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Fvck these cvnts are frustrating to watch. Not only are they failing to contain this side, they are actuallyhelping them with fvcking dumb mistakes. Pay needs to show them heneans business abd start sidelining some of these numbskulls.
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ODF - 15 Jun 2020 8:29 PM
Fvck these cvnts are frustrating to watch. Not only are they failing to contain this side, they are actuallyhelping them with fvcking dumb mistakes. Pay needs to show them heneans business abd start sidelining some of these numbskulls.

He’ll pick the same 17 for next week... it’s why he should not be our 1st grade coach next year 
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Look what happens when someone runs up in support..... We score a farking try

Hoppa in support, with Foran in support..... TRY
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Marki - 15 Jun 2020 7:54 PM
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That adjudication was correct.
It's the variation in set restarts that's inconsistent.
But its not hard to see that the team that looks like they want to play the ball quickly and moving like an avalanche will plant a psychological seed in the refs mind that they are being held back.

It's why I always thought this rule will negatively affect us more than any other team. Our team looks lethargic by hitting up 1 out with no urgency. We make the ref feel like we WANT the game and the ruck slowed down. 

Roosters are just on-song. They would beat just about anyone in this kind of mood. 

Your only hope to get to them is to post points when you get the chance. We had a myriad of  chances and were just waiting for our 5th tackle cross kick or an error in defence. 

Last weeks effort of running with numbers is a distant memory. We have gone back to our crap gamestyle already. 

It might be some of that, but really, honestly... there is a significant amount of unconscious bias on display tonight in the ruck... 
Teddys hat trick off an ‘error’ that should’ve been our penalty...
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I know Lynne reads this page... get some clever dick to build a report on the extra .2 of a second the roosters get in the ruck on both sides of the ball...
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YesVilli I finally concede Pay gas bern given enough time to do what he could with this side, buthe doesn't even seem to be choosing them in the best position possible. Wr still have a small fullback playing wing and is getting monstered by the opposition nearly every week
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I'm not suggesting it's biased against us but there is an enormous inconsistency in the application of the 6 again calls.  I would like to see a detailed analysis of its use.  I get the feeling it is being used more early in the tackle count.  Maybe the refs are conscious of the impact it can have.
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Villi - 15 Jun 2020 8:26 PM
The newsreader and Averillo should never EVER play together again....

Averillo is the only player looking likely to make a break and has had shite service from Superstar Lewis.
Lewis has badly read defence all night and absolutely cruelled the left side attack.
He started the debacle from a  rushing out tackle  and then dropped the ball on our first tackle.

Give me Jake over Lachie any time.


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The problem with the six again Mdog is that it's left to the disgression of the ref. As I have said previously, some use it, some abuse it and some refuse it, or a combination thereof. Like tonight he was pinging us pretty quickly for slowing the play but seemed to let the rorters wrestle and linger for a lot longer than we were given.
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Having said that we cannot use that as an excuse. We were totally outplayed and both the team and the coach should be held accountable.
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Villi - 15 Jun 2020 8:13 PM
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Question.... why don’t we have a single player pushing up in support?

Probably becuase the petrol tanks were empty from too much defence.
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hounddog - 15 Jun 2020 8:52 PM
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Probably becuase the petrol tanks were empty from too much defence.

Garbage....

How many times did not only Tedesco follow up in support, but B Moz, Radley, Keary all around the bloody ball

we had plenty of ball in the 2nd half
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ODF - 15 Jun 2020 8:43 PM
YesVilli I finally concede Pay gas bern given enough time to do what he could with this side, buthe doesn't even seem to be choosing them in the best position possible. Wr still have a small fullback playing wing and is getting monstered by the opposition nearly every week

We all know Pay doesn't have the cream of the crop.  He needs to be judged on how he uses what he's got, are his tactics appropriate and whether individual players are improving under his tutelage. I don't give him a pass mark.  New coach quickly.  The future must start now.
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Like I've been saying for years.....
If you play the way the Roosters play....no matter who is in your team.....you'll find it hard to lose games.

Having a team of top players just makes the team even more devastating. 

The Roosters seem to have high I.Q players all over the park. They not only play to this gameplan, they have players who can adjust their gameplan at split second. This is no doubt a Cronk legacy.

It's scary as to how good they are and I applaud their coach who has the firing on all cylinders. 

Having said that, I'm curious as to how Parra goes against them next week as Parra also plays in numbers with lots of bodies in motion and players who are shy in chancing their arm.  Roosters have more class but I think Parra can make the set restarts work for them. 
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nodster I totally agree and I think Averillo is a star of the future. I can also see Harper going to Manly and killing it, he will be another good young player they let get away and if they don't give Wakeham a shot soon he will tell the Dogs to stick it up their ar$e also.
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Pay just has too look at fixing the left edge defence, maybe try Averillo on the wing and Harper in the centres.

