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+xWas watching the Western United V Roar match on Kayo yesterday, but had to go out and pick up kids at halftime. The match was not broadcast AT ALL on any radio station in Melbourne. I know, I checked every station (about 50 that I can get in the Eastern suburbs) in the car. How do we expect anyone to care about this league when it has zero promotion and marketing? Its just gonna get worse, we wont even have a TV deal in 3 years.
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+x+xWas watching the Western United V Roar match on Kayo yesterday, but had to go out and pick up kids at halftime. The match was not broadcast AT ALL on any radio station in Melbourne. I know, I checked every station (about 50 that I can get in the Eastern suburbs) in the car. How do we expect anyone to care about this league when it has zero promotion and marketing? Its just gonna get worse, we wont even have a TV deal in 3 years. We probably won't have a TV deal - but we might have a streaming deal!
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Top 20 for yesterday's Fox ratings, cut off at 26k, no HAL, interesting that very little sport is actually making the top 20: Rank | Description | Channel\Market | (r) National STV | 1 | LIVE: FIRE FIGHT AUSTRALIA | FOX8 | 138,000 | 2 | MAKE YOU LAUGH OUT LOUD | FOX8 | 105,000 | 3 | OUTSIDERS | Sky News Live | 67,000 | 4 | OUTSIDERS | Sky News Live | 66,000 | 5 | FRESH [V]ID: JUSTIN BIEBER FT. QUAVO | [V] | 56,000 | 6 | LIVE: FIRE FIGHT AUSTRALIA PRE SHOW | FOX8 | 55,000 | 7 | FIRE FIGHT AUSTRALIA | [V] | 45,000 | 8 | THE TRIAL OF CHRISTINE KEELER | BBC First | 41,000 | 9 | LIVE: NBA ALL-STAR SATURDAY NIGHT | ESPN | 39,000 | 10 | MIDSOMER MURDERS | UKTV | 33,000 | 11 | LIVE: AFLW: ADELAIDE V ST KILDA | FOX FOOTY | 33,000 | 12 | LIVE: AFLW: CARLTON V COLLINGWOOD | FOX FOOTY | 31,000 | 13 | PAUL MURRAY LIVE | Sky News Live | 30,000 | 14 | YESTERDAY | Movies Premiere | 30,000 | 15 | THE SIMPSONS | FOX8 | 30,000 | 16 | MIXED HITS | [V] | 29,000 | 17 | LIVE: AFLW: GEELONG V BRISBANE | FOX FOOTY | 29,000 | 18 | SELLING HOUSES AUSTRALIA | Lifestyle Channel | 29,000 | 19 | TEEN MOM: YOUNG & PREGNANT | MTV | 28,000 | 20 | DEATH IN PARADISE | BBC First | 26,000 |
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+xTop 20 for yesterday's Fox ratings, cut off at 26k, no HAL, interesting that very little sport is actually making the top 20: Rank | Description | Channel\Market | (r) National STV | 1 | LIVE: FIRE FIGHT AUSTRALIA | FOX8 | 138,000 | 2 | MAKE YOU LAUGH OUT LOUD | FOX8 | 105,000 | 3 | OUTSIDERS | Sky News Live | 67,000 | 4 | OUTSIDERS | Sky News Live | 66,000 | 5 | FRESH [V]ID: JUSTIN BIEBER FT. QUAVO | [V] | 56,000 | 6 | LIVE: FIRE FIGHT AUSTRALIA PRE SHOW | FOX8 | 55,000 | 7 | FIRE FIGHT AUSTRALIA | [V] | 45,000 | 8 | THE TRIAL OF CHRISTINE KEELER | BBC First | 41,000 | 9 | LIVE: NBA ALL-STAR SATURDAY NIGHT | ESPN | 39,000 | 10 | MIDSOMER MURDERS | UKTV | 33,000 | 11 | LIVE: AFLW: ADELAIDE V ST KILDA | FOX FOOTY | 33,000 | 12 | LIVE: AFLW: CARLTON V COLLINGWOOD | FOX FOOTY | 31,000 | 13 | PAUL MURRAY LIVE | Sky News Live | 30,000 | 14 | YESTERDAY | Movies Premiere | 30,000 | 15 | THE SIMPSONS | FOX8 | 30,000 | 16 | MIXED HITS | [V] | 29,000 | 17 | LIVE: AFLW: GEELONG V BRISBANE | FOX FOOTY | 29,000 | 18 | SELLING HOUSES AUSTRALIA | Lifestyle Channel | 29,000 | 19 | TEEN MOM: YOUNG & PREGNANT | MTV | 28,000 | 20 | DEATH IN PARADISE | BBC First | 26,000 |
very little televised sport on yesterday. NBL was FTA, one HAL game on Fox. Left pretty much just AFLW and the nba
