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Munrubenmuz - 27 Apr 2020 11:02 PM
scott20won - 27 Apr 2020 8:59 PM

Beg your pardon.  There's only one mob with a chip on their shoulders and that's the bananas north of the border.

How's this for an example of a cringefest.

"We are Queenslanders.

"We're the people that they breed tough, north of the border.

"We're the ones that they knock down, and we get up again."

https://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/blighs-tear-filled-cry-we-are-queenslanders-20110113-19oxt.html






Those are the words of the Oath to Queensland they made us read at school assemblies.





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scott20won - 27 Apr 2020 11:49 PM
Munrubenmuz - 27 Apr 2020 11:02 PM

Those are the words of the Oath to Queensland they made us read at school assemblies.





It’s where the expression Farking Oath comes from. Meaning “yes, I agree (to follow the oath)”
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scott20won - 27 Apr 2020 2:37 PM

Shark Park too dangerous for bottle shop to open on game nights



It's the home of Prime Minister Scott Morrison's beloved Cronulla Sharks rugby league team, and part of the furniture in the Sutherland Shire. But Shark Park has been ruled too dangerous for a bottle shop to open on game nights, in a regulatory battle that ended up in the NSW Civil and Administrative Tribunal.The concerns involve a forthcoming residential and commercial town centre on Woolooware Bay, adjacent to Shark Park, which developer Capital Bluestone describes as "Paradise Found: Our bay comes to life." The attached shopping centre will contain a Dan Murphy's liquor store located about 100 metres from the nearest entrance to the stadium.
Aerial view of the Woolooware Bay Town Centre development, including Shark Park, home of the Cronulla Sharks.
Aerial view of the Woolooware Bay Town Centre development, including Shark Park, home of the Cronulla Sharks.Wolter Peeters
In 2018, NSW Police opposed the licence application, with Sergeant Darrin Thompson saying the store would make it "extremely convenient" for rugby fans to smuggle booze into the stadium - which was already part of a "significant and ongoing" problem with alcohol at Shark Park.The Independent Liquor and Gaming Authority, which regulates liquor licences, decided the store must close for the two hours before and after a first grade rugby game at Shark Park, or any "fight night" boxing match, due to the potential for increased alcohol-related harm.
Dan Murphy's - which is owned by Woolworths - challenged that ruling, and hired a former police commander, Patrick Paroz, to prepare a number of reports on the matter. Mr Paroz said he twice attempted to smuggle store-bought alcohol into Shark Park games and was caught both times, although under cross-examination agreed his beer bottles "had not been well hidden in his bag".Meanwhile, the ILGA engaged social planner Judith Stubbs, who attended a Sharks v. Rabbitohs match at Shark Park in August. Dr Stubbs said she observed people "drinking openly and freely" in the alcohol free zone between Woolooware Station and the stadium, including on the train, in the queue and in the presence of police officers. She said a Dan Murphy's store would "significantly alter" the pre-game environment and increase the incidence of "pre-loading" on booze.Sergeant Thompson, who was on duty for that August match, told the tribunal he witnessed 40 people being refused entry to the nearby Leagues Club after the game, and that about 25 people were ejected from the club, due to intoxication.The ILGA even hired corporate consultant Newgate Australia to survey 150 nearby residents on the impact of street drinking on game nights. About 35 per cent complained of "excessive noise and offensive conduct", including public urination, damage to property and vandalism of cars.In its decision last week, the Civil and Administrative Tribunal said Mr Paroz's observations about the drinking culture at Shark Park appeared "unduly sanguine", while the police and the ILGA had described scenes that would be "considered typical Australian crowd behaviour at popular sports events". Accordingly, the tribunal upheld that the Dan Murphy's store must be closed 90 minutes before and after any first grade rugby matches at Shark Park.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/shark-park-too-dangerous-for-bottle-shop-to-open-on-game-nights-20200421-p54lvu.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1kOwlRs70cIdY9J9rDBfaEfP7yN14kFiMIERwpQ1CdBtffoXDGjfmBNDU



Surely your reporters can drag up better shit from the old day to publish as post corona press. How about WWII stuff?
In 2018, NSW Police opposed the licence application, with Sergeant Darrin Thompson saying the store would make it "extremely convenient" for rugby fans to smuggle booze into the stadium - which was already part of a "significant and ongoing" problem with alcohol at Shark Park. 

