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+x+x+x+x+xMy main beef with the Des/Dibb era was a decline in scouting and player development and poor management of the juniors. I'm of the opinion that anything goes with the SC as long as the next wave of talent is coming through. But there was also the issue of our playing style and a lack of suitable talent in key position... So they were fundamentally all in on bad SC bet with little prospect of success and no plan B. Only an exceptional season from Barba put us in the frame. If we had the talent or we had a pipleline of good young players it was a reasonable bet.. I don't blame Des, he was placed under pressure with high expectations for quick results and given little oversight. I also think that others should have been managing the pipeline of talent. I don't dislike Dibb as a person, he is copping a lot of blame for being captain of a weak team. I think he is merely the organ grinder, and the monkeys are getting up to mischief. Fundamentally you can have you cake and eat it too as the Storm have done. The key to their success is the pipeline of talent, ditto for the Panthers. The Roosters are a bit more complex it seems the SC doesn't apply to them. Storm are the model team setup based on my example except they had 3 players on 1M or slightly more and were happy to pay their forwards peanuts and eventually lost them. Their formula was the complete opposite of ours and their success shows how badly we havent kept with the times. Roosters are not too dissimilar with most of their cap spent on spine players or backs. They are happy to pay their forwards low $$ and not too fussed to lose them and give someone else a go. Two of the most successful clubs in the last 15 or so years cant be fluking it. I hope we have taken notice and learn from them. You need a sprinkling of players, 4 or 5, with the football smarts and talent to bring the points. Pay them 35% of the cap. The rest of the team only need to be competent players who can perform a clearly defined role and stick to a game plan. The contracts of the players with the smarts need to have staggered end dates to make replacement easier and prevent players and managers having too much power over the club. Beneath this there must always be new young players being developed, encouraged and given opportunity Absolutely spot on. Hope the people that be at the club read your post, re-read it 3 more times, print it, paste it on the walls of their office and read it every single day. The key to a competitive/dominant team as you have said is the 'spine'. You ideally need 3 very good players and the other just needs to be competent. Then you need a hard working forward pack ideally with a good front rower who doubles as an enforcer/leader. The backline looks after itself if you have speed and skill but you don't need marquee players, just guys that are capable and know how to find the try line. Obviously there are exceptions and you might get lucky with a junior that becomes an overnight sensation but the point is there is generally no shortage of good or adequate players in the forwards and the outside backs that come onto the market every year. After that, and probably the key: you need a great coach! Look at the Roosters, they started their dominant run with: 1.Teddy 6. Keary 7. Cronk 9.Friend (competent) Forward leader/enforcer: Waerea-Hargreaves Storm: 1. Papenhausen 6. Munster 7. Hughes (competent) 9. Smith Forward leader/enforcer: Bromwich
Penrith have done phenomenally well given Edwards and Luai's aren't elite but they have improved alot this season and are running mostly on the back of their 7 and 9 with Fisher-Harris leading the way. So with that being said where does that leave our bulldogs? Fullback: Hopoate/Meaney. Options are bare at the moment although there are a handful of really good fullbacks in the comp. I think we need to bide our time Five-Eighth: A lot depends on who you have playing at 7. Does he need to have game management and kicking skills or is he just a ball runner? Options are Averillo and Wakeham. Burton would be good but he doesn't look likely for next season. Halfback: Lewis and Blake Green. Obviously Green will get the job when he is fit and will handle the kicking and game management which comes in handy considering he will be partnering a relatively inexperienced 5/8th. Hooker: JMK at the moment but we need to hope Cameron Smith plays on and we can pinch either Grant or Brandon Smith. Our best hope for 20201: 1. Meaney (Stick with him as I believe there is room for improvement at fullback. Move Hoppa to centre. I think Meaney would benefit from having quality in 6/7/9 if we can get it) 6. Averillo (This is his preferred position and there is no doubt he has talent but we have to find the right number 7 to partner him. If it doesn't work out target Burton for 2022) 7. Green (I'm not a fan. There is a reason no one re-signs this bloke and just look at how good the Warriors are going without him. That said he has a kicking game and experience which we sorely need. Quality 7's are severely lacking in this competition but we'll need to find something for 2022 as Lewis is not the answer) 9. Smith (This guy looks like a Bulldog. We won't have a quality 7 for a while and god knows where the next great fullback will come from but we can not miss out on this opportunity to get a quality 9.)
