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+x+x+xRob - If Folau was sacked for saying something racist, would you be supporting him and would you donate money to help pay his legal fees? There's two ways of answering that question. 1. If what he said was in fact racist, then I wouldn't donate a cent. 2. If he was sacked for a racist comment which I didn't consider racist, then yes I would donate. Ok so let's say the first situation occurred. Why is racism not ok but homophobia is? Both are forms of discrimination. It wasn't homophobia. he quoted a biblical text. Homosexual people are not targeted by this text. You, I, and every person in the world is the target of this piece of scripture. We are all fallen foul of it.
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Greek Basketballer (The Greek Freak) who is the Greatest Player on the planet and winner of the NBA MVP has thanked God for his Athleticism on 3 occasions when he accepted his award on the NBA's night of nights. The SMH actually erased those parts of his acceptance speech. Our media are pushing an agenda of alternative facts they deem fit for consumption. That is when our society is headed towards dangerous waters which water down freedom of speech, thought, and our very democracy. The Greek Freak is a devout Orthodox Christian. He crosses himself with every basket and prays regularly on the basketball court. https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/06/24/the-greek-freak-has-arrived-giannis-antetokounmpo-wins-nba-mvp/
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+x^^ Paragraphs are your friend. But anyway whilst I wouldn't donate I have no problem with anyone that does. I want to see this go to court because there's a principle here that needs to be tested. Imagine reading a book written by me, you'd get a migraine 1 page into it 😂 Writting is definitely not my best friend, I'll be the first to admit it 😂
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+x+x^^ Paragraphs are your friend. But anyway whilst I wouldn't donate I have no problem with anyone that does. I want to see this go to court because there's a principle here that needs to be tested. Imagine reading a book written by me, you'd get a migraine 1 page into it 😂 Writting is definitely not my best friend, I'll be the first to admit it 😂 Just hit 'return' every time you change subject in your text and you'll be 90% there.
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+x+x+x^^ Paragraphs are your friend. But anyway whilst I wouldn't donate I have no problem with anyone that does. I want to see this go to court because there's a principle here that needs to be tested. Imagine reading a book written by me, you'd get a migraine 1 page into it 😂 Writting is definitely not my best friend, I'll be the first to admit it 😂 Just hit 'return' every time you change subject in your text and you'll be 90% there. Will do 👍
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+xGreek Basketballer (The Greek Freak) who is the Greatest Player on the planet and winner of the NBA MVP has thanked God for his Athleticism on 3 occasions when he accepted his award on the NBA's night of nights. The SMH actually erased those parts of his acceptance speech. Our media are pushing an agenda of alternative facts they deem fit for consumption. That is when our society is headed towards dangerous waters which water down freedom of speech, thought, and our very democracy. The Greek Freak is a devout Orthodox Christian. He crosses himself with every basket and prays regularly on the basketball court. https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/06/24/the-greek-freak-has-arrived-giannis-antetokounmpo-wins-nba-mvp/ That's just so typical of mainstream media.
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+x+xGreek Basketballer (The Greek Freak) who is the Greatest Player on the planet and winner of the NBA MVP has thanked God for his Athleticism on 3 occasions when he accepted his award on the NBA's night of nights. The SMH actually erased those parts of his acceptance speech. Our media are pushing an agenda of alternative facts they deem fit for consumption. That is when our society is headed towards dangerous waters which water down freedom of speech, thought, and our very democracy. The Greek Freak is a devout Orthodox Christian. He crosses himself with every basket and prays regularly on the basketball court. https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/06/24/the-greek-freak-has-arrived-giannis-antetokounmpo-wins-nba-mvp/ That's just so typical of mainstream media. Just because you agree with him doesn't mean you should blithely accept anything he says. He says the SMH removed references to God. Is that true, did they? Where's the corroborating evidence or at least a link to the original text? Should be fairly easy to link if true. Maybe they did but then again maybe, like a million times before, he's making shit up again. Have an open mind, just not so open your brain falls out.
