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- Didn't offer him a professional contract. - Was getting paid 60 bucks a week. - Living away from immediate family. - ran out his contract and took a gamble to go overseas - Turns out he's actually a very good player. - Wait, wasn't he the guy who trained with us for 3 years? - Aarhus where's our 330k? Sorry Brisbane fans but this is bullshit, if they think they are entitled this.
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I hope the club goes hard and gets the maximum they are entitled to under the accepted international rules in these transfer situations. I'm sick of SBS framing most articles about how evil/incompetent/useless Aus clubs are in situations like these and how virtuous players/mangers/foreign clubs are in their dealings with HAL clubs.
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+xAny one agree we should be looking for money for Zac Duncan? i mean we gave him $60 a week ffs.
Anyone elseaelse that this comment earns the "Predictably Smarmy Post of the Day" from nobby?
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I know nothing of international transfer rules or how the youth set up works - but regardless of what we paid him, if the club contributed in a significant way to his development through the expertise of Roar paid coaches and support staff, in a structure with Roar paid admin and management staff, then it is fair that the Roar benefit from whatever the internationally recognised compensation is given for such things. If I want to be a doctor I have to pay my way through medical school do I not? I would line up professional sporting people with that sort of elite program. "In the hands of the judge" is a good enough answer for me.
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+xIf I want to be a doctor I have to pay my way through medical school do I not? I would line up professional sporting people with that sort of elite program. Not a bad analogy, though I doubt your medical school would then claim a six figure fee from the first hospital that employed you?
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+xI know nothing of international transfer rules or how the youth set up works - but regardless of what we paid him, if the club contributed in a significant way to his development through the expertise of Roar paid coaches and support staff, in a structure with Roar paid admin and management staff, then it is fair that the Roar benefit from whatever the internationally recognised compensation is given for such things. If I want to be a doctor I have to pay my way through medical school do I not? I would line up professional sporting people with that sort of elite program. "In the hands of the judge" is a good enough answer for me. The rules Roar are using are designed to compensate clubs that invested in his training. In this case it’s three A League clubs but tomorrow it could be a HAL club, plus an NPL .... what he was paid is irrelevant but sadly the article try’s that angle.
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+xAny one agree we should be looking for money for Zac Duncan? i mean we gave him $60 a week ffs.
So if he had signed from an NPL club who pay most of their players $0 .... they shouldn’t get paid either???
I thought “football fans” were in favour of transfer fees?
This is a well known regulation designed to trickle money down the football eco-system to clubs that develop talent despite having little money - I’m not sure why it’s even in dispute?
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+x+xIf I want to be a doctor I have to pay my way through medical school do I not? I would line up professional sporting people with that sort of elite program. Not a bad analogy, though I doubt your medical school would then claim a six figure fee from the first hospital that employed you? They would if FIFA set the rules 😉
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4th place sucks. It’s like Goldilocks: not high enough to shut up the critics, not low enough to shut up the supporters.
And FMD, probably an ACL place as well .... better check QSAC availability
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe positive thing so far is RF's preparedness to change players and instill with those who have more skill and flair, as moderate as it may have been. Results have been trending in the right direction since. This is what many wanted from the start, with the hope of 1 or 2 really good quality players up front / mid however the acquisitions during the January window have fallen short of being really good, although Scotty Mac is a moderate improvement IMO. The side still looks quite shakey and is not playing to the standard of a top 4 contender. Let's hope the improvements keep coming. Maybe not quite at the top 4 quality yet but i dont think we are far off. in one of the games this weekend a commentator pointed out that the a-league is a transition league. games are won and lost in the transition from defence to attack or the other way around. the teams that have done well and are commended are teams that can break up play quickly and hit on attack quickly and the players that are recruited across the league are players that suit that (think rojas, Kruse, barba, brillante, ect.) generally across the league this is what most teams are trying to do. attack in transition, win the ball back in transition, and at best not get caught out when in defence or with sustained ball possession. some teams (wellington for example) set themselves defensively but still try to attack in transition. this is different from what Fowler is trying to do. our whole game plan is based around attacking in possession and getting back into shape defensively before trying to win the ball. that is why the play has seemed slow, it is because transition is for getting into shape to implement our defensive and attacking strategies. this is quite different for the players, and it has taken them quite some time to pick it up effectively (and