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+x+x+x+x+xMy main beef with the Des/Dibb era was a decline in scouting and player development and poor management of the juniors. I'm of the opinion that anything goes with the SC as long as the next wave of talent is coming through. But there was also the issue of our playing style and a lack of suitable talent in key position... So they were fundamentally all in on bad SC bet with little prospect of success and no plan B. Only an exceptional season from Barba put us in the frame. If we had the talent or we had a pipleline of good young players it was a reasonable bet.. I don't blame Des, he was placed under pressure with high expectations for quick results and given little oversight. I also think that others should have been managing the pipeline of talent. I don't dislike Dibb as a person, he is copping a lot of blame for being captain of a weak team. I think he is merely the organ grinder, and the monkeys are getting up to mischief. Fundamentally you can have you cake and eat it too as the Storm have done. The key to their success is the pipeline of talent, ditto for the Panthers. The Roosters are a bit more complex it seems the SC doesn't apply to them. Storm are the model team setup based on my example except they had 3 players on 1M or slightly more and were happy to pay their forwards peanuts and eventually lost them. Their formula was the complete opposite of ours and their success shows how badly we havent kept with the times. Roosters are not too dissimilar with most of their cap spent on spine players or backs. They are happy to pay their forwards low $$ and not too fussed to lose them and give someone else a go. Two of the most successful clubs in the last 15 or so years cant be fluking it. I hope we have taken notice and learn from them. You need a sprinkling of players, 4 or 5, with the football smarts and talent to bring the points. Pay them 35% of the cap. The rest of the team only need to be competent players who can perform a clearly defined role and stick to a game plan. The contracts of the players with the smarts need to have staggered end dates to make replacement easier and prevent players and managers having too much power over the club. Beneath this there must always be new young players being developed, encouraged and given opportunity Absolutely spot on. Hope the people that be at the club read your post, re-read it 3 more times, print it, paste it on the walls of their office and read it every single day. Included has to be the orchestra conductor and his stand in
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I like Brandon Smith but I think people overlook that the best football he plays 99% of the time is NOT at hooker. In fact, I've seen him have some pretty ordinary Brandon Smith type games at hooker, including his last a couple of weeks ago when he was dead boring and couldn't stick a pass. Exception was one, and only one that I can remember, game for The Kiwi's and even then most of his good work was from his power running, not slick service from DH or game management.
I really think anyone (inc and especially us) signing him as DH on DH money is gonna get burnt when they realise he's best picked at #13 and you're now looking around for a new DH.
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+xI like Brandon Smith but I think people overlook that the best football he plays 99% of the time is NOT at hooker. In fact, I've seen him have some pretty ordinary Brandon Smith type games at hooker, including his last a couple of weeks ago when he was dead boring and couldn't stick a pass. Exception was one, and only one that I can remember, game for The Kiwi's and even then most of his good work was from his power running, not slick service from DH or game management. I really think anyone (inc and especially us) signing him as DH on DH money is gonna get burnt when they realise he's best picked at #13 and you're now looking around for a new DH. This is why the Storm want both him and Grant
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+x+x+x+x+x+xMy main beef with the Des/Dibb era was a decline in scouting and player development and poor management of the juniors. I'm of the opinion that anything goes with the SC as long as the next wave of talent is coming through. But there was also the issue of our playing style and a lack of suitable talent in key position... So they were fundamentally all in on bad SC bet with little prospect of success and no plan B. Only an exceptional season from Barba put us in the frame. If we had the talent or we had a pipleline of good young players it was a reasonable bet.. I don't blame Des, he was placed under pressure with high expectations for quick results and given little oversight. I also