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+xTop 20 for yesterday's Fox ratings, cut off at 26k, no HAL, interesting that very little sport is actually making the top 20: Rank | Description | Channel\Market | (r) National STV | 1 | LIVE: FIRE FIGHT AUSTRALIA | FOX8 | 138,000 | 2 | MAKE YOU LAUGH OUT LOUD | FOX8 | 105,000 | 3 | OUTSIDERS | Sky News Live | 67,000 | 4 | OUTSIDERS | Sky News Live | 66,000 | 5 | FRESH [V]ID: JUSTIN BIEBER FT. QUAVO | [V] | 56,000 | 6 | LIVE: FIRE FIGHT AUSTRALIA PRE SHOW | FOX8 | 55,000 | 7 | FIRE FIGHT AUSTRALIA | [V] | 45,000 | 8 | THE TRIAL OF CHRISTINE KEELER | BBC First | 41,000 | 9 | LIVE: NBA ALL-STAR SATURDAY NIGHT | ESPN | 39,000 | 10 | MIDSOMER MURDERS | UKTV | 33,000 | 11 | LIVE: AFLW: ADELAIDE V ST KILDA | FOX FOOTY | 33,000 | 12 | LIVE: AFLW: CARLTON V COLLINGWOOD | FOX FOOTY | 31,000 | 13 | PAUL MURRAY LIVE | Sky News Live | 30,000 | 14 | YESTERDAY | Movies Premiere | 30,000 | 15 | THE SIMPSONS | FOX8 | 30,000 | 16 | MIXED HITS | [V] | 29,000 | 17 | LIVE: AFLW: GEELONG V BRISBANE | FOX FOOTY | 29,000 | 18 | SELLING HOUSES AUSTRALIA | Lifestyle Channel | 29,000 | 19 | TEEN MOM: YOUNG & PREGNANT | MTV | 28,000 | 20 | DEATH IN PARADISE | BBC First | 26,000 |
It was two days earlier when it was dominated by NRL.
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Those are some low ratings all round. Can anyone dig out what would be the number of viewers for a top 20 show same time 5 years ago? I'd imagine it would be much higher.
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+xThose are some low ratings all round. Can anyone dig out what would be the number of viewers for a top 20 show same time 5 years ago? I'd imagine it would be much higher. INteresting question. I went on the TV Tonight ratings website, and just flicked backwards until I landed on a similar time of year, which ended up being Saturday 25 February 2012. Here are the results: Rank | Description | Channel\Market | (r) National STV | 1 | LIVE: SUPER RUGBY: WARATAHS V REDS | FOX SPORTS 3 | 193,000 | 2 | CRICKET: ICC CRICKET SHOW | FOX SPORTS 2 | 166,000 | 3 | LIVE: AFL: NAB CUP MELBOURNE V LIONS | FOX FOOTY | 147,000 | 4 | LIVE: AFL: NAB CUP GOLD COAST V MELB | FOX FOOTY | 141,000 | 5 | LIVE: CRICKET: ONE DAY SERIES | FOX SPORTS 2 | 130,000 | 6 | LIVE: AFL: NAB CUP LIONS V GOLD COAST | FOX FOOTY | 115,000 | 7 | LIVE: CRICKET: ONE DAY SERIES | FOX SPORTS 2 | 97,000 | 8 | THE SIMPSONS | FOX8 | 81,000 | 9 | THE SIMPSONS | FOX8 | 79,000 | 10 | LIVE: SUPER RUGBY: CHIEFS V H’LANDERS | FOX SPORTS 3 | 79,000 | 11 | THE SIMPSONS | FOX8 | 78,000 | 12 | THE SIMPSONS | FOX8 | 77,000 | 13 | CRICKET: WORLD SERIES CLASSICS | FOX SPORTS 2 | 71,000 | 14 | LIVE: SUPER RUGBY: POST GAME SHOW | FOX SPORTS 3 | 62,000 | 15 | LIVE: FOOTBALL: A-LEAGUE PERTH V BRIS | FOX SPORTS 1 | 56,000 | 16 | SKY NEWS NOW | SKY NEWS | 56,000 | 17 | GOOD LUCK CHARLIE | Disney Channel | 55,000 | 18 | THE SIMPSONS | FOX8 | 55,000 | 19 | WIZARDS OF WAVERLY PLACE | Disney Channel | 52,000 | 20 | THE SIMPSONS | FOX8 | 51,000 |
Worth noting: a. it's a higher cut-off than we normally see for this time of year b. check out the Super Rugby ratings - 193k!! c. even the Lions and Suns are getting decent ratings for a pre-season comp, which I doubt they would get these days. d. at no. 10 you have decent ratings for two non-Aust rugby teams, not sure they'd get that now. e. A-League in no. 15 with more than double the ratings what that game would get now. f. interest in The Simpsons has dropped off!