for fowler to get the right attacking and defensive strategies/combinations to work against other teams). if it clicks then i think we can be a top 4 team this year, but it is definitely a longer term plan. not one that can be picked up overnight. I get frustrated sitting in the stands listening to people bemoan slowing the play down and keeping possession or playing a backwards pass, that is how they are being told to play and the game plan relies on it happening. it was especially bad during the ange glory years where we would slow the play down and dominate possession with slick passing and win games and still get idiots yelling play forward, or calling for them to play the long ball. the difference with anges team was the emphasis was on smart football/footballers. player knowing when to hit on transition, when to press high, but also when to slow it down and keep possession, and when to get defensive shape. i think Fowlers ultimate goal is to get to that same point but is first focusing on ball possession and ball possession opposition phases before including the plans for the other phases. He doesn't have the quality players to implement the quality of a top 4 team. I think we're getting carried away a bit with these last results. I think we do - we just have to acknowledge that there is work to do before we get there and maybe we won't make it. We may not achieve our full potential - plenty of teams and players don't - but as long as we are improving (do you not think we are?) why call it a night this early? Not calling it a night. This is what I said....... "Let's hope the improvements keep coming". However, if we can't or won't get better skillful players, then I'm predicting we have no chance of a top 4 spot. I hope I'm wrong and our future this season improves, but looking at what we've got and saying we will be top 4 quality is looking at the crystal ball with orange tinted glasses. I wasn't actually having a go at you - just so you know that. The quote I was referring to said "He doesn't have the quality players to implement the quality of a top 4 team". No word of improvement there just a plain statement that the players are not up to scratch for a top 4. I agree we are not top 4 quality at the moment, but I strongly disagree that it would be beyond possible for us to improve that far with our current squad. I have never said we will be top 4 - that would be looking in the crystal ball with fully orange glasses - just that I see enough potential for it to be a possibility, and as long as the improvements keep coming I still hope that we might get there. I have more hope against your pragmatism. No offence taken. Nothing like a good robust discussion. If there's a possibility of a top 4 then it will probably be 0.1% if that. I just can't remotely see it with this lot of players. Even this last win I still felt Wellington were playing a class above Roar, just not good enough to win this one but look classy and effective enough to be in the top 4. We need to look at reality and differentiate between what his possible and what is very unlikely. Like I said I hope I am wrong, but there's nothing wrong with wishful thinking either, it's just I don't look at it that way.. So for the record, you have conceded we are a chance of making the 4 with our current team and only an 'if', a 'possibility' and a 0.1% chance standing in the way. I think there is a little dreamer in all of us ;) Edit: Forgot one 'probably' too. Don't want to misrepresent you. OK I concede. You cunningly dragged it out of me. Top 4 likelihood 0.1%, unlikely 99.9%. Does that make a difference? ;) Yes! We both predicted the top 4 finish 7 months ago :) Well worth the wait.
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+x4th place sucks. It’s like Goldilocks: not high enough to shut up the critics, not low enough to shut up the supporters.
And FMD, probably an ACL place as well .... better check QSAC availability Yay Roar! Locked in a top part of the table finish. Funny end to the regular season - we could have been 3rd or out of finals with only a couple of games to go. Winners as a club for the season in my eyes - now we can dream of the next game.
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+x+x4th place sucks. It’s like Goldilocks: not high enough to shut up the critics, not low enough to shut up the supporters.
And FMD, probably an ACL place as well .... better check QSAC availability Yay Roar! Locked in a top part of the table finish. Funny end to the regular season - we could have been 3rd or out of finals with only a couple of games to go. Winners as a club for the season in my eyes - now we can dream of the next game. Mine too.
It proved the nonsense that we had for the previous 2-3 seasons was unnecessary:
* Spent less money and got a better team. So it was never about the budget. * Trained on the same grass and finished fourth. So the training pitch isn’t too hard/too soft/too long/too short. * Didn’t have massive injury problems and we looked fit all season. So it’s about the training they get not something in the Logan water. * Had the same owners so they weren’t holding the coach back. * Fixed the leaking defence so, it can be done John & Ross - you just have to try.
Overall a decent season. If we had started better over those first few games who knows.
And Warren Moon looks the goods - no worries over coaching changes in the close season and can look forward to next season with some optimism, including a possible (no doubt short) ACL campaign thanks to the Nix.
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+x+x+x4th place sucks. It’s like Goldilocks: not high enough to shut up the critics, not low enough to shut up the supporters.
And FMD, probably an ACL place as well .... better check QSAC availability Yay Roar! Locked in a top part of the table finish. Funny end to the regular season - we could have been 3rd or out of finals with only a couple of games to go. Winners as a club for the season in my eyes - now we can dream of the next game. Mine too.
