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+xThe A-League needs to start ASAP! The rugby league are starting back this month and our season started before theres!?! A-league should start before the league and finish before them earlier. Not good enough FFA!! Positive for the A-league restarting so late is that we will have a very short off-season as plans are in place for an October kickoff!
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Sports stars around the world have been caught out breaking coronavirus restrictions but none have been as brazen as NFL star Roquan Smith.While NRL stars Latrell Mitchell, Josh Addo-Carr and Nathan Cleary have been widely criticised for ignoring social distancing laws during the pandemicgnoring social distancing laws during the pandemic, the Chicago Bears linebacker made Australia's footy stars look like choir boys with a stunt that has been described as "simply idiotic"
Yeah everyone is stupid except the Australian footy players what a stupid article.
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+xThe A-League needs to start ASAP! The rugby league are starting back this month and our season started before theres!?! A-league should start before the league and finish before them earlier. Not good enough FFA!! What if ASAP is August?
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+x+xThe A-League needs to start ASAP! The rugby league are starting back this month and our season started before theres!?! A-league should start before the league and finish before them earlier. Not good enough FFA!! What if ASAP is August? Will have an impact on the FFA cup To be honest don't care about the A League as that's been on the downward path for a while. More concerned about local leagues starting up again as this is where the next Socceroos and Matildas are going to come from
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSorry - that has now been granted a couple of hours ago!! NSW Health Minister though is saying that they have not given the go ahead as they have not seen any plans. If the plans meet the criteria (AND THERE WILL BE NO FAVOURITISM SHOWN) then it will get the go ahead. This is in line with what the police commissioner has already said At this point, it DOES look like the two state governments are showing favourtism towards the NRL. For starters, NSW is still the most affected state in the whole of Australia. Hazzard actually sounded pretty pissed off that the NRL are verbally them. I think they would be better off working with the NSW government rather than pissing them off. Yet in Queensland, the Premier (and I am no fan) has this to say: “I said I was as keen as anyone else to see the NRL return and I meant it,” she said.
“The only condition was that it did not put our excellent work containing the spread of COVID-19 at risk and the Chief Health Officer advises that the NRL plan is workable.
“First round games will be played in Queensland and of course I put in a bid for a local grand final and we all look forward to hosting the State of Origin.”
Perhaps the FFA and NSW government could collaborate on a May 2021 start for the A-league ... just so both parties are comfortable they are not being rushed into it.
Hazzard was actually pretty pissed off all round. All the questions before that were to do with Aged Care. He was at pains to say how he thought things had been done wrong - but then added that it was a Commonwealth responsibility as was border security and the NSW health department were doing great work (all while inferring that we would be in a lot better place if the Federal responsibilities had been handled as well). You only have to google a few articles to understand that the Ruby Princess was NOT Border Force’s responsibility. Border Force doesn’t have a health department. Police investigation will resolve it anyway. It’s pretty obvious which state has been worst at handling this whole thing. Haz(z)ard is just deflecting and running scared. I t is there statutory responsibility. Morrison also explicitly said it was Border Forces call before anyone was released. You may say that this is a semantic argument but responsibility and operating under authority from those responsible are two different things. Border Force can delegate authority but you cannot delegate responsibility. That is management 101, They may not have a Health department but they needed to have governance structure over the situation. i.e. Establish (probably in consultation with the federal CMO who is responsible for biosecurity what criteria needs to be met before anyone was let off the ship). This was not done. Border Force Commissioner Michael Outram has hit back at claims Border Force officials were responsible for letting coronavirus infected passengers off the Ruby Princess cruise ship in Sydney, saying the health assessment was the job of NSW Health.Mr Outram said health officials, not Border Force, had judged the ship low risk, and had cleared passengers under the Biosecurity Act to disembark. They had not boarded the ship to check."What broke down in this case was ... health officers, trained doctors or nurses didn't get on board the vessel, swab passengers and take their swabs for results," he said.The ship has now been blamed for spreading coronavirus,with passengers in several states, including at least five in the ACT, testing positive. So far, 133 passengers have tested positive, and on Tuesday one died. Mr Outram held a press conference on Wednesday to defend Border Force, after The Australian newspaper reported that NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian had told her party room meeting that border force officials had wrongly advised NSW Health that the ship was low risk.Mr Outram said his officers were responsible for ensuring there was no contraband and ensuring everyone had visas. The Department of Agriculture had the biosecurity responsibility, he said.So basically NSW Health were operating under the authority of Border Force and.or the Department of Agriculture while being overseen by the responsible body. T hey had been given authority and stuffed up - but really it was not their responsibility. The buck stops with the people that are responsible. To the extent that Border Force had done anything in terms of governance NSW health followed the followed national guidelines (set by Border Force) which allow passengers to disembark if the route is considered "low risk". The Ruby Princess was given that status because it had been to New Zealand only. So basically, as your post states, Border Force acted on the recommendations of the medical ‘experts’ - NSW Health. And NSW Health got it wrong. If a doctor says a player is low risk of re-injuring if he plays, should the coach take that advice, or just keep the player on the bench indefinitely. No - they acted on the recommendation of the Federal CMO. In this instance the Federal CMO advised Border Force who made the decision they were responsible for and told NSW Health how to act. When NSW acted the way they were advised Border Force blamed NSW Health. Oh dear pat .... "On Tuesday, a special commission of inquiry into the ill-fated voyage heard that, under guidelines implemented the day the ship docked, NSW Health had to be informed if there had been a respiratory outbreak of more than 1 per cent of passengers on board. Counsel Assisting the Inquiry, Richard Beasley SC, said a NSW Health team assessed the vessel as “low risk” by at least 4.40pm on March 18, but possibly earlier. The ship’s log used to make that assessment recorded 36 of the 3795 people on board had presented to the medical centre with relevant symptoms – 0.94 per cent. As the 1 per cent threshold had not been reached, passengers were allowed to disembark at Circular Quay the next day without any teams from NSW Health boarding to ship to make assessments."
So NSW Health let them disembark based on a technicality ... because ONLY 0.94% had the virus.
Update: The 1% rule itself was part of a NSW Govt guideline developed by NSW Health. Disgraceful that Minister Haz(z)ard has tried to implicate the Federal Govt.
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And now Serie A clubs have been given the go ahead to resume training ...
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+x+xThe A-League needs to start ASAP! The rugby league are starting back this month and our season started before theres!?! A-league should start before the league and finish before them earlier. Not good enough FFA!! What if ASAP is August? If the rugby league can start before then then there is NO reason why the A-League can't too. Not good enough FFA!!
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+x+x+xThe A-League needs to start ASAP! The rugby league are starting back this month and our season started before theres!?! A-league should start before the league and finish before them earlier. Not good enough FFA!! What if ASAP is August? If the rugby league can start before then then there is NO reason why the A-League can't too. Not good enough FFA!! Bundesliga given approval to restart in 10 days time.
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+x+x+xThe A-League needs to start ASAP! The rugby league are starting back this month and our season started before theres!?! A-league should start before the league and finish before them earlier. Not good enough FFA!! What if ASAP is August? If the rugby league can start before then then there is NO reason why the A-League can't too. Not good enough FFA!! What rugby league do, or don’t do, has no bearing on what football should do. How many times on these pages do we see people comment that football should do its own thing and not copy other codes?
And the circumstances are completely different between the two codes.
Football has 100% of this seasons tv money in the bank and only has a fraction of the season to complete, a season which can be completed in a matter of weeks with zero impact on next season.
Rugby League only has 25% of this seasons tv money in the bank, the remaining 75% is at risk if they don’t complete the season.
Worse still RL have 99% of their season to complete which will take months to do. And to compound matters, they have contracts that guarantee a minimum rest time between seasons so if this current season over runs badly then the start of the 2021 season may get delayed - this presents a financial double whammy for NRL at risk of reduced revenue from this disrupted season and a knock on effect in to next season if the season start is significantly delayed.
So there is every imperative for NRL to start up quickly, even though they’re taking a huge gamble in doing so. Get it wrong and NRL 2020 may just get cancelled altogether.
The HAL is effectively in “close season” right now; it looks like players will be brought back up to fitness in July, complete the 2020 season in August, have a one-month pre-season in September, and start the new season in October.
That’s a pretty eloquent solution and looks to be one that has the lowest risk to the game as a whole, the clubs, and individual players.
