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From 5 to 7 coming into this test our batters average 27, 25 and 30. Or based on form the past year average 24, 20 and 20. That is criminal selection especially when you choose to do nothing about the under performing openers either.
If only we had someone who was averaging over 40 who was previously batting in the middle order we could use.
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+x+xPathetic from Australia. You can now count on England winning the match. The wicket will fall apart. And all our batsmen (save two) are useless. So, once again, we fail to win a Test series in England. That makes it over two freaking decades. Paine and Marsh need to be hauled over the coals for their batting. Both threw their wickets away. Wade looks technically suspect to left arm swing. Watching our hapless batsmen is so exasperating. Paine’s position isn’t that tenable, imo. His captaincy has been hit-and-miss and his batting mediocre. Is he going to improve? Possible but highly unlikely. If we are discussing the keeper's batting as being a key component of a supposedly disappointing series of retaining the Ashes, after a team rebuilding subsequent to the ball tempering fiasco in SA, then the top 6, as a collective unit, can't have done their job too well. Paine has the third highest batting average, 1 run behind Haddin, of all Aussie keepers in Test history. Paine's captaincy, in terms of being a leader of men, has generated praise from all and sundry who have insight into the job. Paine's brother, Nick, waxed lyrical in the local tabloid about the difference between before he took over as captain in Smith's tenure as captain, and the current dressing room morale. Nick has visited the Aussie dressing room on a number of occasions. Of course Langer is a big part of that too. As long as Paine 's keeping is good enough, I'm sure will be leading the Test team in a dearth of suitable options from the best players in the country. Finch, although not good enough as a Test player, has captained the one day team admirably too. I already wrote that this was an informative post DC. Where did that post go? Interesting about Tim's brother visiting a happy and confident dressing room. Pity our batsmen have not converted that confidence into performance.
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+xFrom 5 to 7 coming into this test our batters average 27, 25 and 30. Or based on form the past year average 24, 20 and 20. That is criminal selection especially when you choose to do nothing about the under performing openers either. If only we had someone who was averaging over 40 who was previously batting in the middle order we could use. We have, Kurtis Patterson.. but CA in its wisdom sent him home after the A tour.
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+x+xMitch Marsh will be kicking himself for the way he was out. Two balls earlier he had smoked a cover drive described by cricinfo as sublime to fall so softly shortly after. Why didnt Leach spill it as Siddle had done the day before and give us a much needed life.. Still all is not lost as England's batting has been no better than ours.. worse in fact. We have not succumbed to anywhere near their 67. Wade also looked good for his 17 runs. Curran worried him, but was it loss of concentration that led to the dismissals of both Wade and Marsh? I didn't see Paine's dismissal, but he usually finds ways to get out too. Gday all, jaszyjim - and I think it's time to comment on Paine. I can sum him up very briefly "can't bat, can't keep, can't captain" He will go down as one of the worst captains to captain an Australian test side, ironically retaining the ashes.
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+x+xFrom 5 to 7 coming into this test our batters average 27, 25 and 30. Or based on form the past year average 24, 20 and 20. That is criminal selection especially when you choose to do nothing about the under performing openers either. If only we had someone who was averaging over 40 who was previously batting in the middle order we could use. We have, Kurtis Patterson.. but CA in its wisdom sent him home after the A tour. I was alluding to Head, but Patterson should be here too. Put those two in at 5 and 6 and all of a sudden we might be able to score some more runs.