Try Wakeham for Lewis, perhaps put Lewis on the bench. 

Wakeham would play right and force Foran over to the left which might be good.

Our defence up the middle probably missed Tolman.

Apart from that it was mostly just dumb errors.

I'm getting sick of poor passes from Lewis and missed tackles from Napa, did Napa do anything good in attack or defence this game?

Also happy to drop Meaney, the kid is a fullback, defence and wing positional play are not his strength.
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ODF - 15 Jun 2020 8:57 PM
nodster I totally agree and I think Averillo is a star of the future. I can also see Harper going to Manly and killing it, he will be another good young player they let get away and if they don't give Wakeham a shot soon he will tell the Dogs to stick it up their ar$e also.

Averillo really impressive, however he butchered the try to Lewis. 

I'm filthy Harper is leaving. He was good in his short stint today and in a team that has been struggling, to not be given a chance to play enough NRL is sad and poor development from our club. Its ominous he'll do well at Manly with Turbo running off his hip.
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hounddog - 15 Jun 2020 9:02 PM
Pay just has too look at fixing the left edge defence, maybe try Averillo on the wing and Harper in the centres.

Try Wakeham for Lewis, perhaps put Lewis on the bench. 

Wakeham would play right and force Foran over to the left which might be good.

Our defence up the middle probably missed Tolman.

Apart from that it was mostly just dumb errors.

I'm getting sick of poor passes from Lewis and missed tackles from Napa, did Napa do anything good in attack or defence this game?

Also happy to drop Meaney, the kid is a fullback, defence and wing positional play are not his strength.

Is it just me that thought Lewis was good in defence and not the reason for the poor left side?

If anything, all I saw was Meaney and Averillo not being in sync and the guy inside Lewis (Napa or RFM) that was just a tad slow that allowed Keary, Flanagan and Teddy to run to line, drag the left side in and expose Meaney on outside...
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Marki, I don't always agree with Zef but what he said earlier sums it up all so accurately... " that is how a $12 M team should play".
The rorters are a class above everyone else because they have found a loophole to circumvent the system. If they just got rid of the salary cap altogether then we would start to see some good quality games back in the league.
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Marki - 15 Jun 2020 8:56 PM
Like I've been saying for years.....
If you play the way the Roosters play....no matter who is in your team.....you'll find it hard to lose games.

Having a team of top players just makes the team even more devastating. 

The Roosters seem to have high I.Q players all over the park. They not only play to this gameplan, they have players who can adjust their gameplan at split second. This is no doubt a Cronk legacy.

It's scary as to how good they are and I applaud their coach who has the firing on all cylinders. 

Having said that, I'm curious as to how Parra goes against them next week as Parra also plays in numbers with lots of bodies in motion and players who are shy in chancing their arm.  Roosters have more class but I think Parra can make the set restarts work for them. 

Thow $$$$$$$ Teddy and $$$$$$$$$ Keary in our side we probably go better.
They have made some plays but play top $$$$$$$$$ in key positions and it shows.
Foran was good for us only $$$$$$ player.

Nothing to do with playing style a lot if our team are not good enough... 50% of the team are but the duds are dragging them down. Lewis, Napa, Britt, Meaney are some of the duds.
Elliott, Foran, Hoppa and Averillo are the only class players, most of the rest at least try hard.

Good effort in that game, effort wasn't the issue.

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Marki - 15 Jun 2020 9:07 PM
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Is it just me that thought Lewis was good in defence and not the reason for the poor left side?

If anything, all I saw was Meaney and Averillo not being in sync and the guy inside Lewis (Napa or RFM) that was just a tad slow that allowed Keary, Flanagan and Teddy to run to line, drag the left side in and expose Meaney on outside...

The key to good wing play is sometimes allowing the winger to get the ball and run down the sideline and then cram him while your defence numbers up on the inside support players. 

It takes skill and good knowledge of who your opposite number is to show them the line knowing you can nail them over it. 
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Villi - 15 Jun 2020 8:54 PM
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Garbage....

How many times did not only Tedesco follow up in support, but B Moz, Radley, Keary all around the bloody ball

we had plenty of ball in the 2nd half

We had enough ball to at least tie the second half.
Questions remain as to why Wakeham is not considered seeing as we signed him for 2 more years.
Lewis is not a play maker. Big heart but where should he be. Does not like to run the ball. Where should he play? 9?
Averillo looks to be a real star, confident in his ability, a real 5/8. Not much help from the inside.  As a centre he would be better on Foran's side.
DWZ just runs into the defence, the old maori sidestep.
Hoppa is a Gem.

Forwards need Thompson to put a bit of mongrel into the team. Him and Elliott might ignite them.