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+x+x+x+xThe A-League needs to start ASAP! The rugby league are starting back this month and our season started before theres!?! A-league should start before the league and finish before them earlier. Not good enough FFA!! What if ASAP is August? If the rugby league can start before then then there is NO reason why the A-League can't too. Not good enough FFA!! Bundesliga given approval to restart in 10 days time.
There’s a huge “so what” to that though. I’ll repeat part of my earlier post on this topic:
“The HAL is effectively in “close season” right now; it looks like players will be brought back up to fitness in July, complete the 2020 season in August, have a one-month pre-season in September, and start the new season in October.
That’s a pretty eloquent solution and looks to be one that has the lowest risk to the game as a whole, the clubs, and individual players”.
The HAL looks to have selected a reasonable course of action given that there is no perfect answer in what us an unprecedented crisis. What the Bundesliga, EPL or even NRL have done has no bearing on what the best approach for the HAL is.
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+x+x+x+x+xThe A-League needs to start ASAP! The rugby league are starting back this month and our season started before theres!?! A-league should start before the league and finish before them earlier. Not good enough FFA!! What if ASAP is August? If the rugby league can start before then then there is NO reason why the A-League can't too. Not good enough FFA!! Bundesliga given approval to restart in 10 days time.
There’s a huge “so what” to that though. I’ll repeat part of my earlier post on this topic:
“The HAL is effectively in “close season” right now; it looks like players will be brought back up to fitness in July, complete the 2020 season in August, have a one-month pre-season in September, and start the new season in October.
That’s a pretty eloquent solution and looks to be one that has the lowest risk to the game as a whole, the clubs, and individual players”.
The HAL looks to have selected a reasonable course of action given that there is no perfect answer in what us an unprecedented crisis. What the Bundesliga, EPL or even NRL have done has no bearing on what the best approach for the HAL is. As long as players loss of income and mental health, and the engagement of fans is not an issue then it doesn’t really matter when they start, I suppose. You don’t see any issues with the league getting ready for next season, signing players etc in a four week offseason window? Seems like a sure way to bugger up next season as well as this one.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThe A-League needs to start ASAP! The rugby league are starting back this month and our season started before theres!?! A-league should start before the league and finish before them earlier. Not good enough FFA!! What if ASAP is August? If the rugby league can start before then then there is NO reason why the A-League can't too. Not good enough FFA!! Bundesliga given approval to restart in 10 days time.
There’s a huge “so what” to that though. I’ll repeat part of my earlier post on this topic:
“The HAL is effectively in “close season” right now; it looks like players will be brought back up to fitness in July, complete the 2020 season in August, have a one-month pre-season in September, and start the new season in October.
That’s a pretty eloquent solution and looks to be one that has the lowest risk to the game as a whole, the clubs, and individual players”.
The HAL looks to have selected a reasonable course of action given that there is no perfect answer in what us an unprecedented crisis. What the Bundesliga, EPL or even NRL have done has no bearing on what the best approach for the HAL is. As long as players loss of income and mental health, and the engagement of fans is not an issue then it doesn’t really matter when they start, I suppose. You don’t see any issues with the league getting ready for next season, signing players etc in a four week offseason window? Seems like a sure way to bugger up next season as well as this one. I can see lots of problems with starting the season in August, I can also see lots of problems with starting the season at the end of this month as the NRL are trying to do.
There is no easy solution to this.
And saying the A League should start back when the NRL and Bundesliga start back us as helpful as saying the A-League should be called off entirely because that’s what the Dutch and French have done.
I hope the FFA and clubs have evaluated all the options and have selected not “the best” but the “least worst” amongst all the options, and certainly an option that balances all the potential risks. If that is an August competition then everyone is just going to have to work around it.
There is nothing normal in life at the moment and football shouldn’t try and pretend it’s an exception.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe A-League needs to start ASAP! The rugby league are starting back this month and our season started before theres!?! A-league should start before the league and finish before them earlier. Not good enough FFA!! What if ASAP is August? If the rugby league can start before then then there is NO reason why the A-League can't too. Not good enough FFA!! Bundesliga given approval to restart in 10 days time.