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+x+x+xGreek Basketballer (The Greek Freak) who is the Greatest Player on the planet and winner of the NBA MVP has thanked God for his Athleticism on 3 occasions when he accepted his award on the NBA's night of nights. The SMH actually erased those parts of his acceptance speech. Our media are pushing an agenda of alternative facts they deem fit for consumption. That is when our society is headed towards dangerous waters which water down freedom of speech, thought, and our very democracy. The Greek Freak is a devout Orthodox Christian. He crosses himself with every basket and prays regularly on the basketball court. https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/06/24/the-greek-freak-has-arrived-giannis-antetokounmpo-wins-nba-mvp/ That's just so typical of mainstream media. Just because you agree with him doesn't mean you should blithely accept anything he says. He says the SMH removed references to God. Is that true, did they? Where's the corroborating evidence or at least a link to the original text? Should be fairly easy to link if true. Maybe they did but then again maybe, like a million times before, he's making shit up again. Have an open mind, just not so open your brain falls out. You're right I didn't research to find out if it's true, however my comment is simply based on his comments being true. Did you look into it and find nothing, or you just didn't believe him based on past posts?
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+x+x+x+xRob - If Folau was sacked for saying something racist, would you be supporting him and would you donate money to help pay his legal fees? There's two ways of answering that question. 1. If what he said was in fact racist, then I wouldn't donate a cent. 2. If he was sacked for a racist comment which I didn't consider racist, then yes I would donate. Ok so let's say the first situation occurred. Why is racism not ok but homophobia is? Both are forms of discrimination. Because like in the second option I don't put it under homophobia. To me homophobia is when you hate homosexuals and want nothing to do with them. Isreal doesn't fall into this category. Isreal Falou clearly is a Christian, there is no doubting that. On top of that he's one who follows his religion pretty well and loves to preach it to those he loves. Remember he constantly preaches on his own personal accounts, so for anyone who disagrees with him they can simply stop following him. And what he preaches to his people is everything that's in the bible, he doesn't pick and choose. Remember his post mentioned drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, thieves, fornicators, idolaters, and athiests will go to hell if they don't change their ways. At the same time the media won't mention the line that was added below this message which was Jesus loves us all. Now even I fall in that group and I could bet my money on it that you could also fall in this group so if I take no offence as a Christian, then how on earth does someone else who believes this religion is nothing but a made up lie take offence? You actually would have to be seriously retarded if you took offence to a post you don't believe in. It's the equivalent of me being offended by Tom Cruise for his Scientology beliefs. I basically laugh off the shit his religion preaches simply because I don't believe it for a second to be true. I'm not going to jump up and down, bitch and moan, and call for him to be sacked because he offended me. So back to your original point I won't support someone who is racists, or even homophobic. If Isreal Falou basically had only shared that homosexuality is a sin and rubbed off all the other sins, then that would tell me he's simply stirring and picking on homosexuals. If on the other hand he came out and said I don't acknoledge homosexuals and don't talk to them because they are all going to hell ect ect then I wouldn't have bothered to support him, but again he mentioned many people, so basically he was preaching in what he believes. At the very same time and I'm being 100% honest here, if Rugby Union had a code of conduct stating we don't tolerate Christian views and players aren't allowed to preach, then I wouldn't bother supporting Isreal because as a Christian he shouldn't want to play for a code like that, but that isn't their code of conduct because apparently they don't discriminate against anyone, even though clearly they have discriminated against every single Christian out there by sacking Isreal Falou, and what's even worse is ANZ Bank calling for the sacking of his wife for supporting her husband. This is a total disgrace and I can't believe there would be anyone supporting this disgusting move in this country, especially the same people who preach they believe in freedom of speech/expression/religion. Do you know that Israel doesn't hate gay people? I'm well aware that his post didn't just target gay people. I was targeted as I am an athiest, fornicator and a drunk. I wasn't offended by that as there is no negative stigma around people in those categories. There is a stigma that still exists around gay people and gay people are still targets of hate crimes. A public figure like Folau posts the the stuff he did, it helps fuel hate against gay people whether he realises it or not. "So back to your original point I won't support someone who is racists, or even homophobic." Well that's good then. "but again he mentioned many people, so basically he was preaching in what he believes." So if someone held pro-segregation views and used Bible quotes to defend their position that would be ok? They would be religious and would genuinely believe what they are saying. I don't believe the ARU are against Christians sharing their views and are against freedom of religion. I personally believe that religious freedom shouldn't give religious people the right to discriminate or take away the freedom of others and that seems to be the ARU's position too.
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Not sure why anyone would want to go to Uni in fucking Pyongyang. -PB
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+xNot sure why anyone would want to go to Uni in fucking Pyongyang. -PB This. I'm surprised they accept foreign students.