 

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nodster - 15 Jun 2020 9:13 PM
Villi - 15 Jun 2020 8:54 PM

We had enough ball to at least tie the second half.
Questions remain as to why Wakeham is not considered seeing as we signed him for 2 more years.
Lewis is not a play maker. Big heart but where should he be. Does not like to run the ball. Where should he play? 9?
Averillo looks to be a real star, confident in his ability, a real 5/8. Not much help from the inside.  As a centre he would be better on Foran's side.
DWZ just runs into the defence, the old maori sidestep.
Hoppa is a Gem.

Forwards need Thompson to put a bit of mongrel into the team. Him and Elliott might ignite them.






 

BTW Tolman was missed. No one else cleaned up the middle.

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hounddog - 15 Jun 2020 9:10 PM
Marki - 15 Jun 2020 8:56 PM

Thow $$$$$$$ Teddy and $$$$$$$$$ Keary in our side we probably go better.
They have made some plays but play top $$$$$$$$$ in key positions and it shows.
Foran was good for us only $$$$$$ player.

Nothing to do with playing style a lot if our team are not good enough... 50% of the team are but the duds are dragging them down. Lewis, Napa, Britt, Meaney are some of the duds.
Elliott, Foran, Hoppa and Averillo are the only class players, most of the rest at least try hard.

Good effort in that game, effort wasn't the issue.

It's not a good game to gauge on how we are travelling or whether our new look team performed. Roosters would have smashed most teams tonight. We are both lucky they didnt hit 40 by halftime (should have) but also unlucky we couldnt convert our chances. We had quite afew and more than in other games.

But it certainly shows how these new rules make a mockery of our strategies and playing style in the modern game. 

We cant sit back and cry foul that the rules hinder us. 

I just listened to Trent Robinsons post match review and his response to the new rules is that "it hasn't changed their style and that their style lends itself to playing both sides of ruck and players allowed to do what they like" 

It's literally breaking the shackles.
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hounddog - 15 Jun 2020 9:02 PM

Is it just me that thought Lewis was good in defence and not the reason for the poor left side?

If anything, all I saw was Meaney and Averillo not being in sync and the guy inside Lewis (Napa or RFM) that was just a tad slow that allowed Keary, Flanagan and Teddy to run to line, drag the left side in and expose Meaney on outside...

Lewis has good defensive technique but makes abysmal decisions, he puts young Averillo and Meaney under pressure.

I feel sorry for Averillo, Lewis regularly gave him a 3 on 2 and Meaney rarely manages to tackle anyone.

So yes on occasions Averillo didn't manage to tackle 3 blokes, one of them being Teddy.

The rot always starts in the middle our starting props were like under 15s playing grown men.
Sue at least runs hard in attack, defensively he is no better than Napa.

Backrowers get sucked into helping in the middle, not 100% sure. But I don't remember any authoritative tackles from our props.
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nodster - 15 Jun 2020 9:17 PM
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BTW Tolman was missed. No one else cleaned up the middle.

We went murdered in the middle....
We were murdered on the fringes.
Tolman would made diddly squat other than prevent us scoring the 6 points we did.
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Marki - 15 Jun 2020 9:18 PM
hounddog - 15 Jun 2020 9:10 PM

It's not a good game to gauge on how we are travelling or whether our new look team performed. Roosters would have smashed most teams tonight. We are both lucky they didnt hit 40 by halftime (should have) but also unlucky we couldnt convert our chances. We had quite afew and more than in other games.

But it certainly shows how these new rules make a mockery of our strategies and playing style in the modern game. 

We cant sit back and cry foul that the rules hinder us. 

I just listened to Trent Robinsons post match review and his response to the new rules is that "it hasn't changed their style and that their style lends itself to playing both sides of ruck and players allowed to do what they like" 

It's literally breaking the shackles.

No problem with the rules, we played well in attack in patches...

Some of the defence was well below the standard but the Roosters were red hot. That is what having good spine players does. Foran is great, Hoppa is acceptable, JMK did a few runs but never creates much, Lewis threw some terrible passes.

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Marki - 15 Jun 2020 9:21 PM
nodster - 15 Jun 2020 9:17 PM

We went murdered in the middle....
We were murdered on the fringes.
Tolman would made diddly squat other than prevent us scoring the 6 points we did.

We were murdered up the middle. Which gave them the space on the fringes.

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Marki - 15 Jun 2020 9:21 PM
nodster - 15 Jun 2020 9:17 PM

We went murdered in the middle....
We were murdered on the fringes.
Tolman would made diddly squat other than prevent us scoring the 6 points we did.

Tolman would have made a difference, our defence was overrun.

Tols is great in defence and ordinary in attack, if it was NFL rules, he comes off when we have the ball.

The result is no surprise we are not as bad as the scoreline, some patches of really good attack.
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nodster - 15 Jun 2020 9:24 PM
Marki - 15 Jun 2020 9:21 PM

We were murdered up the middle. Which gave them the space on the fringes.

Marki hasn't played footy .....
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