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+xThe AFL also has 5 games in Melbourne this weekend. I don't think it matters in high density populated cities. I think its does. it keeps the fan interested and not distracted about other sports or hobbies.
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someguyjc
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+x+xThat’s happened in previous seasons - City and Victory often play at home the same weekend. By all accounts it’s not an accident and the FFA seem to think it’s a good thing. What garbage. If you have 3 games in one region, you have all the teams competing for fans and exposure on the same weekend. and there is no exposure on the weekend when all 3 teams are away. If you're a casual fan and check the fixture to see if there is a game on the weekend, but there isn't... it’s an opportunity to gain a new fan lost. You must have at least 1 game in VIC every weekend, but not all 3. The same should go for Sydney next year. This is where the AFL do it so much better. there is always 1 game per week in Adelaide, Perth, Sydney and SE QLD. The AFL also has 5 games in Melbourne this weekend. I don't think it matters in high density populated cities.
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Waz
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+x+xThat’s happened in previous seasons - City and Victory often play at home the same weekend. By all accounts it’s not an accident and the FFA seem to think it’s a good thing. What garbage. If you have 3 games in one region, you have all the teams competing for fans and exposure on the same weekend. and there is no exposure on the weekend when all 3 teams are away. If you're a casual fan and check the fixture to see if there is a game on the weekend, but there isn't... it’s an opportunity to gain a new fan lost. You must have at least 1 game in VIC every weekend, but not all 3. The same should go for Sydney next year. This is where the AFL do it so much better. there is always 1 game per week in Adelaide, Perth, Sydney and SE QLD. You’d think right. I mean his hard would it be to alternate City and Victory?
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Feed_The_Brox
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+xThat’s happened in previous seasons - City and Victory often play at home the same weekend. By all accounts it’s not an accident and the FFA seem to think it’s a good thing. What garbage. If you have 3 games in one region, you have all the teams competing for fans and exposure on the same weekend. and there is no exposure on the weekend when all 3 teams are away. If you're a casual fan and check the fixture to see if there is a game on the weekend, but there isn't... it’s an opportunity to gain a new fan lost. You must have at least 1 game in VIC every weekend, but not all 3. The same should go for Sydney next year. This is where the AFL do it so much better. there is always 1 game per week in Adelaide, Perth, Sydney and SE QLD.
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Waz
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+x+xJust looking at the fixtures again I really like the early kick off time I think they have done a good job with it we have pointed out a serious flaw in the draw (stated in the Western United thread), which I am sure you heave read. there are 4 occurances where all 3 VIC teams play at home in the same round and 4 occurances where all 3 VIC teams play away in the same round. Thats a joke. That’s happened in previous seasons - City and Victory often play at home the same weekend. By all accounts it’s not an accident and the FFA seem to think it’s a good thing.
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Feed_The_Brox
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+xJust looking at the fixtures again I really like the early kick off time I think they have done a good job with it we have pointed out a serious flaw in the draw (stated in the Western United thread), which I am sure you heave read. there are 4 occurances where all 3 VIC teams play at home in the same round and 4 occurances where all 3 VIC teams play away in the same round. Thats a joke.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xInteresting that WU are playing one of their derby games against City in Ballarat. well, WU vs City? hardly the sort of fixture which will set hearts a-flutter Maybe not for the neutrals out there, but it's probably the most important derby for both teams in question. With the growing number of MC fans feeling neglected and the disconnection between the fans and club growing, it will provide an opportunity for WU to encourage some MC fans to turncoat. If WU can win all of their games against MC, it could provide the tipping point for the ever growing number of disgruntled MC fans. Especially those MC fans that live in the western suburbs. That’s possibly a factor, although I don’t know 🤷🏻♀️ MV was the first team. A state team. So people in Ballarat probably support them. A team called City would not have meant outer people changed teams. I think there here is a risk MV fans may change. Also this match is a good chance for City fans to travel. Which could help a rivalry in itself. Because there would as I said be many MV sympathizers in the region. City v Country. I have no doubt, both MV and MC will lose supporters to WU, however I reckon MC will be the hardest hit. Massive amount of MC supporters live in the western suburbs. These are supporters that have been on board since before the club had the 'City' label. Very few are actually from the city or inner city suburbs. The majority of MV supporters are in the north and NE and NW suburbs. MV supporters are also largely happy with the club. At least happy enough not to jump ship. Not saying you're wrong, but do you have any evidence of this? I've always had a hunch that MV was