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+x+x+xFrom 5 to 7 coming into this test our batters average 27, 25 and 30. Or based on form the past year average 24, 20 and 20. That is criminal selection especially when you choose to do nothing about the under performing openers either. If only we had someone who was averaging over 40 who was previously batting in the middle order we could use. We have, Kurtis Patterson.. but CA in its wisdom sent him home after the A tour. I was alluding to Head, but Patterson should be here too. Put those two in at 5 and 6 and all of a sudden we might be able to score some more runs. Head yes but he has lost some leeway for mine with his sporadic performance in this series. Comms have picked up his weakness against the Dukes. He has been searching for the ball instead of playing later and under his eyeline. That explains his inconsistency negotiating any ball that moves. His conversion rate is mediocre too. Perhaps some more time in shield cricket.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x463 wickets from 132 Tests, at 28 average and 57 strike rate is good. Not quite 4 wickets per Test, but good enough. In these Ashes he is one of the top wicket takes and ATM has 4 wickets per Test, 20 wickets, with nearly two entire innings to come. He has destroyed most of our left handers. Broad has been a tough adversary for Australia. Broad has played 1 test less than Murali, and half about half the wickets. If you play 133 tests, you'll get some wickets. The total tally is a meaningless stat for for the Big 3. More so England, who play the most tests... Cook looked he would be the leading run scorer in the world before he fell away. He aint making an ATG 5th team. And we all know it. Pollock, Hobbes, Lara, Hutton, Gavaskar... we can keep going to Langer... 28 is good in Aus, its not that impressive in England on these pitches the world has seen in the last 6 years which are the most testing since the 1950's... at least in a batting run production viewpoint.... Given Broad is 7th on the all time wicket taking list, he is a great for mine. He has been effective at Test level for 12 years. LoL! I'd drop him for Anderson if fit and TRJ both... I think he's totally overrated, and lucky to have played far too many tests than he deserved on form or merit... He averages 33.73 away from home. And you think he's great. Well he has played 77 tests at home. At 26.75. That's still not ATG material for those that played home and away in my book. But you can rate the total tally count if you like. They're not a stat, they're data :) I'd surmise all those bowlers with less Test wickets would have like to have changed places with him, Paddles. Many players only play a few Tests, and some none at all! In the entire history of NZ cricket, who has taken anywhere near as many Test wickets as Broad? Noone. But NZ is ranked 2nd. And England is ranked 4th. So if Broad is much better than NZ's bowlers, why they sucking? But if you really think Broad is a better bowler than Boult, Cowie, Bond - let alone Hadlee - this conversation won't go far. Broad is ordinary as heck. He has just played more tests. I am not a stats school teacher, so if you don't understand stats, I am not able to help you. We will have to agree to disagree, but I'm astonished you think anyone ranked as highly in Test history can be ordinary. Durability and efficacy are admirable qualities. DC there is a difference between performances based on longevity and ability. Broad has had a very long career based on the fact that Eng have had problems finding quality quicks, They have questioned that themselves and is one of the reasons they did take Anderson's one day format away from him, to extend his career in test cricket as there was no one else. Here is a list of the fastest to 400 wickets http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283542.html.As you can see there is daylight between Broad and players like Steyn, Hadlee, McGrath etc. Most bowlers should be about 90 test or less but this is where I don't like Matches played rather prefer innings bowled, (I've tried everything can't seem to bring that up for you). But I'll point out Broad has bowled in 241 innings for 463 wickets (1.9 wickets per innings) believe it or not that ratio is enough to be dropped and should be dropped from most world sides and most have been. Look currently at Starc 99 innings 215 wickets (2.17 wickets per innings) massive questions on him only selected for 1 test this series, so whether you are pro or anti Starc that sort of stat is just not enough to support his dropping. Sure Cummins (av 2.6 wickets per innings) and Pattinson (av 2.2 wickets per innings) are currently better but Pattinson only playing 2 tests. So as you can see a 2.2 wickets per innings is generally the number that justifies continued selection in a world wide scheme, unless there is just no one else. Hadlee played 86 tests but only bowled 150 innings (86 test you would assume is 172 innings but he didn't thus why I prefer innings bowled) took 431 wickets (massive 2.9 wickets per innings) and that number is why he is a legend. Wasim Akram who only bowled 181 innings for 414 wickets (2.3 wickets per innings). Curtley Ambrose who did play 98 matches but he only bowled 179 innings took 405 wickets (2.3 wickets per innings). Glen McGrath also bowled 243 innings (same as Broad) but took 563 wickets (2.3 wickets per innings) Dale Steyn only bowled 171 innings for 439 wickets (2.6 wickets per innings). Even players who didn't make 400 wickets like Ian Botham 168 innings 383 wickets (2.3 wickets per innings) Dennis Lillee bowled 132 innings for 355 wickets (2.7 wickets per innings) Craig