There’s a huge “so what” to that though. I’ll repeat part of my earlier post on this topic:
“The HAL is effectively in “close season” right now; it looks like players will be brought back up to fitness in July, complete the 2020 season in August, have a one-month pre-season in September, and start the new season in October.
That’s a pretty eloquent solution and looks to be one that has the lowest risk to the game as a whole, the clubs, and individual players”.
The HAL looks to have selected a reasonable course of action given that there is no perfect answer in what us an unprecedented crisis. What the Bundesliga, EPL or even NRL have done has no bearing on what the best approach for the HAL is. As long as players loss of income and mental health, and the engagement of fans is not an issue then it doesn’t really matter when they start, I suppose. You don’t see any issues with the league getting ready for next season, signing players etc in a four week offseason window? Seems like a sure way to bugger up next season as well as this one. I can see lots of problems with starting the season in August, I can also see lots of problems with starting the season at the end of this month as the NRL are trying to do.
There is no easy solution to this.
And saying the A League should start back when the NRL and Bundesliga start back us as helpful as saying the A-League should be called off entirely because that’s what the Dutch and French have done.
I hope the FFA and clubs have evaluated all the options and have selected not “the best” but the “least worst” amongst all the options, and certainly an option that balances all the potential risks. If that is an August competition then everyone is just going to have to work around it.
There is nothing normal in life at the moment and football shouldn’t try and pretend it’s an exception. I have never said the ALeague should start when other codes start. Just as I never said it should have stopped playing when other codes stopped. What I would like to know, as I’m sure players would like to know, is why the FFA doesn’t think it’s possible (or sensible) to start before August. If they have a plan and a logical rationale (even if it is quite different to other codes) let’s hear it. Even pubs, restaurants and cafes are making plans to open earlier than August.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe A-League needs to start ASAP! The rugby league are starting back this month and our season started before theres!?! A-league should start before the league and finish before them earlier. Not good enough FFA!! What if ASAP is August? If the rugby league can start before then then there is NO reason why the A-League can't too. Not good enough FFA!! Bundesliga given approval to restart in 10 days time.
There’s a huge “so what” to that though. I’ll repeat part of my earlier post on this topic:
“The HAL is effectively in “close season” right now; it looks like players will be brought back up to fitness in July, complete the 2020 season in August, have a one-month pre-season in September, and start the new season in October.
That’s a pretty eloquent solution and looks to be one that has the lowest risk to the game as a whole, the clubs, and individual players”.
The HAL looks to have selected a reasonable course of action given that there is no perfect answer in what us an unprecedented crisis. What the Bundesliga, EPL or even NRL have done has no bearing on what the best approach for the HAL is. As long as players loss of income and mental health, and the engagement of fans is not an issue then it doesn’t really matter when they start, I suppose. You don’t see any issues with the league getting ready for next season, signing players etc in a four week offseason window? Seems like a sure way to bugger up next season as well as this one. I can see lots of problems with starting the season in August, I can also see lots of problems with starting the season at the end of this month as the NRL are trying to do.
There is no easy solution to this.
And saying the A League should start back when the NRL and Bundesliga start back us as helpful as saying the A-League should be called off entirely because that’s what the Dutch and French have done.
I hope the FFA and clubs have evaluated all the options and have selected not “the best” but the “least worst” amongst all the options, and certainly an option that balances all the potential risks. If that is an August competition then everyone is just going to have to work around it.
There is nothing normal in life at the moment and football shouldn’t try and pretend it’s an exception. I have never said the ALeague should start when other codes start. Just as I never said it should have stopped playing when other codes stopped. What I would like to know, as I’m sure players would like to know, is why the FFA doesn’t think it’s possible (or sensible) to start before August. If they have a plan and a logical rationale (even if it is quite different to other codes) let’s hear it. Even pubs, restaurants and cafes are making plans to open earlier than August. It will be because that is when Foxtel wants the comp to start and finish..
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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/rugby/tv-rights-optus-fox-sports-switch-off-interest-in-rugby-as-code-faces-insolvency/news-story/3e29e0d13a8cdcf60ef7c52b2f3adc15Jamie Pandaram, The Daily Telegraph
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So ONE week before the Bundesliga is due to restart, Dynamo Dresden are forced to put their entire squad in to TWO weeks isolation and won’t be able to train or play.
