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+x+x+x+x+x+xThis Ruby Princess fiasco is a fucking shit fight -PB That's criminal fucking negligence as far as I'm concerned. yep sure is, led to believe the stupid Health Dept are the ones culpable listenning to news last night. SA infection increase yesterday was a number of Ruby Princess passengers. So they travelled through Sydney making their way to Adelaide, (how much contact did they have during that travel around innocent victums) what a joke. What about 30 people at one birthday dinner at Noosa getting infected. This thing must be so contagious. yer its mad. Funnily ever since this broke out we haven't had any family or friends visit which is fine by me/us ! We normally entertain so its already felt like we have been in semi lockdown last 3wks and happy with that. Yer pity for those on cruise ships, not as great idea for travelling for me but some like it and its bang for buck. Last night watching news a Italian cruise ship that was heading Venice and obviously hasn't got berth approval so its floating elsewhere trying to gain berth has 250 Aussies ! Worse most are elderly. One lady in her 60's I guess has her 90odd yr old Mum on board as well pleading for our Gov to fly them all back if and when they can get berthed. They are confined to their cabin rooms, food delivered etc, be like a prison. Not unsympathetic to all this but who in their right mind decided to get on a cruise ship even 3-4 weeks ago. I *think* one of the cruise ships off the coast of WA originally departed Europe in early January.
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Look at all these morons who think they’re smarter than the epidemiologists and diseases experts of whom the government is taking their advice. I mean what qualifications do any of you have another than an armchair, keyboard and degree in pretendology? The amount of wankers out their positing their worthless opinions is infuriating, like they think they know better than the experts because they looked at the trend line in Italy and decided thats the course where on. Stop taking your information and guidance from news.com.au and start acquainting yourselves with the facts and above all stop overruling the experts who are; a) smarter than you b) more qualified than you c) do this for a living Its just about being humble and not being a retarded ignorant bogan who thinks they know better than people who practice this stuff day in day out. Also going into lockdown wont make the virus go away. Essential services that will continue to operate include Government at all levels Police, fire and ambulance Airports, ports and customs Public transport Petrol stations Mechanics Supermarkets Chemists Prisons Hospitals and GPs Manufacturing Farming and agriculture Mining Couriers and truck drivers Takeaway and delivery drivers ( unless you want massive shortages and crowds at woolies) Trades (someones gotta fix the power) Engineers and field technicians Call centres and office workers for all of the above These industries employ millions and MUST continue to operate, and so the virus will continue to fester while these industries continue, ready to spike again as soon as the lockdown is lifted and people expect to resume their normal lives. Shame of Chris Bowen trying to leverage irrational community fear to discredit and undermine the PM and the experts whom are guiding these policies. Time is for bipartisanship not petty political attacks during times of genuine crisis.
I just urge people to repress that knee jerk instinct that makes them inclined to bash everything the government does and lets all join and work together to collectively resolve the situation. Most of all stop being dumb and listen to the experts and seek to understand their rationale rather than gathering your facts from facebook and conspiracy theorists on youtube.