McDermott bowled 124 innings for 291 wickets (2.35 wickets per innings) You'll have to take my word for it but nearly every "record holding great bowlers" are averaging 2.3+ wickets per innings that is what makes them great. but that is where someone like Courtney Walsh with 2.15 wickets per innings or Jimmy Anderson with 2.1 wickets may just scrape in with the selection aspect but they're not "great", they only achieved what they achieved due to longevity not ability, But I'll say that any player with an average of less than 2.1 has no business being anywhere near an international test team, especially an opening bowler, unless there is just no one else, then they are lucky to be selected, as in the case of Broad. You cannot have your No 1 or 2 bowlers taking 2.1 wickets per innings or under and expect to win, you need 5 bowlers if that is the case, you will lose more than you win, and questions should be raised when you're losing. Which is exactly what is happening to England, they play 5 bowlers nearly every test, relying on all rounders to help the batting line up. Players like Kapil Dev weren't "great" bowlers, though he did play half his games in India. but a batting average of 31 helped him to become a legend in an all rounder aspect. Maybe England see Broad as an all rounder and with a batting average of around 20 maybe he is. As far as most informed pundits are concerned, Broad has been the mainstay of their attack over 5 Tests. He has 20 odd wickets for this Ashes series. Who are we, as people who have never played Test cricket, to question his overall credentials as the 7th greatest wicket taker in Test history over a 12 year career? Broad has been a veritable thorn in Australia’s side home and away. Even if he has arguably higher strike rates and higher bowling averages than others who have played less Tests, he has been a damn good bowler! Broad has destroyed our openers, and most of our specialist left handed batters in this series. Fair play to him. Broad has been a veritable pillow for Australia in Australia.
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similar to harmison
lethal in england and terrible in Australia
Any away trophy is a big deal even though it took a bradmanesque smith. Still its a shame if we end on a low note. Siddle's bowling was poor on day 1 (and why him over the variation option in Pattinson/Starc?) and cummins had a rare off day. Follow that with dropping root 3 times and a bit of a lack lustre batting performance (why drop head who has one of the better averages this series?) and we are in a real spot of both in this test.
In any case ticket tape parade for retaining the ashes in away territory! Lets try and dig ourselves out of this hole!
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+x+x+x+xFrom 5 to 7 coming into this test our batters average 27, 25 and 30. Or based on form the past year average 24, 20 and 20. That is criminal selection especially when you choose to do nothing about the under performing openers either. If only we had someone who was averaging over 40 who was previously batting in the middle order we could use. We have, Kurtis Patterson.. but CA in its wisdom sent him home after the A tour. I was alluding to Head, but Patterson should be here too. Put those two in at 5 and 6 and all of a sudden we might be able to score some more runs. Head yes but he has lost some leeway for mine with his sporadic performance in this series. Comms have picked up his weakness against the Dukes. He has been searching for the ball instead of playing later and under his eyeline. That explains his inconsistency negotiating any ball that moves. His conversion rate is mediocre too. Perhaps some more time in shield cricket. Head has our 3rd best average this series and currently averaging over 40 in his career. It was a shocking call to drop him after one bad test
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+x+x+xFrom 5 to 7 coming into this test our batters average 27, 25 and 30. Or based on form the past year average 24, 20 and 20. That is criminal selection especially when you choose to do nothing about the under performing openers either. If only we had someone who was averaging over 40 who was previously batting in the middle order we could use. We have, Kurtis Patterson.. but CA in its wisdom sent him home after the A tour. I was alluding to Head, but Patterson should be here too. Put those two in at 5 and 6 and all of a sudden we might be able to score some more runs. I found it interesting that Wade was retained ahead of Head, tbh. That wouldn't have been an easy decision to make. But the old Mitch Marsh headache reopens. He bowled tremendously well, accurate and had the ball talking, fair play to him, but he needs runs,
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+x+x+x+x+xFrom 5 to 7 coming into this test our batters average 27, 25 and 30. Or based on form the past year average 24, 20 and 20. That is criminal selection especially when you choose to do nothing about the under performing openers either. If only we had someone who was averaging over 40 who was previously batting in the middle order we could use. We have, Kurtis Patterson.. but CA in its wisdom sent him home after the A tour. I was alluding to Head, but Patterson should be here too. Put those two in at 5 and 6 and all of a sudden we might be able to score some more runs. Head yes but he has lost some leeway for mine with his sporadic performance in this series. Comms have picked up his weakness against the Dukes. He has been searching for the ball instead of playing later and under his eyeline. That explains his inconsistency negotiating any ball that moves. His conversion rate is mediocre too. Perhaps some more time in shield cricket. Head has our 3rd best average this series and currently averaging over 40 in his career. It was a shocking call to drop him after one bad test Yes over Warner definitely. May be third best but @27 is not Ashes standard. His figures have been dropping the longer the series has gone