strongest in the more working-class areas like the West and North, whereas City were strongest in the inner-East/inner-South-East. With both stadiums being located central, it's fairly safe to assume the bulk of supporters from both clubs are from suburbs with easy access to the city. Let's say within a ~35km radius from the CBD, give or take. A few years back, when talk of expansion was being thrown around, I remember a stat from MV saying that the biggest segments of their membership base are from the northern (+ NW & NE) suburbs, followed by east and inner east. Western suburbs were also represented but were slightly lower, but were boosted by the regional memberships in Geelong. Although I haven't seen the numbers, my hunch would be that MC supporters are from both East and West, but fewer from the northern regions. The thing is though, MV have a massive supporter base that can take a hit and then bounce back. MC have low numbers to begin so it will hurt more. Hypothetically, let's say both clubs lost 1,000 supporters to WU. For MV, that's roughly a 5% hit to their average attendance. However for MC, that equates to a 13% hit to their average attendance. Last season MC had the second lowest average attendance. A big hit from WU could put them at the bottom. If WU have a really strong season, MC have the most to lose. The only numbers I could dredge up are from here ( https://footballtoday.news/features/long-read-unpacking-the-metrics-in-the-a-league-expansion-decision). About 30% of each clubs members are from the South/South-East, and only 2% from Geelong (no data on West Melbourne, interestingly). That leaves something like ~70% of their supporter bases between West, North and Inner-East. So yeah, an enormous amount in these areas. But yes, I agree on the impact to MC. Once WU get into their stadium I can easily see MC being the third-largest team in the city.
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Just looking at the fixtures again I really like the early kick off time I think they have done a good job with it
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+xI have no doubt, both MV and MC will lose supporters to WU, however I reckon MC will be the hardest hit. Massive amount of MC supporters live in the western suburbs. These are supporters that have been on board since before the club had the 'City' label. Very few are actually from the city or inner city suburbs. The majority of MV supporters are in the north and NE and NW suburbs. MV supporters are also largely happy with the club. At least happy enough not to jump ship. wasn't there some survey a couple of years ago that says the hightest percentage of Victory fans are from the west? happy to be proven wrong on that. either way, I agree with you that City are far more likely to lose fans to due the ever increasing disconnect between club and fans.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xInteresting that WU are playing one of their derby games against City in Ballarat. well, WU vs City? hardly the sort of fixture which will set hearts a-flutter Maybe not for the neutrals out there, but it's probably the most important derby for both teams in question. With the growing number of MC fans feeling neglected and the disconnection between the fans and club growing, it will provide an opportunity for WU to encourage some MC fans to turncoat. If WU can win all of their games against MC, it could provide the tipping point for the ever growing number of disgruntled MC fans. Especially those MC fans that live in the western suburbs. That’s possibly a factor, although I don’t know 🤷🏻♀️ MV was the first team. A state team. So people in Ballarat probably support them. A team called City would not have meant outer people changed teams. I think there here is a risk MV fans may change. Also this match is a good chance for City fans to travel. Which could help a rivalry in itself. Because there would as I said be many MV sympathizers in the region. City v Country. I have no doubt, both MV and MC will lose supporters to WU, however I reckon MC will be the hardest hit. Massive amount of MC supporters live in the western suburbs. These are supporters that have been on board since before the club had the 'City' label. Very few are actually from the city or inner city suburbs. The majority of MV supporters are in the north and NE and NW suburbs. MV supporters are also largely happy with the club. At least happy enough not to jump ship. Not saying you're wrong, but do you have any evidence of this? I've always had a hunch that MV was strongest in the more working-class areas like the West and North, whereas City were strongest in the inner-East/inner-South-East. With both stadiums being located central, it's fairly safe to assume the bulk of supporters from both clubs are from suburbs with easy access to the city. Let's say within a ~35km radius from the CBD, give or take. A few years back, when talk of expansion was being thrown around, I remember a stat from MV saying that the biggest segments of their membership base are from the northern (+ NW & NE) suburbs, followed by east and inner east. Western suburbs were also represented but were slightly lower, but were boosted by the regional memberships in Geelong. Although I haven't seen the numbers, my hunch would be that MC supporters are from both East and West, but fewer from the northern regions. The thing is though, MV have a massive supporter base that can take a hit and then bounce back. MC have low numbers to begin so it will hurt more. Hypothetically, let's say both clubs lost 1,000 supporters to WU. For MV, that's roughly a 5% hit to their average attendance. However for MC, that equates to a 13% hit to their average attendance. Last season MC had the second lowest average attendance. A big hit from WU could put them at the bottom. If WU have a really strong season, MC have the most to lose.