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https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2020/02/18/channel-seven/Seven slumps as younger viewers desert TV for online 10:10pm, Feb 18, 2020 The fall from grace of the once-glamorous commercial television sector has continued with Seven West Media reporting a $67 million half-year loss on Tuesday. Seven’s slump was driven by falls in advertising and write-downs of the value of its TV licence and cricket broadcasting contracts. Its share price consequently fell 21.15 per cent to a record-low 20.05 cents. The company said it expected similar conditions in the second half of the year. But independent media analyst Peter Cox said things could get even worse for Seven. “Nine’s Married at First Sight has been a success and it will capitalise on that this year as it takes time to see the benefits of a successful show. Meanwhile, Seven’s MKR [ My Kitchen Rules] is an utter disaster,” Mr Cox said. “The only hope for Seven now is the [AFL] football season and the Olympics, although people lose money on the Olympics. “The tennis [now with Nine] did well but [Seven’s] cricket was not a huge success.” Commercial televisions audiences have fallen significantly over time and that cuts the prices advertisers are prepared to pay for access to eyeballs. In the December half, Seven saw its TV advertising revenue fall 4 per cent to $603.3 million. That was better than the industry as a whole, with free-to-air (FTA) TV revenues falling 7 per cent and the ad market overall losing 8.5 per cent. Seven also did better with overall revenues, gaining the largest industry share of 38.8 per cent. However, that was a larger share of a declining audience that was not in an attractive demographic for advertisers. “Along with declining revenues, the other scary thing is how old the audience is,” Mr Cox said. “Free-to-air audiences are predominately over 50 and Foxtel’s Fire Aidconcert over the weekend’s audience was over 50 also. “Look at who the performers were – Alice Cooper, John Farnham, Olivia Newton-John, Cold Chisel.” Those older audiences “are the death knell for free to air and Foxtel,” because they are shrinking and advertisers don’t want to pay a lot for them. Although FTA audiences are declining, there is strong growth in the broadcast video on demand [BVOD] sector. Seven’s BVOD catchup service 7plus recorded a 33 per cent jump in usage and a 205 per cent revenue increase, but it only accounted for $11.9 million in earnings. “It’s growing off a very low base,” an analyst said. Seven is caught outside the growth area of streaming dominated by Netflix and Stan as well as offers from others including Foxtel and Amazon. Managing director James Warburton would say only that SVOD [streaming] opportunities were “under review”. The fragmenting of the television market is not necessarily a disaster for free-to-air television. “Young people are turning away from free to air and increasingly consuming content on devices and watching on demand,” said Matt Nunn, managing director of media buyer Nunn Media. “Clients’ budgets are what they are, so we’re seeing a diversification [of the ad spend]. But agencies still spend 43 per cent of their advertising budgets with television. “Watching on demand might be 2 per cent or 20 per cent of the market for some shows, so it’s not a drastic change of form. “There is still a big older audience out there that are couch potatoes and huge consumers of free-to-air TV.” Those FTA catch-up services run ads that fund the industry. But video streaming groups don’t run ads, living instead on subscriptions.