Absolute muppets. The Germans are normally better than this.
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+xSo ONE week before the Bundesliga is due to restart, Dynamo Dresden are forced to put their entire squad in to TWO weeks isolation and won’t be able to train or play.
Absolute muppets. The Germans are normally better than this. Yeah, fancy having a plan where you test everyone so you know exactly who has the virus and are able to deal with it. The alternative is to not test every player, and just hope that at some time in the distant future no player has the virus? What a coincidence that of all teams, the team least likely to benefit from a restart has to go into quarantine ....just saying
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+x+xSo ONE week before the Bundesliga is due to restart, Dynamo Dresden are forced to put their entire squad in to TWO weeks isolation and won’t be able to train or play.
Absolute muppets. The Germans are normally better than this. Yeah, fancy having a plan where you test everyone so you know exactly who has the virus and are able to deal with it. The alternative is to not test every player, and just hope that at some time in the distant future no player has the virus? What a coincidence that of all teams, the team least likely to benefit from a restart has to go into quarantine ....just saying There’s no doubt the teams threatened with relegation have the most objections to restarts - I guess losing regularly makes a team quite fearful ..... probably the same in the Mariners and Victory camps right now 😁
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+x+x+xSo ONE week before the Bundesliga is due to restart, Dynamo Dresden are forced to put their entire squad in to TWO weeks isolation and won’t be able to train or play.
Absolute muppets. The Germans are normally better than this. Yeah, fancy having a plan where you test everyone so you know exactly who has the virus and are able to deal with it. The alternative is to not test every player, and just hope that at some time in the distant future no player has the virus? What a coincidence that of all teams, the team least likely to benefit from a restart has to go into quarantine ....just saying There’s no doubt the teams threatened with relegation have the most objections to restarts - I guess losing regularly makes a team quite fearful ..... probably the same in the Mariners and Victory camps right now 😁 I suspect that’s why Chairman Dan refuses to open up Victoria. 😄
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Very good read. I think this bloke gets it. Professional rugby in Australia is probably finished and there won't be a national comp. This line is interesting: "But instead of trying to create the A-League (we’ve failed at both Super Rugby and the NRC), let’s just keep the structure that’s been there all along. " One way or the other, we will have a national football league, even if it has to be semi-pro for a couple of years. Rugby will return to its amateur state leagues. It will effectively fall behind football.
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Victoria will now let sports go back to training with 10 people.Which means the three Victorian HAL teams can start training.
What will they do?
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It's just embarrassing that anyone would suggest Gallop as a saviour for Rugby.Clearly people dont do any background research .They hear a name they have heard of and thats it. If that is how Rugby people think then it explains why they are in a bigger mess than us. Israel Folau must be laughing .Getting paid out of his contract to not play ,by an organisation with no money,while players that are under contract will probably not get paid. FFA would struggle to do that badly.
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+xVictoria will now let sports go back to training with 10 people.Which means the three Victorian HAL teams can start training. What will they do? 2 sets of training. Either at the same time with physical distancing or spaced out. That’s how junior clubs are planning on doing it. Not ideal, but within three weeks it should increase to 20.
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+x+xVictoria will now let sports go back to training with 10 people.Which means the three Victorian HAL teams can start training. What will they do? 2 sets of training. Either at the same time with physical distancing or spaced out. That’s how junior clubs are planning on doing it. Not ideal, but within three weeks it should increase to 20. It's a start and from that the path forward is much clearer .All the sports players can get serious again. Lets hope there are no Covid spikes.
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Auditors refusing to sign off on Rugby Australia's 2019 financial statements until guarantees from World Rugby are forthcoming. Meaning they are of the view that RA is not a going concern as things stand (and are currently trading while insolvent). https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/what-is-revealed-in-rugby-australia-s-2019-financial-results-20200511-p54rmf.html
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Afl already having trouble organising their season I have no problem with a league waiting for August when hopefully things cool down
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+xAfl already having trouble organising their season I have no problem with a league waiting for August when hopefully things cool down yeah good point. I can't see the AFL starting in June like they are hoping. But I have to give them credit for being ambitious. something football in Australia has always lacked unfortunately.
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