It proved the nonsense that we had for the previous 2-3 seasons was unnecessary:
* Spent less money and got a better team. So it was never about the budget. * Trained on the same grass and finished fourth. So the training pitch isn’t too hard/too soft/too long/too short. * Didn’t have massive injury problems and we looked fit all season. So it’s about the training they get not something in the Logan water. * Had the same owners so they weren’t holding the coach back. * Fixed the leaking defence so, it can be done John & Ross - you just have to try.
Overall a decent season. If we had started better over those first few games who knows.
And Warren Moon looks the goods - no worries over coaching changes in the close season and can look forward to next season with some optimism, including a possible (no doubt short) ACL campaign thanks to the Nix. Agree with most of what you say. Just a couple of points. Maybe John and Ross don't know how to fix a weak defence. Warren does look the goods, but the defence looked a little more brittle in the few games he has been in charge. If he can sort that, then we are good to go.. All in all a great improvement on where we were a year ago.
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+x+x+x+x4th place sucks. It’s like Goldilocks: not high enough to shut up the critics, not low enough to shut up the supporters.
And FMD, probably an ACL place as well .... better check QSAC availability Yay Roar! Locked in a top part of the table finish. Funny end to the regular season - we could have been 3rd or out of finals with only a couple of games to go. Winners as a club for the season in my eyes - now we can dream of the next game. Mine too.
It proved the nonsense that we had for the previous 2-3 seasons was unnecessary:
* Spent less money and got a better team. So it was never about the budget. * Trained on the same grass and finished fourth. So the training pitch isn’t too hard/too soft/too long/too short. * Didn’t have massive injury problems and we looked fit all season. So it’s about the training they get not something in the Logan water. * Had the same owners so they weren’t holding the coach back. * Fixed the leaking defence so, it can be done John & Ross - you just have to try.
Overall a decent season. If we had started better over those first few games who knows.
And Warren Moon looks the goods - no worries over coaching changes in the close season and can look forward to next season with some optimism, including a possible (no doubt short) ACL campaign thanks to the Nix. Agree with most of what you say. Just a couple of points. Maybe John and Ross don't know how to fix a weak defence. Warren does look the goods, but the defence looked a little more brittle in the few games he has been in charge. If he can sort that, then we are good to go.. All in all a great improvement on where we were a year ago. I suspect the shakiness since returning from lockdown is due to the absence of AON. He really stepped up after the Olyroo's stint, allowing JOS to play a more forward role. Shows how pivotal the DM spot is. I look at SFC, and they won in a canter, but are far less secure without BON and JB picking off the opposition. That give me hope if we get to play them.
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+x+x+x+x+x4th place sucks. It’s like Goldilocks: not high enough to shut up the critics, not low enough to shut up the supporters.
And FMD, probably an ACL place as well .... better check QSAC availability Yay Roar! Locked in a top part of the table finish. Funny end to the regular season - we could have been 3rd or out of finals with only a couple of games to go. Winners as a club for the season in my eyes - now we can dream of the next game. Mine too.
It proved the nonsense that we had for the previous 2-3 seasons was unnecessary:
* Spent less money and got a better team. So it was never about the budget. * Trained on the same grass and finished fourth. So the training pitch isn’t too hard/too soft/too long/too short. * Didn’t have massive injury problems and we looked fit all season. So it’s about the training they get not something in the Logan water. * Had the same owners so they weren’t holding the coach back. * Fixed the leaking defence so, it can be done John & Ross - you just have to try.
Overall a decent season. If we had started better over those first few games who knows.
And Warren Moon looks the goods - no worries over coaching changes in the close season and can look forward to next season with some optimism, including a possible (no doubt short) ACL campaign thanks to the Nix. Agree with most of what you say. Just a couple of points. Maybe John and Ross don't know how to fix a weak defence. Warren does look the goods, but the defence looked a little more brittle in the few games he has been in charge. If he can sort that, then we are good to go.. All in all a great improvement on where we were a year ago. I suspect the shakiness since returning from lockdown is due to the absence of AON. He really stepped up after the Olyroo's stint, allowing JOS to play a more forward role. Shows how pivotal the DM spot is. I look at SFC, and they won in a canter, but are far less secure without BON and JB picking off the opposition. That give me hope if we get to play them. I think you are right about AON it was the same at the start of the season when AON was out of form (and then Away) we did not look all that composed at the back and JOS had to play deeper as he is doing now as well. However i dont think you are right with SFC, they have conceeded 4 less goals this season (with 1 less game) with Brattan instead of BON and JB. it was clear from our game against SFC that brattan can command the DM spot by himself (it was clear that we needed 2 players to do the job that he did alone). DM is a spot that we really havent nailed this season, AON was good for a bit but still a long way from being dominant. a dominant DM and a lethal striker and we are a championship team.