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+x+xNot sure why anyone would want to go to Uni in fucking Pyongyang. -PB This. I'm surprised they accept foreign students. A lot of people do it for the thrills . They want to see what the real North Korea without the western views on it.
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+x+x+xNot sure why anyone would want to go to Uni in fucking Pyongyang. -PB This. I'm surprised they accept foreign students. A lot of people do it for the thrills . They want to see what the real North Korea without the western views on it. Thanks, never knew that. Aren't visitors only allowed in certain parts of the country anyway?
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+x+xNot sure why anyone would want to go to Uni in fucking Pyongyang. -PB This. I'm surprised they accept foreign students. Was he a student there? I thought he was a tour guide?
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+x+x+x+xNot sure why anyone would want to go to Uni in fucking Pyongyang. -PB This. I'm surprised they accept foreign students. A lot of people do it for the thrills . They want to see what the real North Korea without the western views on it. Thanks, never knew that. Aren't visitors only allowed in certain parts of the country anyway? I have never been, but there seems to be a set tour, you can't go rogue.
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+x+x+x+x+xNot sure why anyone would want to go to Uni in fucking Pyongyang. -PB This. I'm surprised they accept foreign students. A lot of people do it for the thrills . They want to see what the real North Korea without the western views on it. Thanks, never knew that. Aren't visitors only allowed in certain parts of the country anyway? I have never been, but there seems to be a set tour, you can't go rogue. Yeah, that's what I heard as well.
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+x+x+xNot sure why anyone would want to go to Uni in fucking Pyongyang. -PB This. I'm surprised they accept foreign students. Was he a student there? I thought he was a tour guide? He was a uni student.
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+x+x+x+xNot sure why anyone would want to go to Uni in fucking Pyongyang. -PB This. I'm surprised they accept foreign students. Was he a student there? I thought he was a tour guide? He was a uni student. Uni student, when and where? From the sounds of it he went there and liked the people, became a tour guide. The last we know he has been detained.
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+x+x+x+x+xNot sure why anyone would want to go to Uni in fucking Pyongyang. -PB This. I'm surprised they accept foreign students. Was he a student there? I thought he was a tour guide? He was a uni student. Uni student, when and where? From the sounds of it he went there and liked the people, became a tour guide. The last we know he has been detained. He was studying at Kim Il-Sung university but did work as a tour guide. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-27/australian-alek-sigley-missing-in-north-korea/11251458
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+x+x+x+x+xNot sure why anyone would want to go to Uni in fucking Pyongyang. -PB This. I'm surprised they accept foreign students. A lot of people do it for the thrills . They want to see what the real North Korea without the western views on it. Thanks, never knew that. Aren't visitors only allowed in certain parts of the country anyway? I have never been, but there seems to be a set tour, you can't go rogue. And the tour is very very monitored. They make you see what they want you to see. Strange fact some western companies have warehouses there due to the pittance they can make their products for
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+x+x+x+x+x+xNot sure why anyone would want to go to Uni in fucking Pyongyang. -PB This. I'm surprised they accept foreign students. A lot of people do it for the thrills . They want to see what the real North Korea without the western views on it. Thanks, never knew that. Aren't visitors only allowed in certain parts of the country anyway? I have never been, but there seems to be a set tour, you can't go rogue. Yeah, that's what I heard as well. I have a friend who did it with his parents. It was basically a guided tour where you get drunk and do karaoke more than anything else.
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Well a young lad, probably excited by a new culture goes there and makes videos.
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+x+x+x+xGreek Basketballer (The Greek Freak) who is the Greatest Player on the planet and winner of the NBA MVP has thanked God for his Athleticism on 3 occasions when he accepted his award on the NBA's night of nights. The SMH actually erased those parts of his acceptance speech. Our media are pushing an agenda of alternative facts they deem fit for consumption. That is when our society is headed towards dangerous waters which water down freedom of speech, thought, and our very democracy. The Greek Freak is a devout Orthodox Christian. He crosses himself with every basket and prays regularly on the basketball court. https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/06/24/the-greek-freak-has-arrived-giannis-antetokounmpo-wins-nba-mvp/ That's just so typical of mainstream media. Just because you agree with him doesn't mean you should blithely accept anything he says. He says the SMH removed references to God. Is that true, did they? Where's the corroborating evidence or at least a link to the original text? Should be fairly easy to link if true. Maybe they did but then again maybe, like a million times before, he's making shit up again. Have an open mind, just not so open your brain falls out. You're right I didn't research to find out if it's true, however my comment is simply based on his comments being true. Did you look into it and find nothing, or you just didn't believe him based on past posts? No I didn't look into because so much of what he says is rubbish I really couldn't be arsed going to the trouble. (The 20% drop in house price being the latest absolute garbage and easily demonstrably false claim he's thrown out there just today to add to the litany lies he leaves around the place.). Look do whatever you want, it's your life but you really should try and apply some critical thinking skills before you nod your head in agreeance. If someone makes a claim that sounds dubious, challenge them on it, ask for the source material, get a link. In short satisfy yourself even if it goes against what you want to be true. Otherwise you're just one of the mindless plebs that swallow anything that someone that you like says.