The climate is clearly changing and this is where Football could have an advantage down the track over other sports due to our perceived younger demographic.
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+xWas watching the Western United V Roar match on Kayo yesterday, but had to go out and pick up kids at halftime. The match was not broadcast AT ALL on any radio station in Melbourne. I know, I checked every station (about 50 that I can get in the Eastern suburbs) in the car. How do we expect anyone to care about this league when it has zero promotion and marketing? It’s broadcast on ABC Radio. Every game (the commentary is quite good and way better than Fox imo) Which ABC station carries each game seems to vary but that is the nature of modern media
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Super Rugby is still getting better ratings then the HAL and they have no TV deal next year.
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I'm going to call a spade a spade here and ask the question who really gives a toss about sport in this country apart from casual interest? None of teh 20 somethings I know have any interest in sport at all and most of them played football into their teens, and in a champion side. None of them watch the game at all now, despite growing up with it.
What streaming has done like never before is put sport head to head with innumerable other past time options. Also, in the local context, we're not like Europe, where huge numbers of people have stuff all else to do for much of the year in their cities and God awful climates but watch football.
For what it's worth, for football to survive here we MUST switch to winter. Summer football is a bad idea on so many levels now that to list them would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
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+xFor what it's worth, for football to survive here we MUST switch to winter. Summer football is a bad idea on so many levels now that to list them would be like shooting fish in a barrel. I'm starting to see the merit of switching back to Winter.
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https://tvtonight.com.au/2020/02/wednesday-19-february-2020.htmlno sport on last night you'd think the acl could crack the top 20
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+xI'm going to call a spade a spade here and ask the question who really gives a toss about sport in this country apart from casual interest? None of teh 20 somethings I know have any interest in sport at all and most of them played football into their teens, and in a champion side. None of them watch the game at all now, despite growing up with it. . I have to say, Im 38 and I fall into that category too. I have very little interest in sport (generally) anymore. I grew up watching basically any sport that was on if I was home on a weekend. From AFL to lawn bowls. Now I get youtube on the tele and watch shows about guitars or whatever I feel like when I have the time. I do still watch the A-League as much as I can but I used to watch all sports
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+x+xI'm going to call a spade a spade here and ask the question who really gives a toss about sport in this country apart from casual interest? None of teh 20 somethings I know have any interest in sport at all and most of them played football into their teens, and in a champion side. None of them watch the game at all now, despite growing up with it. . I have to say, Im 38 and I fall into that category too. I have very little interest in sport (generally) anymore. I grew up watching basically any sport that was on if I was home on a weekend. From AFL to lawn bowls. Now I get youtube on the tele and watch shows about guitars or whatever I feel like when I have the time.I do still watch the A-League as much as I can but I used to watch all sports And that comment “whatever I feel like” sums it up. Football (sports) have to create complementary content that’s not just the game or highlights but everything from tic-tok to YouTube and all platforms in between. It has to be content that hits some people, some of the time looking for “whatever I want”. It’s not easy but can be find.
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Football needs to produce elite players and teams, the rest will take care of itself.
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+x+xI'm going to call a spade a spade here and ask the question who really gives a toss about sport in this country apart from casual interest? None of teh 20 somethings I know have any interest in sport at all and most of them played football into their teens, and in a champion side. None of them watch the game at all now, despite growing up with it. . Now I get youtube on the tele and watch shows about guitars or whatever I feel like when I have the time. That Pedal Show?
