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BloodyNora - 6 Jan 2020 4:58 PM
Also, with this cheating attitude unveiled again in no uncertain terms, it's made me look back at the rest of the series for any other signs of it, because if they're the sort of people that would cheat one way then they'd no doubt cheat another way. The first thing that springs to mind is most of the NZ team suddenly getting infected on the eve of this match with something that prevented a lot of them taking the field. It wouldn't be the first time it's happened around the world, not just with Aus. I can't give them the benefit of the doubt now, so I'm very suss. Sounds like the series was another technical loss...

Good grief... Brains Warner at it again...
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dman2018 - 6 Jan 2020 5:14 PM

Good grief... Brains Warner at it again...

He's close with Boomerang Man, so other snake oil specialists wouldn't be far away. Only have to mix this & that, wait a couple of days & there's the Mickey ready to slip.
NZ are just as much to blame, they should've thought twice before eating pulsing fluro green hotdogs served by someone with a mullet wearing a Manly polo shirt. ;) 

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NZ bowled every day of the series...
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BloodyNora - 6 Jan 2020 5:59 PM
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He's close with Boomerang Man, so other snake oil specialists wouldn't be far away. Only have to mix this & that, wait a couple of days & there's the Mickey ready to slip.
NZ are just as much to blame, they should've thought twice before eating pulsing fluro green hotdogs served by someone with a mullet wearing a Manly polo shirt. ;) 

The PM should fund a task force to  control Warner...
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BloodyNora - 6 Jan 2020 4:22 PM
It didn't sit well with me & I ended up switching it off. The country is in a bit of strife, people going through hell, over 500m animals burnt alive in excruciating deaths...and the one thing at the moment keeping a lot of peoples spirits up is cheering on those guys...that for some unknown reason, when the series is won & when this dead rubber is in such a dominating position for them, they decide that cheating & bringing shame on themselves & the country, again, is a good idea...after being warned minutes earlier.
The penalty may have only been 5 runs & maybe Langer will still praise Warner & give him an 11 out of 10, but fair dinkum...the attitude was clear & it wasn't good for anyone. 

To be fair....I watched a replay of the incident and didn't think it was any worse than any other batsman having watched cricket for over 35 years.

I mean seriously, the guy plays a shot that requires him to take balance with his stance, and he then takes a run with the first few steps being in front of pitch. 

If you cant take a couple of strides from the center of the pitch (having hit the bloody ball from that spot) and then angling to the side of the wicket, you may as well rewrite the rules for players to run to the square leg umpire and back.

Aleem Da was just nit picking and could have penalised nearly all batsmen if he wanted to tow that line.
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Marki - 6 Jan 2020 7:52 PM
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To be fair....I watched a replay of the incident and didn't think it was any worse than any other batsman having watched cricket for over 35 years.

I mean seriously, the guy plays a shot that requires him to take balance with his stance, and he then takes a run with the first few steps being in front of pitch. 

If you cant take a couple of strides from the center of the pitch (having hit the bloody ball from that spot) and then angling to the side of the wicket, you may as well rewrite the rules for players to run to the square leg umpire and back.

Aleem Da was just nit picking and could have penalised nearly all batsmen if he wanted to tow that line.

And before Dman jumps on me, I should also state that I think it's even more stupid that bowlers (fast-medium) have to risk injury in trying to leave the wicket following a delivery when they should be permitted to decelerate safely in a straight line and only deviate once their momentum is reduced to a balanced jog.

As it is now, they get penalised and have to strain on an angle just to get off the pitch to protect the precious pitch!

It's as stupid as asking a pilot to immediately take the first taxiway off the runway as soon as the plane touches down..... just to protect the runway bitsumen for the next plane. 
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Marki - 6 Jan 2020 7:52 PM

To be fair....I watched a replay of the incident and didn't think it was any worse than any other batsman having watched cricket for over 35 years.

I mean seriously, the guy plays a shot that requires him to take balance with his stance, and he then takes a run with the first few steps being in front of pitch. 

If you cant take a couple of strides from the center of the pitch (having hit the bloody ball from that spot) and then angling to the side of the wicket, you may as well rewrite the rules for players to run to the square leg umpire and back.