think that others should have been managing the pipeline of talent. I don't dislike Dibb as a person, he is copping a lot of blame for being captain of a weak team. I think he is merely the organ grinder, and the monkeys are getting up to mischief. Fundamentally you can have you cake and eat it too as the Storm have done. The key to their success is the pipeline of talent, ditto for the Panthers. The Roosters are a bit more complex it seems the SC doesn't apply to them. Storm are the model team setup based on my example except they had 3 players on 1M or slightly more and were happy to pay their forwards peanuts and eventually lost them. Their formula was the complete opposite of ours and their success shows how badly we havent kept with the times. Roosters are not too dissimilar with most of their cap spent on spine players or backs. They are happy to pay their forwards low $$ and not too fussed to lose them and give someone else a go. Two of the most successful clubs in the last 15 or so years cant be fluking it. I hope we have taken notice and learn from them. You need a sprinkling of players, 4 or 5, with the football smarts and talent to bring the points. Pay them 35% of the cap. The rest of the team only need to be competent players who can perform a clearly defined role and stick to a game plan. The contracts of the players with the smarts need to have staggered end dates to make replacement easier and prevent players and managers having too much power over the club. Beneath this there must always be new young players being developed, encouraged and given opportunity Absolutely spot on. Hope the people that be at the club read your post, re-read it 3 more times, print it, paste it on the walls of their office and read it every single day. The key to a competitive/dominant team as you have said is the 'spine'. You ideally need 3 very good players and the other just needs to be competent. Then you need a hard working forward pack ideally with a good front rower who doubles as an enforcer/leader. The backline looks after itself if you have speed and skill but you don't need marquee players, just guys that are capable and know how to find the try line. Obviously there are exceptions and you might get lucky with a junior that becomes an overnight sensation but the point is there is generally no shortage of good or adequate players in the forwards and the outside backs that come onto the market every year. After that, and probably the key: you need a great coach! Look at the Roosters, they started their dominant run with: 1.Teddy 6. Keary 7. Cronk 9.Friend (competent) Forward leader/enforcer: Waerea-Hargreaves Storm: 1. Papenhausen 6. Munster 7. Hughes (competent) 9. Smith Forward leader/enforcer: Bromwich
Penrith have done phenomenally well given Edwards and Luai's aren't elite but they have improved alot this season and are running mostly on the back of their 7 and 9 with Fisher-Harris leading the way. So with that being said where does that leave our bulldogs? Fullback: Hopoate/Meaney. Options are bare at the moment although there are a handful of really good fullbacks in the comp. I think we need to bide our time Five-Eighth: A lot depends on who you have playing at 7. Does he need to have game management and kicking skills or is he just a ball runner? Options are Averillo and Wakeham. Burton would be good but he doesn't look likely for next season. Halfback: Lewis and Blake Green. Obviously Green will get the job when he is fit and will handle the kicking and game management which comes in handy considering he will be partnering a relatively inexperienced 5/8th. Hooker: JMK at the moment but we need to hope Cameron Smith plays on and we can pinch either Grant or Brandon Smith. Our best hope for 20201: 1. Meaney (Stick with him as I believe there is room for improvement at fullback. Move Hoppa to centre. I think Meaney would benefit from having quality in 6/7/9 if we can get it) 6. Averillo (This is his preferred position and there is no doubt he has talent but we have to find the right number 7 to partner him. If it doesn't work out target Burton for 2022) 7. Green (I'm not a fan. There is a reason no one re-signs this bloke and just look at how good the Warriors are going without him. That said he has a kicking game and experience which we sorely need. Quality 7's are severely lacking in this competition but we'll need to find something for 2022 as Lewis is not the answer) 9. Smith (This guy looks like a Bulldog. We won't have a quality 7 for a while and god knows where the next great fullback will come from but we can not miss out on this opportunity to get a quality 9.) So in a nutshell, we are stuffed for the next 5-10 years.... If there is a positive to your post, its the fact you didnt name Tolman as our enforcer!!!!