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Unfortunately the stupidity spread online comes down to people see cases and deaths rise daily therefore concluding that the current measures aren't working and more drastic action is needed, not understanding the lag between measures being announced and their impact on transmissions (2-3 weeks for diagnosis and 3-4 weeks for deaths). The policies the government originally announced 13th March should start taking effect this week, so we should see a reduction in the rate of increase possibly plateauing by next week and then declining, keep in mind the main thing propping these numbers up are overseas arrivals which are relatively easy to trace. It appears at this stage only NSW or Sydney may need to go into more draconian lockdown as their is evidence of community transmission at this stage, but other states like Qld and SA appear to have it under control so far.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xhttps://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/Coronavirus cases and death toll growth rate clearly slowly in Italy, as expected. It takes about 2 weeks for social distancing policies to kick in, due to the lag between catching the virus (incubation typically 2-14 days), therefore the current deaths and newly diagnosed most likely caught the virus in previous weeks. I’d expect there to be a sudden fall in diagnoses and deaths within the next couple weeks almost tapering to current South Korea levels, provided social distancing policies remain intact. I’d expect to see Australia fare much better, likely the short term death rate will be hundreds rather than thousands, again contingent on social distancing and hand washing. Over the longer trajectory thousands will lose their lives but it wont be an apocalypse like the media and our bed wetting politicians are predicting. The real war is the cost to the economy and whether we can bounce back or remain in a permanent state of fear. I've not read into it but South Korea pulled the handbrake on this. I imagine they shut everything down. Their cases rose quickly to 7500 over a matter of days but they've only had another 1500 in around 14 days since then. No SK just exercised social distancing, mass testing and they all wear masks. Commerce is still open as is their airport. They basically test anyone with symptoms, positive cases are forced into quarantine and treated with viral and anti viral medications (the same ones we’re “trialling”). Being an Asian country they seem to be much better prepared for epidemics than we are, our approach seems to be running around changing policy everyday while not actually enforcing any of it. I’d say as of right now there are potentially tens of thousands of undiagnosed cases just floating around our neighbourhoods and parks, about to become the next wave of hospital visits. This is what I worry about. We aren't exercising social distancing. I think our testing has been pretty good but not as aggressive as SK. They were better prepared due to SARS as is HK and Singapore. I imagine some countries besides China have temperature measuring checkpoints? It's very true a lot of people stikk aren't distancing. I left my apartment for the first time in 3 days and it felt a bit odd. Many people's brains will transform in this period of isolation and disconnection. I don't think Australia has the equipment or capacity to conduct public checks save the testing stations people can go to. I'm more thinking of having officials go to shopping centres. If they can set up a semi trailer for certain cancer tests then surely some kind of temperature measuring thing could work? We have the testing stations at various hospitals but the current protocol is to book at time with your GP first and they will triage whether there is a need for you to be tested or not. They widened the testing criteria over the weekend to include all medical staff and not just those from overseas or have contacted a confirmed case.
The semi trailer thing might work since we have developed a test which can screen people in around 15 mins now. That’s a game changer but not sure when that can be properly rolled out. There are apparently shortages in PPE equipment as well. Eh, yes and no. In Canberra (initially, until before this weekend, at least), they have only been testing IF you have been overseas/travelled interstate AND show symptoms. Considering the cases here have jumped up like 1000% over this weekend, that is going to have to change. I don't believe that if the cases have gone up that much in a place like Canberra in the space of 3 days, that there ISN'T community transition. The problem is most people with it are asymptomatic and they're not being tested. I understand why and it's simply impossible to test everyone BUT that's why this thing won't slow down anytime soon despite Rusty's 'feelings' that we will. Even if it takes only 5 days to show symptoms. Think how many people you've mixed with over those 5 days before you even knew you had it. The US's cases are set to explode in the next couple of days. Already New York has more cases then most countries. Australia is tracking along exactly like Italy, France and Spain just 2 or 3 weeks behind. We're next. Agree with both Nic and Muz. Hope we're wrong about being 2-3 weeks behind Italy though but trend is that way. Likewise, I hope we're wrong about being 2-3 weeks behind Italy. I guess the one positive thing is that we've seen whats happened in Italy, and we've started these lockdowns/social distancing/information campaigns. I know theres plenty of dipshits ignoring them, but theres plenty more people taking them seriously. It will take a week or two to see if our trend starts to level off as a result of these actions. The overnight results are lower than the day before. So hopefully.