Aleem Da was just nit picking and could have penalised nearly all batsmen if he wanted to tow that line.

It's just one of those things, but it's the rules & they were warned about it.
No different to the police seeing you doing 65-70 in a 60 zone, most would let it go, not like it's 190 or something too dangerous, but if they notice you doing it repeatedly they'll pull you over & tell you to cut it out. It's their job to enforce the rules. If the first thing you do is go past them doing 65-70...forget any more chances.
Warner knew the rule & he'd already been warned, as was Marnus....but did it again...then opened his mouth at the umpire. Knowing he was in the wrong is cheating. Maybe it's not a major pitch tampering scandal, they didn't get a shovel out, but heading in that direction. Multiple offenders doing it.
I don't make the rules, just disappointing when they try to bend them like that, not good sportsmanship.

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Marki - 6 Jan 2020 8:00 PM
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And before Dman jumps on me, I should also state that I think it's even more stupid that bowlers (fast-medium) have to risk injury in trying to leave the wicket following a delivery when they should be permitted to decelerate safely in a straight line and only deviate once their momentum is reduced to a balanced jog.

As it is now, they get penalised and have to strain on an angle just to get off the pitch to protect the precious pitch!

It's as stupid as asking a pilot to immediately take the first taxiway off the runway as soon as the plane touches down..... just to protect the runway bitsumen for the next plane. 


You know what Marki.... I reckon Dman would probably jump on you mate!

Him & his purple balls


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BloodyNora - 6 Jan 2020 8:28 PM
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It's just one of those things, but it's the rules & they were warned about it.
No different to the police seeing you doing 65-70 in a 60 zone, most would let it go, not like it's 190 or something too dangerous, but if they notice you doing it repeatedly they'll pull you over & tell you to cut it out. It's their job to enforce the rules. If the first thing you do is go past them doing 65-70...forget any more chances.
Warner knew the rule & he'd already been warned, as was Marnus....but did it again...then opened his mouth at the umpire. Knowing he was in the wrong is cheating. Maybe it's not a major pitch tampering scandal, they didn't get a shovel out, but heading in that direction. Multiple offenders doing it.
I don't make the rules, just disappointing when they try to bend them like that, not good sportsmanship.

What I saw was far from blatant.
Marginal at best. 
The best way I can describe it is 100 people doing 65 in a 60 zone and the cop decides to pull over the guy doing 64. It's over the limit yes, but next to everyone else going over the limit it was nit picking at it's best..
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Marki - 6 Jan 2020 9:34 PM

What I saw was far from blatant.
Marginal at best. 
The best way I can describe it is 100 people doing 65 in a 60 zone and the cop decides to pull over the guy doing 64. It's over the limit yes, but next to everyone else going over the limit it was nit picking at it's best..

Apart from Burns getting out cheaply early in the day, there was nobody else besides Marnus & Warner for the whole innings & they're the ones that both got nicked for it.
I didn't see it all, but the umpires did, so being a known tactic by a team finishing their innings to scuff up the pitch for their bowlers coming on, whether playing more forward than normal, dancing about digging their feet in or whatever, it likely happened once too often before the umpires decided enough was enough. If the final one wasn't as bad as earlier ones they let go, that's just the way it goes. The point is don't do it in the first place. 


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As for running between the wickets - the one at the non-strikers end has the advantage of being able to run before the ball reaches the on-strike batsmen, they run straight but don't run on the pitch at any time. The on-strike batsmen has to adjust their running to get off the pitch asap, minor detour, so it all evens itself out & it's the same for both teams. 
If the on-strike batsman runs too straight before the slight detour, even one or two steps more than necessary, that's cheating.

Another point on bowlers leaving footprints/potholes on the pitch. Spinners don't. Fast bowlers do, but they don't leave footprints in front of the wicket. They start from beside the stumps & taper away off the pitch. There's usually one or two footprints that spinners may exploit, all part of cricket & it's not dangerous, but they're not in the area where fast bowlers are landing the ball & if the fast bowlers did, it's not dangerous from there. Anything like that in front of the stumps becomes dangerous because that's where the pace bowlers are regularly landing the ball. If there were potholes like that there then it'd be unplayable for batsmen, the bounce could go anywhere, there'd be injuries nearly every over. So even if a batsmen charges forward several steps & puts the brakes on, the boot studs dig in, rip the pitch, create a little valley that can cause the bounce to be unpredictable, so there's the rule to account for that. 