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+xsimilar to harmison lethal in england and terrible in Australia Any away trophy is a big deal even though it took a bradmanesque smith. Still its a shame if we end on a low note. Siddle's bowling was poor on day 1 (and why him over the variation option in Pattinson/Starc?) and cummins had a rare off day. Follow that with dropping root 3 times and a bit of a lack lustre batting performance (why drop head who has one of the better averages this series?) and we are in a real spot of both in this test. In any case ticket tape parade for retaining the ashes in away territory! Lets try and dig ourselves out of this hole! Yeah Harmy shares that honour, but Harmy went to custard everywhere after the 2005 Ashes (as did Flintoff who was better away than at home). But after form going into and through 2005, a couple of the lads in that team perhaps enjoyed themselves too much after the 2005 Ashes success as evidenced at the 2007 World Cup when a certain captain was caught drunk and in the ocean? I wouldn't have gone with Starc, I would have gone with Pattinson. But I cannot believe Australia is back in a position with Mitch Marsh in the test team. And to make it worse, he bowled beautifully, but his bowling has never been what has amused foreign fans, and literally made some Australian fans so irate in the past, they have flamed Cricket Australia sites and social media. I'm not having a pop at Langer at all, here, but while the Ashes is about "retention" - and other intl series are about winning despite also having Cups, Trophies, and Shields, there is a test championship going on. And all the matches of Championship series count. Only 2 places in the only final. Did Langer factor this in sufficiently in picking his best possible team or not? Now I get Mitch Marsh bowled beautifully, he really did. I was totally impressed by his spell. It was accurate, it swung, he is down on pace from where he was 4 years ago, but bowled lovely shape. But was he really the best fit for this team? Or did Langer lighten up with the Ashes safe? Or is he looking ahead to Australia where he may want an allrounder in the heat?
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+x+xPathetic from Australia. You can now count on England winning the match. The wicket will fall apart. And all our batsmen (save two) are useless. So, once again, we fail to win a Test series in England. That makes it over two freaking decades. Paine and Marsh need to be hauled over the coals for their batting. Both threw their wickets away. Wade looks technically suspect to left arm swing. Watching our hapless batsmen is so exasperating. Paine’s position isn’t that tenable, imo. His captaincy has been hit-and-miss and his batting mediocre. Is he going to improve? Possible but highly unlikely. If we are discussing the keeper's batting as being a key component of a supposedly disappointing series of retaining the Ashes, after a team rebuilding subsequent to the ball tempering fiasco in SA, then the top 6, as a collective unit, can't have done their job too well. Paine has the third highest batting average, 1 run behind Haddin, of all Aussie keepers in Test history. Paine's captaincy, in terms of being a leader of men, has generated praise from all and sundry who have insight into the job. Paine's brother, Nick, waxed lyrical in the local tabloid about the difference between before he took over as captain in Smith's tenure as captain, and the current dressing room morale. Nick has visited the Aussie dressing room on a number of occasions. Of course Langer is a big part of that too. As long as Paine 's keeping is good enough, I'm sure will be leading the Test team in a dearth of suitable options from the best players in the country. Finch, although not good enough as a Test player, has captained the one day team admirably too. I don't disagree on all of that. I think Tim Paine's captaincy has improved the atmosphere in the dressing room. He has achieved something remarkable 18 months after Aussie cricket's nadir. He's a good person and that attitude appears to have spread to the others in the team. Maybe this is what Australian cricket needed. And his batting stats aren't shabby (by way of comparison with other wicketkeeper batsmen). But if you really want to be picky - look at the stats through the prism of context. How many truly decent bowlers has Paine had to encounter. Not an awful lot. Ian Healy had to face Curtly Ambrose, Courtney Walsh, Allan Donald, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, etc. In this match, Paine threw his wicket away in precisely the same manner that Sam Curran did. He just threw his hands at the ball and didn't move his feet. It was outrageously irresponsible batting. Many English people are criticising Curran. Same goes for Paine. He's the bloody captain. He shouldn't be trying to smash the ball into the fence at the beginning of the innings. Similarly, his captaincy has also lacked calmness and resolve. It was an incredibly stupid decision to put England in to bat. Our bowlers had barely had a rest. As I say, his DRS reviews cost Australia the Leeds test (and, so, stopped Australia winning the series, too). Is there a realistic prospect of Paine being skipper next Ashes? Highly, highly unlikely. Start building for the next big series.