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+x+x+x+x+x4th place sucks. It’s like Goldilocks: not high enough to shut up the critics, not low enough to shut up the supporters.
And FMD, probably an ACL place as well .... better check QSAC availability Yay Roar! Locked in a top part of the table finish. Funny end to the regular season - we could have been 3rd or out of finals with only a couple of games to go. Winners as a club for the season in my eyes - now we can dream of the next game. Mine too.
It proved the nonsense that we had for the previous 2-3 seasons was unnecessary:
* Spent less money and got a better team. So it was never about the budget. * Trained on the same grass and finished fourth. So the training pitch isn’t too hard/too soft/too long/too short. * Didn’t have massive injury problems and we looked fit all season. So it’s about the training they get not something in the Logan water. * Had the same owners so they weren’t holding the coach back. * Fixed the leaking defence so, it can be done John & Ross - you just have to try.
Overall a decent season. If we had started better over those first few games who knows.
And Warren Moon looks the goods - no worries over coaching changes in the close season and can look forward to next season with some optimism, including a possible (no doubt short) ACL campaign thanks to the Nix. Agree with most of what you say. Just a couple of points. Maybe John and Ross don't know how to fix a weak defence. Warren does look the goods, but the defence looked a little more brittle in the few games he has been in charge. If he can sort that, then we are good to go.. All in all a great improvement on where we were a year ago. I suspect the shakiness since returning from lockdown is due to the absence of AON. He really stepped up after the Olyroo's stint, allowing JOS to play a more forward role. Shows how pivotal the DM spot is. I look at SFC, and they won in a canter, but are far less secure without BON and JB picking off the opposition. That give me hope if we get to play them. I think that Robbie said "I want goals of course, but what I really care about is that we don't concede ever in the first half, and the opposition has to be lucky or brilliant to score in the second half". Waz Moon obviously plays a more open style with much more attacking from the start. I do not think we are as sharp up front as most other teams, so sacrificing our defence in any way makes it harder to get anything out of a game if we concede (especially early). Watching Perieas (?) for WU stroll round the back of players in the last two games has me very concerned about our left hand defensive side. His freedom behind Corey and Gillesphey with Besart making runs into the box is deadly for our slow defence. More attractive, faster flowing football at the expense of goals conceded is not good for me. The 5 subs hurt us, as we can no longer be a fortress for half a game then come out and attack with superior fitness and win over the top. Even Ange would have had to adjust strategy with 5 subs available because you just can't wear the opposition down in 80 minutes then come over the top of them to snatch a late victory. I know that others prefer our current style more than our dour defensive strategy. I can understand that. SFC just have not come back the same post-break. Barbarouses is the worst I can remember seeing him and not by a small amount. Doesn't mean he isn't dangerous but he has lost something significant. They looked much better with Grant back as expected.
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Moon has kept the same structure but has a different philosophy to RF - he’s far more adventurous which definitely makes us look more vulnerable at the back.
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Interesting to see that since the return,we have been 6th best with only one win.But below WSW lol.
NJ,MC,WU &AU best. All above us with more than two wins and NJ and MC undefeated.
SFC ,PG and WP below CCM.
MV last and WP second last.
Unfortunately for us we get to play one of the two best form teams .
Tough turnaround for whoever wins.Just two days against a fresh SFC.Ridiculous really.May as well just put SFC into the GF.Five substitutes will be critical.
Imagine if the game goes to extra time.
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+xInteresting to see that since the return,we have been 6th best with only one win.But below WSW lol. NJ,MC,WU &AU best. All above us with more than two wins and NJ and MC undefeated. SFC ,PG and WP below CCM. MV last and WP second last. Unfortunately for us we get to play one of the two best form teams .Tough turnaround for whoever wins.Just two days against a fresh SFC.Ridiculous really.May as well just put SFC into the GF.Five substitutes will be critical. Imagine if the game goes to extra time. I don’t think Roar have anything to fear other than not being able to score many goals. I hope we’ve been practising penalties because I think that’s going to be our way forward.