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+xUnfortunately the stupidity spread online comes down to people see cases and deaths rise daily therefore concluding that the current measures aren't working and more drastic action is needed, not understanding the lag between measures being announced and their impact on transmissions (2-3 weeks for diagnosis and 3-4 weeks for deaths). The policies the government originally announced 13th March should start taking effect this week, so we should see a reduction in the rate of increase possibly plateauing by next week and then declining, keep in mind the main thing propping these numbers up are overseas arrivals which are relatively easy to trace. It appears at this stage only NSW or Sydney may need to go into more draconian lockdown as their is evidence of community transmission at this stage, but other states like Qld and SA appear to have it under control so far. The overnight numbers in NSW are an improvement but the numbers are still concerning. As for bipartisanship, I think Labor gave the Liberals approval to spend A$40 billion as part of the next stimulus package (with anything more than $1 billion to be consulted). That's pretty good for the ALP to do this (and the right thing). My issue with the Federal Government is the lack of clarity from the PM. The hairdresser thing the most recent example.
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+x+xUnfortunately the stupidity spread online comes down to people see cases and deaths rise daily therefore concluding that the current measures aren't working and more drastic action is needed, not understanding the lag between measures being announced and their impact on transmissions (2-3 weeks for diagnosis and 3-4 weeks for deaths). The policies the government originally announced 13th March should start taking effect this week, so we should see a reduction in the rate of increase possibly plateauing by next week and then declining, keep in mind the main thing propping these numbers up are overseas arrivals which are relatively easy to trace. It appears at this stage only NSW or Sydney may need to go into more draconian lockdown as their is evidence of community transmission at this stage, but other states like Qld and SA appear to have it under control so far. The overnight numbers in NSW are an improvement but the numbers are still concerning. As for bipartisanship, I think Labor gave the Liberals approval to spend A$40 billion as part of the next stimulus package (with anything more than $1 billion to be consulted). That's pretty good for the ALP to do this (and the right thing). My issue with the Federal Government is the lack of clarity from the PM. The hairdresser thing the most recent example. Yes it was good of Labor to support the stimulus. They should keep it up and not go down the path of trying politicise the pandemic.
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Great. Greg Hunt. Good. Josh Frydenburg. Shitshow. Morrison. All round kh_unt and dog whistler extraordinaire. Peter Dutton.
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+x+xUnfortunately the stupidity spread online comes down to people see cases and deaths rise daily therefore concluding that the current measures aren't working and more drastic action is needed, not understanding the lag between measures being announced and their impact on transmissions (2-3 weeks for diagnosis and 3-4 weeks for deaths). The policies the government originally announced 13th March should start taking effect this week, so we should see a reduction in the rate of increase possibly plateauing by next week and then declining, keep in mind the main thing propping these numbers up are overseas arrivals which are relatively easy to trace. It appears at this stage only NSW or Sydney may need to go into more draconian lockdown as their is evidence of community transmission at this stage, but other states like Qld and SA appear to have it under control so far. The overnight numbers in NSW are an improvement but the numbers are still concerning. As for bipartisanship, I think Labor gave the Liberals approval to spend A$40 billion as part of the next stimulus package (with anything more than $1 billion to be consulted). That's pretty good for the ALP to do this (and the right thing). My issue with the Federal Government is the lack of clarity from the PM. The hairdresser thing the most recent example. Seriously, who the fuck needs their hair cut right now? If you do... do it at home, fucking ridiculous. There is absolutely no reason for retail outlets and places like hairdressers to be open right now. I feel like we are just half arsing this thing.