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+x+x+x+x+xRob - If Folau was sacked for saying something racist, would you be supporting him and would you donate money to help pay his legal fees? There's two ways of answering that question. 1. If what he said was in fact racist, then I wouldn't donate a cent. 2. If he was sacked for a racist comment which I didn't consider racist, then yes I would donate. Ok so let's say the first situation occurred. Why is racism not ok but homophobia is? Both are forms of discrimination. Because like in the second option I don't put it under homophobia. To me homophobia is when you hate homosexuals and want nothing to do with them. Isreal doesn't fall into this category. Isreal Falou clearly is a Christian, there is no doubting that. On top of that he's one who follows his religion pretty well and loves to preach it to those he loves. Remember he constantly preaches on his own personal accounts, so for anyone who disagrees with him they can simply stop following him. And what he preaches to his people is everything that's in the bible, he doesn't pick and choose. Remember his post mentioned drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, thieves, fornicators, idolaters, and athiests will go to hell if they don't change their ways. At the same time the media won't mention the line that was added below this message which was Jesus loves us all. Now even I fall in that group and I could bet my money on it that you could also fall in this group so if I take no offence as a Christian, then how on earth does someone else who believes this religion is nothing but a made up lie take offence? You actually would have to be seriously retarded if you took offence to a post you don't believe in. It's the equivalent of me being offended by Tom Cruise for his Scientology beliefs. I basically laugh off the shit his religion preaches simply because I don't believe it for a second to be true. I'm not going to jump up and down, bitch and moan, and call for him to be sacked because he offended me. So back to your original point I won't support someone who is racists, or even homophobic. If Isreal Falou basically had only shared that homosexuality is a sin and rubbed off all the other sins, then that would tell me he's simply stirring and picking on homosexuals. If on the other hand he came out and said I don't acknoledge homosexuals and don't talk to them because they are all going to hell ect ect then I wouldn't have bothered to support him, but again he mentioned many people, so basically he was preaching in what he believes. At the very same time and I'm being 100% honest here, if Rugby Union had a code of conduct stating we don't tolerate Christian views and players aren't allowed to preach, then I wouldn't bother supporting Isreal because as a Christian he shouldn't want to play for a code like that, but that isn't their code of conduct because apparently they don't discriminate against anyone, even though clearly they have discriminated against every single Christian out there by sacking Isreal Falou, and what's even worse is ANZ Bank calling for the sacking of his wife for supporting her husband. This is a total disgrace and I can't believe there would be anyone supporting this disgusting move in this country, especially the same people who preach they believe in freedom of speech/expression/religion. Do you know that Israel doesn't hate gay people? I'm well aware that his post didn't just target gay people. I was targeted as I am an athiest, fornicator and a drunk. I wasn't offended by that as there is no negative stigma around people in those categories. There is a stigma that still exists around gay people and gay people are still targets of hate crimes. A public figure like Folau posts the the stuff he did, it helps fuel hate against gay people whether he realises it or not. "So back to your original point I won't support someone who is racists, or even homophobic." Well that's good then. "but again he mentioned many people, so basically he was preaching in what he believes." So if someone held pro-segregation views and used Bible quotes to defend their position that would be ok? They would be religious and would genuinely believe what they are saying. I don't believe the ARU are against Christians sharing their views and are against freedom of religion. I personally believe that religious freedom shouldn't give religious people the right to discriminate or take away the freedom of others and that seems to be the ARU's position too. I don't think it fuels hate at all. Some agree it is a sin, and some don't agree it is a sin. But regardless of anyone's opinion of any of those sins mentioned, at no point is the message to hate. I'm not exactly sure what you mean about the segregation bit, but if it is what I'm thinking, that someone states we should all stick to our own kind based off his/her belief I can't say it would offend me. I wouldn't agree with it, and I wouldn't follow it, but at no point would I call for his or her sacking. The way I see it if all you're preaching is what's right and wrong according to your religion then that's okay. If you're preaching it's okay to kill or injure someone based on your beliefs, then that's where religious freedom has crossed the line. You're entitled to have your opinion and obviously entitled to disagree, and even preach what you believe, however you shouldn't lose your job for sharing your opinion and likewise with me or anyone else. Considering you think it is right and fair to sack Isreal Falou I have just one last question to ask you. If Isreal hadn't of made the last post, however got asked by someone in the media if he thought it is a sin to be homosexual and he answered yes, would that be a sackable offence too? In this case he isn't preaching, but instead answering a question.