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+x+x+x+x+xInteresting that WU are playing one of their derby games against City in Ballarat. well, WU vs City? hardly the sort of fixture which will set hearts a-flutter Maybe not for the neutrals out there, but it's probably the most important derby for both teams in question. With the growing number of MC fans feeling neglected and the disconnection between the fans and club growing, it will provide an opportunity for WU to encourage some MC fans to turncoat. If WU can win all of their games against MC, it could provide the tipping point for the ever growing number of disgruntled MC fans. Especially those MC fans that live in the western suburbs. That’s possibly a factor, although I don’t know 🤷🏻♀️ MV was the first team. A state team. So people in Ballarat probably support them. A team called City would not have meant outer people changed teams. I think there here is a risk MV fans may change. Also this match is a good chance for City fans to travel. Which could help a rivalry in itself. Because there would as I said be many MV sympathizers in the region. City v Country. I have no doubt, both MV and MC will lose supporters to WU, however I reckon MC will be the hardest hit. Massive amount of MC supporters live in the western suburbs. These are supporters that have been on board since before the club had the 'City' label. Very few are actually from the city or inner city suburbs. The majority of MV supporters are in the north and NE and NW suburbs. MV supporters are also largely happy with the club. At least happy enough not to jump ship. Not saying you're wrong, but do you have any evidence of this? I've always had a hunch that MV was strongest in the more working-class areas like the West and North, whereas City were strongest in the inner-East/inner-South-East.
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+x+x+x+xInteresting that WU are playing one of their derby games against City in Ballarat. well, WU vs City? hardly the sort of fixture which will set hearts a-flutter Maybe not for the neutrals out there, but it's probably the most important derby for both teams in question. With the growing number of MC fans feeling neglected and the disconnection between the fans and club growing, it will provide an opportunity for WU to encourage some MC fans to turncoat. If WU can win all of their games against MC, it could provide the tipping point for the ever growing number of disgruntled MC fans. Especially those MC fans that live in the western suburbs. That’s possibly a factor, although I don’t know 🤷🏻♀️ MV was the first team. A state team. So people in Ballarat probably support them. A team called City would not have meant outer people changed teams. I think there here is a risk MV fans may change. Also this match is a good chance for City fans to travel. Which could help a rivalry in itself. Because there would as I said be many MV sympathizers in the region. City v Country. I have no doubt, both MV and MC will lose supporters to WU, however I reckon MC will be the hardest hit. Massive amount of MC supporters live in the western suburbs. These are supporters that have been on board since before the club had the 'City' label. Very few are actually from the city or inner city suburbs. The majority of MV supporters are in the north and NE and NW suburbs. MV supporters are also largely happy with the club. At least happy enough not to jump ship.
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+x+x+xInteresting that WU are playing one of their derby games against City in Ballarat. well, WU vs City? hardly the sort of fixture which will set hearts a-flutter Maybe not for the neutrals out there, but it's probably the most important derby for both teams in question. With the growing number of MC fans feeling neglected and the disconnection between the fans and club growing, it will provide an opportunity for WU to encourage some MC fans to turncoat. If WU can win all of their games against MC, it could provide the tipping point for the ever growing number of disgruntled MC fans. Especially those MC fans that live in the western suburbs. That’s possibly a factor, although I don’t know 🤷🏻♀️ MV was the first team. A state team. So people in Ballarat probably support them. A team called City would not have meant outer people changed teams. I think there here is a risk MV fans may change. Also this match is a good chance for City fans to travel. Which could help a rivalry in itself. Because there would as I said be many MV sympathizers in the region. City v Country.