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+xI like Brandon Smith but I think people overlook that the best football he plays 99% of the time is NOT at hooker. In fact, I've seen him have some pretty ordinary Brandon Smith type games at hooker, including his last a couple of weeks ago when he was dead boring and couldn't stick a pass. Exception was one, and only one that I can remember, game for The Kiwi's and even then most of his good work was from his power running, not slick service from DH or game management. I really think anyone (inc and especially us) signing him as DH on DH money is gonna get burnt when they realise he's best picked at #13 and you're now looking around for a new DH. I'll take any hooker who's prime instinct is to run first, and passing comes a distant second. We have for far too long (with exception of Cooky) had hookers who 99% of the time look to pass and telegraph the fact they want to pass, instead of playing heads up football. The purpose of rugby league is to score. If you pick up the ball from dummy half, your first instinct should be to score. If you cant score yourself, you then pass to someone who can. This predetermined play that we have needs to change. All the top hookers in the game are not the best at their craft coz of nice passes. They are the best because they can read an opportunity and make the most of it. That usually means darting out from dummy half, or engaging defenders before passing. I'll take Brandon Smith ANY day of the week and twice on Sundays. And I wouldn't regret it. He shits on anyone we have or had since Cooky
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMy main beef with the Des/Dibb era was a decline in scouting and player development and poor management of the juniors. I'm of the opinion that anything goes with the SC as long as the next wave of talent is coming through. But there was also the issue of our playing style and a lack of suitable talent in key position... So they were fundamentally all in on bad SC bet with little prospect of success and no plan B. Only an exceptional season from Barba put us in the frame. If we had the talent or we had a pipleline of good young players it was a reasonable bet.. I don't blame Des, he was placed under pressure with high expectations for quick results and given little oversight. I also think that others should have been managing the pipeline of talent. I don't dislike Dibb as a person, he is copping a lot of blame for being captain of a weak team. I think he is merely the organ grinder, and the monkeys are getting up to mischief. Fundamentally you can have you cake and eat it too as the Storm have done. The key to their success is the pipeline of talent, ditto for the Panthers. The Roosters are a bit more complex it seems the SC doesn't apply to them. Storm are the model team setup based on my example except they had 3 players on 1M or slightly more and were happy to pay their forwards peanuts and eventually lost them. Their formula was the complete opposite of ours and their success shows how badly we havent kept with the times. Roosters are not too dissimilar with most of their cap spent on spine players or backs. They are happy to pay their forwards low $$ and not too fussed to lose them and give someone else a go. Two of the most successful clubs in the last 15 or so years cant be fluking it. I hope we have taken notice and learn from them. You need a sprinkling of players, 4 or 5, with the football smarts and talent to bring the points. Pay them 35% of the cap. The rest of the team only need to be competent players who can perform a clearly defined role and stick to a game plan. The contracts of the players with the smarts need to have staggered end dates to make replacement easier and prevent players and managers having too much power over the club. Beneath this there must always be new young players being developed, encouraged and given opportunity Absolutely spot on. Hope the people that be at the club read your post, re-read it 3 more times, print it, paste it on the walls of their office and read it every single day. The key to a competitive/dominant team as you have said is the 'spine'. You ideally need 3 very good players and the other just needs to be competent. Then you need a hard working forward pack ideally with a good front rower who doubles as an enforcer/leader. The backline looks after itself if you have speed and skill but you don't need marquee players, just guys that are capable and know how to find the try line. Obviously there are exceptions and you might get lucky with a junior that becomes an overnight sensation but the point is there is generally no shortage of good or adequate players in the forwards and the outside backs that come onto the market every year. After that, and probably the key: you need a great coach! Look at the Roosters, they started their dominant run with: 1.Teddy 6. Keary 7. Cronk 9.Friend (competent) Forward leader/enforcer: Waerea-Hargreaves Storm: 1. Papenhausen 6. Munster 7. Hughes (competent) 9. Smith Forward leader/enforcer: Bromwich
Penrith have done phenomenally well given Edwards and Luai's aren't elite but they have improved alot this season and are running mostly on the back of their 7 and 9 with Fisher-Harris leading the way. So with that being said where does that leave our bulldogs? Fullback: Hopoate/Meaney. Options are bare at the moment although there are a handful of really good fullbacks in the comp. I think we need to bide our time Five-Eighth: A lot depends on who you have playing at 7. Does he need to have game management and kicking skills or is he just a ball runner? Options are Averillo and Wakeham. Burton would be good but he doesn't look likely for next season. Halfback: Lewis and Blake Green. Obviously Green will get the job when he is fit and will handle the kicking and game management which comes in handy considering he will be partnering a relatively inexperienced 5/8th. Hooker: JMK at the moment but we need to hope Cameron Smith plays on and we can pinch either Grant or Brandon Smith. Our best hope for 20201: 1. Meaney (Stick with him as I believe there is room for improvement at fullback. Move Hoppa to centre. I think Meaney would benefit from having quality in 6/7/9 if we can get it) 6. Averillo (This is his preferred position and there is no doubt he has talent but we have to find the right number 7 to partner him. If it doesn't work out target Burton for 2022) 7. Green (I'm not a fan. There is a reason no one re-signs this bloke and just look at how good the Warriors are going without him. That said he has a kicking game and experience which we sorely need. Quality 7's are severely lacking in this competition but we'll need to find something for 2022 as Lewis is not the answer) 9. Smith (This guy looks like a Bulldog. We won't have a quality 7 for a while and god knows where the next great fullback will come from but we can not miss out on this opportunity to get a quality 9.) So in a nutshell, we are stuffed for the next 5-10 years.... If there is a positive to your post, its the fact you didnt name Tolman as our enforcer!!!! I would not say that . However it is true there are plenty of questions over 21. Enforcer -I think Odgen/Toomaga may be able to step up, but I would recruit. Fullback - Meaney or Averillo might be the answer. 5/8 - Averillo or Wakeham might be the answer. Half - Green a short term fix at best. Hooker - definitely a recruitment priority. We may end up ticking 2/5 or 3/5 when this season we ticked 1/5 with Foran and at times 0/5 without him. However we still have some cash and some good young lower grade players, no reason why we can't be 4/5 or 5/5 in 2022/2023. 2021 might not be a total solution, but should be better than most of 2013-2020, that is becuase we may finally have a good coach... The coach is 6 on the list useless without 1-5, but essential in making 1-5 count.