I know it may have seemed like an over-reaction from me when they got busted for it, it's not like they tried spilling their water bottle in a patch metres in front of the stumps so they could stomp a massive crater in it & they didn't casually sneak a tent peg out of their pocket & try to nail it into the pitch with a foot after pointing to deep mid wicket & yelling "look! a spider!" but they still tried to bend the rules for an unfair advantage. 

Anyway, supposing it was just all a big coincidence that one batsmen started doing it at that stage of the innings. Supposing it was an even bigger coincidence that more than one batsmen started doing it at that stage of an innings. Supposing the batsmen were just totally dumb & oblivious with no deliberate intent at all. They were told to stop doing it. Did it again. No excuses.

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Marki - 6 Jan 2020 8:00 PM

And before Dman jumps on me, I should also state that I think it's even more stupid that bowlers (fast-medium) have to risk injury in trying to leave the wicket following a delivery when they should be permitted to decelerate safely in a straight line and only deviate once their momentum is reduced to a balanced jog.

As it is now, they get penalised and have to strain on an angle just to get off the pitch to protect the precious pitch!

It's as stupid as asking a pilot to immediately take the first taxiway off the runway as soon as the plane touches down..... just to protect the runway bitsumen for the next plane. 

Well there's taking issue with something that is not an issue - no bowler has complained about this in about 150 years odd.

And the reason for that is simple - they are, for all intents, allowed to "decelerate safely in a straight line and only deviate once their momentum is reduced to a balanced jog."

Do you know the area they're not allowed to run on? It's 1 ft either side of middle stump (2 ft in total) and after 5ft from the popping crease. So If you're running in that area with any sort of consistency, you should be more worried about your run up where you send the umpire and stumps cartwheeling before you worry about your follow through.
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For your reference, there's an illustration of the are concerned -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/rules_and_equipment/4183228.stm

You'd do more damage to yourself TRYING to run on that area.
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First there was Men at Work being pinched for stealing bits of Kookaburra Sits in an Old Gum Tree
and then US group Spirit is said to have been paid something by Led Zeppelin for using some Spirit lines on the intro to Stairway to Heaven
BUT they are nothing compared to the one involving Aussie songwriter Allan Caswell and US country group Alabama. They blatantly ripped off From the Inside...I reckon a song everyone would know....BUT both parties were represented by Sony Music and lo and behold the little bloke lost. It is truly more obvious than George Harrison's My Sweet Lord and the Chiffons He's So Fine.. Multi National bastards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piDvbzlaTR4

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That's nothing, how about this one which actually sold a trillion and launched a bands international career. Play them both together and just about everything matches except the key and lyrics - even the chorus's hit the beat at the same time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr6Jz92iXiI

And James Reyne didn 't care. He was more puzzled by the film clip where he wondered if they were all on crack.
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Zef - 7 Jan 2020 10:35 AM
That's nothing, how about this one which actually sold a trillion and launched a bands international career. Play them both together and just about everything matches except the key and lyrics - even the chorus's hit the beat at the same time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr6Jz92iXiI

And James Reyne didn 't care. He was more puzzled by the film clip where he wondered if they were all on crack.

I really dont see ANY resemblance in the 2 tracks and I can see why James Reyne couldnt give a toss coz it's got NOTHING plagiarized.

SC o Mine has one of the most distinct and recognizable guitar riffs ever created. It alone is the reason GnR became famous for - not the rhythm guitar or the beat of the drums. 

You can play just Slashs guitar parts and the song plays itself and is instantly recognizable yet has not even 1 note taken from the Aussie Crawl track.
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Surprised Big T hasn't been on about the rumour we are trying to swap Josh Addo-Carr for Lachlan Lewis. Hell I hope it is wrong but this may have legs especially as Lachlan's face appears to be off the Official Bulldog's site. We don't need a winger...
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Steveswr33333 - 8 Jan 2020 7:50 AM
Surprised Big T hasn't been on about the rumour we are trying to swap Josh Addo-Carr for Lachlan Lewis. Hell I hope it is wrong but this may have legs especially as Lachlan's face appears to be off the Official Bulldog's site. We don't need a winger...