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+xI'm going to call a spade a spade here and ask the question who really gives a toss about sport in this country apart from casual interest? None of teh 20 somethings I know have any interest in sport at all and most of them played football into their teens, and in a champion side. None of them watch the game at all now, despite growing up with it. What streaming has done like never before is put sport head to head with innumerable other past time options. Also, in the local context, we're not like Europe, where huge numbers of people have stuff all else to do for much of the year in their cities and God awful climates but watch football. For what it's worth, for football to survive here we MUST switch to winter. Summer football is a bad idea on so many levels now that to list them would be like shooting fish in a barrel. You have a good point and its changed the way people buy and watch sport and what are the new metrics.. In olden times say the time of FTA... it was ratings.... in less olden times we had FTA & Subscription TV... ratings where still a major part of the sports life cycle... What has changed is the audience and what they want... Fox could charge a small fortune and a person would watch many games ... these people were known as multi watchers and the NRL & AFL had many people who watched many games.. Today people want access to something and choose what parts they watch... for Football we have overseas leagues, FFA Cup, International matches, and State leagues. If I had say the top three European leagues plus J-League plus MLS, then added A-League, FFA Cup, State league competitions, and international matches and I controlled all of these I could see a massive product to a streaming company and argue for some FTA as well. If I had such a product many people would watch their preferred part and then look sometimes at the others. The chief issue FFA & iHal have is they only control the A-League... FFA don't control the media deal for WWC & ACQ, nor do they control the various state bases leagues, and at this stage the envisioned second division. IMO to make the media work work, FFA & iHal need to buy the rights from AFC if possible for the WCQ & ACQ, buy off the states their broadcast rights.. I am told by an Optus employee [very senior] one of the main reason Qptus did not bid for the A-League rights aside from the broadcasting issue was FFA could not guarantee Optus would get WCQ & ACQ and Optus were concerned Fox or a FTA would outbid them for these rights... This is an actual problem that faced both old FFA & new FFA / iHal, ... Streaming companies want a sport not bits of a sport, they don't care about any particular ratings ... they care about people wanting a sport and many people if the joining cost is low say $15 to $ 20 a month will buy it in big numbers... for Optus its not only the $15.00 its in many cases a phone and internet plan as well so the $ 15 becomes $ 90... How we get back control of WCQ & ACQ is anyone"s guess... but losing those rights has been the single biggest hit to Footballs revenue in the last 7 years... the compensation paid is a fraction of what the rights used to be sold for and a smaller fraction of what they could get for them today... AFC fund all Asian teams from this fund which is why so many smaller Asian nations can take part. The bigger question today is how or what we take to the market ... IMO IHal is not enough... The thinking on the new media deal needs to understand that many buyers today want the availability to watch the parts they want.... this is a totally different mindset to the past when a person would watch many matches in their choosen sport.
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^ some very good points Midfielder
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+x+x+xI'm going to call a spade a spade here and ask the question who really gives a toss about sport in this country apart from casual interest? None of teh 20 somethings I know have any interest in sport at all and most of them played football into their teens, and in a champion side. None of them watch the game at all now, despite growing up with it. . Now I get youtube on the tele and watch shows about guitars or whatever I feel like when I have the time. That Pedal Show? Ha ha yeah that's one of them for sure
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ICC Women’s T20 World Cup Gem Australia v India 291,000 (Metro 174,000 Regional 117,000) Supercars Adelaide 500 10Bold 73,000 (Metro) Friday Sports TV Subscription ICC Women’s T20 World Cup: Fox Cricket Australia v India Session 1: 121,000 Session 2: 193,000 Test Cricket Fox Cricket New Zealand v India 79,000 Supercars Adelaide 500 Fox Sports 70,000 AFL Pre-season Marsh Series Fox Footy Western Bulldogs v North Melbourne 64,000 AFLW Fox Footy St Kilda v Melbourne 18,000 Super Rugby Fox Sports Crusaders v Highlanders 30,000 A-League Fox Sports Wellington v Western United 8,000 Wanderers v Adelaide United 25,000
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+xICC Women’s T20 World Cup Gem Australia v India 291,000 (Metro 174,000 Regional 117,000) Supercars Adelaide 500 10Bold 73,000 (Metro) Friday Sports TV Subscription ICC Women’s T20 World Cup: Fox Cricket Australia v India Session 1: 121,000 Session 2: 193,000 Test Cricket Fox Cricket New Zealand v India 79,000 Supercars Adelaide 500 Fox Sports 70,000 AFL Pre-season Marsh Series Fox Footy Western Bulldogs v North Melbourne 64,000 AFLW Fox Footy St Kilda v Melbourne 18,000 Super Rugby Fox Sports Crusaders v Highlanders 30,000 A-League Fox Sports Wellington v Western United 8,000 Wanderers v Adelaide United 25,000 Outrated AFLW!!! Huge winnnnn
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Fair to say all those ratings are turgid. Foxtel really seems to be in it's end days. On the plus side, I finally got OPTUS Sport and it is so much better, the quality of the stream, the interface, the presentation and the price. Really hope Optus goes after A-league but doesn't overpay for NRL/AFL, so they can keep the price down and focus purely on Football.