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+xI'll take any hooker who's prime instinct is to run first, and passing comes a distant second. We have for far too long (with exception of Cooky) had hookers who 99% of the time look to pass and telegraph the fact they want to pass, instead of playing heads up football. The purpose of rugby league is to score. If you pick up the ball from dummy half, your first instinct should be to score. If you cant score yourself, you then pass to someone who can. This predetermined play that we have needs to change. All the top hookers in the game are not the best at their craft coz of nice passes. They are the best because they can read an opportunity and make the most of it. That usually means darting out from dummy half, or engaging defenders before passing. I'll take Brandon Smith ANY day of the week and twice on Sundays. And I wouldn't regret it. He shits on anyone we have or had since Cooky It’s not a question of whether you think Brandon Smith is a better DH than who we got or had, it’s a question of where Brandon Smith plays his best football.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMy main beef with the Des/Dibb era was a decline in scouting and player development and poor management of the juniors. I'm of the opinion that anything goes with the SC as long as the next wave of talent is coming through. But there was also the issue of our playing style and a lack of suitable talent in key position... So they were fundamentally all in on bad SC bet with little prospect of success and no plan B. Only an exceptional season from Barba put us in the frame. If we had the talent or we had a pipleline of good young players it was a reasonable bet.. I don't blame Des, he was placed under pressure with high expectations for quick results and given little oversight. I also think that others should have been managing the pipeline of talent. I don't dislike Dibb as a person, he is copping a lot of blame for being captain of a weak team. I think he is merely the organ grinder, and the monkeys are getting up to mischief. Fundamentally you can have you cake and eat it too as the Storm have done. The key to their success is the pipeline of talent, ditto for the Panthers. The Roosters are a bit more complex it seems the SC doesn't apply to them. Storm are the model team setup based on my example except they had 3 players on 1M or slightly more and were happy to pay their forwards peanuts and eventually lost them. Their formula was the complete opposite of ours and their success shows how badly we havent kept with the times. Roosters are not too dissimilar with most of their cap spent on spine players or backs. They are happy to pay their forwards low $$ and not too fussed to lose them and give someone else a go. Two of the most successful clubs in the last 15 or so years cant be fluking it. I hope we have taken notice and learn from them. You need a sprinkling of players, 4 or 5, with the football smarts and talent to bring the points. Pay them 35% of the cap. The rest of the team only need to be competent players who can perform a clearly defined role and stick to a game plan. The contracts of the players with the smarts need to have staggered end dates to make replacement easier and prevent players and managers having too much power over the club. Beneath this there must always be new young players being developed, encouraged and given opportunity Absolutely spot on. Hope the people that be at the club read your post, re-read it 3 more times, print it, paste it on the walls of their office and read it every single day. The key to a competitive/dominant team as you have said is the 'spine'. You ideally need 3 very good players and the other just needs to be competent. Then you need a hard working forward pack ideally with a good front rower who doubles as an enforcer/leader. The backline looks after itself if you have speed and skill but you don't need marquee players, just guys that are capable and know how to find the try line. Obviously there are exceptions and you might get lucky with a junior that becomes an overnight sensation but the point is there is generally no shortage of good or adequate players in the forwards and the outside backs that come onto the market every year. After that, and probably the key: you need a great coach! Look at the Roosters, they started their dominant run with: 1.Teddy 6. Keary 7. Cronk 9.Friend (competent) Forward leader/enforcer: Waerea-Hargreaves Storm: 1. Papenhausen 6. Munster 7. Hughes (competent) 9. Smith Forward leader/enforcer: Bromwich
