Another good video exposing the bullshit BLM organisation. The link is below. 

https://m.facebook.com/thehodgetwins/videos/676224299590951/?vh=e

The far Left are very good at coining names that ostensibly make it seem like they are fighting for good causes, names like Black Lives Matter and Antifa, which are impossible to argue with on a moral level.  Hiding their true intentions which is hellbent on socialism and overthrowing the system, starting with police.  I recall Hitler doing a similar thing, branding his party a “socialist” party, to appeal to the foolish masses.

Agreed. I just can't understand how people can be so blinded by what's really happening around them. 

You would have to be one brainless fool to watch that clip, and somehow disagree with it. 

I've spent a lot of time here and in other places reading diverse opinions and trying to understand why ignorant opinions exist. What I've discovered is a pretty depressing look at human nature but I live in hope.
I live in hope because these movements are at first derided and attacked but eventually they prevail. It's a multi-generational struggle. The fact that these things are making progress with such awful regressive governments in power is not a coincidence.

Ignorant opinions exist because most people dont realise they are ignorant.  Like you Mcjules, an ignorant person who thinks because he supports a few nuffy causes like BLM and reads lots of “diverse opinions” that he is wise and enlightened.  Those movements were successful because fought for legitimate causes and won mainstream support, movements like; emancipation from slaves, women’s suffrage, black civil rights, gay rights.  Now they fight for non binary toilet blocks and defunding police departments, no wonder the “awful regressive governments” are in charge.

So what you're telling me is that after watching that short 10 minute clip, you somehow find a way to disagree with what's being said in it right?

Personally I think 9 out of every 10 people would watch that clip and agree with everything said in it 100%. For the other 1 in 10 people I think they're that far left, there's nothing you could do to help, just like those so far out on the right. 

It's full of whataboutism, almost no one disagrees that there are police kill a proportion of white people needlessly too. The statistics though tell a very different story to what the video does. I can't change your mind on any of it though, you've found your safe space in conservative social media where there are voices that support your point of view. 

I'm sorry but even the statistics don't back up your claim. The statistics on last year were 9 unarmed black people killed by police vs 19 unarmed white people killed by police. 

So I don't know what statistics you're talking about. 

But what's the percentage of black people in total, and white people in total? That's your true answer.

Eh, Rusty.. it's a legitimate cause.
How it's being acted upon, well... that's an entirely different matter.

Exactly.

Obviously there's more whites than blacks, but this debate can go both ways when you count how many blacks have killed blacks, as opposed to whites killing whites, even though there's more whites. 

You shouldn't be questioning people who come out with evidence to fuck up your shit argument. 

I'm telling you if you listen to the full 10 minutes in that clip, and you somehow find a way to disagree, I have no words for you that'll change your mind.

I have no argument over the matter, I just point out flaws on both sides. I am literally Switzerland, I am wearing red pants

No it isn’t a legitimate cause.  There’s no systemic racism, white supremacy is virtually non existence and this concept of cops killing blacks indiscriminately is untrue.  I refer you to a study by Yale in 2016 whose lead author is African American, who wrote in regards to police shootings:

“The only statistically significant differences by race demonstrate that black officers are more likely to shoot unarmed whites, relative to white officers.”

Just because lots of tools are out prancing on the streets writing platitudes on placards doesn’t give the issue intellectual legitimacy.  There are legitimate issues within the black community, racism and stereotyping being relevant, however there are far more significant issues like poor academic performance performance, low graduation rates, single parent households, gang culture etc.  The left likes to pretend that racism is the root of all of these issues and that if you weed out racism that the black community will magically thrive.  Fathers will rejoin their families, gangs will put down the guns and pick up the library books, school kids will go from scoring D’s to A’s.

These utopian ideals, although cute and childish, do not reflect reality.  Look at Indigenous in Australia, they have land rights, generous welfare benefits, free housing, free higher education, a grovelling apology from ex PM Rudd, and they are madder than ever.  The left has failed blacks big time, but it’s easier to blame imaginary systemic racism than admit they were wrong and their programs failed.  You will never find a leftist who will admit they were wrong.

So you can’t tell me that BLM, who falsely and egregiously exaggerate the role of police in killing blacks, and that the solution is to defund police departments and end systemic racism, is a legitimate cause.  Like the #metoo movement it will eventually run out of steam and replaced by whatever new fashionable cause replaces it.  Next time it will be vegans, then transvestites, then non binaries, than disabled folk, then obese people etc.  

Or r/AHS (short for Against Hate Subreddits) on reddit, whose moderators create burner accounts to post overtly racist comments or even child porn on subs they disagree with in order to have them shut down. 

That just proves you're due for your Specsavers appointment.

As I said, the way it's being acted upon is an entirely different matter that I'm not getting involved in. But the reason behind it is still a legitimate cause.

No it isn’t a legitimate cause.  There’s no systemic racism, white supremacy is virtually non existence and this concept of cops killing blacks indiscriminately is untrue.  I refer you to a study by Yale in 2016 whose lead author is African American, who wrote in regards to police shootings:

“The only statistically significant differences by race demonstrate that black officers are more likely to shoot unarmed whites, relative to white officers.”

Just because lots of tools are out prancing on the streets writing platitudes on placards doesn’t give the issue intellectual legitimacy.  There are legitimate issues within the black community, racism and stereotyping being relevant, however there are far more significant issues like poor academic performance performance, low graduation rates, single parent households, gang culture etc.  The left likes to pretend that racism is the root of all of these issues and that if you weed out racism that the black community will magically thrive.  Fathers will rejoin their families, gangs will put down the guns and pick up the library books, school kids will go from scoring D’s to A’s.

