[POLL- fixed] Do you care about New Zealand Football?
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Champagne Football
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+x+x+x+x+x+xCan anyone name one other club in world football that doesn't play in their own country's federation? Not having a go (maybe I am), but I am genuinely interested to know. I think Wellington are to only club in the world in that situation. Happy to be proven wrong. Sure, I can name five on the spot. Swansea City, Cardiff City, Montreal Impact, Toronto FC, Vancouver Whitecaps. What you describe is hardly unusual. WTF are you talking about? Wales and England are in the same confederation (UEFA). USA and Canada are in the same confederation (CONCACAF). Australia (AFC) and NZ (OFC) are not in the same confederation. That is unusual. In fact, unique it appears. AFAIK, Wellington Phoenix are unique in that they compete in a league different confederation (OFC->AFC). As others have mentioned, there are plenty of teams that compete in a different country within the same confederation - probably more than most people realise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_clubs_playing_in_the_league_of_another_countryHowever, the French cup is open to all teams in France AND in French overseas territories.meaning that the French cup, despite being a "domestic" competition in a UEFA nation, includes clubs from the North American, African and Oceanian confererations. In last season's cup, teams from France had to travel to Martinique, French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Reunion and New Caledonia, and teams from Reunion, Mayotte, French Guiana, Guadeloupe and Tahiti had to travel to France as part of the cup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Coupe_de_France#Overseas_Territories_teamsSo there is a precedent for teams in one confederation competing in a domestic competition within another confederation. That's a cup, not a domestic competition/league. The French cup isn't a domestic competition?  The clubs you are talking about are all from French territories, dude! The people from those territories are eligible for French citizenship. Is NZ an Australian territory? Last time I checked, they weren't.
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nomates
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You know what I like about all of this, and its fact - Is that Wellington get to say YES or NO to a Canberra HAL team. So NZF have a say on who can compete in a Australian league now that's funny and sad but good all at once.
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+xYou know what I like about all of this, and its fact - Is that Wellington get to say YES or NO to a Canberra HAL team. So NZF have a say on who can compete in a Australian league now that's funny and sad but good all at once. NoMates wants his very own Wooden Spoon.
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ErogenousZone
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+x+xYou know what I like about all of this, and its fact - Is that Wellington get to say YES or NO to a Canberra HAL team. So NZF have a say on who can compete in a Australian league now that's funny and sad but good all at once. NoMates wants his very own Wooden Spoon. He gets spanked on this forum everyday.
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RyanM
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+xThis is a tired argument. I accept like most others that the Nix are here for the foreseeable future, but let's not make stuff up to try and justify/normalize their inclusion. No one has actually yet provided an example of another club playing in a full-length, season-long domestic league competition that is from another CONfederation (not federation!). Cup competitions/invitational tournaments are not the same thing as a domestic league competition. Also, FIFA's total and utter indifference to Australian football hardly equates to "FIFA are pro-Wellington playing in a different confederation". If the AFC decided to really kick up a massive stink about WP being in the HAL (which isn't out of the realms of possibility, as they're ineligible for the ACL, and their is already a fair bit of resentment from the rest of Asia towards us "non-Asians" anyway), FIFA wouldn't hesitate to promptly kick them out. FIFA are pro the Nix, there was a transcript from a board meeting flowing around about it. Also, there is no confederation issue. You say don't make stuff up to normalise the Phoenix's inclusion, the other side of that coin is don't make up stuff to justify removing them (which won't happen). This discussion is pointless, the Phoenix are part owners of the league and are here long term.
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When I remember the Pheonix rising from the ashes, those were the best and golen years for football when the NZ finally made it into the A-League after just 2 years of the A-League being invented. I have no idea why the fuck they decided to put this team in the league, but its gone complete down hill like a barrel of shit every since. Maybe they shouldn't have been in the league to start with ?
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quickflick
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+x+x+xCan anyone name one other club in world football that doesn't play in their own country's federation? Not having a go (maybe I am), but I am genuinely interested to know. I think Wellington are to only club in the world in that situation. Happy to be proven wrong. Sure, I can name five on the spot. Swansea City, Cardiff City, Montreal Impact, Toronto FC, Vancouver Whitecaps. What you describe is hardly unusual. WTF are you talking about? Wales and England are in the same confederation (UEFA). USA and Canada are in the same confederation (CONCACAF). Australia (AFC) and NZ (OFC) are not in the same confederation. That is unusual. In fact, unique it appears. Fair enough. The thing is... you wrote ‘their own country’s federation’. Forgive me for understanding what you wrote according to its literal meaning. But it appears now that you understand you meant the ‘confederation’ to which the country’s federation belongs.