Penrith have done phenomenally well given Edwards and Luai's aren't elite but they have improved alot this season and are running mostly on the back of their 7 and 9 with Fisher-Harris leading the way. So with that being said where does that leave our bulldogs? Fullback: Hopoate/Meaney. Options are bare at the moment although there are a handful of really good fullbacks in the comp. I think we need to bide our time Five-Eighth: A lot depends on who you have playing at 7. Does he need to have game management and kicking skills or is he just a ball runner? Options are Averillo and Wakeham. Burton would be good but he doesn't look likely for next season. Halfback: Lewis and Blake Green. Obviously Green will get the job when he is fit and will handle the kicking and game management which comes in handy considering he will be partnering a relatively inexperienced 5/8th. Hooker: JMK at the moment but we need to hope Cameron Smith plays on and we can pinch either Grant or Brandon Smith. Our best hope for 20201: 1. Meaney (Stick with him as I believe there is room for improvement at fullback. Move Hoppa to centre. I think Meaney would benefit from having quality in 6/7/9 if we can get it) 6. Averillo (This is his preferred position and there is no doubt he has talent but we have to find the right number 7 to partner him. If it doesn't work out target Burton for 2022) 7. Green (I'm not a fan. There is a reason no one re-signs this bloke and just look at how good the Warriors are going without him. That said he has a kicking game and experience which we sorely need. Quality 7's are severely lacking in this competition but we'll need to find something for 2022 as Lewis is not the answer) 9. Smith (This guy looks like a Bulldog. We won't have a quality 7 for a while and god knows where the next great fullback will come from but we can not miss out on this opportunity to get a quality 9.) So in a nutshell, we are stuffed for the next 5-10 years.... If there is a positive to your post, its the fact you didnt name Tolman as our enforcer!!!! I would not say that . However it is true there are plenty of questions over 21. Enforcer -I think Odgen/Toomaga may be able to step up, but I would recruit. Fullback - Meaney or Averillo might be the answer. 5/8 - Averillo or Wakeham might be the answer. Half - Green a short term fix at best. Hooker - definitely a recruitment priority. We may end up ticking 2/5 or 3/5 when this season we ticked 1/5 with Foran and at times 0/5 without him. However we still have some cash and some good young lower grade players, no reason why we can't be 4/5 or 5/5 in 2022/2023. 2021 might not be a total solution, but should be better than most of 2013-2020, that is becuase we may finally have a good coach... The coach is 6 on the list useless without 1-5, but essential in making 1-5 count. I was hoping Thompson would be our front row enforcer but I've been really disappointed in his ability to break out of tackles and bend the line back. I'm willing to give him an off-season though and see how he backs up next year. I truly believe if we get the other pieces right (6/7/9) then Meaney could do a job for us at fullback. If not we could give Averillo a go there and make a play for Burton. We know we will fall short at halfback (Like 50% of the comp, maybe more) but if we get 1/6/9 right we can cover for that. Ideally in 12 months time we have at least 2/4 spine positions sorted.
