument abusing some christian for not voting for gay marriage.  And then you get sacked because you don't reflect company values.

Far fetched? Maybe.

I really don't see what the issue is. If I go for a job and HR stumbles onto something on my social media that they find incongruent with the companies values, they're not going to hire me, it's no different to a pro-sportsperson. It's not a freeze peach issue either because it's not the state outlawing what Folau can say, it's a private company deciding they don't want to be associated with those views.

And of course the Christian lobby has tacked onto it as another battle in the never-ending culture war over issues that don't really matter. It's all so tiresome. 

I guess I'm a fucking idiot than 😎, and pretty happy to be one according to you. 
Just because someone has more money than I do, it doesn't mean I shouldn't support him when what he's fighting for is the exact same thing I'd fight for. 
And just for record he might be rich, but he's no where near as rich as who he's going up against in court, and also who is helping and or pushed Union to sack him in the first place. 
He shouldn't have to lose millions of his own hard earned money defending himself and others in this country. 
But anyways like I said I'm happy to labeled whatever for donating because I know what's right and wrong. Isreal Falou getting sacked, and just as worse GFM closing his fundraising page down is a disgrace, especially in a country like Australia. 
People talk about the sick kids on there and how it should be about them, and then turn a blind eye to the many other fundraisers still on that website that haven't been taken down, which have zero to do with any kids, and in some cases actually raising money for people who broke the law so they can defend themselves in court. 

Over $650k now.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/1000-a-minute-folau-gets-back-more-than-600-000-20190625-p5210t.html
https://www.acl.org.au/donate_izzy

Canning his Go fund me was really stupid and plays right into the 'freedom of speech' narrative he and his supporters have been pushing.

Disagree with the donating part.  I'm blown away by people who are trying to tell other people what they're allowed to donate to.

Got into a barney with a bloke at work because he said he's a millionaire and doesn't need the money.  All true but that's not the point.

He can do whatever he want & I vehemently disagree with his sacking & the closure of his legal defence however anyone who donates money to a multi million dollar asset athlete is quite frankly a fucking idiot.  

I really want to see this go to court.  I'm interested in what they're going to say.

I know he breached his contract and got sacked for that.  The more interesting question is whether what he got sacked for should ever have been allowed to be written into it.

If it does go to the High Court I'm betting that he'll get off.



Also how are all the arsehats that are defending Folau now but were happy to throw Scott McIntyre and Yasmin Abdel Magied under the bus.  That pisses me off.  If you hold a principled position you can't pick and choose who you support and who you don't.

For the record I don't agree with what Folau said but I have no problem with him saying it and he shouldn't have got sacked.   

ACL up to 350k for Folau lol, he's playing this very well.

-PB

It's just what naturally feels right. I can't think of too many things I'd want to do less than conform and follow the crowd.

This life is all that you've got man. Keep being who you naturally are. Hold on to the things that make you different, because if they're empowered in the right way they can positively set you apart from everyone else.

The conformists should be very thankful to people you say are contrarian. It's because it's always the contrarians that push society, push boundaries and innovate. Look at Galileo, Da Vinci, and Pythagoras as some examples and there are plenty more.

I am also a practicing Orthodox Christian and in my life I try to better myself and improve myself.

I really do feel sorry for you, but it's not too late for you to start differentiating yourself rather than living a life others want you to live and being accepted by these so called norms which are not norms at all.

Whatever helps you justify your faux-puritanical persona, Mr resident contrarian.

It's happening whilst its illegal. Now with it being legal under the proviso of certain conditions being met, their will be more abuse.

Why even more? It's happening under the rug already (as you say). 

Yes the ones that go about it legally will be out in the open. But there will be even more people who will be knocked off illegally and without due process.

Well then, as you have admitted that is Euthanasia and very illegal no matter how you slice and dice it.

I am very uneasy with family asking doctors to up the morphine of their loved ones. This will only result in family and kids asking for their "loved" one to 'go quicker' so they can inherit the estate.

This is the debauchery of today's society!

I don't even know what Static IP actually means and I don't even know if I have a Static IP right now. All I know is I am in Ascot, Brisbane, and so I have an IP that locates me appropriately.

That's not what I have been told anyway. The mods did actually investigate and they found no connection between myself and Aikhme. Also, Aikhme is no longer on this forum and can not defend himself so please leave the poor bugger alone.

He is also an Adelaide United supporter and good on him.

My IP Address is a Brisbane one. The owners of this forum know who I am.

Good thing it's legalised now so this will be out in the open :)

What's lieing? Its lying my friend and aikhme doesnt live in s.a . His ip  is a static ip . Strange that hey 

Shame on you 433.  You can't ignore stats just because it suits you.  Only Mouflon can do that.  (Just like the interest rates discussion or the other one where I showed him girls from the most religious backgrounds have the highest rates of teenage pregnancies.)

As for morphine being administered.  When my dad was dying he requested his pacemaker to be turned off and not be resuscitated.  Even after all of that the doctors and nurses were extremely insistent that they couldn't give more than the prescribed amount of morphine despite our asking them to do so and his expressed wish for him to no longer hang about.

But even if that was only a one-off for my dad I'm glad that there's doctors around that will help alleviate your suffering and help you go quicker. 

It's such an idiotic argument anyway.  You're going to die in 2 days.  You can go tomorrow morning on your own terms or because you're in screaming agony we can put you in a coma, drugged up to the fucking eyeballs whereby you'll expire a day later in any case.  WTF?!  How is that better? 

In any event nothing will be good enough for this zealot.  

The good news is, it's available and in the near future it will be available in other jurisdictions.

Really! Well I never thought teal actual statistics are irrelevant!

When they can't be refuted , they are ignored and "irrelevant".

You can use the words to imply what you want and pretend their are safeguards all you like just like in other countries but the facts say something else and its even a taboo subject today that Euthanasia is actually practiced in Australia on a daily basis in an under the table manner.

The “statistics” are literally irrelevent because we don’t have euthanasia in Victoria - we have assisted dying.

Euthanasia implies no agency on the part of the patient (like putting a dog to sleep) whereas with assisted dying the patient must consent every step of the way and must administer the drug themselves. Doctors are even banned from suggesting the scheme even if they think it’s the right thing to do. If there’s any hint of mental illness or an indication that the decision making abilities of the patient are impaired then they won’t be able to end their own life. It’s literally the most conservative assisted dying scheme in the world.

Also lmao at your outrage at giving morphine to dying patients in palliative care. It’s to calm them down and ease their pain so their last moments on Earth aren’t spent being terrified and hurting. You truly are a despicable person if you’re against this.

Again, that is all you can say because you can't refute my statistics which means you are also glad Victoria will be traveling the same slippery slope to debauchery.