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+x+x+xPathetic from Australia. You can now count on England winning the match. The wicket will fall apart. And all our batsmen (save two) are useless. So, once again, we fail to win a Test series in England. That makes it over two freaking decades. Paine and Marsh need to be hauled over the coals for their batting. Both threw their wickets away. Wade looks technically suspect to left arm swing. Watching our hapless batsmen is so exasperating. Paine’s position isn’t that tenable, imo. His captaincy has been hit-and-miss and his batting mediocre. Is he going to improve? Possible but highly unlikely. If we are discussing the keeper's batting as being a key component of a supposedly disappointing series of retaining the Ashes, after a team rebuilding subsequent to the ball tempering fiasco in SA, then the top 6, as a collective unit, can't have done their job too well. Paine has the third highest batting average, 1 run behind Haddin, of all Aussie keepers in Test history. Paine's captaincy, in terms of being a leader of men, has generated praise from all and sundry who have insight into the job. Paine's brother, Nick, waxed lyrical in the local tabloid about the difference between before he took over as captain in Smith's tenure as captain, and the current dressing room morale. Nick has visited the Aussie dressing room on a number of occasions. Of course Langer is a big part of that too. As long as Paine 's keeping is good enough, I'm sure will be leading the Test team in a dearth of suitable options from the best players in the country. Finch, although not good enough as a Test player, has captained the one day team admirably too. I don't disagree on all of that. I think Tim Paine's captaincy has improved the atmosphere in the dressing room. He has achieved something remarkable 18 months after Aussie cricket's nadir. He's a good person and that attitude appears to have spread to the others in the team. Maybe this is what Australian cricket needed. And his batting stats aren't shabby (by way of comparison with other wicketkeeper batsmen). But if you really want to be picky - look at the stats through the prism of context. How many truly decent bowlers has Paine had to encounter. Not an awful lot. Ian Healy had to face Curtly Ambrose, Courtney Walsh, Allan Donald, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, etc. In this match, Paine threw his wicket away in precisely the same manner that Sam Curran did. He just threw his hands at the ball and didn't move his feet. It was outrageously irresponsible batting. Many English people are criticising Curran. Same goes for Paine. He's the bloody captain. He shouldn't be trying to smash the ball into the fence at the beginning of the innings. Similarly, his captaincy has also lacked calmness and resolve. It was an incredibly stupid decision to put England in to bat. Our bowlers had barely had a rest. As I say, his DRS reviews cost Australia the Leeds test (and, so, stopped Australia winning the series, too). Is there a realistic prospect of Paine being skipper next Ashes? Highly, highly unlikely. Start building for the next big series. I honestly think Paine has endured just as good, if not a better bowling generation than the 90's. Paine has come up against, Archer, Yasir, Abbas, Bumrah, Rabada, Philander, Ngidi, peak Morkel. 2018 was the lowest year for batting since one year the 1950's. We have excellent bowlers globally right now. This generation will wreck so many batting averages. There are so few batsmen averaging 50 right now (KW, Kohli and Smith - that's literally it!). So very few compared to the 1990s. The run feasts of the 2000's are well and truly over. I think the question is, is Paine's captaincy enough to keep the superior batting of Carey out of the team... (which in itself asks the question is Carey the better bat - but most seem to think so). But it leads to a question, who then becomes the captain... Aus do not have an ideal answer for this yet. On form, I think Paine is stealing Carey's place. BUT - Paine is the captain, and a new foundations is emerging. You start building again with no foundations, you could undo everything Aus achieved in 2019 vs SL, the World Cup and this Ashes. And go back to the horror show that was 2018. Yeah I get Paine wasn't at the WC, but FInch aint gonna play another test any time soon. If ever. I am starting to really think, Paine gets 1.5 more years, then when Smith is allowed to captain again, Paine will be shoulder tapped into retirement. But not before there is a captain emerged. You really want former vc Hazelwood as captain? You just dropped Head was vc. Who is going to lead the team? I get the frustration if you think Carey is the better man for keeper/bat, England went through it with Brearley. But if there's no captain, there's no captain. England eventually gave it to Bob Willis, who retired not that long after. Is Cummins really captaincy material? Or Lyon?