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Those ratings are putrid, HAL will be lucky to get any money at all for a tv deal
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+xFair to say all those ratings are turgid. Foxtel really seems to be in it's end days. On the plus side, I finally got OPTUS Sport and it is so much better, the quality of the stream, the interface, the presentation and the price. Really hope Optus goes after A-league but doesn't overpay for NRL/AFL, so they can keep the price down and focus purely on Football. The thing that I've learnt from this forum is that people no longer watch Fox, ABC, or attend sports at venues that aren't owned by the club The A League is just very unlucky
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Saturday FTA sports TV Rugby League All Stars game Nine/Gem 476,000 (Metro 315,000 Regional 161,000)
Supercars Championship Adelaide 500 10 Race 1: 387,000 (Metro 223,000 Regional 164,000)
Saturday Subscription sports TV
Supercars Championship Adelaide: Fox Sports Race 1: 178,000 Rugby League All Stars: Fox League Indigenous All Stars v Maori All Stars Men 158,000 Indigenous All Stars v Maori All Stars Women 45,000 AFLW: Fox Footy Western Bulldogs v Carlton 28,000 Gold Coast v Brisbane 22,000 Fremantle v Collingwood 27,000 AFL Pre-season Marsh series: Fox Footy Melbourne v Adelaide 48,000 Gold Coast v Geelong 62,000 ICC Women’s T20 World Cup: Fox Cricket West Indies v Thailand 35,000 New Zealand v Sri Lanka 36,000 T20 South Africa v Australia: Fox Cricket Game 1: 26,000 Super Rugby: Fox Sports Chiefs v Brumbies 56,000 Reds v Sunwolves 49,000 Rebels v Sharks 39,000 A-League: Fox Sports Perth v Brisbane 21,000 Newcastle v Melbourne Victory 28,000
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Sunday ratings sportsindustry@footyindustryAUSunday Fox Sport Supercars - Adelaide - 222,000 (+273k Metro FTA) (Supercars 14 of top 22 Fox programmes) WCC - 55,000 Marsh Series - Bris v Port - 51,000 T20: RSA v Aus - 44,000 No AFLW/HAL or others in top 20.
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+xSunday ratings sportsindustry@footyindustryAUSunday Fox Sport Supercars - Adelaide - 222,000 (+273k Metro FTA) (Supercars 14 of top 22 Fox programmes) WCC - 55,000 Marsh Series - Bris v Port - 51,000 T20: RSA v Aus - 44,000 No AFLW/HAL or others in top 20. looks like aflw is going the way of the bbl sydney vs ccm is not very exciting we can't expect matches like that to be rated well
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+x+xSunday ratings sportsindustry@footyindustryAUSunday Fox Sport Supercars - Adelaide - 222,000 (+273k Metro FTA) (Supercars 14 of top 22 Fox programmes) WCC - 55,000 Marsh Series - Bris v Port - 51,000 T20: RSA v Aus - 44,000 No AFLW/HAL or others in top 20. looks like aflw is going the way of the bbl sydney vs ccm is not very exciting we can't expect matches like that to be rated well the top rating team in our biggest city ---- we can't expect it to rate well ??!!! FMD
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+x+x+xSunday ratings sportsindustry@footyindustryAUSunday Fox Sport Supercars - Adelaide - 222,000 (+273k Metro FTA) (Supercars 14 of top 22 Fox programmes) WCC - 55,000 Marsh Series - Bris v Port - 51,000 T20: RSA v Aus - 44,000 No AFLW/HAL or others in top 20. looks like aflw is going the way of the bbl sydney vs ccm is not very exciting we can't expect matches like that to be rated well the top rating team in our biggest city ---- we can't expect it to rate well ??!!! FMD it's just not a exciting match the derby will rate better
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