These utopian ideals, although cute and childish, do not reflect reality.  Look at Indigenous in Australia, they have land rights, generous welfare benefits, free housing, free higher education, a grovelling apology from ex PM Rudd, and they are madder than ever.  The left has failed blacks big time, but it’s easier to blame imaginary systemic racism than admit they were wrong and their programs failed.  You will never find a leftist who will admit they were wrong.

So you can’t tell me that BLM, who falsely and egregiously exaggerate the role of police in killing blacks, and that the solution is to defund police departments and end systemic racism, is a legitimate cause.  Like the #metoo movement it will eventually run out of steam and replaced by whatever new fashionable cause replaces it.  Next time it will be vegans, then transvestites, then non binaries, than disabled folk, then obese people etc.  

Well done, you learnt to copy-paste

There are about 8 police forces in Australia.  In the US there are more than 18000.

'Defunding the police' doesn't mean getting rid of the police force in totality it means employing other more suitable people for various call outs.  IE:  A pyschologist might go out to a domestic with a police officer rather than the SWAT team arriving.  

Nobody is calling for the police in America to stop being a thing. 

It would help if you read a little bit about what you bang on about instead of parroting alt right talking points and regurgitating Fox News garbage. 

I watched the clip and yes white people get killed by police.  Yes the media don't make a big deal out of it like the George Floyd thing but not living in America I can't say that with any authority because I wasn't there when that shit went down.

As for the rest of it there is plenty you can disagree with and only a close minded bigot would not listen to what they're saying about black incarceration and not question why are blacks more likely to be locked up.

It is well known in America that black people are sentenced more heavily, are less likely to make bail, are more likely to be stopped randomly on the street and in traffic stops.  If you don't think all those things, and many more, aren't a contributing factor then 'I have no words for you that'll change your mind'.

As for the 'black people don't get shot more often than white people' the devil is in the details.  In this case the mathematics.  Now I know this is difficult because you have to concentrate but if you can manage to engage your cerebral cortex read this.  https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/11/opinion/statistical-paradox-police-killings/

And if that doesn't help.  Pick any one of the sub headings from this article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/opinions/systemic-racism-police-evidence-criminal-justice-system/

• Policing and profiling
• Misdemeanors, petty crimes and driver’s license suspensions
• The drug war
• Juries and jury selection
• The death penalty
• Prosecutors, discretion and plea bargaining
• Judges and sentencing
• School suspensions and the school-to-prison pipeline
• Prison, incarceration and solitary confinement
• Bail, pretrial detention, commutations and pardons, gangs and other issues
• The dissent — contrarian studies on race and the criminal-justice system

Come back Rus and tell me there's no systemic racism in the US with a straight face.

He writes as if there is actually consensus on what ‘defund the police’ actually means, as if those who attended rallies and held signs knew it wasn’t really about “defunding police”, rather about sending in psychologists to hold hands with 
police officers rather than the SWAT team arriving.😂. And the best part is he was serious. 😂

I have a “friend” from NZ who’s very involved in the scene(donated to BLM etc) can confirm she wants the whole police force gone, very anti-capitalist too

like many protests there’s a whole bunch of people there with different agenda’s. For me the protests were about police brutality against blacks, for her it’s anti capitalist, anti-police, socialism, anti-colonialism(w.e that means) etc etc.

100% agree with you, I've never said there isn't flaws on both sides. 

All I'm saying is that the mainstream media love to divide a nation, and BLM organisers are no different. 

We won't get anywhere in life by having such group, and having the media only repeat and focus on stories that suit their agenda to divide the nation. 

I think the clip I showed can do more for every life, especially black people themselves if they turn away from such organisations. 

As an example if over the course of 1 year, you have 10 separate incidents where police acted in a disgusting manner and killed 10 different people, this doesn't make all cops bad just because mainstream media didn't bother telling the public about the 50,000 good stories where the police saved people's life in that same time frame. 

Unfortunately that's what's happening. 1 bad apple in 20 dominates the headlines, and therefore creates a huge divide because of the media, and corrupt organisations. 

No white supremacism LOL

Rusty, my liver cannot handle so much.

-PB

Can't speak for your friend but most people who do genuinely want the police force gone is because in their view its role as a lot more concerned in protecting capital and therefore the power in balance and not so much people. Whether that means that there should be nothing in its place is debatable.
I don't personally subscribe to that view but when you see pictures of a dozen cops protecting a Cook statue, its hard for me to say there isn't some truth to it.

Ive just spoken to Guiness World Records and they confirm that cops protecting public property somehow infers that they are more concerned with protecting capital is a candidate for the LOOONGEST bow ever drawn.

Watch this space...

There are white supremacists, but hardly any.  I guess it depends how you define it though, if it’s the traditional definition which is people who believe in race theory and idolise Hitler, or if it’s the neo definition who watches Sky/Fox news, votes Liberal and likes to drink beer on the weekend.

If it’s the latter then yes there is systemic racism and our PM is a white supremacist.

Did read somewhere about 'defunding the police' where the mayor of some town completely sacked the entire force and restarted with a new one.  Her rationale was that rather than try and change a culture with a systemic problem it was easier to start from scratch and hire people that suited the new role and culture they were trying to establish.

Something like that may have be worth considering. 

I'm glad you agree that there's no consensus which is why you look like such a retarded idiot when you try and lump everybody protesting or anyone who is concerned about wanting societal/cultural change into the one basket.