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”With less than a month until the vote for the hosting rights for the 2023 Women's World Cup, Football Federation Australia is seeking certainty around the construction timeline for the ANZ Stadium rebuild, raising the possibility the project could be postponed until after the tournament.”

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/football-wants-clarity-on-stadium-rebuild-for-women-s-world-cup-bid-20200529-p54xu6.html



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scott20won - 30 May 2020 2:50 AM
”With less than a month until the vote for the hosting rights for the 2023 Women's World Cup, Football Federation Australia is seeking certainty around the construction timeline for the ANZ Stadium rebuild, raising the possibility the project could be postponed until after the tournament.”

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/football-wants-clarity-on-stadium-rebuild-for-women-s-world-cup-bid-20200529-p54xu6.html

More games in the AFL oval in Launceston then, no worries. #comeplay
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paladisious - 30 May 2020 5:57 AM
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More games in the AFL oval in Launceston then, no worries. #comeplay

Will larf if FFA host cup, stadium isn’t ready and SFC don’t end up playing at SFS which was a key factor to the stadium not being renovated first. 
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ANZ stadium refurb into a rectangular stadium officially scrapped today. So we basically have no world class large rectangular stadiums in Australia (Suncorp is only 55k and SFS even less). Sucks.
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BOOM !

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-s-ultimatum-four-new-suburban-stadiums-or-grand-final-will-go-20200531-p54y3z.html

The NRL will meet the NSW government this week armed with the threat of moving the grand final away from Sydney if the state doesn't deliver up to four boutique suburban stadiums over the next decade.

With the state government on Saturday dumping plans for the $800 million redevelopment of ANZ Stadium as it deals with the financial fallout of the COVID-19 crisis, NRL powerbrokers are set to demand funds be redirected towards suburban venues as part of a push to regenerate tribalism in rugby league.



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It seems NRL has got the message before the sokkha 
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Munrubenmuz - 31 May 2020 2:54 PM
BOOM !

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-s-ultimatum-four-new-suburban-stadiums-or-grand-final-will-go-20200531-p54y3z.html

The NRL will meet the NSW government this week armed with the threat of moving the grand final away from Sydney if the state doesn't deliver up to four boutique suburban stadiums over the next decade.

With the state government on Saturday dumping plans for the $800 million redevelopment of ANZ Stadium as it deals with the financial fallout of the COVID-19 crisis, NRL powerbrokers are set to demand funds be redirected towards suburban venues as part of a push to regenerate tribalism in rugby league.



Time to enter into some joint ventures.

A far better way to spend the money.  Not that the govt intends spending it.  Which is fair enough in the current situation.
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CS - 31 May 2020 3:05 PM
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A far better way to spend the money.  Not that the govt intends spending it.  Which is fair enough in the current situation.

Have to say I've been to Brookvale, Kogarah, Leichardt, Redfern back in the day and they shit all over anything played in a giant cavernous stadium 1/8th full. 


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“Manly, Campbelltown, Penrith and Sydney's south have been earmarked as primary targets,


A stadium in Sydney's south would cater for the Dragons, Sharks and potentially Canterbury, who also have the option of playing out of Bankwest Stadium. South Sydney would have the option of playing matches alongside the Sydney Roosters out of the new stadium at Moore Park, or moving games out west to Bankwest Stadium with the Parramatta Eels.

The Wests Tigers would play the majority of their games out of a new Campbelltown Stadium, which will also host new A-League club Macarthur FC.”

so Southern Expansion could make a comeback or Sydney Olympic



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“The Penrith Panthers and Manly Sea Eagles would also have a new stadium to play out of. The governing body would much prefer fans being locked out of games than empty grandstands, hence the desire for boutique grounds to cater for crowds of around 15,000.

The strategy will be music to the ears of Nine Entertainment Co chief executive Hugh Marks, who has pushed for the prioritisation of the game's tribalism as he mulls over a potential broadcast rights extension with the NRL after the 2022 season.

ANZ Stadium would still be used as the code's major events facility, hosting State of Origin games, blockbuster Sydney finals and the grand final.