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xRob - If Folau was sacked for saying something racist, would you be supporting him and would you donate money to help pay his legal fees? There's two ways of answering that question. 1. If what he said was in fact racist, then I wouldn't donate a cent. 2. If he was sacked for a racist comment which I didn't consider racist, then yes I would donate. Ok so let's say the first situation occurred. Why is racism not ok but homophobia is? Both are forms of discrimination. Because like in the second option I don't put it under homophobia. To me homophobia is when you hate homosexuals and want nothing to do with them. Isreal doesn't fall into this category. Isreal Falou clearly is a Christian, there is no doubting that. On top of that he's one who follows his religion pretty well and loves to preach it to those he loves. Remember he constantly preaches on his own personal accounts, so for anyone who disagrees with him they can simply stop following him. And what he preaches to his people is everything that's in the bible, he doesn't pick and choose. Remember his post mentioned drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, thieves, fornicators, idolaters, and athiests will go to hell if they don't change their ways. At the same time the media won't mention the line that was added below this message which was Jesus loves us all. Now even I fall in that group and I could bet my money on it that you could also fall in this group so if I take no offence as a Christian, then how on earth does someone else who believes this religion is nothing but a made up lie take offence? You actually would have to be seriously retarded if you took offence to a post you don't believe in. It's the equivalent of me being offended by Tom Cruise for his Scientology beliefs. I basically laugh off the shit his religion preaches simply because I don't believe it for a second to be true. I'm not going to jump up and down, bitch and moan, and call for him to be sacked because he offended me. So back to your original point I won't support someone who is racists, or even homophobic. If Isreal Falou basically had only shared that homosexuality is a sin and rubbed off all the other sins, then that would tell me he's simply stirring and picking on homosexuals. If on the other hand he came out and said I don't acknoledge homosexuals and don't talk to them because they are all going to hell ect ect then I wouldn't have bothered to support him, but again he mentioned many people, so basically he was preaching in what he believes. At the very same time and I'm being 100% honest here, if Rugby Union had a code of conduct stating we don't tolerate Christian views and players aren't allowed to preach, then I wouldn't bother supporting Isreal because as a Christian he shouldn't want to play for a code like that, but that isn't their code of conduct because apparently they don't discriminate against anyone, even though clearly they have discriminated against every single Christian out there by sacking Isreal Falou, and what's even worse is ANZ Bank calling for the sacking of his wife for supporting her husband. This is a total disgrace and I can't believe there would be anyone supporting this disgusting move in this country, especially the same people who preach they believe in freedom of speech/expression/religion. Do you know that Israel doesn't hate gay people? I'm well aware that his post didn't just target gay people. I was targeted as I am an athiest, fornicator and a drunk. I wasn't offended by that as there is no negative stigma around people in those categories. There is a stigma that still exists around gay people and gay people are still targets of hate crimes. A public figure like Folau posts the the stuff he did, it helps fuel hate against gay people whether he realises it or not. "So back to your original point I won't support someone who is racists, or even homophobic." Well that's good then. "but again he mentioned many people, so basically he was preaching in what he believes." So if someone held pro-segregation views and used Bible quotes to defend their position that would be ok? They would be religious and would genuinely believe what they are saying. I don't believe the ARU are against Christians sharing their views and are against freedom of religion. I personally believe that religious freedom shouldn't give religious people the right to discriminate or take away the freedom of others and that seems to be the ARU's position too. I don't think it fuels hate at all. Some agree it is a sin, and some don't agree it is a sin. But regardless of anyone's opinion of any of those sins mentioned, at no point is the message to hate. I'm not exactly sure what you mean about the segregation bit, but if it is what I'm thinking, that someone states we should all stick to our own kind based off his/her belief I can't say it would offend me. I wouldn't agree with it, and I wouldn't follow it, but at no point would I call for his or her sacking. The way I see it if all you're preaching is what's right and wrong according to your religion then that's okay. If