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+xShitshow. Morrison. All round kh_unt and dog whistler extraordinaire. Peter Dutton. Some people cant resist the opportunity to have a dig even in times of crisis 😢
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+x+x+xUnfortunately the stupidity spread online comes down to people see cases and deaths rise daily therefore concluding that the current measures aren't working and more drastic action is needed, not understanding the lag between measures being announced and their impact on transmissions (2-3 weeks for diagnosis and 3-4 weeks for deaths). The policies the government originally announced 13th March should start taking effect this week, so we should see a reduction in the rate of increase possibly plateauing by next week and then declining, keep in mind the main thing propping these numbers up are overseas arrivals which are relatively easy to trace. It appears at this stage only NSW or Sydney may need to go into more draconian lockdown as their is evidence of community transmission at this stage, but other states like Qld and SA appear to have it under control so far. The overnight numbers in NSW are an improvement but the numbers are still concerning. As for bipartisanship, I think Labor gave the Liberals approval to spend A$40 billion as part of the next stimulus package (with anything more than $1 billion to be consulted). That's pretty good for the ALP to do this (and the right thing). My issue with the Federal Government is the lack of clarity from the PM. The hairdresser thing the most recent example. Seriously, who the fuck needs their hair cut right now? If you do... do it at home, fucking ridiculous. There is absolutely no reason for retail outlets and places like hairdressers to be open right now. I feel like we are just half arsing this thing. Its not feasible to lock down society for 12 months or more until a vaccine is found. As some point the economy is going to have to open up again and its up to individuals to practice good hygiene and social distancing if they want to avoid catching the virus. As long as people observe social distancing, whether hairdressers and retail is open or not, is the key to slowing the spread, not shutting down everything and hiding under our beds. As I outlined in my earlier post its not possible to initiate a total lockdown of society in order to eliminate the virus, millions will continue to be employed in essential services and this will continue to drive transmission. Even if you reduce jobs to thousands it would continue to be transmitted, there is no escaping or hiding it until we develop vaccines.
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+x+xShitshow. Morrison. All round kh_unt and dog whistler extraordinaire. Peter Dutton. Some people cant resist the opportunity to have a dig even in times of crisis 😢 Absolutely rich coming from you. And selectively quoting. Nice.
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+x+x+xShitshow. Morrison. All round kh_unt and dog whistler extraordinaire. Peter Dutton. Some people cant resist the opportunity to have a dig even in times of crisis 😢 Absolutely rich coming from you. And selectively quoting. Nice. X100. Rusty would be ripping into say albo if this happened under his watch and would be calling for everything to be shut down .
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+xStop taking your information and guidance from news.com.au and start acquainting yourselves with the facts and above all stop overruling the experts who are;
a) smarter than you
b) more qualified than you
c) do this for a living
No sense of irony I see. Incredible. After you said you're better off letting people die rather than tank the economy nothing you say can be treated seriously. You'd get less partisan commentary from Fox news.
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+x+xShitshow. Morrison. All round kh_unt and dog whistler extraordinaire. Peter Dutton. Some people cant resist the opportunity to have a dig even in times of crisis 😢 I thought Dutton was in quarantine but agree with Muz on the other 3. Hunt was clear and articulate in his update the other day and Frydenburg got his points across with the stimulus.
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+x+x+x+xUnfortunately the stupidity spread online comes down to people see cases and deaths rise daily therefore concluding that the current measures aren't working and more drastic action is needed, not understanding the lag between measures being announced and their impact on transmissions (2-3 weeks for diagnosis and 3-4 weeks for deaths). The policies the government originally announced 13th March should start taking effect this week, so we should see a reduction in the rate of increase possibly plateauing by next week and then declining, keep in mind the main thing propping these numbers up are overseas arrivals which are relatively easy to trace. It appears at this stage only NSW or Sydney may need to go into more draconian lockdown as their is evidence of community transmission at this stage, but other states like Qld and SA appear to have it under control so far. The overnight numbers in NSW are an improvement but the numbers are still concerning. As for bipartisanship, I think Labor gave the Liberals approval to spend A$40 billion as part of the next stimulus package (with anything more than $1 billion to be consulted). That's pretty good for the ALP to do this (and the right thing). My issue with the Federal Government is the lack of clarity from the PM. The hairdresser thing the most recent example. Seriously, who the fuck needs their hair cut right now? If you do... do it at home, fucking ridiculous. There is absolutely no reason for retail outlets and places like hairdressers to be open right now. I feel like we are just half arsing this thing. Its not feasible to lock down society for 12 months or more until a vaccine is found. As some point the economy is going to have to open up again and its up to individuals to practice good hygiene and social distancing if they want to avoid catching the virus. As long as people observe social distancing, whether hairdressers and retail is open or not, is the key to slowing the spread, not shutting down everything and hiding under our beds. As I outlined in my earlier post its not possible to initiate a total lockdown of society in order to eliminate the virus, millions will continue to be employed in essential services and this will continue to drive transmission. Even if you reduce jobs to thousands it would continue to be transmitted, there is no escaping or hiding it until we develop vaccines. No one is saying a 12 month total lock down (we still need essential services like food, health, logistics, etc). The problem is these half baked measures are going to drag it out even longer. Also how can you practice social distancing as a hairdresser? Even the CEO of Just Cuts has said the decision is "bonkers". You also don't need to wait for a vaccine. Just so everyone infected is isolated and treated.