The strategy represents a significant change of tack. Just a few years back, the NRL adopted a 'build it and they will come' mentality in regards to major stadiums and turned a blind eye to suburban grounds.”

yep. Buy a season ticket or shut up.


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Would be a good outcome for a potential second division. Teams from Penrith, Manly and Sutherland could then play out of modern boutique grounds. The only possible issue is the way that NRL fans fetishise the cavernous grass hills of the old suburban grounds, which are actually death for a good atmosphere.

And football has no real need for an upgraded Olympic Stadium. Only games with crowds of 50-60k+ would need to play there, and once you have that many people in it's not such a bad atmosphere.

But the way the NRL is throwing their toys out of the pram after the state govt has committed to building two brand new stadiums in Parramatta and Moore Park is completely nauseating.
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df1982 - 31 May 2020 6:19 PM
Would be a good outcome for a potential second division. Teams from Penrith, Manly and Sutherland could then play out of modern boutique grounds. The only possible issue is the way that NRL fans fetishise the cavernous grass hills of the old suburban grounds, which are actually death for a good atmosphere.

And football has no real need for an upgraded Olympic Stadium. Only games with crowds of 50-60k+ would need to play there, and once you have that many people in it's not such a bad atmosphere.

But the way the NRL is throwing their toys out of the pram after the state govt has committed to building two brand new stadiums in Parramatta and Moore Park is completely nauseating.

Both the gov and NRL have the new Parra stadium to go off. That model may be more expensive than the Wigan/Huddersfield style where football plays also.

but the text says cater to 15k and doesn’t state if it would be all seating.
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this is a pic of where my team used to play. 2 stands, 1 family section which was small under an office block and open scaffolding stand.

Technically it may have been a hill, it was standing for the most part. Because the other 3 stands where built in the sound boomed. Even with a small crowd. You could just put up a net like football or nfl in front of office stand. We also had standing from halfway on one stand, which could be safe standing.

I wouldn’t expect NSW to ever build in this style though.




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Standing areas are great - don't get me wrong. But grass hills are much less conducive to that than concrete steps. Also, most stadium authorities (in NSW at least) do not allow active support on grass hills, out of spurious safety reasons.
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There's something not right about using tax payers money to continually build stadiums for profit making sports.Particularly those turning over a hundreds million dollars a year.
There needs to be a new model.
Let private businesses own and operate stadiums.Let the sports own stadiums.
Governments can own the one big multipurpose stadium in each state.But the amount of public money being spent endlessly on sports stadiums has to stop.




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crimsoncrusoe - 31 May 2020 9:10 PM
There's something not right about using tax payers money to continually build stadiums for profit making sports.Particularly those turning over a hundreds million dollars a year.
There needs to be a new model.
Let private businesses own and operate stadiums.Let the sports own stadiums.
Governments can own the one big multipurpose stadium in each state.But the amount of public money being spent endlessly on sports stadiums has to stop.




I think in this respect Australia is unique. Because in Europe the state/regions/counties are much smaller. That means they or city councils invest in stadiums for their locations. 

Its not fair that Brisbane, GC and Townsville councils are gifted stadiums by the state government but Ipswich, Moreton and Logan aren’t. I think even Dolphins was from federal money.

It would be great if Hobart council or Ballarat or the local Coffs council owned stadiums. There is however no incentive with Australia having closed leagues. 
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This is honestly pretty disappointing. When the stadium nonsense kicked off years ago, the main point was that Homebush was a dump for rectangular sport and needed to be rebuilt or redeveloped into a rectangular-only stadium for premium events. Alan Jones and the SCG trust have completely muddied the waters during all this and now their stadium gets an undeserved upgrade instead.

At least for Football, there was a pretty good argument that Homebush has effectively functioned as a quasi-national stadium thanks to it getting all the biggest football games in the country and thus it should at least reflect that in design to increase ticket demand. Fans would grumble (slightly) less about having to travel to Sydney and buy premium tickets for a big game like a must-win WCQ if the stadium being crap was no longer an issue.

If the money gets redirected into smaller stadiums, well thats a decent enough opportunity for Football in Sydney but it doesn't do anything to fix the original issue. 