you're preaching it's okay to kill or injure someone based on your beliefs, then that's where religious freedom has crossed the line. You're entitled to have your opinion and obviously entitled to disagree, and even preach what you believe, however you shouldn't lose your job for sharing your opinion and likewise with me or anyone else. Considering you think it is right and fair to sack Isreal Falou I have just one last question to ask you. If Isreal hadn't of made the last post, however got asked by someone in the media if he thought it is a sin to be homosexual and he answered yes, would that be a sackable offence too? In this case he isn't preaching, but instead answering a question. We will have to agree to disagree on the first bit. Segregation occurred in America until the 1960's. Black people weren't allowed to go to the same schools as while people, sit in the same part of the bus and black people had to stand up if a while person didn't have a seat, etc. Read more about it here.Some Christians even used the Bible to defend slavery. "The way I see it if all you're preaching is what's right and wrong according to your religion then that's okay. If you're preaching it's okay to kill or injure someone based on your beliefs, then that's where religious freedom has crossed the line. " Like I said before, I believe people can practice their religion however they like, as long as they don't discriminate against other people or take away other people's freedom. Your last question is a good question. I don't think he should be sacked for that as he's just answering a question. Israel Folau has posted anti-guy stuff on multiple occasions and if the ARU don't want to be associated with someone with his views, then they shouldn't have to be. If someone posted racist stuff in the name of religion, I think most people wouldn't be ok with that and would call for his sacking, homophobia is just as bad and should be treated with the same disdain as racism.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xRob - If Folau was sacked for saying something racist, would you be supporting him and would you donate money to help pay his legal fees? There's two ways of answering that question. 1. If what he said was in fact racist, then I wouldn't donate a cent. 2. If he was sacked for a racist comment which I didn't consider racist, then yes I would donate. Ok so let's say the first situation occurred. Why is racism not ok but homophobia is? Both are forms of discrimination. Because like in the second option I don't put it under homophobia. To me homophobia is when you hate homosexuals and want nothing to do with them. Isreal doesn't fall into this category. Isreal Falou clearly is a Christian, there is no doubting that. On top of that he's one who follows his religion pretty well and loves to preach it to those he loves. Remember he constantly preaches on his own personal accounts, so for anyone who disagrees with him they can simply stop following him. And what he preaches to his people is everything that's in the bible, he doesn't pick and choose. Remember his post mentioned drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, thieves, fornicators, idolaters, and athiests will go to hell if they don't change their ways. At the same time the media won't mention the line that was added below this message which was Jesus loves us all. Now even I fall in that group and I could bet my money on it that you could also fall in this group so if I take no offence as a Christian, then how on earth does someone else who believes this religion is nothing but a made up lie take offence? You actually would have to be seriously retarded if you took offence to a post you don't believe in. It's the equivalent of me being offended by Tom Cruise for his Scientology beliefs. I basically laugh off the shit his religion preaches simply because I don't believe it for a second to be true. I'm not going to jump up and down, bitch and moan, and call for him to be sacked because he offended me. So back to your original point I won't support someone who is racists, or even homophobic. If Isreal Falou basically had only shared that homosexuality is a sin and rubbed off all the other sins, then that would tell me he's simply stirring and picking on homosexuals. If on the other hand he came out and said I don't acknoledge homosexuals and don't talk to them because they are all going to hell ect ect then I wouldn't have bothered to support him, but again he mentioned many people, so basically he was preaching in what he believes. At the very same time and I'm being 100% honest here, if Rugby Union had a code of conduct stating we don't tolerate Christian views and players aren't allowed to preach, then I wouldn't bother supporting Isreal because as a Christian he shouldn't want to play for a code like that, but that isn't their code of conduct because apparently they don't discriminate against anyone, even though clearly they have discriminated against every single Christian out there by sacking Isreal Falou, and what's even worse is ANZ Bank calling for the sacking of his wife for supporting her husband. This is a total disgrace and I can't believe there would be anyone supporting this disgusting move in this country, especially the same people who preach they believe in freedom of speech/expression/religion. Do you know that Israel doesn't hate gay people? I'm well aware that his post didn't just target gay people. I was targeted as I am an athiest, fornicator