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I think it is a bit irrelevant comparing Paine with keepers averages 20+ years ago. The wicketkeeper batsmen trend is much more recent. And in comparison with every other nations keepers, he is pretty much the worst when it comes to batting.
And nothing will change my mind on this, his on field captaincy is quite comfortably the worst i have seen from an Aussie captian ever. It is ridiculously bad.
If we had a strong batting lineup we could get away with carrying someone who isn't good with the bat, but as we can see our batting is not good enough.
I wouldn't drop him from the team yet, but at least strip him of his on field captaincy, it is useless.
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+xI think it is a bit irrelevant comparing Paine with keepers averages 20+ years ago. The wicketkeeper batsmen trend is much more recent. And in comparison with every other nations keepers, he is pretty much the worst when it comes to batting. And nothing will change my mind on this, his on field captaincy is quite comfortably the worst i have seen from an Aussie captian ever. It is ridiculously bad. If we had a strong batting lineup we could get away with carrying someone who isn't good with the bat, but as we can see our batting is not good enough. I wouldn't drop him from the team yet, but at least strip him of his on field captaincy, it is useless. Agree on the batting trend. While he is no Watling or QDK with the bat, he is beating Bairstow of late believe it or not. Pant for India scores runs, but he can barely wicket keep. He is terrible with the gloves. Batting averages are falling, though.
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When is someone going to drum into the heads of blokes not to attempt to take close in catches with the fingers facing up. Just saw Harris spilling of Denly off that Hazlewood peach . A shocker. Schoolboy stuff. His average had now dropped to a mediocre @26. I dont wanna see Harris within cooee of the Test side this summer. We shud have the Poms 1-9 with Root now at the crease and the Dukes cherry still nice and hard.
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+xWhen is someone going to drum into the heads of blokes not to attempt to take close in catches with the fingers facing up. Just saw Harris spilling of Denly off that Hazlewood peach . A shocker. Schoolboy stuff. His average had now dropped to a mediocre @26. I dont wanna see Harris within cooee of the Test side this summer. We shud have the Poms 1-9 with Root now at the crease and the Dukes cherry still nice and hard. Im lagging then - I have Cummins bowling? Oh you mean last night.
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Root shud be in now but for that shocker from Harris. Glad he has a crook finger from it. May mean he wont bat either. No great loss. We may actually have an opener that will score some runs now. But who will open?
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+xRoot shud be in now but for that shocker from Harris. Glad he has a crook finger from it. May mean he wont bat either. No great loss. We may actually have an opener that will score some runs now. But who will open? Fear this may be a long toiling day day for our attack. Not a lot now for the quicks.. tho Cummins extra pace is causing the odd nervy moment for the Pommie batsmen. Can Mitch Marsh get the ball to talk again.
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This is even more exasperating than 2005 in some respects. At least then, you had to take your hat off to England. At least then, we'd recently won a bunch of overseas Ashes tours.
The more I watch it the more I realise how foolish Paine and management have been. What the f@%k were they thinking putting England in to bat?? Our bowlers are knackered. And what the hell were they thinking leaving Starc out?? He was building up some nice form in the last match.
And then Paine's field placings and reviews. We'll look back on it and just think how close Australia came to winning but didn't win because of some stupid, emotional decisions and lack of match awareness with field placings. And that's before we even get started on the way in which Warner, Harris, Head, Khawaja and Paine have gone about their batting. So furious with them.