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CS - 31 May 2020 3:05 PM
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A far better way to spend the money.  Not that the govt intends spending it.  Which is fair enough in the current situation.

people have short memories.  especially on this site.

We may like the idea of these local grounds, but the reality is that they cater for one team only, are usually only half full, are open for about 20 weeks of the year, continue to fall apart, and lose money year after year after year.  

that's the whole reason the NSW govt decided to rebuild parra, sfs and anz - cos it couldn't keep propping up all the suburban stadiums.  

also ----- I don't like anz, but if that stadium doesn't get rebuilt, Sydney is without a world class stadium.  it means the biggest ground we have is 30k parra.  say goodbye to socceroos matches, bledisloe, origin, exhibition matches etc etc etc.
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CS - 31 May 2020 3:05 PM

people have short memories.  especially on this site.

We may like the idea of these local grounds, but the reality is that they cater for one team only, are usually only half full, are open for about 20 weeks of the year, continue to fall apart, and lose money year after year after year.  

that's the whole reason the NSW govt decided to rebuild parra, sfs and anz - cos it couldn't keep propping up all the suburban stadiums.  

also ----- I don't like anz, but if that stadium doesn't get rebuilt, Sydney is without a world class stadium.  it means the biggest ground we have is 30k parra.  say goodbye to socceroos matches, bledisloe, origin, exhibition matches etc etc etc.

Not really, it is still an 80k stadium that is fine when it is full. And given that is only a handful of games for us, it isn't really a problem. Pretty big problem for the NRL though given most games are somewhere between 10 and 20k. Having renovated stadiums for WSW and SFS is still probably the best outcome for football.

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The NRL are right in the governments face now and looking for options for their sport. Where is the FFA in all this? Perhaps in 20 months they might say something. 

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paulc - 1 Jun 2020 9:01 AM
The NRL are right in the governments face now and looking for options for their sport. Where is the FFA in all this? Perhaps in 20 months they might say something. 

Very NFL thing to do, demand stadiums or they leave the city. 

However it is extremely bad political capital is Glady's saves a shit ton of money on not upgrading or whatever the Olympic Stadium & then gives those saving to the NRL.  The NRL is fucking dreaming if they think they can play that game.  

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Still frustrating the SCG hijacked the common sense approach that should’ve occurred in this shit show.
SFS didn’t need the capacity any more than 30-35k max. None of their tenants test that at the best of times.

I can’t see them getting the suburban upgrades unless they jump into bed with AL teams.
Campbelltown is probably best positioned in the instance and Manly will try and entice Charlesworth to secure funding. 
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aussie pride - 1 Jun 2020 11:46 AM
Still frustrating the SCG hijacked the common sense approach that should’ve occurred in this shit show.
SFS didn’t need the capacity any more than 30-35k max. None of their tenants test that at the best of times.

I can’t see them getting the suburban upgrades unless they jump into bed with AL teams.
Campbelltown is probably best positioned in the instance and Manly will try and entice Charlesworth to secure funding

They'll get a new oven in the place that sells meat pies on site at Brookvale. It's all he would be prepared to spend.  :hehe:

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If these smaller stadiums are built, it could backfire on football. it will discourage clubs from building football specific stadiums. 

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Feed_The_Brox - 1 Jun 2020 1:14 PM
If these smaller stadiums are built, it could backfire on football. it will discourage clubs from building football specific stadiums. 

I don't think smaller football specific stadiums are feasible where there is any element of government funding involved.

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ErogenousZone - 1 Jun 2020 11:53 AM
aussie pride - 1 Jun 2020 11:46 AM

They'll get a new oven in the place that sells meat pies on site at Brookvale. It's all he would be prepared to spend.  :hehe:

Haha.
I more mean two tenants are Brookvale has a much stronger case for state funding than the one winter tenant at the moment.
They can even play the women’s card with W League to upgrade change rooms and stuff like that.
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Feed_The_Brox - 1 Jun 2020 1:14 PM
If these smaller stadiums are built, it could backfire on football. it will discourage clubs from building football specific stadiums. 

If football clubs can work in harmoniously with councils and RL clubs it can be a win win scenario with existing infrastructure.
Macarthur’s deal with the council to rent Campbelltown is a great demonstration on how it can be done and basically financially secure a teams long term future by getting such a deal.
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