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+x+xStop taking your information and guidance from news.com.au and start acquainting yourselves with the facts and above all stop overruling the experts who are;
a) smarter than you
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No sense of irony I see. Incredible. After you said you're better off letting people die rather than tank the economy nothing you say can be treated seriously. You'd get less partisan commentary from Fox news. I think "its just about being humble" as some would say.
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As someone who works in an essential service (logistics) times are scary. Our yard has now been lockedown .All deliveries incoming and outgoing have to be now be loaded and unloaded at the front of the building. We have no choice but to keep working.
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+xAs someone who works in an essential service (logistics) times are scary. Our yard has now been lockedown .All deliveries incoming and outgoing have to be now be loaded and unloaded at the front of the building. We have no choice but to keep working. Social distance as best you can and get your coworkers to do the same.
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+x+xAs someone who works in an essential service (logistics) times are scary. Our yard has now been lockedown .All deliveries incoming and outgoing have to be now be loaded and unloaded at the front of the building. We have no choice but to keep working. Social distance as best you can and get your coworkers to do the same. We do. Problem is when we have to help each other . Since we're a hire company we trying our best
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+x+x+x+x+xUnfortunately the stupidity spread online comes down to people see cases and deaths rise daily therefore concluding that the current measures aren't working and more drastic action is needed, not understanding the lag between measures being announced and their impact on transmissions (2-3 weeks for diagnosis and 3-4 weeks for deaths). The policies the government originally announced 13th March should start taking effect this week, so we should see a reduction in the rate of increase possibly plateauing by next week and then declining, keep in mind the main thing propping these numbers up are overseas arrivals which are relatively easy to trace. It appears at this stage only NSW or Sydney may need to go into more draconian lockdown as their is evidence of community transmission at this stage, but other states like Qld and SA appear to have it under control so far. The overnight numbers in NSW are an improvement but the numbers are still concerning. As for bipartisanship, I think Labor gave the Liberals approval to spend A$40 billion as part of the next stimulus package (with anything more than $1 billion to be consulted). That's pretty good for the ALP to do this (and the right thing). My issue with the Federal Government is the lack of clarity from the PM. The hairdresser thing the most recent example. Seriously, who the fuck needs their hair cut right now? If you do... do it at home, fucking ridiculous. There is absolutely no reason for retail outlets and places like hairdressers to be open right now. I feel like we are just half arsing this thing. Its not feasible to lock down society for 12 months or more until a vaccine is found. As some point the economy is going to have to open up again and its up to individuals to practice good hygiene and social distancing if they want to avoid catching the virus. As long as people observe social distancing, whether hairdressers and retail is open or not, is the key to slowing the spread, not shutting down everything and hiding under our beds. As I outlined in my earlier post its not possible to initiate a total lockdown of society in order to eliminate the virus, millions will continue to be employed in essential services and this will continue to drive transmission. Even if you reduce jobs to thousands it would continue to be transmitted, there is no escaping or hiding it until we develop vaccines. No one is saying a 12 month total lock down (we still need essential services like food, health, logistics, etc). The problem is these half baked measures are going to drag it out even longer. Also how can you practice social distancing as a hairdresser? Even the CEO of Just Cuts has said the decision is "bonkers". You also don't need to wait for a vaccine. Just so everyone infected is isolated and treated. Definitely flattening the curve is what we need to at least partially go back to normal, but we don't necessarily have to wait up to 18 months for the vaccine either, as there will be other treatments like antivirals that make it harder to catch or take effect etc developed sooner.