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+xThe real derby in several years will be Sydney Croatia and wanderers in a pro/rel system, I wonder how many wanderers fans would jump ship. They are known for it. Looking forward to 40k at this game on a regular basis.
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The real derby in several years will be Sydney Croatia and wanderers in a pro/rel system, I wonder how many wanderers fans would jump ship.
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+x+xInteresting that WU are playing one of their derby games against City in Ballarat. well, WU vs City? hardly the sort of fixture which will set hearts a-flutter Maybe not for the neutrals out there, but it's probably the most important derby for both teams in question. With the growing number of MC fans feeling neglected and the disconnection between the fans and club growing, it will provide an opportunity for WU to encourage some MC fans to turncoat. If WU can win all of their games against MC, it could provide the tipping point for the ever growing number of disgruntled MC fans. Especially those MC fans that live in the western suburbs.
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+xInteresting that WU are playing one of their derby games against City in Ballarat. well, WU vs City? hardly the sort of fixture which will set hearts a-flutter
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Interesting that WU are playing one of their derby games against City in Ballarat.
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+x+x+x+xJust realised also there will have been 6 Melbourne derbies by round 13 That’s pretty much the season halfway mark, how many Melbourne derbies are there? 9 in total And there shouldn't even be that many, given the shorter season and uneven draw. Complete farce. And it wont pay off either Casual fans go to 2-3 games a year. They are casual fans for a reason So with 2 Sydney home games, 2 WU home games, and 3 MC games in Melbourne (1 "home"), thats 7 games the FFA are hoping casual fans will go to. I can see WU playing the role of NQF in the three derbies
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+x+x+x+x+x+xJust realised also there will have been 6 Melbourne derbies by round 13 That’s pretty much the season halfway mark, how many Melbourne derbies are there? 9 in total And there shouldn't even be that many, given the shorter season and uneven draw. Complete farce. Just part of the HAL fixture being premature huh? So true mate. So many slaps here. Well said.
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+x+x+x+x+xJust realised also there will have been 6 Melbourne derbies by round 13 That’s pretty much the season halfway mark, how many Melbourne derbies are there? 9 in total And there shouldn't even be that many, given the shorter season and uneven draw. Complete farce. Just part of the HAL fixture being premature huh?
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+x+x+x+xJust realised also there will have been 6 Melbourne derbies by round 13 That’s pretty much the season halfway mark, how many Melbourne derbies are there? 9 in total And there shouldn't even be that many, given the shorter season and uneven draw. Complete farce. Just part of the HAL fixture being premature
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+x+x+xJust realised also there will have been 6 Melbourne derbies by round 13 That’s pretty much the season halfway mark, how many Melbourne derbies are there? 9 in total And there shouldn't even be that many, given the shorter season and uneven draw. Complete farce.
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+x+xJust realised also there will have been 6 Melbourne derbies by round 13 That’s pretty much the season halfway mark, how many Melbourne derbies are there? 9 in total
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+xJust realised also there will have been 6 Melbourne derbies by round 13 That’s pretty much the season halfway mark, how many Melbourne derbies are there?
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+xJust realised also there will have been 6 Melbourne derbies by round 13 What a joke. Thanks new ffa...
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+xSo what happened with the so called Tassie games??? CCM are coming down in preseason now and playing a Tasmania NPL composite team on Sunday 8th then South Hobart on Tuesday 10th.
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+xSo what happened with the so called Tassie games??? ” ...... It is understood Football Tasmania was in talks to bring Western United matches to the state for the upcoming season, and requested $300,000 in State Government funding to bring one pre-season game and two regular-season games.However, the State Government did not commit to funding games for the upcoming season,....” https://www.themercury.com.au/sport/no-aleague-games-for-tasmania-this-season-after-failure-to-secure-government-funding/news-story/cc80294d06a8171dc1beae9e8f51d438
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Just realised also there will have been 6 Melbourne derbies by round 13
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+xPretty much as expected. All of the extra games on top of the home/away games are derbies or games that typically draw bigger crowds and dollars. MV will play SFC, MC, AU, PG and WU three times throughout the season. Thats 5 teams. They also play WU three times (edit: My bad, firs read WU as WP - the 6th team) Not to mention WU in round 4 and round 9 We would have played city MC and WU twice before our first bye in round 12
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