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Campbell Graham will show our backline tonight how it’s done.... he’s such a good player this kid
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMy main beef with the Des/Dibb era was a decline in scouting and player development and poor management of the juniors. I'm of the opinion that anything goes with the SC as long as the next wave of talent is coming through. But there was also the issue of our playing style and a lack of suitable talent in key position... So they were fundamentally all in on bad SC bet with little prospect of success and no plan B. Only an exceptional season from Barba put us in the frame. If we had the talent or we had a pipleline of good young players it was a reasonable bet.. I don't blame Des, he was placed under pressure with high expectations for quick results and given little oversight. I also think that others should have been managing the pipeline of talent. I don't dislike Dibb as a person, he is copping a lot of blame for being captain of a weak team. I think he is merely the organ grinder, and the monkeys are getting up to mischief. Fundamentally you can have you cake and eat it too as the Storm have done. The key to their success is the pipeline of talent, ditto for the Panthers. The Roosters are a bit more complex it seems the SC doesn't apply to them. Storm are the model team setup based on my example except they had 3 players on 1M or slightly more and were happy to pay their forwards peanuts and eventually lost them. Their formula was the complete opposite of ours and their success shows how badly we havent kept with the times. Roosters are not too dissimilar with most of their cap spent on spine players or backs. They are happy to pay their forwards low $$ and not too fussed to lose them and give someone else a go. Two of the most successful clubs in the last 15 or so years cant be fluking it. I hope we have taken notice and learn from them. You need a sprinkling of players, 4 or 5, with the football smarts and talent to bring the points. Pay them 35% of the cap. The rest of the team only need to be competent players who can perform a clearly defined role and stick to a game plan. The contracts of the players with the smarts need to have staggered end dates to make replacement easier and prevent players and managers having too much power over the club. Beneath this there must always be new young players being developed, encouraged and given opportunity Absolutely spot on. Hope the people that be at the club read your post, re-read it 3 more times, print it, paste it on the walls of their office and read it every single day. The key to a competitive/dominant team as you have said is the 'spine'. You ideally need 3 very good players and the other just needs to be competent. Then you need a hard working forward pack ideally with a good front rower who doubles as an enforcer/leader. The backline looks after itself if you have speed and skill but you don't need marquee players, just guys that are capable and know how to find the try line. Obviously there are exceptions and you might get lucky with a junior that becomes an overnight sensation but the point is there is generally no shortage of good or adequate players in the forwards and the outside backs that come onto the market every year. After that, and probably the key: you need a great coach! Look at the Roosters, they started their dominant run with: 1.Teddy 6. Keary 7. Cronk 9.Friend (competent) Forward leader/enforcer: Waerea-Hargreaves Storm: 1. Papenhausen 6. Munster 7. Hughes (competent) 9. Smith Forward leader/enforcer: Bromwich
Penrith have done phenomenally well given Edwards and Luai's aren't elite but they have improved alot this season and are running mostly on the back of their 7 and 9 with Fisher-Harris leading the way. So with that being said where does that leave our bulldogs? Fullback: Hopoate/Meaney. Options are bare at the moment although there are a handful of really good fullbacks in the comp. I think we need to bide our time Five-Eighth: A lot depends on who you have playing at 7. Does he need to have game management and kicking skills or is he just a ball runner? Options are Averillo and Wakeham. Burton would be good but he doesn't look likely for next season. Halfback: Lewis and Blake Green. Obviously Green will get the job when he is fit and will handle the kicking and game management which comes in handy considering he will be partnering a relatively inexperienced 5/8th. Hooker: JMK at the moment but we need to hope Cameron Smith plays on and we can pinch either Grant or Brandon Smith. Our best hope for 20201: 1. Meaney (Stick with him as I believe there is room for improvement at fullback. Move Hoppa to centre. I think Meaney would benefit from having quality in 6/7/9 if we can get it) 6. Averillo (This is his preferred position and there is no doubt he has talent but we have to find the right number 7 to partner him. If it doesn't work out target Burton for 2022) 7. Green (I'm not a fan. There is a reason no one re-signs this bloke and just look at how good the Warriors are going without him. That said he has a kicking game and experience which we sorely need. Quality 7's are severely lacking in this competition but we'll need to find something for 2022 as Lewis is not the answer) 9. Smith (This guy looks like a Bulldog. We won't have a quality 7 for a while and god knows where the next great fullback will come from but we can not miss out on this opportunity to get a quality 9.) So in a nutshell, we are stuffed for the next 5-10 years.... If there is a positive to your post, its the fact you didnt name Tolman as our enforcer!!!! I would not say that . However it is true there are plenty of questions over 21. Enforcer -I think Odgen/Toomaga may be able to step up, but I would recruit. Fullback - Meaney or Averillo might be the answer. 5/8 - Averillo or Wakeham might be the answer. Half - Green a short term fix at best. Hooker - definitely a recruitment priority. We may end up ticking 2/5 or 3/5 when this season we ticked 1/5 with Foran and at times 0/5 without him. However we still have some cash and some good young lower grade players, no reason why we can't be 4/5 or 5/5 in 2022/2023. 