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+x+x+x+x+xUnfortunately the stupidity spread online comes down to people see cases and deaths rise daily therefore concluding that the current measures aren't working and more drastic action is needed, not understanding the lag between measures being announced and their impact on transmissions (2-3 weeks for diagnosis and 3-4 weeks for deaths). The policies the government originally announced 13th March should start taking effect this week, so we should see a reduction in the rate of increase possibly plateauing by next week and then declining, keep in mind the main thing propping these numbers up are overseas arrivals which are relatively easy to trace. It appears at this stage only NSW or Sydney may need to go into more draconian lockdown as their is evidence of community transmission at this stage, but other states like Qld and SA appear to have it under control so far. The overnight numbers in NSW are an improvement but the numbers are still concerning. As for bipartisanship, I think Labor gave the Liberals approval to spend A$40 billion as part of the next stimulus package (with anything more than $1 billion to be consulted). That's pretty good for the ALP to do this (and the right thing). My issue with the Federal Government is the lack of clarity from the PM. The hairdresser thing the most recent example. Seriously, who the fuck needs their hair cut right now? If you do... do it at home, fucking ridiculous. There is absolutely no reason for retail outlets and places like hairdressers to be open right now. I feel like we are just half arsing this thing. Its not feasible to lock down society for 12 months or more until a vaccine is found. As some point the economy is going to have to open up again and its up to individuals to practice good hygiene and social distancing if they want to avoid catching the virus. As long as people observe social distancing, whether hairdressers and retail is open or not, is the key to slowing the spread, not shutting down everything and hiding under our beds. As I outlined in my earlier post its not possible to initiate a total lockdown of society in order to eliminate the virus, millions will continue to be employed in essential services and this will continue to drive transmission. Even if you reduce jobs to thousands it would continue to be transmitted, there is no escaping or hiding it until we develop vaccines. No one is saying a 12 month total lock down (we still need essential services like food, health, logistics, etc). The problem is these half baked measures are going to drag it out even longer. Also how can you practice social distancing as a hairdresser? Even the CEO of Just Cuts has said the decision is "bonkers". You also don't need to wait for a vaccine. Just so everyone infected is isolated and treated. But if youre not prepared to shut down essential services like food, health etc then that amounts to “half baked” measures because the virus will still be allowed to propagate in those industries and then eventually worm its way back into general society. So you basically gotta get the military onto the streets and basically start firing bullets at anyone who breaks the social distancing rules, in order to enforce a full baked lock down, but even that wont stop it. I would also refer to my previous post and not pretend that dumb people like you and me are smarter than the experts who are guiding the decisions the government is taking. Sure we can question the authorities but perhaps lets wait to see how they pan out first before calling them half baked.