and a drunk. I wasn't offended by that as there is no negative stigma around people in those categories. There is a stigma that still exists around gay people and gay people are still targets of hate crimes. A public figure like Folau posts the the stuff he did, it helps fuel hate against gay people whether he realises it or not. "So back to your original point I won't support someone who is racists, or even homophobic." Well that's good then. "but again he mentioned many people, so basically he was preaching in what he believes." So if someone held pro-segregation views and used Bible quotes to defend their position that would be ok? They would be religious and would genuinely believe what they are saying. I don't believe the ARU are against Christians sharing their views and are against freedom of religion. I personally believe that religious freedom shouldn't give religious people the right to discriminate or take away the freedom of others and that seems to be the ARU's position too. I don't think it fuels hate at all. Some agree it is a sin, and some don't agree it is a sin. But regardless of anyone's opinion of any of those sins mentioned, at no point is the message to hate. I'm not exactly sure what you mean about the segregation bit, but if it is what I'm thinking, that someone states we should all stick to our own kind based off his/her belief I can't say it would offend me. I wouldn't agree with it, and I wouldn't follow it, but at no point would I call for his or her sacking. The way I see it if all you're preaching is what's right and wrong according to your religion then that's okay. If you're preaching it's okay to kill or injure someone based on your beliefs, then that's where religious freedom has crossed the line. You're entitled to have your opinion and obviously entitled to disagree, and even preach what you believe, however you shouldn't lose your job for sharing your opinion and likewise with me or anyone else. Considering you think it is right and fair to sack Isreal Falou I have just one last question to ask you. If Isreal hadn't of made the last post, however got asked by someone in the media if he thought it is a sin to be homosexual and he answered yes, would that be a sackable offence too? In this case he isn't preaching, but instead answering a question. We will have to agree to disagree on the first bit. Segregation occurred in America until the 1960's. Black people weren't allowed to go to the same schools as while people, sit in the same part of the bus and black people had to stand up if a while person didn't have a seat, etc. Read more about it here.Some Christians even used the Bible to defend slavery."The way I see it if all you're preaching is what's right and wrong according to your religion then that's okay. If you're preaching it's okay to kill or injure someone based on your beliefs, then that's where religious freedom has crossed the line. " Like I said before, I believe people can practice their religion however they like, as long as they don't discriminate against other people or take away other people's freedom. Your last question is a good question. I don't think he should be sacked for that as he's just answering a question. Israel Folau has posted anti-guy stuff on multiple occasions and if the ARU don't want to be associated with someone with his views, then they shouldn't have to be. If someone posted racist stuff in the name of religion, I think most people wouldn't be ok with that and would call for his sacking, homophobia is just as bad and should be treated with the same disdain as racism. Don't you see the clear difference there? There's nothing wrong with preaching to your own followers. But enforcing things on them i's wrong like what was enforced on black people. Telling someone you could end up in hell for your sins is completely different from telling someone you have to change otherwise you'll be beaten up and arrested. I'm surprised how anyone can be supporting Rugby Union in this matter. The only person being discriminated by the sacking was Isreal Falou. Rugby Union has basically said if you choose to believe in Christianity and refuse to modify your bible according to what we believe is the right thing to do, then there is no place for you in Rugby Union. There are some topics we'll agree on and others we won't, this topic is one like you said yourself we'll just have to agree to disagree on.
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Was listening to David Marr on RN yesterday and he was saying the ACL should be careful for what it wishes for because if Folau is found to be not in breach of his contract then that will effectively stop any Christian school or organisation sacking any teacher or employee for anything they post up or say on social media. (If it is their genuinely held beliefs.) So yeah, they may win this battle but they may end up losing the war.
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Be interesting to see the litmus test if this was a Muslim making comments about infidels etc. -PB
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+xBe interesting to see the litmus test if this was a Muslim making comments about infidels etc. -PB This so much. Just look at that moron Pauline Hanson predictably supporting Folau, calling for "religious freedoms" whilst advocating for the banning of religious garments. This is why I can't take any of the pro folau crowd seriously.
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