Urghhh this is worse than watching the Socceroos trying to qualify for the last World Cup.
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+x+xRoot shud be in now but for that shocker from Harris. Glad he has a crook finger from it. May mean he wont bat either. No great loss. We may actually have an opener that will score some runs now. But who will open? Fear this may be a long toiling day day for our attack. Not a lot now for the quicks.. tho Cummins extra pace is causing the odd nervy moment for the Pommie batsmen. Can Mitch Marsh get the ball to talk again. Legit have to bowl them out for about a hundred to have a hope. And even still, I don't back them to chase down 200.
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Burns caught superbly by Paine off a mediocre GOAT ball.
Given the first innings lead though, England are a long way in front by over 100runs.
If Lyon’s injured finger is impeding his bowling, he probably shouldn’t have been selected.
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+x+x+xMitch Marsh will be kicking himself for the way he was out. Two balls earlier he had smoked a cover drive described by cricinfo as sublime to fall so softly shortly after. Why didnt Leach spill it as Siddle had done the day before and give us a much needed life.. Still all is not lost as England's batting has been no better than ours.. worse in fact. We have not succumbed to anywhere near their 67. Wade also looked good for his 17 runs. Curran worried him, but was it loss of concentration that led to the dismissals of both Wade and Marsh? I didn't see Paine's dismissal, but he usually finds ways to get out too. Gday all, jaszyjim - and I think it's time to comment on Paine. I can sum him up very briefly "can't bat, can't keep, can't captain" He will go down as one of the worst captains to captain an Australian test side, ironically retaining the ashes. Good day, JJ. I can’t believe you have this view! For a guy to take over the captaincy, as a wicketkeeper and batter, to lead Aus to retain the Ashes after taking over a demoralized rabble, is some achievement. Paine has the third highest batting average of all Aus keepers in history, with an average of 1 behind Haddin. He is also an excellent keeper. Sometimes the field placings didn’t work out, but all captains are fallible on occasions.
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Paine's a very likable bloke. A solid wicketkeeper. He has the technique (but not temperament) to be a successful Test batsman.
But sure is a space cadet of a captain, as far as I'm concerned.
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+x+x+xStuart Broad has to be the two most overrated cricketer I know of. He has bowled pretty well in this Ashes series. He also has a huge number of Test wickets. DC Paddles has a hate on Broad as Mike has a hate on Hazlewood. If I wanted a bowler to give me 100% every game and who was prepared to put his reputation on the line by leaving everything on the paddock.I'd pick Stuart Broad. I'm gobsmacked. In cricket stats are more significant than many sports and Broad and H's record (apart from H in 2018) have been very good. People are entitled to express an opinion though. You and I are more positive than most posters on forums, probably more like the live spectators I know in cricket and football/soccer who you will meet in a few months. In football I have a significant coach education and can identify quality traits in players and teams, that fans and untrained media pundits can't. A few years ago Aussie fans vilified two Aussie players, Jade North and Brett Holman. The latter recognised he was hated by Aussie fans, but pro coaches loved his qualities. I also recognised the invaluable, thankless work he did which helped his teammates. Poor Mich Marsh states ATM he knows is the most hated cricketer in Australia by the cricketing public on social media! This is a very, very sad state of affairs. The guy is doing his best. For some reason many sports fans fixate on despising some players.
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+xPaine's a very likable bloke. A solid wicketkeeper. He has the technique (but not temperament) to be a successful Test batsman. But sure is a space cadet of a captain, as far as I'm concerned. It makes you wonder why professional coaches around the national team recognised leadership potential in him from the first time he was selected as a Test player doesn't it? To make that observation without having access to the Aussie dressing room an appraising team morale, before and after the ball tampering episode, is perplexing, QF. Agree with all your first three sentences, but not the 4th.
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Lyon dismisses Root, caught Smith at 1st slip.
Poms are 156 in front though!
I’m not sure Lyon is bowling his best, but after the first test he has bowled well at times without luck.
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You beauty, GOAT!
Root gone!
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I think the revs on the ball have reduced from Lyon.
He was repeatedly getting them over 40 earlier in the Series. In the last Test the revs reduced to the low thirties.
ATM a few have been around 40. I'm not sure the loop and flight is there though?
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