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+x+x+x+xShitshow. Morrison. All round kh_unt and dog whistler extraordinaire. Peter Dutton. Some people cant resist the opportunity to have a dig even in times of crisis 😢 Absolutely rich coming from you. And selectively quoting. Nice. X100. Rusty would be ripping into say albo if this happened under his watch and would be calling for everything to be shut down . Not at all. I would be very pleased that Albo was taking advice from a panel of experts rather than echo chamber of bogans and halfwits on social media.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xUnfortunately the stupidity spread online comes down to people see cases and deaths rise daily therefore concluding that the current measures aren't working and more drastic action is needed, not understanding the lag between measures being announced and their impact on transmissions (2-3 weeks for diagnosis and 3-4 weeks for deaths). The policies the government originally announced 13th March should start taking effect this week, so we should see a reduction in the rate of increase possibly plateauing by next week and then declining, keep in mind the main thing propping these numbers up are overseas arrivals which are relatively easy to trace. It appears at this stage only NSW or Sydney may need to go into more draconian lockdown as their is evidence of community transmission at this stage, but other states like Qld and SA appear to have it under control so far. The overnight numbers in NSW are an improvement but the numbers are still concerning. As for bipartisanship, I think Labor gave the Liberals approval to spend A$40 billion as part of the next stimulus package (with anything more than $1 billion to be consulted). That's pretty good for the ALP to do this (and the right thing). My issue with the Federal Government is the lack of clarity from the PM. The hairdresser thing the most recent example. Seriously, who the fuck needs their hair cut right now? If you do... do it at home, fucking ridiculous. There is absolutely no reason for retail outlets and places like hairdressers to be open right now. I feel like we are just half arsing this thing. Its not feasible to lock down society for 12 months or more until a vaccine is found. As some point the economy is going to have to open up again and its up to individuals to practice good hygiene and social distancing if they want to avoid catching the virus. As long as people observe social distancing, whether hairdressers and retail is open or not, is the key to slowing the spread, not shutting down everything and hiding under our beds. As I outlined in my earlier post its not possible to initiate a total lockdown of society in order to eliminate the virus, millions will continue to be employed in essential services and this will continue to drive transmission. Even if you reduce jobs to thousands it would continue to be transmitted, there is no escaping or hiding it until we develop vaccines. No one is saying a 12 month total lock down (we still need essential services like food, health, logistics, etc). The problem is these half baked measures are going to drag it out even longer. Also how can you practice social distancing as a hairdresser? Even the CEO of Just Cuts has said the decision is "bonkers". You also don't need to wait for a vaccine. Just so everyone infected is isolated and treated. But if youre not prepared to shut down essential services like food, health etc then that amounts to “half baked” measures because the virus will still be allowed to propagate in those industries and then eventually worm its way back into general society. So you basically gotta get the military onto the streets and basically start firing bullets at anyone who breaks the social distancing rules, in order to enforce a full baked lock down, but even that wont stop it. I would also refer to my previous post and not pretend that dumb people like you and me are smarter than the experts who are guiding the decisions the government is taking. Sure we can question the authorities but perhaps lets wait to see how they pan out first before calling them half baked. In Wuhan, their "full shutdown" still kept food, health and logistics services going. I'm also calling it half baked because of the hairdresser backflip. The non-schools closure has also been poorly explained and we see all the states doing their own thing now.