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ErogenousZone
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So will you all be so solicitous & caring about New Zealand Football when they qualify for the next World Cup & we don't ?
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i do, but then i believe NZ should become a State of Australia.
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ErogenousZone
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+xi do, but then i believe NZ should become a State of Australia. :hehe::laugh:
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+xi do, but then i believe NZ should become a State of Australia. Consistent.
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quickflick
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+xSo will you all be so solicitous & caring about New Zealand Football when they qualify for the next World Cup & we don't ? As far as I’m concerned, if NZ qualify for the World Cup via one of the most difficult pathways while Australia don’t qualify, despite having one of the two easiest pathways, good luck to NZ.
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Didn't someone post the [FACT] that Wellington is an Australian (registered) team (based in NZ), and not a New Zealand (nor OFC) team, anyways?? The rest is pretty much moot.
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+x+xSo will you all be so solicitous & caring about New Zealand Football when they qualify for the next World Cup & we don't ? As far as I’m concerned, if NZ qualify for the World Cup via one of the most difficult pathways while Australia don’t qualify, despite having one of the two easiest pathways, good luck to NZ. New Zealand All Whites on paper have a far superior team then the Socceroos.
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+x+x+xSo will you all be so solicitous & caring about New Zealand Football when they qualify for the next World Cup & we don't ? As far as I’m concerned, if NZ qualify for the World Cup via one of the most difficult pathways while Australia don’t qualify, despite having one of the two easiest pathways, good luck to NZ. New Zealand All Whites on paper have a far superior team then the Socceroos. Oh dear god :laugh:
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aok
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+xDidn't someone post the [FACT] that Wellington is an Australian (registered) team (based in NZ), and not a New Zealand (nor OFC) team, anyways?? The rest is pretty much moot. Possibly, but then their squad should also be reflective of every Aus team (ie Kiwis counted as foreigners)
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+x+xThis is a tired argument. I accept like most others that the Nix are here for the foreseeable future, but let's not make stuff up to try and justify/normalize their inclusion. No one has actually yet provided an example of another club playing in a full-length, season-long domestic league competition that is from another CONfederation (not federation!). Cup competitions/invitational tournaments are not the same thing as a domestic league competition. Also, FIFA's total and utter indifference to Australian football hardly equates to "FIFA are pro-Wellington playing in a different confederation". If the AFC decided to really kick up a massive stink about WP being in the HAL (which isn't out of the realms of possibility, as they're ineligible for the ACL, and their is already a fair bit of resentment from the rest of Asia towards us "non-Asians" anyway), FIFA wouldn't hesitate to promptly kick them out. FIFA are pro the Nix, there was a transcript from a board meeting flowing around about it. Also, there is no confederation issue. You say don't make stuff up to normalise the Phoenix's inclusion, the other side of that coin is don't make up stuff to justify removing them (which won't happen). This discussion is pointless, the Phoenix are part owners of the league and are here long term. Link to that transcript if possible?Obviously they need to be approved by FIFA to play in a different confederation, but that was a decision undoubtedly made much easier by the FFA, OFC and AFC already giving them the green light. I should've worded it differently, but I meant "pro-Wellington" in the terms of FIFA showing a high level of enthusiasm towards them playing in an AFC league.No confederation issue? So why aren't they eligible for the ACL? Yeah, WP are here and aren't going anywhere any time soon. But it doesn't mean that people can't scrutinize their inclusion. I do agree that this has become a fairly pointless discussion though.
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NZ Football has no real impact on me so I some particularly care one way or another - I'll admit when I watch their WC games I'm definitely in their corner but I'm not a passionate fan by any means. With that being said I think booting the Nix from the HAL will be detrimental in the league's current state (reinforcing the 'current state' bit here) - like it or not, at the very least they are an established team in the competition and we need more teams, not less. I'm skeptical to think that there are a flurry of new Aussie teams that can jump in immediately. In the more mid-to-long term I absolutely want more Aussie teams and I do believe it is a matter of 'when' and not 'if' but I want those teams to be stronger than the Nix and not just introduced in their place for the sake of it.
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+x+xDidn't someone post the [FACT] that Wellington is an Australian (registered) team (based in NZ), and not a New Zealand (nor OFC) team, anyways?? The rest is pretty much moot. Possibly, but then their squad should also be reflective of every Aus team (ie Kiwis counted as foreigners) This. Half the hate would be gone if this was applied.
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New poll?
Do FFA/APFCA care if 442 members care about NZ Football?
5 pages of pissing in the wind.
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+xNew poll? Do FFA/APFCA care if 442 members care about NZ Football? 5 pages of pissing in the wind. Its funny seeing more kiwis in this thread or the Singh one instead of talking in their own club thread, talk about pissing in the wind.