Been busy doing things around the house Steve , I don’t understand cricket so I can’t post on it but ado car do we need a  winger ? I’m happy with meany & okenber &
r smith & hopa the centre’s is fine by me what we need if
anything is a top no 6 for Foran on l Lewis I have no problems with him I actually like the prince but I heard
that FOZ will be back around round 10 his coming in the 
rehab better that what was 1st thought  
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this is the best nrl story @ this stage  so far  so wayne bennet has denied interest on trying 2 get laterl mitchel & the story & rumor goes on un till it hits the $ 400,000 a season & souths all of a sudden are in the hunt & will sign him on a bargain buy BUT wait this is the good part NRL will now step in & will officially will put a price tag on mitchell but the 
$ 400,000 a season that souths were going to pay it will be a figure @ lest double so bad luck wayne & rusell can crow all he wants  ths will have 2 fork out around $ 800,000
but in order for them to do so they are prepaired to let alex johnson & dan gagai go i say woo there is 2 top players i like & would prefur over addo car as they would be cheaper
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tony v_1 - 8 Jan 2020 8:51 AM
this is the best nrl story @ this stage  so far  so wayne bennet has denied interest on trying 2 get laterl mitchel & the story & rumor goes on un till it hits the $ 400,000 a season & souths all of a sudden are in the hunt & will sign him on a bargain buy BUT wait this is the good part NRL will now step in & will officially will put a price tag on mitchell but the 
$ 400,000 a season that souths were going to pay it will be a figure @ lest double so bad luck wayne & rusell can crow all he wants  ths will have 2 fork out around $ 800,000
but in order for them to do so they are prepaired to let alex johnson & dan gagai go i say woo there is 2 top players i like & would prefur over addo car as they would be cheaper

Gagai would be good...in the centre where he wants to play.

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tony v_1 - 8 Jan 2020 8:51 AM
  ths will have 2 fork out around $ 800,000

They wont. He’s on less than 800k for 2020, rumoured to be 650k, and Easts have already payed 2 months of that. Souths will squeeze it out to 3 and then ask Easts to chip in for the rest, which Easts seem willing to do. So he probably eont cost them more thsn 400k for 20. And we passed him by
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well dune 2 the bulldogs donating $ 50,000 to the bushfires appeal 
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Zef - 8 Jan 2020 11:03 AM
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They wont. He’s on less than 800k for 2020, rumoured to be 650k, and Easts have already payed 2 months of that. Souths will squeeze it out to 3 and then ask Easts to chip in for the rest, which Easts seem willing to do. So he probably eont cost them more thsn 400k for 20. And we passed him by

If it eventuates the way you describe (or even close to that) it will be a slap in the face to us and our negotiation team.....

Here is an opportunity to get the guy on the cheap for a year yet we will probably be more interested in the guys that get pushed out of Souths....
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So, what's the deal with Mitchell? Why do any of the other teams have to struggle to scrape up $800G+ yet the Wabbits offer 400 and it's a deal........ Fvck 'em. Let all teams start to bid at that price and see where he goes. If the NRLol let this circus go unchallenged then it's time for fans to call for Greenbergs sacking.
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Marki - 7 Jan 2020 5:04 PM

I really dont see ANY resemblance in the 2 tracks and I can see why James Reyne couldnt give a toss coz it's got NOTHING plagiarized.

SC o Mine has one of the most distinct and recognizable guitar riffs ever created. It alone is the reason GnR became famous for - not the rhythm guitar or the beat of the drums. 

You can play just Slashs guitar parts and the song plays itself and is instantly recognizable yet has not even 1 note taken from the Aussie Crawl track.

Riffs and breaks really mean nothing in the structure, they're just flourishes. It's the melody you got to listen to.

And if you do, side by side, they follow the same chord structure (in a different key) change chords at the same time, the beat's the same, hit the chorus at the same time. You can sing the lyrics of either one over the top of the other and it all fits.