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scubaroo
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+x+x+x+x+x+xUnfortunately the stupidity spread online comes down to people see cases and deaths rise daily therefore concluding that the current measures aren't working and more drastic action is needed, not understanding the lag between measures being announced and their impact on transmissions (2-3 weeks for diagnosis and 3-4 weeks for deaths). The policies the government originally announced 13th March should start taking effect this week, so we should see a reduction in the rate of increase possibly plateauing by next week and then declining, keep in mind the main thing propping these numbers up are overseas arrivals which are relatively easy to trace. It appears at this stage only NSW or Sydney may need to go into more draconian lockdown as their is evidence of community transmission at this stage, but other states like Qld and SA appear to have it under control so far. The overnight numbers in NSW are an improvement but the numbers are still concerning. As for bipartisanship, I think Labor gave the Liberals approval to spend A$40 billion as part of the next stimulus package (with anything more than $1 billion to be consulted). That's pretty good for the ALP to do this (and the right thing). My issue with the Federal Government is the lack of clarity from the PM. The hairdresser thing the most recent example. Seriously, who the fuck needs their hair cut right now? If you do... do it at home, fucking ridiculous. There is absolutely no reason for retail outlets and places like hairdressers to be open right now. I feel like we are just half arsing this thing. Its not feasible to lock down society for 12 months or more until a vaccine is found. As some point the economy is going to have to open up again and its up to individuals to practice good hygiene and social distancing if they want to avoid catching the virus. As long as people observe social distancing, whether hairdressers and retail is open or not, is the key to slowing the spread, not shutting down everything and hiding under our beds. As I outlined in my earlier post its not possible to initiate a total lockdown of society in order to eliminate the virus, millions will continue to be employed in essential services and this will continue to drive transmission. Even if you reduce jobs to thousands it would continue to be transmitted, there is no escaping or hiding it until we develop vaccines. No one is saying a 12 month total lock down (we still need essential services like food, health, logistics, etc). The problem is these half baked measures are going to drag it out even longer. Also how can you practice social distancing as a hairdresser? Even the CEO of Just Cuts has said the decision is "bonkers". You also don't need to wait for a vaccine. Just so everyone infected is isolated and treated. But if youre not prepared to shut down essential services like food, health etc then that amounts to “half baked” measures because the virus will still be allowed to propagate in those industries and then eventually worm its way back into general society. So you basically gotta get the military onto the streets and basically start firing bullets at anyone who breaks the social distancing rules, in order to enforce a full baked lock down, but even that wont stop it. I would also refer to my previous post and not pretend that dumb people like you and me are smarter than the experts who are guiding the decisions the government is taking. Sure we can question the authorities but perhaps lets wait to see how they pan out first before calling them half baked. When we get on the other side of this, we are going to be coming back in stages as we are going into it in stages, the problem being is that the stages haven't been appropriate. Just from the info i know from my wife, they've been told they will close soon maybe before stage 3 so they have enough medical supplies for coming out the other end at stage 3. The problem being is that the Australian Dental Association has been told by the federal government that emergency dental will close at stage 3, which appears to be the same time as places like hairdressers, shoes stores and christmas ornament stores. That makes complete sense, if that isn't rectified after the peak, we will have major issues. Not to mention if dentists had adequate supplies to continue all the way through, they should, considering it means emergency patients would be sent to hospital otherwise. Broken record. Fuck yes.
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Would this be a great time to get all the track work and other big maintenance projects done? Only doubt is so many workers could keep that far apart. Surely all the roadworks could be done with radio and distancing.
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As we start again in phases I fear the case number will jump again. Even with say 20 new cases a day, I fear just one of those people could infect hundreds and we go again.
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scubaroo
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+xAs we start again in phases I fear the case number will jump again. Even with say 20 new cases a day, I fear just one of those people could infect hundreds and we go again. I read an article somewhere about afterwards being called the "dance" where it will be fluctuating up and down. Im not sure went they say it won't ramp back up though but i think it would be due to people building immunity or the like, experience in treating and the ability to treat due to low numbers.
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+x+xAs we start again in phases I fear the case number will jump again. Even with say 20 new cases a day, I fear just one of those people could infect hundreds and we go again. I read an article somewhere about afterwards being called the "dance" where it will be fluctuating up and down. Im not sure went they say it won't ramp back up though but i think it would be due to people building immunity or the like, experience in treating and the ability to treat due to low numbers. I think the idea is that after the "hammer" (i.e. full lockdown) you gradually lift restrictions and get better at things such as contact tracing to try and control things. If things get bad again then you increase restrictions. There's lots of unknowns though and people are watching china to see what happens when restrictions start to be lifted.
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NSW have recorded less new cases for two days in a row, but I still have massive questions over community spreading (without contact to a case and/or not travelled overseas). I know many people personally that have had some (not all) symptoms but have been denied testing because no travel or contact. I only know of one person that her and her kids had fever that was able to be tested, she was negative, but she is the only person I know that has not met the criteria but still been tested.
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