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+x+x+xDidn't someone post the [FACT] that Wellington is an Australian (registered) team (based in NZ), and not a New Zealand (nor OFC) team, anyways?? The rest is pretty much moot. Possibly, but then their squad should also be reflective of every Aus team (ie Kiwis counted as foreigners) This. Half the hate would be gone if this was applied. Pretty much.
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+x+xSo will you all be so solicitous & caring about New Zealand Football when they qualify for the next World Cup & we don't ? As far as I’m concerned, if NZ qualify for the World Cup via one of the most difficult pathways while Australia don’t qualify, despite having one of the two easiest pathways, good luck to NZ. I'd say Australia's qualifying path is more significantly difficult these days considering the vast improvement & $$$$ by other teams in the AFC compared to other teams in Oceania.
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+x+xNew poll? Do FFA/APFCA care if 442 members care about NZ Football? 5 pages of pissing in the wind. Its funny seeing more kiwis in this thread or the Singh one instead of talking in their own club thread, talk about pissing in the wind. Lots of talk about FFA Governace, Matildas, A-league, and the continued Nix Out drama from many. Also NZF governance and Making Change at NZF.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCan anyone name one other club in world football that doesn't play in their own country's federation? Not having a go (maybe I am), but I am genuinely interested to know. I think Wellington are to only club in the world in that situation. Happy to be proven wrong. Sure, I can name five on the spot. Swansea City, Cardiff City, Montreal Impact, Toronto FC, Vancouver Whitecaps. What you describe is hardly unusual. WTF are you talking about? Wales and England are in the same confederation (UEFA). USA and Canada are in the same confederation (CONCACAF). Australia (AFC) and NZ (OFC) are not in the same confederation. That is unusual. In fact, unique it appears. AFAIK, Wellington Phoenix are unique in that they compete in a league different confederation (OFC->AFC). As others have mentioned, there are plenty of teams that compete in a different country within the same confederation - probably more than most people realise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_clubs_playing_in_the_league_of_another_countryHowever, the French cup is open to all teams in France AND in French overseas territories.meaning that the French cup, despite being a "domestic" competition in a UEFA nation, includes clubs from the North American, African and Oceanian confererations. In last season's cup, teams from France had to travel to Martinique, French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Reunion and New Caledonia, and teams from Reunion, Mayotte, French Guiana, Guadeloupe and Tahiti had to travel to France as part of the cup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Coupe_de_France#Overseas_Territories_teamsSo there is a precedent for teams in one confederation competing in a domestic competition within another confederation. That's a cup, not a domestic competition/league. The French cup isn't a domestic competition? The clubs you are talking about are all from French territories, dude! The people from those territories are eligible for French citizenship. Is NZ an Australian territory? Last time I checked, they weren't. The clubs I'm talking about are members of the CONCACAF, CAF and OFC confederations. And yet they are allowed compete in a French competition, which is part of UEFA. So there you go - an example of teams other than Wellington Phoenix who compete in a different confederation. Oh, and to answer your original question with another question; Can anyone name one other club in world football that doesn't play in their own country's federation?" Can YOU name a club that doesn't play in their own country's confederation? Because Wellington Phoenix do have a team that plays in the NZ championship.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCan anyone name one other club in world football that doesn't play in their own country's federation? Not having a go (maybe I am), but I am genuinely interested to know. I think Wellington are to only club in the world in that situation. Happy to be proven wrong. Sure, I can name five on the spot. Swansea City, Cardiff City, Montreal Impact, Toronto FC, Vancouver Whitecaps. What you describe is hardly unusual. WTF are you talking about? Wales and England are in the same confederation (UEFA). USA and Canada are in the same confederation (CONCACAF). Australia (AFC) and NZ (OFC) are not in the same confederation. That is unusual. In fact, unique it appears. AFAIK, Wellington Phoenix are unique in that they compete in a league different confederation (OFC->AFC). As others have mentioned, there are plenty of teams that compete in a different country within the same confederation - probably more than most people realise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_clubs_playing_in_the_league_of_another_countryHowever, the French cup is open to all teams in France AND in French overseas territories.meaning that the French cup, despite being a "domestic" competition in a UEFA nation, includes clubs from the North American, African and Oceanian confererations. In last season's cup, teams from France had to travel to Martinique, French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Reunion and New Caledonia, and teams from Reunion, Mayotte, French Guiana, Guadeloupe and Tahiti had to travel to France as part of the cup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Coupe_de_France#Overseas_Territories_teamsSo there is a precedent for teams in one confederation competing in a domestic competition within another confederation. That's a cup, not a domestic competition/league. The French cup isn't a domestic competition? The clubs you are talking about are all from French territories, dude! The people from those territories are eligible for French citizenship. Is NZ an Australian territory? Last time I checked, they weren't. The clubs I'm talking about are members of the CONCACAF, CAF and OFC confederations. And yet they are allowed compete in a French competition, which is part of UEFA. So there you go - an example of teams other than Wellington Phoenix who compete in a different confederation. Oh, and to answer your original question with another question; Can anyone name one other club in world football that doesn't play in their own country's federation?" Can YOU name a club that doesn't play in their own country's confederation? Because Wellington Phoenix do have a team that plays in the NZ championship. Once again, the French Cup is just that, a cup competition, not a domestic season-long league. You are clutching at straws, my friend.