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“Brisbane Roar players are furious after being told they will have to serve a two-week quarantine period in a hotel after their involvement in the A-League finals series is over In a morale-shattering blow ahead of their elimination final against Western United on Sunday at Bankwest Stadium, the Roar squad were informed on Friday that Football Federation Australia had failed in its bid for an exemption from the Queensland government to have the players self-isolate for two weeks in their own homes on their return from the NSW hub....” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/aleague-2020-roar-squad-will-be-forced-to-quarantine-in-hotels-on-their-return-to-brisbane/news-story/17fa2a3edf518d67fba56a5ecebd62e6
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This is an absolutely disgraceful decision by the complete numpty, biased and incompetent government we have in Qld. NRL and AFL players can break their rules, and come and go from NSW and not have to isolate, but football players who have been in a bubble have to quarantine in hotels for two weeks. FFS!
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I am torn on this one. I would have argued for all returning sport players to have to isolate the same whether they are continuing or ending a season, and I have more of a beef with NRL and AFL not being bound the same. If the risk is as great for all players (arguably even more for the cuddling football codes) then letting active players self isolate 'because their season is not over' makes a mockery of the threat that the measures are in to counter. Ridiculous to say you can come and go every week but at the end of the season you need to be cleaned properly. Fine to treat all the same - not fine to say it is different because the season has ended. Irrelevant what other states are doing. At least they have just over a week to see if they can get another answer ;)
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+xI am torn on this one. I would have argued for all returning sport players to have to isolate the same whether they are continuing or ending a season, and I have more of a beef with NRL and AFL not being bound the same. If the risk is as great for all players (arguably even more for the cuddling football codes) then letting active players self isolate 'because their season is not over' makes a mockery of the threat that the measures are in to counter. Ridiculous to say you can come and go every week but at the end of the season you need to be cleaned properly. Fine to treat all the same - not fine to say it is different because the season has ended. Irrelevant what other states are doing. At least they have just over a week to see if they can get another answer ;) In the bigger scheme of things we could all be in lock down by the time they return if they don’t contain the Wacol breakout.
Given the enormous consequences and the potential for a second lockdown Melbournian style I don’t think the angst should be that Roar players have to quarantine, it’s that (it appears) other codes players don’t for some reason.
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So this is morale shattering? It's an excuse in case they lose today. I would of thought knowing your $100,000 contract will only be worth 1/2 that next year would be more morale shattering. You Q/Landers will try and find any excuse.
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Yeah, while Broncos players are out having lunch at the pub, Roar players will be in hotel quarantine. This is what happens when Premier Palaszczuk is in vote winning mode. There’s votes in being tough on borders but votes to be lost in being tough on Broncos.
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Quarantine and testing still has me totally perplexed.
Noone has been able to tell me how testing literally hundreds of thousands of people that give negative results is sufficient to avoid quarantine,when tests are only 80% accurate.
Yet tests on people in quarantine are irrelevant if test results are negative.
So if tests cant confirm you are safe when crossing a border or returning from overseas.Why is it they can confirm you are safe once within a state?
I suspect governments know more than they are saying.
Now where is my tinfoil hat?
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Thought we played ok tonight. Problem is when we play the style we play you actually need wingbacks who can cross. Hingert and Brown just not good enough crossers of the ball.
I’d reckon there’s no one in A-League history with so little to show for hundreds of balls into the box as Hingert.
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We pretty much played our normal game tonight.Consistent ,but not quite the cutting edge to win.
Pretty similar to WU really.
I hope Moon has some plans to change the squad and style .Because we really need to be a threat with fast counter attacks rather than predictable slow build up play all the time.If we are to be serious challengers for a title.
We just dont have the quality to win consistently through grit
Welll done to WU.
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+xThought we played ok tonight. Problem is when we play the style we play you actually need wingbacks who can cross. Hingert and Brown just not good enough crossers of the ball. I’d reckon there’s no one in A-League history with so little to show for hundreds of balls into the box as Hingert. Aldred's stupid shirt pull gave the only goal in the game. Open play we held our own. We hit the post, and again stuffed up a number of really good opportunities. I don't blame Hingert and Brown - there were enough opportunities in that game to score. Story of the season really - great opportunities but no-one able to step up consistently and take the tap in or reflex shot. Flat finish to a progressively improved season. I would have preferred some open field brilliance by Diamanti to have given them the victory rather than a bloody, bloody, bloody stupid free kick on the edge of the box. Take that out and the game goes to either side with equal chance. For Hingert, put Berisha or JMac in the box and I say we score a lot more than our hit and miss forwards this season.
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I can't say well done to WU I am afraid. I can say well done to Berisha and Diamanti, and to other individual players, but that bullsh!t sucking up the end of the game is not well done - it is what is wrong with football the world over and Rudan reeks of it. Bitter - you betcha. Not the first time they have won a game by not playing football.
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