2021 might not be a total solution, but should be better than most of 2013-2020, that is becuase we may finally have a good coach... The coach is 6 on the list useless without 1-5, but essential in making 1-5 count. I was hoping Thompson would be our front row enforcer but I've been really disappointed in his ability to break out of tackles and bend the line back. I'm willing to give him an off-season though and see how he backs up next year. I truly believe if we get the other pieces right (6/7/9) then Meaney could do a job for us at fullback. If not we could give Averillo a go there and make a play for Burton. We know we will fall short at halfback (Like 50% of the comp, maybe more) but if we get 1/6/9 right we can cover for that. Ideally in 12 months time we have at least 2/4 spine positions sorted. I'm giving Thompson a shot with a full off season, he needs more footwork, he doesn't have the size to simply run straight. I think we all agree he is an update on Tolman, he used to be a winger, he is fast for a prop. Personally I'm more disappointed in Napa. We are lacking a real leader in the forwads. But if I'm honest game management is our biggest issue, our young halves and forwards should improve with better coaching and more NRL experience. We are all aware of momentum in games, clubs also have momentum in seasons, winning breeds confidence and energy that improves decision making, it is a feedback loop. Players in a side with momentum always look better and perform better. We need to set a standard and get results early in the season. Fullback and the centres have been a shambles all year and halfback hasn't been much better. A lot of that is due to team selection and coaching. Fix up these areas our forwards might look better, they are not far off the pace.
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Lots of pigs flying around here. #GoDogs
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Due to a leap century-minute it is full time ... tuff luck bunnies.
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Good start ...flying pigs everywhere now.
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Amazing start. How are we going to blow it?
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Back to back tries! Have we scored a try the immediate set after a try all year? That was such a great play off the kick off as well!
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Damn. Souths score after 32 minutes. Need to make sure they don't score for the rest of the half.
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The Souths try his foot was a mile over the line! No one noticed and it was awarded. Come on! This is the sort of crap that will cost us the win. Can't get anything!
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+xThe Souths try his foot was a mile over the line! No one noticed and it was awarded. Come on! This is the sort of crap that will cost us the win. Can't get anything! There’s the case for sending them all up... Or preferably getting rid of the vid ref completely...
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Six again six again, penalty, and give a try without going upstairs and its a no try.
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All the momentum with Souths. In such a bad mood.
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All even...
No way that was a penalty...
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+xSix again six again, penalty, and give a try without going upstairs and its a no try. I've always said EVERY single try should be checked by video. But traditionalists want less intervention with more horrendous errors like that.
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Still a winnable game, we need to win it with our defence.
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+xStill a winnable game, we need to win it with our defence. #GoDogs Unfortunately the NRL will instruct the Refs to get Souths back into the match anyway possible .. He will be cautioned for sending the Souths player into the sin bin...
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+xStill a winnable game, we need to win it with our defence. #GoDogs We've lost the "kicking out of danger" from Lewis. Last time we had a similar situation (I think Raiders game) and Foran and other half couldbt get us out of trouble. We are making better metres running the ball out but the loss of Lewis' kicking game is huge. I really think we need to get to 32 points and then hope we defend well. Hope they can do it for Jackson in his 200th.
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+x+xSix again six again, penalty, and give a try without going upstairs and its a no try. I've always said EVERY single try should be checked by video. But traditionalists want less intervention with more horrendous errors like that. Should have checked becuase it was close to the sideline but the current score is a fair reflection. We need to defend better... I'm not a big fan of Lafai's defence. I hope Wakeham and Averillo try to play some footy that is our best chance we need one more try and one good try save.
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+x+xSix again six again, penalty, and give a try without going upstairs and its a no try. I've always said EVERY single try should be checked by video. But traditionalists want less intervention with more horrendous errors like that. Yeah but they get them wrong when they go up there anyway... The Souths no-try was not a Penalty...
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+x+xStill a winnable game, we need to win it with our defence. #GoDogs We've lost the "kicking out of danger" from Lewis. Last time we had a similar situation (I think Raiders game) and Foran and other half couldbt get us out of trouble. We are making better metres running the ball out but the loss of Lewis' kicking game is huge. I really think we need to get to 32 points and then hope we defend well. Hope they can do it for Jackson in his 200th. Wakeham and Averillo don't have lomg kicks, they do have more footy.
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+xStill a winnable game, we need to win it with our defence. #GoDogs I hope the last 10 minutes weren't indicative of our upcoming second half defence
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