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petszk
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCan anyone name one other club in world football that doesn't play in their own country's federation? Not having a go (maybe I am), but I am genuinely interested to know. I think Wellington are to only club in the world in that situation. Happy to be proven wrong. Sure, I can name five on the spot. Swansea City, Cardiff City, Montreal Impact, Toronto FC, Vancouver Whitecaps. What you describe is hardly unusual. WTF are you talking about? Wales and England are in the same confederation (UEFA). USA and Canada are in the same confederation (CONCACAF). Australia (AFC) and NZ (OFC) are not in the same confederation. That is unusual. In fact, unique it appears. AFAIK, Wellington Phoenix are unique in that they compete in a league different confederation (OFC->AFC). As others have mentioned, there are plenty of teams that compete in a different country within the same confederation - probably more than most people realise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_clubs_playing_in_the_league_of_another_countryHowever, the French cup is open to all teams in France AND in French overseas territories.meaning that the French cup, despite being a "domestic" competition in a UEFA nation, includes clubs from the North American, African and Oceanian confererations. In last season's cup, teams from France had to travel to Martinique, French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Reunion and New Caledonia, and teams from Reunion, Mayotte, French Guiana, Guadeloupe and Tahiti had to travel to France as part of the cup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Coupe_de_France#Overseas_Territories_teamsSo there is a precedent for teams in one confederation competing in a domestic competition within another confederation. That's a cup, not a domestic competition/league. The French cup isn't a domestic competition? The clubs you are talking about are all from French territories, dude! The people from those territories are eligible for French citizenship. Is NZ an Australian territory? Last time I checked, they weren't. The clubs I'm talking about are members of the CONCACAF, CAF and OFC confederations. And yet they are allowed compete in a French competition, which is part of UEFA. So there you go - an example of teams other than Wellington Phoenix who compete in a different confederation. Oh, and to answer your original question with another question; Can anyone name one other club in world football that doesn't play in their own country's federation?" Can YOU name a club that doesn't play in their own country's confederation? Because Wellington Phoenix do have a team that plays in the NZ championship. Once again, the French Cup is just that, a cup competition, not a domestic season-long league. You are clutching at straws, my friend. Did your original question include the term "season-long league", or are you just shifting the goal posts?
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+x+x+xSo will you all be so solicitous & caring about New Zealand Football when they qualify for the next World Cup & we don't ? As far as I’m concerned, if NZ qualify for the World Cup via one of the most difficult pathways while Australia don’t qualify, despite having one of the two easiest pathways, good luck to NZ. I'd say Australia's qualifying path is more significantly difficult these days considering the vast improvement & $$$$ by other teams in the AFC compared to other teams in Oceania. But Asia gets 4.5 spots. Oceania gets 0.5 spots. No direct qualification??? Still much harder for in Oceania due to that bloody play-off. There’s a reason that Australia went 32 years between qualifying for World Cups. Meanwhile, since joining the AFC it has been the opposite so far. When you consider all that, it’s untenable to say that our qualification pathway is currently more difficult than NZ’s pathway. Never mind how much money there is in Asia...
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+x+xNew poll? Do FFA/APFCA care if 442 members care about NZ Football? 5 pages of pissing in the wind. Its funny seeing more kiwis in this thread or the Singh one instead of talking in their own club thread, talk about pissing in the wind. There are far better and more productive sites to discuss club news than here.
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+x+xNew poll? Do FFA/APFCA care if 442 members care about NZ Football? 5 pages of pissing in the wind. Its funny seeing more kiwis in this thread or the Singh one instead of talking in their own club thread, talk about pissing in the wind. Start a thread with the title 'Do you care about WSW?' and see if any WSW fans turn up to defend the club. I'd assume yes. Much better than apathy.. Lots of other places where Nix fans discuss; this would be one of the last because it's so fucking toxic all of the time.
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