Duff himself (GnR bass player) says the similarities are "stunning" but also notes he doesn't remember ever hearing the Aussie Crawl song.

And I don't find that surprising. Most songs accused of plagiarism aren't done intentionally. The writer's just got a tune going in their head and writes a song not knowing that the tune is something they've heard before. And GnR, all of them, were fans of Aussie pub rock. Admittedly Rose Tattoo (who they brought out of retirement to support them on tour) and The Angels were more their thing but it's quite conceivable if one or more of them were listening to Aussie pub rock band albums in the 80's they came across Aussie Crawl and that tune stuck.

James Reyne don't care because he's just a nice bloke and is quite proud of Gunners using his tune.


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Marki - 8 Jan 2020 12:21 PM
Zef - 8 Jan 2020 11:03 AM

If it eventuates the way you describe (or even close to that) it will be a slap in the face to us and our negotiation team.....

Here is an opportunity to get the guy on the cheap for a year yet we will probably be more interested in the guys that get pushed out of Souths....

He was never coming here... And our recruitment team obviously figured that out early, and weren't gonna have their time wasted to be used as a bargaining chip...
Said weeks and weeks ago that he was going to end up at Bunnies as soon as the NRLol backed yet another Big 4 rort...

And dont be surprised if they end up with both Arrow and him this year despite the Tits posturing...
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Riffs and breaks really mean nothing in the structure, they're just flourishes. It's the melody you got to listen to.

And if you do, side by side, they follow the same chord structure (in a different key) change chords at the same time, the beat's the same, hit the chorus at the same time. You can sing the lyrics of either one over the top of the other and it all fits.

Duff himself (GnR bass player) says the similarities are "stunning" but also notes he doesn't remember ever hearing the Aussie Crawl song.

And I don't find that surprising. Most songs accused of plagiarism aren't done intentionally. The writer's just got a tune going in their head and writes a song not knowing that the tune is something they've heard before. And GnR, all of them, were fans of Aussie pub rock. Admittedly Rose Tattoo (who they brought out of retirement to support them on tour) and The Angels were more their thing but it's quite conceivable if one or more of them were listening to Aussie pub rock band albums in the 80's they came across Aussie Crawl and that tune stuck.

James Reyne don't care because he's just a nice bloke and is quite proud of Gunners using his tune.


He's a troll remember... ;)
Or completely deaf...
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And Duff would be most responsible. I was just reading on how it was "written".

The riff was just a string skipping excercise for Slash (and hence he really didn't like the song), he called the riff "annoying circus music" and he was playing it complete with pulling clown faces one day.

Duff liked the riff and layed down a bass line for it - the MELODY.

And there it is.
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As we are all aware, there are a finite number of chord progressions and it is inevitable that songs are going to sound similar. Most bands don't go out and deliberately "steal" other peoples tunes and they are totally unaware of the similarities.
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Zef - 8 Jan 2020 5:19 PM
And Duff would be most responsible. I was just reading on how it was "written".

The riff was just a string skipping excercise for Slash (and hence he really didn't like the song), he called the riff "annoying circus music" and he was playing it complete with pulling clown faces one day.

Duff liked the riff and layed down a bass line for it - the MELODY.

And there it is.

The problem with melody is that we have just about exhausted every type that would be considered "music to people's ears".

I'm sure you can probably relate or trace the Aussie Crawl track to someone else's tune from 20 years prior (probably the Beatles).

The only thing that can distinguish 1 song from another these days is the embellishments. I dont call that plagiarism. Inspiration maybe. 

Duff's work on the track deviates from the standard chordine, and Slashs work (whilst he may describe as a clown act) has resulted in one of the most recognizable guitar riffs ever created.

In fact it is the blueprint of the song. Remove all the vocals, bass line or rhythm guitars and it's still distinctly Sweet Child O Mine. 

Remove Slash's work and it probably resembles the Aussie crawl track (amongst others) but its hardly the reason the track has had success. 

And I believe THAT is more the reason Reyne couldn't give a toss. I reckon he'd struggle to convince a court that GnR won success for that track off the back of plagiarized work.

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